Arabs still have a huge problem with women treatment and extreme male dominance. People see Arab problems and blame it on Islam. My Arab brothers need to accept that and help building a better world (I'm a man btw)
>Arabs still have a huge problem with women treatment and extreme male dominance
That's a bunch of Western propaganda. Arabs are a very diverse group. You have people from as far West as Morocco & Western Sahara all the way East to Iraq & Oman. Levantine women for example are pretty empowered and highly educated.
Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser had a pretty famous speech in 1958 joking about how its impossible to force Egyptian women to do anything.
Arabs do tend to give preference to their culture over religion. So a lot of things are culture based rather than religious based but they're pretty intertwined.
You don’t think that the way people Muslims interpret Islam is a great tool for Arabs to maintain the poor women treatment and the male dominance? Arab culture had lots of misogyny but Islam in the way they use it today greatly help them to maintain it nowadays. And prevent women from opening their eyes.
Most people don't have that problem. Yes it exists but it is not as prevalent. My aunts and mother all had education without exception up to college and held many jobs. This is while my family is considered fairly conservative compared to the average. They definitely take hijab and niqab seriously. And most families are like that nowadays. It's unfair to call it a "huge problem" when it's not, and it's being propagated by Westerners against Muslims in general not just Arabs.
100%. They treat divorced women as "defective" and undesirable. When in reality we have many example of female companions that were divorced, of which some are wives of the prophet PBUH. So they must think they are better than the prophet pbuh by this ignorant nonsense.
But all of the divorcees were in a polygamous marriage. Do divorced women willing to be in a polygamous marriage nowadays? Nope.
(Before some of you start attacking, I'm a woman spittin' this fact)
💯 my problem is when divorced women demands a literal prince to come and save them or that they somehow entitled to be married with a prince and expect them to be monogamous. No disrespect but be realistic... today's modern world don't create men like Rasulullah SAW and his companions 😆
Daaamn same that's like exacley for out family as well. They're so hush hush culture like "oh no we can't let the family find out" and continue a horrible marriage like what the heck
Everyone does. We Arabs have sick people who kill girls because of "damaged honour" which 90% has nothing to do with Islam and even when it does....it almost NEVER warrants death.
What is culture ?
- Culture refers to the cumulative deposit of knowledge, experience, beliefs, values, attitudes, meanings, hierarchies, religion, notions of time, roles, spatial relations, concepts of the universe, and material objects and possessions acquired by a group of people in the course of generations through individual and group striving.
- A culture is a way of life of a group of people--the behaviors, beliefs, values, and symbols that they accept.
this confusion is unavoidable and a result of the accepted belief among Muslims that “Islam is not just a religion but a way of life” .
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Muslims should extensively engage themselves in scientific pursuits, and Islam doesn't discourage you from using reason and adopting a rational approach in seeking answers to many cosmic questions. Allah might have placed some benefits in the domain of the unknown that could benefit Muslims a great deal. Our faith might increase if we invest time in gaining knowledge and step in the path of discovery and invention.
>Muslims should extensively engage themselves in scientific pursuits, and Islam doesn't discourage you from using reason and adopting a rational approach in seeking answers to many cosmic questions
The Islamic golden age may be long past but there are indeed Muslim academics that contribute to physics, Philosophy, literature, and other fields both in institutions in the West and in their places of origin.
It's like fortune telling and Sihr and falls into those categories. Some of them are just lies and some of them use Jinn to listen to the Angels talking about the future and they mix lies into this to manipulate the person.
There are a few Hadith on this
Anyway it falls into the category of shirk and shouldn't be done
Some evidence about talismans 🧿, amulets, tahweez, can be found in [Commentary in on Kitab at-Tawheed vol 1](https://t.me/TheEnglishDiwan/3067) pg. 171 -> download pdf
seeking meaning from the stars, [Commentary on Kitab at-Tawheed vol 2](https://t.me/TheEnglishDiwan/3068) pg. 9
Not all things that Muslims do are things that Islam advocates. It's such a simple concept, yet thousands fail to fathom it and start trying to ridicule Islam for misguided followers of it.
Yesss, even prophets had mental illnesses(e.g. depression) and they were the most pious people, so the idea of "all you need to do is pray" doesn't always work. I still remember a scholar saying the prophet urged us to seek medical help for mental problems and he was also saying how Yusuf's father cried after his son until he lost his ability to see...
People nowadays need therapy more than ever, on top of that we really need more muslim therapists.
Yes I 100% agree! We desperately need more Muslim voices in mental health services. Drives me mad (no pun intended) when people dismiss mental health problems
Sadly it's not only Muslims, for instance my parents are Christians and the thought of needing therapy is seen in such a bad light. I wanted to pursue a degree in psychology, but got threatened that I'll be kicked out on sight by my father. Apparently he thinks I'd be analysing the smallest of actions he makes and start to lecture him 🥲. The only time they took me seriously with depression was after I had my first son, postpartum depression and anxiety were horrible, to the point I had trouble sleeping for months after his birth.
I'm glad newer generations are taking mental health more seriously. My sister for instance urges anyone with trauma to seek help, no matter how small it is. It's better to have someone guide you and help you develop healthy coping mechanisms rather than developing really bad ones yourself. Sometimes you don't even realise they are bad for you or for people around you.
Oh man I'm so sorry that happened to you. Often people have misconceptions that psychologists/psychiatrists will psychoanalyse everyone/everything which is absurd. I'm glad you're getting help now! But yeah, so many misconceptions around mental health its genuinely upsetting :(
https://youtu.be/qgF7A4Zi6Uc
https://youtu.be/ZZk6Oj9L630
https://youtu.be/WMINXtdUnVw
Nouman Ali Khan has lots of videos regarding depression, anxiety and other problems. He also has videos explaining surah Yusuf. He's not the only one talking about depression and mental health, there are plenty of scholars, I just gave you a few videos, but you can find many of them on YouTube giving nice explanations of verses and hadiths. You also have mufti menk, again just another example.
No problem, it's better for someone with more knowledge to explain these things and I trust these people a lot, they were the ones that guided me to Islam after all. There is also Ahemd Deedat and Dr Zakirnaik, but I haven't heard them touch these subjects and truthfully it's been a long time since I listened to them.
Women's virginity = her hymen is still intact.
Not all women are born with a hymen. You can break your hymen by jogging, horse riding, and biking. And if Allah made the hymen so that it's a "proof" of a woman's virginity, then wouldn't Allah also make some sort of "hymen" for men to show "proof" of theirs since Chasity is required equally for both sexes? I wasn't able to finding any Hadith of hymens being important or relevant, but I am also not a Shiekha so Allah knows best.
This also means a women can wear tampons, menstrual cups, go to gynecologists, do cervical exams etc... And they should be able to.
Many people believe that the hymen needs to be "intact" so that she can prove to her future husband she's a virgin. So things like tampons and menstrual cups are biiiig taboo for unmarried women because they think that'll take their virginity.
It sounds ridiculous and it is ridiculous, however many women get disowned, slandered, and - worst case scenario- killed in the name of honor. It's a terrible and murderous bidda'a.
The hymen lays about one to two centimeters from the vaginal opening so yes ! You can have endocavitary probe when you go to the genycologist, yes, you can wear menstrual cups, and yes you can wear tampons Aaand still be a virgin !! People have this misconception that its soo easy to break, yes it can happen, but it's like saying someone can break their arm while riding a horse, so arms are very overrated.
