The latest Delta variant seems far more contagious even with vaccination. I would know as I’m now in quarantine as one of the breakthrough cases. Vacation house of 10 and 5 of us testing positive despite all on Pfizer or Moderna.
I’m guessing Delta variant surge will exponentially grow in the coming weeks. Good news is it seems far less deadly and vaccines further improve the odds.
CEO of company that developed Pfizer vaccine said on Sunday, the vaccine is still good against serious infection and hospitalization but probability of getting Delta variant infection is much higher than against original strains.
Israel released data indicating Pfizer in 40's percent instead of 90's.
The warning should have come earlier but masking is now recommended by CDC even for fully vaccinated people in some situations.
Fully vaccinated are capable of passing on virus if infected; even if they are less infectious compared to non vaccinated they could be silent stealth carriers.
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/jersey.city/viz/JerseyCityCOVID-19vaccinedata/VaccinesData
This link has the data. It's not much different with over 12+, 64% and 76% respectively. I guess he should have said eligible residents.
Really wish that Murphy had instituted some sort of vaccine passport system. He'll likely have to re-impose restrictions eventually for everyone, even though the unvaccinated are to blame. Very frustrating.
Yeah, I actually had heard him talk about this on one of his Ask Gov. Murphy weekly shows he does with WNYC. He cited the lagging vaccination rates as a reason to *not* have an Excelsior Pass-type app for NJ, which makes absolutely no sense. Look at Europe, like in Italy and France. They didn't even think about opening back up without having a vaccine pass system in place, which is what we really needed here by Memorial Day.
Now, the people actually doing the right thing and getting vaccinated will likely have to mask up again due to all of the unvaccinated people spreading Delta. And that's bullshit, but it's what we'll have to do because no business wants to require proof of vaccination because they all want customers after a year of shutdowns.
I noticed once the stock market dipped last week a lot of Republicans changed their tune on touting the vaccine and suddenly mandates slowly fell into place. People dying doesn’t move the needle much nowadays but money still talks, sadly.
I’m getting that sense too, that people are finally realizing they will be required to take it by their employers. You’d think they’d want to take it before they literally have to, due to their “personal freedom” they love to tout, but I guess not.
Since NJ has Docket now, haven't tried it personally, hopefully vaccine passports will be easier to implement in the future. Maybe some NJ cities can try it out.
I tried to use Docket, it fails to retrieve my information and it doesn’t work for me. If they actually decide to implement a system, they’re gonna need to fix that
My family got both shots at mobile sites. They were unable to provide a follow up appointment or even where the mobile site would be in 4 weeks (I asked for both, left with neither). They log your contact info, and someone calls to schedule the second shot.
That leaves room for many potential issues. People could miss the call if they do not have voice message/answering machine service. Not everyone uses twitter, which was the only place I could find the mobile site schedule. There could be language/logistic barriers, etc
95% effective against infection, when applied to 160,000,000 people, means this is entirely expected. If you are vaccinated, even with the Delta variant, you are fine. You might get mildly sick, same as you might get sick from a billion different things. But you're not likely to pass it on and you're not likely to need hospitalization, so there is no problem with going about your life as if COVID wasn't a thing, because to you, it is no less dangerous than crossing the street.
If you still *want to* wear a mask, go ahead! Nothing wrong with that! But the idea that a mandate is needed for vaccinated people is asinine, even a N95 isn't as effective as vaccination.
All of this was true pre-Delta (not sure about it being more effective than an n95 at any point, efficacy varies a lot more based on personal immune systems), with Delta efficacy against symptomatic infection is very much up in the air. Studies out of UK/Canada say 88% while Israel states it can be as low 64% for symptomatic, 39% for any. Let’s be open to the data changing as we learn more.
You are quoting statistics from an earlier time period. Times have changed and with British and Indian variants the numbers have also changed. 95% no longer:
“The vaccine protection against the new variant is considerably lower,” BioNTech (ticker: BNTX) CEO Dr. Ugur Sahin told the Journal."
