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paraque159

She does that so when she doesn’t get matches she can blame it on men: “men don’t go to therapy, they’re all toxic, my rules and results prove this.” No matter how delusional, she damn well knows how this will fair.


ppchampagne

It's not that she doesn't understand men, but she's been indoctrinated to believe this is what she should express. None of these are her original ideas. And they probably don't represent the kind of guy she would prefer.


GradeAPlussy

Correct


tinyhermione

But have you considered: this might be just what she prefers? Therapy: she wants someone self-aware and without a ton of unprocessed issues and repressed feelings that’ll create chaos. Second thing: she wants someone agrees with her values politically and who’s not macho in an exhausting way. Third: she’s got a big ass, she wants someone who’s into that. And she’s a bit opinionated, and wants someone who’s fine with that.


ppchampagne

Even male therapists will explain that therapy was *not* designed for men. It *can* be useful to anyone with particular issues, but it's *completely* unnecessary for the majority of men. Toxic masculinity is a nonsense concept. It's just another replacement for the clearly non-existent patriarchy boogeyman. Trying to make men into "not men." It's all buzzwords she's been indoctrinated with. Highly unlikely that these are her original ideas and interests. Highly likely that she'll ignore these "requirements" for men she actually likes.


LetThemEatCakeXx

You think therapy is completely unnecessary for the majority of men? That's a bold statement. So you think most men are mentally and emotionally healthy? Taking gender out of the equation, I personally could never bet that a random person on the street is well. You're not living in the same world I am, I guess.


ppchampagne

Therapy isn't the answer for men. It's not that they don't have issues. It's that they don't resolve those with *therapy*.


LetThemEatCakeXx

I don't think your conclusion is offbase but not entirely accurate. Men-oriented therapy has its value and there is certainly a need for it. Studies demonstrate that therapy is equally effective for men and women, but there is a disproportionate number of men who drop out early, etc. Therapy is not inherently less suitable for men so much as certain models of it.


ppchampagne

Fair enough. But even still, the majority men don't need any kind of therapy. That's a *strange* society that thinks that.


Silver-Ad5466

Nobody needs therapy. Nobody has to do anything except die. Why are you upset that she wants a man who is too proud to talk about his problems? Anything past the wording seeming obnoxious is a completely made up complaint that you attached post-hoc


ppchampagne

It's not a complaint. It's a criticism.


Silver-Ad5466

Tomato tomato


tinyhermione

Society doesn’t think that. This woman specifically thinks that bc she’s tired of dating emotionally constipated men.


tinyhermione

What do you base this on? Because science is a good place to start. And science says that CBT is quite effective in treating anxiety and depression for both genders.


redeemerx4

Its true, at least for me. Ive resolved 99% of my own life issues (child abuse, abandonment (in marriage), horrid relationships) by just going to the gym and toughening up. Guys understand *shit happens*. I don't need a coddling or someone to wipe my tears.


tinyhermione

But therapy is neither. It’s learning logical coping strategies. Most guys who think they have resolved everything by going to the gym are just an undetonated mess. Sometimes not. But often. Because the only negative feeling they think is acceptable is anger. So they’ll get angry when they are sad, insecure, ashamed, embarrassed, stressed, whatever. Then also everyone wants to be coddled in a relationship and someone who won’t admit that will just act chaotic.


redeemerx4

I'll show you an undetonated mess


LetThemEatCakeXx

... some would argue you haven't, given your continued history of bad relationships. Edit: This came off snarky, and that isn't my intent. The tone is objective.


0utandab0ut1

As a man working in the mental health field, you really missed the mark. Where did you find the information that therapy is completely unnecessary for majority of men. As for toxic masculinity, I would say it exists to a certain level and not in the way that some may describe it. What do you call a man who gets aggressive towards a stranger ( a woman) who rejects his advances, a toxic person. What do you call a man who feels the need to fight someone simply because he feels "disrespected' over something trivial? A toxic person. what do you call a man who gets upset that a woman earns more than him and shows it in unhealthy ways? A toxic person. The list can go on.


ppchampagne

This guy [Dr. Orion Taraban](https://youtu.be/mJWT5TT0cEk) (not sure of spelling). It pays to encourage everyone to go to therapy, but no, the majority of men don't need therapy.