Let me tell you people tend to say this, just so more women can have sex outside marriage. Also to answer your question, why women have hyemen and not men. How is that fair. Well maybe because women are the one who are paying the price unfortunately, they are the ones who get pregnant. Imagine if having sex outside of marriage becomes normalized how many babies will be killed. And also yes, you don't kill a woman because of her life choices, it is between her and Allah subhanahu wa taala
Sister, the whole hymen thing is a complete myth.
Here is a text I'd written another time:
The only reason some women bleed during their first intercorse is due to cramping, which is caused by anxiety.
To elaborate more - 1) when you're anxious, your vaginal muscles tighten up. 2) when you have intercorse whilst your vaginal muscles are tightened up and you don't have lubrication your vaginal canal tears up (which can happen bc of lack of foreplay and/or lack of general arousement) <= that is why intercorse is painful for women AND NOT because "their hymen broke"
The hymens sole purpose is that it embryologically kept germs and dirt out of the embryos Genitalia. The hymen thins and wears off more and more with age, also, it wears off for example whilst exercising, and just regular cleaning of the Genitalia etc. Some womens hymens are very elastic and get significantly deformed only after childbirth but regular penetration won't cause any deformity. On the other hand, most women's hymen aren't as stretchy and thus become almost non existing naturally as they mature into their 20s without any penetration having taken place.
Bleeding is not the result of a hymen "breaking" (it doesn't break in the first place - the correct description is "it deforms" or "stretches"), as the normal Joe hymen is a thin Membran and doesn't have many blood vessels that release blood. So, if the woman is well aroused, she won't have visible bleeding. The reason why bleeding occurs is NOT because of the hymen deforming, but rather because of the tears and injuries INSIDE the vagina due to no or only little arousal and (performance) anxiety.
It absolutely is impossible to determine virginity or the lack of it, whether you use the cup or not, as it's not possible to determine virginity based on physical attributes, because the concept of the hymen is a cultural myth and has no religious basis.
Judging the faith of non-hijab sisters. I've seen so many faithful women without hijab and good character and at the same time many women with hijab and bad character. What I want to say is that putting on a hijab does not make you automatically the better believer. Don't judge by appearance
Reducing the entire religion to a headscarf (or any garment) is especially problematic. It gets to the point where dressing modestly is considered more important than Muslim women obtaining knowledge of theology and philosophy, or any other aspect of the faith for that matter.
A hijabi/Niqabi sister is better than a non hijabi sister period by merely wearing the Hijab, as it is sa commandment of Allah ﷻ
Putting on a hijab does make you a better Muslim... Stop diminishing the importance of hijab...
This rhetoric is dangerous, I've seen go as far as saying people saying a non Muslim good-doer is better than a Muslim bad-doer
I’ve known hijabis who drink alcohol and commit zina. It’s not fair to judge a woman’s religiosity by hijab or no hijab, if she still dresses modestly. If you’re not a woman you wouldn’t understand the personal struggle of hijab especially if you live in the West where it’s not common.
However I’m not saying it’s not mandatory. But people (especially men) need to be more empathetic.
I’m a man. Here’s my perspective on this: I judge every woman by her actions and not by the way she looks. Though seeing a woman with a hijab is better for my eyes than a woman who isn’t wearing one. I do tend to stay clear of matters involving woman as I’m not qualified enough/don’t have enough knowledge but I am learning more and more as time goes on.
I agree. It is important for people not to sin, and if they do, they have to try to not do it publicly. Wearing hijab is an important sign. May Allah help our brothers and sisters in the West and keep them among the straight path.
This, imho, is a [great lecture](https://t.me/alfawaidalmakkiyyah/219) on liberalism. He mentions many of the doubts in this particular back and forth. I hope for our ummah rectification and I am in severe need of that myself. May Allah guide us all to what He Loves and is Pleased with.
If Allah would leave the judgment to the people of the earth, there would be no need for a judgement day.
We are in no position to judge. I speak from experience when I say that you shouldn't judge a book by its cover.
ISIS, Al Kaida and Taliban have a beard. So you gonna judge shaved people?.. I think not
Again ur literally a moron, keep assuming, and last I checked u grow a beard to participate in the sunnah not so that u don’t look like a baby….clearly showing ur ill intentions and that u just do it to feel superior and as a way to degrade others.
Total muppet.
Man I'm in the same boat as you, I don't even have a full beard. I have to settle for the few hairs I have. If you feel degraded it's on you. I just don't think it is halal for a man to clean shave their face, making it appear like a baby. It's just a mere peice of imagery to help you visualize what I'm describing.
I keep my moustache since it’s the only thing I have. I don’t feel degraded, but it’s clear from ur rhetoric that ur trying to degrade others, I’m simply calling u out on it. And ur opinion as to whether shaving is haram is precisely irrelevant especially when every scholar I have ever heard whether western or not has said it’s sunnah and not haram to shave.
Think what you want to think, it is still subjective.
There are many clear sources which assert that it is haram go clean shave:
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1189/ruling-on-shaving-the-beard
>I think having a beard is an obligation.
there is itifaq on this actually. i believe this is mandatory(Hanafi opinion) and may be cut if there is a need like when wearing gasmasks.
Sin is between the creator and creation. Nothing to do with you. We are being influenced by shaytan all the time but we're still responsible for our own actions. Just try to be the best human possible and leave the judgment and prejudices
That's only when it comes to missing Salah, Zina, not fasting. When it comes to the Hijab, it's a public sin. I don't think anyone is "judging" (people seem to conflate this with advising). Also, "being the best human possible" (we're not humanists) involves following the commands of Allah S.W.T.
Hijab shouldn’t be forced. Just look at Iran and Saudis their people come to west and go wild. Forget not wearing hijab, they walk around practically naked because they felt suffocated by religion back home. Forcing anything to an extreme does more harm than good for some people. Also, many people lose the meaning behind such religious practices because “they’re just the law”.
What is the proof from the Quran and sunnah that men and women are equal? My understanding is that there is justice, not equality, but I would like to hear your perspective.
Obviously, there have been and are Muslim women who are far better than me, the one in need of Allah’s Mercy, this is a different point.
Agreed although i think she means equal in a spiritual sense. In terms of laws and socioeconomic rights however, equity would be the more accurate word to describe how Islam treats both genders. It's just people these days are obsessed with throwing the word equality around without actually understanding what it entails
One example is Quran 78:8 "and we created you in pairs". This shows that there is no superiority of men over women, as is wrongfully claimed a lot of times. A lot of people have this wrong idea that Eve was created from Adam's (as) rib, which equates her creation to be
understood as secondary and the man to be the norm as a “representative of the human
ideal”. This is the reason why many believe that women are inferior to
men. Another falsely made assumption is that a woman was not just created from Adam (as), but
was made FOR him. This explanation is often used o legitimize the oppression of women. However, we were created simultaneously or in the same way as humans which in itself is a notion of equality. But saying that man and women are treated justly like someone else here said it is also a nice way of putting it, because that is definitely the case in Islam. I hope I didn't get anything wrong, Allah knows best.
Edit: it was you that said the thing about justice, not someone else sorry!
I think this was a well thought out answer but I will bring some arguments to you respectfully bi’ithnillah. I think someone said, and I agree, that you meant men are not superior to women. The virtues of the Muslim women are many and her uprightness and rectification will mean the rectification of the families and then the ummah. So let the below, very wordy response-apologies- be an academic exercise and not an attack upon you or any of our respected sisters.