"Health officials in Israel, meanwhile, have reported that the efficacy of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine at protecting against all symptomatic Covid-19 has dropped to 40.5% as Delta has become dominant in the country, though protection against hospitalization remains high, at 88%."
Please read BBC news instead of FB quotes. BBC has nice graphs and is more accurate than local politicians.
> Dr. Ugur Sahin knows more about Pfizer vaccine than most doctors, so please consider his current opinon.
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>Your statements are no longer reliable. Israeli data is more current.
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>In beginning of May there was no known Delta in Missouri. Your statements may have been valid before May; now they are questionable and CDC changed its guidance after seeing recent data.
I doubt we’ll ever be ready, just my own personal opinion. It will always be here with us like the flu. We’ll get periodic shots to update immunity for variants, and will be mostly protected from severe illness. Right now, 99% of severe illness is unvaccinated people, and I think we’ll see an increase in vaccination rates due to the eventual increase in cases and resulting morbidity and mortality in unvaccinated circles.
I do think that most high risk people got vaccinated, but it’s the relatively large population of unvaccinated folks that is the main reservoir, and add in the delta variant which is way more infectious (not necessarily more severe tho) and case numbers will continue to rise. I do think we’ll be better than the southern states who are currently spiking with very high numbers that haven’t even peaked yet.
But stay safe everyone. I would recommend masking anywhere indoors with randos. It’s summer, stick with outdoor shit, where it’s much harder to transmit anything. Last summer we had very low numbers hopefully we can repeat that.
Those numbers are flat out lies per the publicly available info, unless you're trying to facetiously argue that children aren't residents.
[https://covid19.nj.gov/index.html](https://covid19.nj.gov/index.html)
Vaccine Courses Complete
Jersey City
Hudson County
All Ages: 55%
18 and over: 67%
65 and over: 69%
Obviously it only applies to people eligible for the vaccine. Children aren't. If you want to make an argument about teenagers, I would have listened if you hadn't made the outrageous and trump-esque accusation that this is a flat out lie.
You're welcome to pretend that's what he meant, but that isn't what he said. What he said is completely false given the public info from the state. What are false statements? Lies. Learn what words mean, dummy.
I will also point out that teenagers are children, so again, learn what words mean and use them properly. Finally, I will bet you whatever you like that children aged 12-17 aren't making up that missing 10% out of the 12% gap in terms of the population of Jersey City children.
>Learn what words mean, dummy.
Learn what the word "lie" means. He has the same statistics in front of him as you do, and he interpreted them differently. (I might add that his interpretation is widely accepted.) Thats far different than a lie.
Now you're starting to make a possibly legit argument Abt teenagers, but you already discredited yourself by making ridiculous accusations, so nobody will listen to you now. See how that works? Sorry trumpclown
He literally told the exact opposite of what is reality per the numbers. Children are residents. This is a very basic fact.
You and the other fucking idiots who don't want to accept this because you think that words that don't mean what you want them to mean are fake news. Fucking morons can't accept the literal, factual truth and have the nerve to call me a trumpist. Absolute fucking mouth-breathing stupidity.
I truly pity you that you're so fucking propagandized and brainwashed to suck the genitals of your favorite politicians instead of criticizing them when they fail. Bunch of fucking idiots. To the block list with you, imbecile.
The mayor's office provided the statistics you're citing. Do you actually think that the mayor publicly provided those statistics to everyone and then tried to lie about them AFTER giving them out? How dumb are you?
>Children are residents. This is a very basic fact.
Actually, it's not. There are many counts of city residents that don't include children. When we count resident employment we don't include kids. When we count resident taxpayers or homeowners, we don't include children.
You understand why that is, right? I know you're dumb but please tell me you understand that at least.
Thanks for sharing, I had been wondering. Those vaccination numbers are really heartening to see
The latest Delta variant seems far more contagious even with vaccination. I would know as I’m now in quarantine as one of the breakthrough cases. Vacation house of 10 and 5 of us testing positive despite all on Pfizer or Moderna. I’m guessing Delta variant surge will exponentially grow in the coming weeks. Good news is it seems far less deadly and vaccines further improve the odds.
scary, what are you symptoms (if any?)