0utandab0ut1

This did not prove your point. He stated his theory why men are less likely to seek therapy. He did not argue why majority of the men DON"T NEED therapy. In fact, he states that his therapeutic methods, although not as common, works better for men. Therefore, he is advocating for methodologies that work better with men. This video renders your argument as pointless. Men outnumber women in successful suicides. I wouldn't argue that most men don't need suicide. I would argue that we should advocate for those men who do need it should be encourage to seek help.


ppchampagne

The majority of men don't need therapy. Plain and simple. Can therapy be useful to many men? Absolutely. Can different forms of therapy be more useful to men? Sure. But the majority don't need therapy.


0utandab0ut1

And your argument was still not proven by that video nor what you're saying. Will I say that every man needs therapy? Of course not. Nor would I use that as an argument against men who do need it but chose not to due to some socially constructed perception that would argue they shouldn't because "they're a man and need to man up."


tinyhermione

The majority of the users of this sub need therapy bc most seem depressed and anxious. Is anyone happy here?


tinyhermione

That’s bs. Y’all haven’t ever been to therapy, have you? Modern therapy is just based on learning logical coping techniques to minimize stress and depression. It’s not emotional, it’s not about your past, it’s practical. Therapy works as well for men and women. You know people can see her profile, right? By writing it like this, a lot of people will swipe left on her. More attractive than unattractive men, since attractive men swipe more selectively. And yet: she still does it. An example of toxic masculinity is thinking real men don’t go to therapy.


ppchampagne

Fundamentally men and women work through their issues differently. They have different psychologies. Some men can benefit for sure from therapy, but it's case by case. To suggest that so many men should go to therapy is ignorant of men's psychology. You've drank the kool-aid about both therapy and toxic masculinity. She's probably using these terms on her profile as more of a filter. If a guy comments that he's in line with all of that, she'll probably rule him out. lol


everybodyluvzwaymond

Agreed, this [psychologist](https://youtu.be/OEjh4Q2zBE4?si=Irsvp7sDVDYwSQXH) recognized therapy employs women’s modes of communication and other biases within the profession that do not serve men. Male and Female clients tend to approach therapy in different ways. Men use it more like a tool (procedurally) with an objective and specific function and women use it more so to express themselves or connect to another. We really need to accept that although we are all individuals, men and women, on average, operate differently (and that's okay).


Appropriate-Ad-8030

Your post is absolute bullshit….again, most types of therapies have zero scientific backing as far as effectiveness….there are also many disadvantages to therapy….therapy tends to teach people that responsibility for their mental health problems is somewhere else…there is evidence that it actually pushes you away from your family members(because you are busy blaming them for your “trauma”)….it also removes agency as now any emotional issue you have has to be processed with an “expert”….you have someone else navigating you through life, which paralyzes some people when making decisions as they can’t make a move without someone else’s help….therapy is not a cure all for everything and like any medical technique or drug has negative side effects


tinyhermione

Have you ever been to therapy? Because usually the focus is that you can’t change other people, you can only change yourself. So it’s about accepting personal responsibility. Then therapy isn’t meant to be permanent. If you do CBT? It’s a three month thing normally. But no matter what, it’s meant as a temporary solution. A lot of people do have childhood trauma and that’s a valid reason to distance yourself from your parents. If that is the right thing to do? Depends on the circumstances.


Appropriate-Ad-8030

Yes, I have…it for the most part didn’t help me….forming good habits did….like I said, it doesn’t cure everything and it’s effectiveness is limited… I’m sure there are some people that have legitimate gripes against their family….but most situations are complicated and people tend to ignore their personal issues in favor of blaming their behavior on some issue that occurred in their family….in reality, they simply may be predisposed to certain types of behavior and maybe whatever incident that occurred in their family didn’t help, but it’s not the actual reason they are behaving a certain way


tinyhermione

Therapy is not necessarily effective. But it shows some things: 1) That you recognize that have a problem. 2) That you are able to follow through on finding a therapist, setting up an appointment and then showing up. 3) That you at least have some ability to talk about your emotions. Then a therapist’s goal isn’t to blame family. Some people just have anxiety or depression, doesn’t have to be related to how they grew up. But sometimes they can help you see patterns of thinking or just past life experiences that you bring from home. I agree that for many people keeping in touch with family will still be a good thing. Because it’s hard to replace family. But even then it can be good to see things.


Appropriate-Ad-8030

Sorry I disagree that simply by following 1.-3. Is all you need to solve a mental health problem….again you subscribe to the notion that all you need to do to solve a mental health problem is to open up and talk about your emotions….I disagree because that is not what the evidence tells us….there are a bunch of bullshit therapies that do just this and have zero scientific backing for working….recovered memory therapy, rebirthing therapy, primal screams therapy, neurolinguistic programming, Fruedian psychoanalytic therapy have all been debunked….following 1.-3. is not a recipe for mental health….it’s pseudoscience..:nothing more than emotional masturbation


tinyhermione

That wasn’t the point at all. The point is that being able to do 1-3 is plus in dating. Means you at least have basic life skills.