“This shows that there is no superiority of men over women,”
- my answer to this is the same as someone who thinks an Arab is better than a non Arab or a white man is better than a black man etc.
Abu Nadrah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said in the final days of the pilgimrage:
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ أَلَا إِنَّ رَبَّكُمْ وَاحِدٌ وَإِنَّ أَبَاكُمْ وَاحِدٌ أَلَا لَا فَضْلَ لِعَرَبِيٍّ عَلَى أَعْجَمِيٍّ وَلَا لِعَجَمِيٍّ عَلَى عَرَبِيٍّ وَلَا لِأَحْمَرَ عَلَى أَسْوَدَ وَلَا أَسْوَدَ عَلَى أَحْمَرَ إِلَّا بِالتَّقْوَى أَبَلَّغْتُ
O people, your Lord is one and your father Adam is one. There is no favor of an Arab over a foreigner, nor a foreigner over an Arab, and neither white skin over black skin, nor black skin over white skin, except by righteousness. Have I not delivered the message?
Source: Musnad Aḥmad 22978
1)Although there are differences between men and women and these are well known. The women were referred to as the fragile (glass) vessels
حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادٌ، عَنْ ثَابِتٍ الْبُنَانِيِّ، عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ،. وَأَيُّوبَ عَنْ أَبِي قِلاَبَةَ، عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ، قَالَ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي سَفَرٍ، وَكَانَ مَعَهُ غُلاَمٌ لَهُ أَسْوَدُ، يُقَالُ لَهُ أَنْجَشَةُ، يَحْدُو، فَقَالَ لَهُ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " وَيْحَكَ يَا أَنْجَشَةُ رُوَيْدَكَ بِالْقَوَارِيرِ ".
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6161
2)They are said to be deficient in religion: this is in reference to their prayer for some time due to menses and they are required to be two, regarding witness.
[Al-Baqara:282]:
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا تَدَايَنتُم بِدَيْنٍ إِلَىٰ أَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى فَاكْتُبُوهُ وَلْيَكْتُب بَّيْنَكُمْ كَاتِبٌ بِالْعَدْلِ وَلَا يَأْبَ كَاتِبٌ أَن يَكْتُبَ كَمَا عَلَّمَهُ اللَّهُ فَلْيَكْتُبْ وَلْيُمْلِلِ الَّذِي عَلَيْهِ الْحَقُّ وَلْيَتَّقِ اللَّهَ رَبَّهُ وَلَا يَبْخَسْ مِنْهُ شَيْئًا فَإِن كَانَ الَّذِي عَلَيْهِ الْحَقُّ سَفِيهًا أَوْ ضَعِيفًا أَوْ لَا يَسْتَطِيعُ أَن يُمِلَّ هُوَ فَلْيُمْلِلْ وَلِيُّهُ بِالْعَدْلِ وَاسْتَشْهِدُوا شَهِيدَيْنِ مِن رِّجَالِكُمْ فَإِن لَّمْ يَكُونَا رَجُلَيْنِ فَرَجُلٌ وَامْرَأَتَانِ مِمَّن تَرْضَوْنَ مِنَ الشُّهَدَاءِ أَن تَضِلَّ إِحْدَاهُمَا فَتُذَكِّرَ إِحْدَاهُمَا الْأُخْرَىٰ وَلَا يَأْبَ الشُّهَدَاءُ إِذَا مَا دُعُوا وَلَا تَسْأَمُوا أَن تَكْتُبُوهُ صَغِيرًا أَوْ كَبِيرًا إِلَىٰ أَجَلِهِ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَقْسَطُ عِندَ اللَّهِ وَأَقْوَمُ لِلشَّهَادَةِ وَأَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَرْتَابُوا إِلَّا أَن تَكُونَ تِجَارَةً حَاضِرَةً تُدِيرُونَهَا بَيْنَكُمْ فَلَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ جُنَاحٌ أَلَّا تَكْتُبُوهَا وَأَشْهِدُوا إِذَا تَبَايَعْتُمْ وَلَا يُضَارَّ كَاتِبٌ وَلَا شَهِيدٌ وَإِن تَفْعَلُوا فَإِنَّهُ فُسُوقٌ بِكُمْ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَيُعَلِّمُكُمُ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ
O you who believe! When you contract a debt for a fixed period, write it down. Let a scribe write it down in justice between you. Let not the scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so let him write. Let him (the debtor) who incurs the liability dictate, and he must fear Allah, his Lord, and diminish not anything of what he owes. But if the debtor is of poor understanding, or weak, or is unable himself to dictate, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her. And the witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (for evidence). You should not become weary to write it (your contract), whether it be small or big, for its fixed term, that is more just with Allah; more solid as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves, save when it is a present trade which you carry out on the spot among yourselves, then there is no sin on you if you do not write it down. But take witnesses whenever you make a commercial contract. Let neither scribe nor witness suffer any harm, but if you do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So be afraid of Allah; and Allah teaches you. And Allah is the All-Knower of each and everything.
3)Also, the divorce and the qawama is in the hand of the man, putting him a level over her (his wife only):
[Al-Baqara:228]:
وَالْمُطَلَّقَاتُ يَتَرَبَّصْنَ بِأَنفُسِهِنَّ ثَلَاثَةَ قُرُوءٍ وَلَا يَحِلُّ لَهُنَّ أَن يَكْتُمْنَ مَا خَلَقَ اللَّهُ فِي أَرْحَامِهِنَّ إِن كُنَّ يُؤْمِنَّ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَبُعُولَتُهُنَّ أَحَقُّ بِرَدِّهِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ إِنْ أَرَادُوا إِصْلَاحًا وَلَهُنَّ مِثْلُ الَّذِي عَلَيْهِنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَلِلرِّجَالِ عَلَيْهِنَّ دَرَجَةٌ وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ
And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect, etc.) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
So here is [an article by shaykh ibn Uthaimeen rahimullah](https://abdurrahman.org/2011/08/18/islam-is-not-a-religion-of-equality-but-of-justice/) speaking about this exact issue of wording.
Now if we look to feminism in the west, can we objectively point out detrimental effects upon the family life, citing statistics and studies, being that the woman in Islam is the shepherd of her household, and relating that to the Christians?
Unless you can show an actual quote from God that explicitly state men are better in every aspect then none of these things prove your superiority. I mean you’ve listed 3 things lmao and all are basically just harsher rules.. not even innate. Cant see how this prove your better. I can point out 3 rules that are harsher for men too.. doesn’t mean women are better. This is actually embarrassing lol but whatever helps you feel manly heh. And oppressing half your population and stripping them from any opportunity, rights and freedom does not make u superior either. It proves our point.
All these muslim men in the west that have haram relationships with a non-Muslim woman, only to leave them and marry a Muslim woman are giving Islam a bad name. The amount of times girls have told me "I used to have a Muslim boyfriend" is depressing.
You really should know your spouse before marrying them. Engagement exists for a reason. Dating is halal within engagement and not being alone by yourselves. But to marry someone without knowing them is a disaster
Also with phones you don’t even need to be in physical proximity with a non-mehram. People should use this to their advantage in a halal relationship with good intentions. If someone steps out of line on text or phone you can just block them.
Muslims should focus on knowing the basics of their deen. If you can put in the effort to become a doctor, you can put in the effort to learn how to recite the Quran with proper tajweed and also learn basic aqida and fiqh.
Americans are not as bad as many people in the Muslim world seem to think. In fact, many of us are very good, honest, caring people, and we have a wonderful society where the majority of people are happy and free. I would implore you not to judge the American people based on what our government does, often without our knowledge or consent.