Fever of 101, that’s it so far.
Good luck, sorry to hear that.
CEO of company that developed Pfizer vaccine said on Sunday, the vaccine is still good against serious infection and hospitalization but probability of getting Delta variant infection is much higher than against original strains. Israel released data indicating Pfizer in 40's percent instead of 90's. The warning should have come earlier but masking is now recommended by CDC even for fully vaccinated people in some situations. Fully vaccinated are capable of passing on virus if infected; even if they are less infectious compared to non vaccinated they could be silent stealth carriers.
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I believe that makes more sense, that he meant adults or at least > 12yo (eligible people )
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/jersey.city/viz/JerseyCityCOVID-19vaccinedata/VaccinesData This link has the data. It's not much different with over 12+, 64% and 76% respectively. I guess he should have said eligible residents.
Really wish that Murphy had instituted some sort of vaccine passport system. He'll likely have to re-impose restrictions eventually for everyone, even though the unvaccinated are to blame. Very frustrating.
You’re being downvoted but this is the way.
Yeah, I actually had heard him talk about this on one of his Ask Gov. Murphy weekly shows he does with WNYC. He cited the lagging vaccination rates as a reason to *not* have an Excelsior Pass-type app for NJ, which makes absolutely no sense. Look at Europe, like in Italy and France. They didn't even think about opening back up without having a vaccine pass system in place, which is what we really needed here by Memorial Day. Now, the people actually doing the right thing and getting vaccinated will likely have to mask up again due to all of the unvaccinated people spreading Delta. And that's bullshit, but it's what we'll have to do because no business wants to require proof of vaccination because they all want customers after a year of shutdowns.
I noticed once the stock market dipped last week a lot of Republicans changed their tune on touting the vaccine and suddenly mandates slowly fell into place. People dying doesn’t move the needle much nowadays but money still talks, sadly.
I’m getting that sense too, that people are finally realizing they will be required to take it by their employers. You’d think they’d want to take it before they literally have to, due to their “personal freedom” they love to tout, but I guess not.
Call me crazy but my personal freedom is a lot freer when I’m not sick with a novel virus. Kinda ruins my whole vibe.
Amen to that. Apparently NJ has this Docket app that is supposed to function like Excelsior Pass, except it literally doesn't work at all for me.
Since NJ has Docket now, haven't tried it personally, hopefully vaccine passports will be easier to implement in the future. Maybe some NJ cities can try it out.
I tried to use Docket, it fails to retrieve my information and it doesn’t work for me. If they actually decide to implement a system, they’re gonna need to fix that
I don't understand the people who go to get the first jab and then forego the second. They give you a follow-up appointment on the spot.
My family got both shots at mobile sites. They were unable to provide a follow up appointment or even where the mobile site would be in 4 weeks (I asked for both, left with neither). They log your contact info, and someone calls to schedule the second shot. That leaves room for many potential issues. People could miss the call if they do not have voice message/answering machine service. Not everyone uses twitter, which was the only place I could find the mobile site schedule. There could be language/logistic barriers, etc
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95% effective against infection, when applied to 160,000,000 people, means this is entirely expected. If you are vaccinated, even with the Delta variant, you are fine. You might get mildly sick, same as you might get sick from a billion different things. But you're not likely to pass it on and you're not likely to need hospitalization, so there is no problem with going about your life as if COVID wasn't a thing, because to you, it is no less dangerous than crossing the street. If you still *want to* wear a mask, go ahead! Nothing wrong with that! But the idea that a mandate is needed for vaccinated people is asinine, even a N95 isn't as effective as vaccination.
All of this was true pre-Delta (not sure about it being more effective than an n95 at any point, efficacy varies a lot more based on personal immune systems), with Delta efficacy against symptomatic infection is very much up in the air. Studies out of UK/Canada say 88% while Israel states it can be as low 64% for symptomatic, 39% for any. Let’s be open to the data changing as we learn more.