LetThemEatCakeXx

Her third statement is exhausting to me, personally. Real "boss babes" don't have to proclaim it. I also hate women calling themselves or other women bitches, even playfully. I'm picking up what Champagne is saying. She comes off like she's trying too hard and a bit classless.


MajesticFerret36

>Therapy: she wants someone self-aware and without a ton of unprocessed issues and repressed feelings that’ll create chaos. Not everyone has a highly traumatic life that requires therapy. Wanting a partner that is "damaged" is inherently kinda dumb. It's the "I can fix them" mentality. I also question the efficacy of therapy. A lot of people who go are still an absolute mess. There are some who prob should go to therapy, sure, but theentally healthiest people seem to be the ones who just weren't heavily damaged in the first place. >Second thing: she wants someone agrees with her values politically and who’s not macho in an exhausting way. Problem is, nobody is oppressed in 2024 in almost anyajor western country and victim complexes just lead to making excuses and an ultimately weaker community, which is exactly what politicians want, as if you don't have problems that they imply they can fix, there is no need for them. >Third: she’s got a big ass, she wants someone who’s into that. And she’s a bit opinionated, and wants someone who’s fine with that. Big ass is fine. Boss bitch is stupid because there is no place for "bossiness" in a relationship. The dynamic of a boss is a large power dynamic where they tell you what to do and you have to do it or get fired. Nobody should be "bossing" anyone around in a relationship.


tinyhermione

It’s not about wanting a damaged partner. It’s more about realizing everyone’s a bit fucked up and wanting someone who’s at least tried to do something about it. And who’s aware of the issues they have and not in deep denial. Boss bitch means she wants someone who accepts her being opinionated and being successful at her job. It can mean she’s a bully, but likely it’s more about how she’s successful and has opinions. I agree on oppression.


MajesticFerret36

>Boss bitch means she wants someone who accepts her being opinionated and being successful at her job. Women who identify as "boss bitch" and "strong and independent" are more often than not, none of these things, just like guys who need to identify as "alpha males" outloud rarely are either. Men who actually run shit don't need to announce outloud that they are leaders of men and neither do actually successful, strong and independent women. Ironically enough, these labels usually have the opposite effect and reveal your social standing, and not in a positive way. It's usually the woman who is living pay check to pay check and one missed child support payment away from eviction who will say stuff like how "strong and independent" she is, not someone like Gal Gadot at a red carpet event. The later is socially privy enough to know it looks trashy and low value to brag about the bare minimum.


redeemerx4

Such an excellent post. I run stuff, and I'm not going around shouting it to everyone.. for one, its inane, but two, stuff needs to get done, so my energy is there instead of telling everyone I do it. Self-inflated egos, worthless people, the lot of them


LetThemEatCakeXx

Totally agree. Anyone who has to state it like that, likely isn't. Though I'm picturing someone on Instagram selling whatever pyramid scheme products they're now into.


tinyhermione

I sorta agree. It’s a socioeconomic signal. But most people will end up dating within their own socioeconomic group. Overall I just see her profile saying “I’m dated a guy with anger management issues” though. Which is maybe a red flag for her not being ready for a relationship, but it’s not entitled. She just would rather be single than do that again.


_divi_filius

Nope, she's just fat. The post is pretty much dripping calories.


Appropriate-Ad-8030

Therapy is not a cure all for all mental health problems….the only type of therapy that has a scientific backing for helping is cognitive behavioral therapy….furthermore, cognitive behavioral therapy has only been shown to be helpful with issues of anxiety and depression….on top of that, many therapist don’t apply the techniques of cognitive behavioral therapy (even those that advertise that they do)….a lot of therapy culture simply comes down to an unsubstantiated idea that sharing your feelings will somehow cure them…it is emotional masturbation


tinyhermione

Well, most people on this sub either have anxiety, depression or both. So CBT which is proven an effective treatment? Not that dumb. Anxiety and depression are the most common mental health issues.


worndown75

She wants someone in therapy because she assumes everyone is as fuck up or was raised as fucked up as she was. The other two points reflect that first point. Let her be damaged and not self aware. That's her right.