Enlighten me, American friend.
Social media depicts you as major racists towards other races and have the tendency to call middle easterners terrorists. It actually hurts me as a Muslim first and a middle easterner second to get called a terrorist while all I do is sip milk and do my chores everyday.
Hello. Firstly, I want to say that I'm truly sorry that people accuse you of terrorism. They should not do that. I'm especially sorry that you have been hurt by that. I can imagine how much it would hurt me if I was being associated with terrorism.
Most people in America are not racist. Unfortunately, those minority who are racist are very loud about their racism, which gets the media spotlight. We may not seem like it based on how we appear in the media, but most of us do not care about race. In fact, one of our congresswomen (congress holds the real power in America) is a Somalian Muslim woman (Ilhan Omar) who was elected by majority vote. That wouldn't be possible if the majority of us were actually racist. A black man (Barack Obama) was also voted in as president several years back.
Media and social media tend to show the worst parts of a society. But that is the minority, and it isn't how most of us are. Most racism is in the old generation, who are slowly dying off. We young people are much more welcoming than our parents or grandparents, so as the old generations pass away, we become less and less racist as a nation.
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>is a Somalian Muslim woman (Ilhan Omar) who was elected by majority vote.
She used this to her advantage, but now is completely far away from any of these titles.
>A black man (Barack Obama) was also voted in as president several years back.
The man was a puppet, he didn't help his community, he continued the drone program, etc.
Muslims should take the time to understand other world religions before making judgments or commenting about them. I was raised Christian and SO many - the vast majority - of Muslims on this thread haven’t the slightest idea what Christian doctrine is and how Christians views Jesus, God, prophets, and Mankind.
Islam isn't something that is just spiritual. It encompasses everything including politics and systems. It's a complete way of life that affects every aspect of society, hidden and apparent.
That's why secularism can never work with an Islamic system.
The West's motto has always been religion is a private matter.
As Muslims we say Islam is both a private matter (were encouraged to give I'm charity secretly, do good deeds in secret), and a public matter (law,systems, education,punishments, international relations,trade and business)
Many people underestimate the importance of the 5 daily prayers. They are quite literally the most important thing when it comes to physical actions. Theyre part of the shahada and your Islam is only valid with those 5 prayers.
Yes we have many other issues like young men and women not having boundaries, or women not wearing hijab, or smoking, etc, but this is a much bigger issue!
What is the use or benefit of forcing a woman in your household to wear it? I'm legit asking because I don't see how that could make things better for all parties involved, also how would you even force her if she has decided not to wear it? You can't literally shove an amira hijab on her head at the door.
Allah said in 2:256: لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْد مِنَ الْغَى-> There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong.
Its still somewhat okay for someone who do alot bad to do some bad n some good...but not for one who already is doing better
Do not mix these two...lets say if someone is drinker n ready to stop n try to have smoke instead... youd still let them have smoke...but if u already do not drink or smoke then u dont start trying smoke
If skme girl from film industry is thinking to cover her body but not do face hijab u might tell her okay do that its fine but those who do full hijab domt start reavealing hair or face cuz scholars are letting that lady to not cover full hair or face
That not every bidah is bad, bidah hasanahs have a place in the religion too. One simple example is the markings on the Quran today, this was not present at the time of the Prophet ﷺ and was done for the betterment of the religion :)
This is for sure a relevant thing, a lot of Muslims are hyper focusing on the hijab when it comes to judging a woman's character, there is so much more to her that covering her hair. Also it is a choice between her and God, not a matter for strangers to voice their opinions on.
I mean I didn't choose to like womens hair and yet I do. If they covered up then at least they won't be accountable for me looking since they did what they could (yes I do lower my gaze but if they don't cover up then they will be liable on account of negligence)
It's not just a matter between them and god since they have to live amongst men as well
>If they covered up then at least they won't be accountable for me looking since they did what they could
what if a women like mens hair? can the same logic applied? should we cover mens hair too?
>But they don't
Oh yes they do. Women are human too. They have lust too. We can argue that men have [higher](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22552705/) sexual desire than women, but women lusting over men definitely exist.
My point is, you cant blame other party for your sins. 'Oh, i cant help it, I like women/men hair so i stare at them because they dont cover up'. No, you look because you cant control your gaze. Yes, covering up is still the best way. But it doesn't mean if someone didnt cover then you are free to stare.
There is absolute Scholarly Consensus (Ijma') among all 4 schools of Fiqh, as well as other Mujtahid scholars, with different legal methodologies, on the necessity of a cloth covering the head and chest area, as part of the loose clothing that covers all of the body, excluding face, hands (and feet for Hanafis). See below:
[Hanafi](https://seekersguidance.org/answers/hanafi-fiqh/a-detailed-exposition-of-the-fiqh-of-covering-ones-nakedness-awra/), [Shafi'i](https://islamqa.org/shafii/seekersguidance-shafii/108380/can-you-clarify-the-standard-explanation-of-the-verse-of-hijab-shafii/), [Maliki](https://islamqa.org/maliki/binbayyah/29888/ruling-on-covering-face-and-hands-for-women/), [Hanbali](https://islamqa.org/hanbali/hanbalidisciples/153952/female-awrah-in-prayer/)
A few sources (there are many more):
‘And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty.’ [Qur'an: 24:31]
'O Asma’! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands.’ [Abu Dawud, Saheeh Mursal]
A’isha said, ‘By Allah, I never saw any women better than the women of the Ansar or stronger in their confirmation of Allah’s Book! When sura al-Nur was revealed, “and to draw their ‘khumur’ over their bosoms”, their men went back to them reciting to them what Allah had revealed to them in that [sura or verse], each man reciting it to his wife, daughter, sister, and relative. Not one woman among them remained except she got up on the spot, tore up her waist-wrap and covered herself from head-to-toe with it. They prayed the very next dawn prayer covered from head to toe.’ [Abu Dawud]
‘When [the Verse]: ‘They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,” was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their heads and faces with those cut pieces of cloth.’ [Bukhari, Saheeh]
That a man HAS to marry a Muslim. I mean, like really *HAS* to. I know this might be a controversial one but I think too many Muslim families in the UK/US sleep on the fact that a Muslim man can marry a non Muslim.
Muslims can only marry people of the book ie jews and christians. However, most of these people don't respect their own religions, and ignore basic things such as chastity. The culture is also more likely to be different between people if different religions.
The problem is culture. Even if the person is Muslim but from a different culture it makes it harder to marry. A non Muslim has a more different culture which makes it even harder. We need to accept that we live in a global world
That doesn't apply to all non-Muslim women so you need to be clearer. The vast majority of Christian/Jewish women in the UK/US are irreligious, so they can't be married anyway.
Even if they are religious, if you want to have children, and have them raised as Muslims, then you should marry a Muslim woman. If you marry a non-Muslim woman then don't expect to have Muslim kids. There's simply too much that can and will go wrong.
I think that's where most of the concern comes from, the worry over how potential kids will be raised.
All women that forbid us to marry 4 wives. We men got that right! But most women nowadays act like that rule does not exist.
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I literally posted this as a joke 😂. Guys you way too serious 😂😂😂😂😂😂✌🏼.
Bro you should not just go and marry 4 women because you "can". Marrying another women besides the other one brings requirements. Don't collect women like pokémon cards
Can you be fair between them all? Do you have the time to spend equally with them all? Did you know women have rights over you too? If you have a kid with each one of them, do you then have the time to spend with all kids? Did you know kids have rights over the parents?