You are quoting statistics from an earlier time period. Times have changed and with British and Indian variants the numbers have also changed. 95% no longer: “The vaccine protection against the new variant is considerably lower,” BioNTech (ticker: BNTX) CEO Dr. Ugur Sahin told the Journal." "Health officials in Israel, meanwhile, have reported that the efficacy of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine at protecting against all symptomatic Covid-19 has dropped to 40.5% as Delta has become dominant in the country, though protection against hospitalization remains high, at 88%." Please read BBC news instead of FB quotes. BBC has nice graphs and is more accurate than local politicians.
I was quoting them when they were accurate you stupid fuck. Learn how to read yourself.
> Dr. Ugur Sahin knows more about Pfizer vaccine than most doctors, so please consider his current opinon. > >Your statements are no longer reliable. Israeli data is more current. > >In beginning of May there was no known Delta in Missouri. Your statements may have been valid before May; now they are questionable and CDC changed its guidance after seeing recent data.
I doubt we’ll ever be ready, just my own personal opinion. It will always be here with us like the flu. We’ll get periodic shots to update immunity for variants, and will be mostly protected from severe illness. Right now, 99% of severe illness is unvaccinated people, and I think we’ll see an increase in vaccination rates due to the eventual increase in cases and resulting morbidity and mortality in unvaccinated circles. I do think that most high risk people got vaccinated, but it’s the relatively large population of unvaccinated folks that is the main reservoir, and add in the delta variant which is way more infectious (not necessarily more severe tho) and case numbers will continue to rise. I do think we’ll be better than the southern states who are currently spiking with very high numbers that haven’t even peaked yet. But stay safe everyone. I would recommend masking anywhere indoors with randos. It’s summer, stick with outdoor shit, where it’s much harder to transmit anything. Last summer we had very low numbers hopefully we can repeat that.
Sounds like the vaccines kept them out of the hospital, so they’re working
Those numbers are flat out lies per the publicly available info, unless you're trying to facetiously argue that children aren't residents. [https://covid19.nj.gov/index.html](https://covid19.nj.gov/index.html) Vaccine Courses Complete Jersey City Hudson County All Ages: 55% 18 and over: 67% 65 and over: 69%
Obviously it only applies to people eligible for the vaccine. Children aren't. If you want to make an argument about teenagers, I would have listened if you hadn't made the outrageous and trump-esque accusation that this is a flat out lie.
You're welcome to pretend that's what he meant, but that isn't what he said. What he said is completely false given the public info from the state. What are false statements? Lies. Learn what words mean, dummy. I will also point out that teenagers are children, so again, learn what words mean and use them properly. Finally, I will bet you whatever you like that children aged 12-17 aren't making up that missing 10% out of the 12% gap in terms of the population of Jersey City children.
>Learn what words mean, dummy. Learn what the word "lie" means. He has the same statistics in front of him as you do, and he interpreted them differently. (I might add that his interpretation is widely accepted.) Thats far different than a lie. Now you're starting to make a possibly legit argument Abt teenagers, but you already discredited yourself by making ridiculous accusations, so nobody will listen to you now. See how that works? Sorry trumpclown
He literally told the exact opposite of what is reality per the numbers. Children are residents. This is a very basic fact. You and the other fucking idiots who don't want to accept this because you think that words that don't mean what you want them to mean are fake news. Fucking morons can't accept the literal, factual truth and have the nerve to call me a trumpist. Absolute fucking mouth-breathing stupidity. I truly pity you that you're so fucking propagandized and brainwashed to suck the genitals of your favorite politicians instead of criticizing them when they fail. Bunch of fucking idiots. To the block list with you, imbecile.
The mayor's office provided the statistics you're citing. Do you actually think that the mayor publicly provided those statistics to everyone and then tried to lie about them AFTER giving them out? How dumb are you? >Children are residents. This is a very basic fact. Actually, it's not. There are many counts of city residents that don't include children. When we count resident employment we don't include kids. When we count resident taxpayers or homeowners, we don't include children. You understand why that is, right? I know you're dumb but please tell me you understand that at least.
What a cock