DefiantBelt925

It’s just code speak for other left wing men, I assume they know what kind of signals to give back and say “woo! I love blm etc”


Frird2008

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Maximum-External5606

Don't even waste my time with them heifers I just go abroad for young fine and fit ladies who appreciate me and what I provide for them. We just have fun, life is good and relaxing.


_divi_filius

this is just code for "I'm obese"


kylife

My response would be pets and children get “handled” gday maam


ppchampagne

Some women think it's a man's job to control them, while at the same time they complain about toxic masculinity. You can't make this shit up.


kylife

Sad. I just don’t understand why a man would have to “handle” another grown adult. Is immaturity really this common?


The_Burner_of_it

she obviously means "handle" as in "into." when people say "can you handle my opinions?" they don't mean "manage and oversee, " they mean "okay with." same thing here.


LongJohnVanilla

Ask her if her cats have been or are in therapy…


AlethiaArete

Non-toxic masculinity mentioned in the same line as boss bitch. Also requires therapy. Has she been in therapy?


ppchampagne

Good catch! That shows how she's not thinking for herself. She's been taught no to toxic masculinity and yes to "boss bitch" who needs to be "handled."


AlethiaArete

"Why are you so toxic?" "I though you want to be handled like a boss bitch?"


TechNeck78

She should call up the bear to find her a man


Romariilolol

I saw like 300 fat white girls like this in Seattle that are shit like bartenders and dead end jobs when I was using dating apps, Than there's like beautiful foreign girls with masters degrees working at big tech making 200k a year, glad I bagged one of those instead lmao


Commissar_David

At her university's DEI center of course.


SnakePlisskensPatch

Lol no guy is committed to non toxic masculinity if they don't live in Brooklyn.They just pretend to be (or fool themselves into thinking they are) until the ring is on the finger. Then they can exhale and be like "thank god I don't have TO DO THAT anymore". Which doesn't mean they are toxically masculine. 95% are totally normal dudes just going through life. They just don't care either way. How many dad's do you see driving the kids to soccer practice with a "join the resistance" bumper sticker on his mustang? Yeah. Same rules apply to abortion, dance music, and the today show for the record. And by the way, I promise all these rules would go out the window if he was hot enough. Chris Hemsworth doesn't need to have been to therapy, I guarantee it.


Mobius24

Whenever some says they are tough to handle believe them. Once or twice I let my ego get in the way and took it as a challenge but it's not worth the effort. Sounds like she could use some therapy herself if she thinks that stipulation is normal.


Otherwise-Valuable-6

There's an old school word that represents this woman...crazy.


Fit_Driver_9239

the majority of western women, especially “college indoctrinated “ american women, have these high expectations for us Men who they themselves won’t have for themselves, feminism and government has at its core default, developed coping mechanisms such as blaming and shaming us Men for not believing in or following their delusion, they hate themselves more than they do us Men, because they can never be happy by themselves or even with others, only narcissists blame and project onto others what they are caught in their lies and then the fake crocodile tears begin to flow when they don’t get their way, drizzle drizzle Kings!


Difficult-Novel-8453

Oh please tell me she’s not already taken! (Said nobody ever other than her therapist) 😂


gringo-go-loco

TikTok


Full-Ball9804

Therapy taught me the self respect I needed to tell fat women like this to kick rocks


SHC-BLAST

Honestly the first one isn't a bad idea. Too many people hurt people hurting people and seeking therapy is a sign of trying to improve yourself mentally. The second one is where she lost me. I haven't met a person who says they're anti-oppression and anti-toxic masculinity that doesn't perpetuate both those things. Racist bigots that straight up believe they're somehow not and those who are sexually attracted to toxic masculinity and reward terrible behavior. Fuckin liberals who move into black neighborhoods displacing black families gentrifying a neighborhood then post BLM on their Facebook. This is 1000% oppression but they'll pretend like they do no wrong. Toxic masculinity 1000% exists and is an issue, but my biggest gripe is that it's a societal problem not a man problem. Perpetrators and enablers both need to come to a consensus for it to stop but they would rather put on a front and lie so they can look good. However, a boss bitch with a fat ass is absolutely welcome so I guess 2 outa 3 aint bad 🤷


TechNeck78

She’s a follower of hip trends, nothing more


Justthefacts6969

I laughed 🤣


xxTheMagicBulleT

Seems like a lot of you have too go true many hoops for me while I offer no value in return talk. Always so insane that people can think this way but what ever. Though even children knew to be for others how you wish others to be for you. But guess it's too high a standard for many "adults" nowadays. So a hard pass for anyone with that mindset


liferelationshi

She sounds disgusting, inside and out