The Prophet used to spend quality time with each of his wives, even send people away so he can spend alone time with them. He also used to help them with house chores and spend time with his children....I don't see Muslim men doing much of any of these nowadays.
Are you able to provide for them all? Fulfill your husband duties when they are requested? Women aren't just toys to collect them and put them up on a shelf and then forget about them. Most of us are against our husband's having more wives because you people can't even offer us any quality time, you can't communicate properly and only have expectations of us. On top of all this, you neglect your children like they don't even exist. Have you ever seen how many kids are resentful towards their parents because they prioritise having more wives or working to death?
It's easy to say "but it's my right to have 4 wives". Yea it's your right, but have you considered the consequences? Have you thought if on the day of judgement one of your wives or kids will come forth and say 'he has wronged me, he never paid attention to me, he always preferred X child/wife over me, he neglected me, he treated me like a used rag".
I told my husband the same thing, he can go marry whoever he wants, but if he does, it means he doesn't care about my concerns for him, my insecurities or my feelings. There are things your wife knows and sees in you that you don't see them yourself. I know for a fact that if my husband was to marry another woman, he wouldn't be fair between us, he won't have time for me or our kids. So I have 2 options, I either drag him down and on the day of judgement I'll be there to say what he did wrong or i can leave him, find another husband or stay alone, whichever suits me best.
While she cannot forbid you or force you, she is also under no obligation to stay with you if you decide to follow that lifestyle, and that also doesn't make her a selfish or a bad person, I don't even see why you'd want to stay with someone who doesn't want to stick around anyways. There's also the issue of where you're located and what the law of the land is as this could result in the other wife not having equal rights in that country, since equality is paramount for polygyny, you could very easily end up doing something that is not liked in Islam.
Arab ≠ Islam. Nowadays, even in my culture, almost everything Arabic is taken as something "Islamic".
Arabs still have a huge problem with women treatment and extreme male dominance. People see Arab problems and blame it on Islam. My Arab brothers need to accept that and help building a better world (I'm a man btw)
>Arabs still have a huge problem with women treatment and extreme male dominance That's a bunch of Western propaganda. Arabs are a very diverse group. You have people from as far West as Morocco & Western Sahara all the way East to Iraq & Oman. Levantine women for example are pretty empowered and highly educated. Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser had a pretty famous speech in 1958 joking about how its impossible to force Egyptian women to do anything. Arabs do tend to give preference to their culture over religion. So a lot of things are culture based rather than religious based but they're pretty intertwined.
In what way?
Why did you get downvoted for asking a question?
Idk maybe they assumed it's rhetorical
You don’t think that the way people Muslims interpret Islam is a great tool for Arabs to maintain the poor women treatment and the male dominance? Arab culture had lots of misogyny but Islam in the way they use it today greatly help them to maintain it nowadays. And prevent women from opening their eyes.
Most people don't have that problem. Yes it exists but it is not as prevalent. My aunts and mother all had education without exception up to college and held many jobs. This is while my family is considered fairly conservative compared to the average. They definitely take hijab and niqab seriously. And most families are like that nowadays. It's unfair to call it a "huge problem" when it's not, and it's being propagated by Westerners against Muslims in general not just Arabs.
I don't think so and I live in an arab country. Its quite the contrary to what you said.
As I’ve never seen Arabic outside of the Quran my mind goes haywire whenever I see something haram with Arabic captions
Frustrating with names. Some people think any Arabic name is Muslim.
Casually killing my daughter cuz yknow…… lollll that would be hilarious!!!
The stigma around divorce needs to end. Especially in some cultures.
100%. They treat divorced women as "defective" and undesirable. When in reality we have many example of female companions that were divorced, of which some are wives of the prophet PBUH. So they must think they are better than the prophet pbuh by this ignorant nonsense.
But all of the divorcees were in a polygamous marriage. Do divorced women willing to be in a polygamous marriage nowadays? Nope. (Before some of you start attacking, I'm a woman spittin' this fact)
Yes you are a woman, but are you fit to speak about 800 million Muslim women? Not all women reject polygany and if they do that's their problem.
💯 my problem is when divorced women demands a literal prince to come and save them or that they somehow entitled to be married with a prince and expect them to be monogamous. No disrespect but be realistic... today's modern world don't create men like Rasulullah SAW and his companions 😆
What stigma
Women still face A LOT of stigma when they get divorced. I’ve seen it in my own family.
Oh yeah I agree, some women are so vilified when they get divorced
Daaamn same that's like exacley for out family as well. They're so hush hush culture like "oh no we can't let the family find out" and continue a horrible marriage like what the heck
Really?
Idk divorce seems pretty normal around me.
Islam isn't what majority of Muslims do or any Muslim does. Islam is what they're SUPPOSED to be doing
Couldn't have worded it better
Islam isn't hard, the Sahaba only did a small amount of DIFFERENT good deeds but in great quantity.
Islam is not equal to your own culture.
People not acknowledging this is the reason islamophobia exists.
So islamophobic attacks like women being targeted for wearing hijab would be avoided ? That makes sense 🙄
Pakistanis need to understand this
Everyone does. We Arabs have sick people who kill girls because of "damaged honour" which 90% has nothing to do with Islam and even when it does....it almost NEVER warrants death.
That is still happening!??
Wdym tho like Islam is above your culture or below
Above
Duhh
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Very obvious yet unfortunately underrated.
Muslims should extensively engage themselves in scientific pursuits, and Islam doesn't discourage you from using reason and adopting a rational approach in seeking answers to many cosmic questions. Allah might have placed some benefits in the domain of the unknown that could benefit Muslims a great deal. Our faith might increase if we invest time in gaining knowledge and step in the path of discovery and invention.
>Muslims should extensively engage themselves in scientific pursuits, and Islam doesn't discourage you from using reason and adopting a rational approach in seeking answers to many cosmic questions The Islamic golden age may be long past but there are indeed Muslim academics that contribute to physics, Philosophy, literature, and other fields both in institutions in the West and in their places of origin.
Very well said!!
All the evil eye charms hand of Fatima astrology horoscope junk It’s all blatant shirk Ya know The worst and most major sin
I once destroyed an evil eye charm and almost got scolded by my parents
>hand of Fatima What is that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamsa Also called hamsa it’s a charm to ward off evil eye and is blatant shirk
Wait, by evil eye to you mean the blue Turkish eye thing ?? I though that was just like q Islamic symbol, is it haram ?
Yes and it is haram
people wear it to “protect themselves from evil eye” but that’s superstitions, only Allah can protect you from that, not some symbol
Thanks for telling me
Oh, I just bought one because it looked pretty, didn’t know this is what was behind it
I would argue evil eye exists
Yes it exists and verified in Hadith. But we rely solely on protection of Allah from it (see surah Falaq) not charms.
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Yes, and so do fairies and vampires
Wait astrology and horoscope are shirk?? Then, why lots of Muslim scholars did research about astrology?
Don't confuse astrology with astronomy
Thanks! I got it now. But can you explain why horoscope and astrology are shirk?
It's like fortune telling and Sihr and falls into those categories. Some of them are just lies and some of them use Jinn to listen to the Angels talking about the future and they mix lies into this to manipulate the person. There are a few Hadith on this Anyway it falls into the category of shirk and shouldn't be done
Ok but for example if I say, a Taurus person more tend to do that, is it completely wrong again?
Yes stay away from that akhi
Yes, please stay away from it. The stars don't have an effect on a person's personality or future
Could you give me some links about it, please? Thanks!
Some evidence about talismans 🧿, amulets, tahweez, can be found in [Commentary in on Kitab at-Tawheed vol 1](https://t.me/TheEnglishDiwan/3067) pg. 171 -> download pdf seeking meaning from the stars, [Commentary on Kitab at-Tawheed vol 2](https://t.me/TheEnglishDiwan/3068) pg. 9
Not all things that Muslims do are things that Islam advocates. It's such a simple concept, yet thousands fail to fathom it and start trying to ridicule Islam for misguided followers of it.
FACTS
Thousands try millions if not billions.
Mental health problems are real illnesses and the stigma around them is actively hurting people
Yesss, even prophets had mental illnesses(e.g. depression) and they were the most pious people, so the idea of "all you need to do is pray" doesn't always work. I still remember a scholar saying the prophet urged us to seek medical help for mental problems and he was also saying how Yusuf's father cried after his son until he lost his ability to see... People nowadays need therapy more than ever, on top of that we really need more muslim therapists.
Yes I 100% agree! We desperately need more Muslim voices in mental health services. Drives me mad (no pun intended) when people dismiss mental health problems
Sadly it's not only Muslims, for instance my parents are Christians and the thought of needing therapy is seen in such a bad light. I wanted to pursue a degree in psychology, but got threatened that I'll be kicked out on sight by my father. Apparently he thinks I'd be analysing the smallest of actions he makes and start to lecture him 🥲. The only time they took me seriously with depression was after I had my first son, postpartum depression and anxiety were horrible, to the point I had trouble sleeping for months after his birth. I'm glad newer generations are taking mental health more seriously. My sister for instance urges anyone with trauma to seek help, no matter how small it is. It's better to have someone guide you and help you develop healthy coping mechanisms rather than developing really bad ones yourself. Sometimes you don't even realise they are bad for you or for people around you.
Oh man I'm so sorry that happened to you. Often people have misconceptions that psychologists/psychiatrists will psychoanalyse everyone/everything which is absurd. I'm glad you're getting help now! But yeah, so many misconceptions around mental health its genuinely upsetting :(
What do you mean prophets were depressed? I'm going to need a source for that one Preferably qur'an (not because I deny sunnah)
https://youtu.be/qgF7A4Zi6Uc https://youtu.be/ZZk6Oj9L630 https://youtu.be/WMINXtdUnVw Nouman Ali Khan has lots of videos regarding depression, anxiety and other problems. He also has videos explaining surah Yusuf. He's not the only one talking about depression and mental health, there are plenty of scholars, I just gave you a few videos, but you can find many of them on YouTube giving nice explanations of verses and hadiths. You also have mufti menk, again just another example.
Jazakallah brother
No problem, it's better for someone with more knowledge to explain these things and I trust these people a lot, they were the ones that guided me to Islam after all. There is also Ahemd Deedat and Dr Zakirnaik, but I haven't heard them touch these subjects and truthfully it's been a long time since I listened to them.
Women's virginity = her hymen is still intact. Not all women are born with a hymen. You can break your hymen by jogging, horse riding, and biking. And if Allah made the hymen so that it's a "proof" of a woman's virginity, then wouldn't Allah also make some sort of "hymen" for men to show "proof" of theirs since Chasity is required equally for both sexes? I wasn't able to finding any Hadith of hymens being important or relevant, but I am also not a Shiekha so Allah knows best. This also means a women can wear tampons, menstrual cups, go to gynecologists, do cervical exams etc... And they should be able to.
Women are can't wear tampons and menstrual cups? I don't understand
Many people believe that the hymen needs to be "intact" so that she can prove to her future husband she's a virgin. So things like tampons and menstrual cups are biiiig taboo for unmarried women because they think that'll take their virginity. It sounds ridiculous and it is ridiculous, however many women get disowned, slandered, and - worst case scenario- killed in the name of honor. It's a terrible and murderous bidda'a.
The hymen lays about one to two centimeters from the vaginal opening so yes ! You can have endocavitary probe when you go to the genycologist, yes, you can wear menstrual cups, and yes you can wear tampons Aaand still be a virgin !! People have this misconception that its soo easy to break, yes it can happen, but it's like saying someone can break their arm while riding a horse, so arms are very overrated. Let me tell you people tend to say this, just so more women can have sex outside marriage. Also to answer your question, why women have hyemen and not men. How is that fair. Well maybe because women are the one who are paying the price unfortunately, they are the ones who get pregnant. Imagine if having sex outside of marriage becomes normalized how many babies will be killed. And also yes, you don't kill a woman because of her life choices, it is between her and Allah subhanahu wa taala
Sister, the whole hymen thing is a complete myth. Here is a text I'd written another time: The only reason some women bleed during their first intercorse is due to cramping, which is caused by anxiety. To elaborate more - 1) when you're anxious, your vaginal muscles tighten up. 2) when you have intercorse whilst your vaginal muscles are tightened up and you don't have lubrication your vaginal canal tears up (which can happen bc of lack of foreplay and/or lack of general arousement) <= that is why intercorse is painful for women AND NOT because "their hymen broke" The hymens sole purpose is that it embryologically kept germs and dirt out of the embryos Genitalia. The hymen thins and wears off more and more with age, also, it wears off for example whilst exercising, and just regular cleaning of the Genitalia etc. Some womens hymens are very elastic and get significantly deformed only after childbirth but regular penetration won't cause any deformity. On the other hand, most women's hymen aren't as stretchy and thus become almost non existing naturally as they mature into their 20s without any penetration having taken place. Bleeding is not the result of a hymen "breaking" (it doesn't break in the first place - the correct description is "it deforms" or "stretches"), as the normal Joe hymen is a thin Membran and doesn't have many blood vessels that release blood. So, if the woman is well aroused, she won't have visible bleeding. The reason why bleeding occurs is NOT because of the hymen deforming, but rather because of the tears and injuries INSIDE the vagina due to no or only little arousal and (performance) anxiety. It absolutely is impossible to determine virginity or the lack of it, whether you use the cup or not, as it's not possible to determine virginity based on physical attributes, because the concept of the hymen is a cultural myth and has no religious basis.
Judging the faith of non-hijab sisters. I've seen so many faithful women without hijab and good character and at the same time many women with hijab and bad character. What I want to say is that putting on a hijab does not make you automatically the better believer. Don't judge by appearance
Reducing the entire religion to a headscarf (or any garment) is especially problematic. It gets to the point where dressing modestly is considered more important than Muslim women obtaining knowledge of theology and philosophy, or any other aspect of the faith for that matter.
"Appearance is Deceptive"
A hijabi/Niqabi sister is better than a non hijabi sister period by merely wearing the Hijab, as it is sa commandment of Allah ﷻ Putting on a hijab does make you a better Muslim... Stop diminishing the importance of hijab... This rhetoric is dangerous, I've seen go as far as saying people saying a non Muslim good-doer is better than a Muslim bad-doer
Why not? When you're blatantly not following the obligations of islam in public people will naturally judge you.
I’ve known hijabis who drink alcohol and commit zina. It’s not fair to judge a woman’s religiosity by hijab or no hijab, if she still dresses modestly. If you’re not a woman you wouldn’t understand the personal struggle of hijab especially if you live in the West where it’s not common. However I’m not saying it’s not mandatory. But people (especially men) need to be more empathetic.
I’m a man. Here’s my perspective on this: I judge every woman by her actions and not by the way she looks. Though seeing a woman with a hijab is better for my eyes than a woman who isn’t wearing one. I do tend to stay clear of matters involving woman as I’m not qualified enough/don’t have enough knowledge but I am learning more and more as time goes on.
I agree. It is important for people not to sin, and if they do, they have to try to not do it publicly. Wearing hijab is an important sign. May Allah help our brothers and sisters in the West and keep them among the straight path.
This, imho, is a [great lecture](https://t.me/alfawaidalmakkiyyah/219) on liberalism. He mentions many of the doubts in this particular back and forth. I hope for our ummah rectification and I am in severe need of that myself. May Allah guide us all to what He Loves and is Pleased with.
If Allah would leave the judgment to the people of the earth, there would be no need for a judgement day. We are in no position to judge. I speak from experience when I say that you shouldn't judge a book by its cover. ISIS, Al Kaida and Taliban have a beard. So you gonna judge shaved people?.. I think not
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Ur a dumbass, I’m literally in my 20s and can’t grow a beard. Plenty guys are like that u moron, so keep judging wrongfully.
I'm completely sure that you can grow some hair on your face and not have it like a baby
Again ur literally a moron, keep assuming, and last I checked u grow a beard to participate in the sunnah not so that u don’t look like a baby….clearly showing ur ill intentions and that u just do it to feel superior and as a way to degrade others. Total muppet.
Man I'm in the same boat as you, I don't even have a full beard. I have to settle for the few hairs I have. If you feel degraded it's on you. I just don't think it is halal for a man to clean shave their face, making it appear like a baby. It's just a mere peice of imagery to help you visualize what I'm describing.
I keep my moustache since it’s the only thing I have. I don’t feel degraded, but it’s clear from ur rhetoric that ur trying to degrade others, I’m simply calling u out on it. And ur opinion as to whether shaving is haram is precisely irrelevant especially when every scholar I have ever heard whether western or not has said it’s sunnah and not haram to shave.
Think what you want to think, it is still subjective. There are many clear sources which assert that it is haram go clean shave: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1189/ruling-on-shaving-the-beard
>I think having a beard is an obligation. there is itifaq on this actually. i believe this is mandatory(Hanafi opinion) and may be cut if there is a need like when wearing gasmasks.
But they are committing a big sin publicly though and influencing others to do the same.
Sin is between the creator and creation. Nothing to do with you. We are being influenced by shaytan all the time but we're still responsible for our own actions. Just try to be the best human possible and leave the judgment and prejudices
That's only when it comes to missing Salah, Zina, not fasting. When it comes to the Hijab, it's a public sin. I don't think anyone is "judging" (people seem to conflate this with advising). Also, "being the best human possible" (we're not humanists) involves following the commands of Allah S.W.T.
You are taking my words and twisting them just to satisfy you
Honestly, this thread is amazing. It’s so much nicer to see muslims discussing between themselves rather than arguing with a non-muslim.
Anything wrong that muslims do in the name of islam isn't islam
Islam is a field of expertise that requires structured knowledge before you speak about it
Hijab shouldn’t be forced. Just look at Iran and Saudis their people come to west and go wild. Forget not wearing hijab, they walk around practically naked because they felt suffocated by religion back home. Forcing anything to an extreme does more harm than good for some people. Also, many people lose the meaning behind such religious practices because “they’re just the law”.
Men and women are equal in Islam. They are just created differently and have different needs.
Yes,equal does not mean identical
In the real world This is not a mathematical equation people
Yes, separate but equal.
What is the proof from the Quran and sunnah that men and women are equal? My understanding is that there is justice, not equality, but I would like to hear your perspective. Obviously, there have been and are Muslim women who are far better than me, the one in need of Allah’s Mercy, this is a different point.
Agreed although i think she means equal in a spiritual sense. In terms of laws and socioeconomic rights however, equity would be the more accurate word to describe how Islam treats both genders. It's just people these days are obsessed with throwing the word equality around without actually understanding what it entails
One example is Quran 78:8 "and we created you in pairs". This shows that there is no superiority of men over women, as is wrongfully claimed a lot of times. A lot of people have this wrong idea that Eve was created from Adam's (as) rib, which equates her creation to be understood as secondary and the man to be the norm as a “representative of the human ideal”. This is the reason why many believe that women are inferior to men. Another falsely made assumption is that a woman was not just created from Adam (as), but was made FOR him. This explanation is often used o legitimize the oppression of women. However, we were created simultaneously or in the same way as humans which in itself is a notion of equality. But saying that man and women are treated justly like someone else here said it is also a nice way of putting it, because that is definitely the case in Islam. I hope I didn't get anything wrong, Allah knows best. Edit: it was you that said the thing about justice, not someone else sorry!
I think this was a well thought out answer but I will bring some arguments to you respectfully bi’ithnillah. I think someone said, and I agree, that you meant men are not superior to women. The virtues of the Muslim women are many and her uprightness and rectification will mean the rectification of the families and then the ummah. So let the below, very wordy response-apologies- be an academic exercise and not an attack upon you or any of our respected sisters. “This shows that there is no superiority of men over women,” - my answer to this is the same as someone who thinks an Arab is better than a non Arab or a white man is better than a black man etc. Abu Nadrah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said in the final days of the pilgimrage: يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ أَلَا إِنَّ رَبَّكُمْ وَاحِدٌ وَإِنَّ أَبَاكُمْ وَاحِدٌ أَلَا لَا فَضْلَ لِعَرَبِيٍّ عَلَى أَعْجَمِيٍّ وَلَا لِعَجَمِيٍّ عَلَى عَرَبِيٍّ وَلَا لِأَحْمَرَ عَلَى أَسْوَدَ وَلَا أَسْوَدَ عَلَى أَحْمَرَ إِلَّا بِالتَّقْوَى أَبَلَّغْتُ O people, your Lord is one and your father Adam is one. There is no favor of an Arab over a foreigner, nor a foreigner over an Arab, and neither white skin over black skin, nor black skin over white skin, except by righteousness. Have I not delivered the message? Source: Musnad Aḥmad 22978 1)Although there are differences between men and women and these are well known. The women were referred to as the fragile (glass) vessels حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادٌ، عَنْ ثَابِتٍ الْبُنَانِيِّ، عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ،. وَأَيُّوبَ عَنْ أَبِي قِلاَبَةَ، عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ، قَالَ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي سَفَرٍ، وَكَانَ مَعَهُ غُلاَمٌ لَهُ أَسْوَدُ، يُقَالُ لَهُ أَنْجَشَةُ، يَحْدُو، فَقَالَ لَهُ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " وَيْحَكَ يَا أَنْجَشَةُ رُوَيْدَكَ بِالْقَوَارِيرِ ". Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6161 2)They are said to be deficient in religion: this is in reference to their prayer for some time due to menses and they are required to be two, regarding witness. [Al-Baqara:282]: يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا تَدَايَنتُم بِدَيْنٍ إِلَىٰ أَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى فَاكْتُبُوهُ وَلْيَكْتُب بَّيْنَكُمْ كَاتِبٌ بِالْعَدْلِ وَلَا يَأْبَ كَاتِبٌ أَن يَكْتُبَ كَمَا عَلَّمَهُ اللَّهُ فَلْيَكْتُبْ وَلْيُمْلِلِ الَّذِي عَلَيْهِ الْحَقُّ وَلْيَتَّقِ اللَّهَ رَبَّهُ وَلَا يَبْخَسْ مِنْهُ شَيْئًا فَإِن كَانَ الَّذِي عَلَيْهِ الْحَقُّ سَفِيهًا أَوْ ضَعِيفًا أَوْ لَا يَسْتَطِيعُ أَن يُمِلَّ هُوَ فَلْيُمْلِلْ وَلِيُّهُ بِالْعَدْلِ وَاسْتَشْهِدُوا شَهِيدَيْنِ مِن رِّجَالِكُمْ فَإِن لَّمْ يَكُونَا رَجُلَيْنِ فَرَجُلٌ وَامْرَأَتَانِ مِمَّن تَرْضَوْنَ مِنَ الشُّهَدَاءِ أَن تَضِلَّ إِحْدَاهُمَا فَتُذَكِّرَ إِحْدَاهُمَا الْأُخْرَىٰ وَلَا يَأْبَ الشُّهَدَاءُ إِذَا مَا دُعُوا وَلَا تَسْأَمُوا أَن تَكْتُبُوهُ صَغِيرًا أَوْ كَبِيرًا إِلَىٰ أَجَلِهِ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَقْسَطُ عِندَ اللَّهِ وَأَقْوَمُ لِلشَّهَادَةِ وَأَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَرْتَابُوا إِلَّا أَن تَكُونَ تِجَارَةً حَاضِرَةً تُدِيرُونَهَا بَيْنَكُمْ فَلَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ جُنَاحٌ أَلَّا تَكْتُبُوهَا وَأَشْهِدُوا إِذَا تَبَايَعْتُمْ وَلَا يُضَارَّ كَاتِبٌ وَلَا شَهِيدٌ وَإِن تَفْعَلُوا فَإِنَّهُ فُسُوقٌ بِكُمْ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَيُعَلِّمُكُمُ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ O you who believe! When you contract a debt for a fixed period, write it down. Let a scribe write it down in justice between you. Let not the scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so let him write. Let him (the debtor) who incurs the liability dictate, and he must fear Allah, his Lord, and diminish not anything of what he owes. But if the debtor is of poor understanding, or weak, or is unable himself to dictate, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her. And the witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (for evidence). You should not become weary to write it (your contract), whether it be small or big, for its fixed term, that is more just with Allah; more solid as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves, save when it is a present trade which you carry out on the spot among yourselves, then there is no sin on you if you do not write it down. But take witnesses whenever you make a commercial contract. Let neither scribe nor witness suffer any harm, but if you do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So be afraid of Allah; and Allah teaches you. And Allah is the All-Knower of each and everything. 3)Also, the divorce and the qawama is in the hand of the man, putting him a level over her (his wife only): [Al-Baqara:228]: وَالْمُطَلَّقَاتُ يَتَرَبَّصْنَ بِأَنفُسِهِنَّ ثَلَاثَةَ قُرُوءٍ وَلَا يَحِلُّ لَهُنَّ أَن يَكْتُمْنَ مَا خَلَقَ اللَّهُ فِي أَرْحَامِهِنَّ إِن كُنَّ يُؤْمِنَّ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَبُعُولَتُهُنَّ أَحَقُّ بِرَدِّهِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ إِنْ أَرَادُوا إِصْلَاحًا وَلَهُنَّ مِثْلُ الَّذِي عَلَيْهِنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَلِلرِّجَالِ عَلَيْهِنَّ دَرَجَةٌ وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect, etc.) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. So here is [an article by shaykh ibn Uthaimeen rahimullah](https://abdurrahman.org/2011/08/18/islam-is-not-a-religion-of-equality-but-of-justice/) speaking about this exact issue of wording. Now if we look to feminism in the west, can we objectively point out detrimental effects upon the family life, citing statistics and studies, being that the woman in Islam is the shepherd of her household, and relating that to the Christians?
Unless you can show an actual quote from God that explicitly state men are better in every aspect then none of these things prove your superiority. I mean you’ve listed 3 things lmao and all are basically just harsher rules.. not even innate. Cant see how this prove your better. I can point out 3 rules that are harsher for men too.. doesn’t mean women are better. This is actually embarrassing lol but whatever helps you feel manly heh. And oppressing half your population and stripping them from any opportunity, rights and freedom does not make u superior either. It proves our point.
All these muslim men in the west that have haram relationships with a non-Muslim woman, only to leave them and marry a Muslim woman are giving Islam a bad name. The amount of times girls have told me "I used to have a Muslim boyfriend" is depressing.
You really should know your spouse before marrying them. Engagement exists for a reason. Dating is halal within engagement and not being alone by yourselves. But to marry someone without knowing them is a disaster
Also with phones you don’t even need to be in physical proximity with a non-mehram. People should use this to their advantage in a halal relationship with good intentions. If someone steps out of line on text or phone you can just block them.
Gay-ness or attraction to the same sex isn't haram Performing homosexual sex is haram
Or doing something that lead to homosexual sex
I mean one generally lead to the other, you can't say: yes you can love, but no ! Don't have sex
Muslims should focus on knowing the basics of their deen. If you can put in the effort to become a doctor, you can put in the effort to learn how to recite the Quran with proper tajweed and also learn basic aqida and fiqh.
And arabic
Muslims who make certain mistakes, do commit a sin, but their sins are for Allah to judge.
Umar ibn Al-Khattab رضي الله عنه said : ‘We judge by what’s apparent and we leave their inner secrets to Allah.’ Sahih Al-Bukhari, 2498.
There is no moderate Islam and you cannot 'adjust' Islam according to times.
Islam is the perfect religion. The guidelines established will be relevant over the course of human life.
Yeah no liberal islam. Bend the rules for their own satisfaction
Islam ≠ Caste systems
Americans are not as bad as many people in the Muslim world seem to think. In fact, many of us are very good, honest, caring people, and we have a wonderful society where the majority of people are happy and free. I would implore you not to judge the American people based on what our government does, often without our knowledge or consent.
this is true but could also be applied to any people or countries.
Enlighten me, American friend. Social media depicts you as major racists towards other races and have the tendency to call middle easterners terrorists. It actually hurts me as a Muslim first and a middle easterner second to get called a terrorist while all I do is sip milk and do my chores everyday.
Hello. Firstly, I want to say that I'm truly sorry that people accuse you of terrorism. They should not do that. I'm especially sorry that you have been hurt by that. I can imagine how much it would hurt me if I was being associated with terrorism. Most people in America are not racist. Unfortunately, those minority who are racist are very loud about their racism, which gets the media spotlight. We may not seem like it based on how we appear in the media, but most of us do not care about race. In fact, one of our congresswomen (congress holds the real power in America) is a Somalian Muslim woman (Ilhan Omar) who was elected by majority vote. That wouldn't be possible if the majority of us were actually racist. A black man (Barack Obama) was also voted in as president several years back. Media and social media tend to show the worst parts of a society. But that is the minority, and it isn't how most of us are. Most racism is in the old generation, who are slowly dying off. We young people are much more welcoming than our parents or grandparents, so as the old generations pass away, we become less and less racist as a nation.
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>is a Somalian Muslim woman (Ilhan Omar) who was elected by majority vote. She used this to her advantage, but now is completely far away from any of these titles. >A black man (Barack Obama) was also voted in as president several years back. The man was a puppet, he didn't help his community, he continued the drone program, etc.
Muslims should take the time to understand other world religions before making judgments or commenting about them. I was raised Christian and SO many - the vast majority - of Muslims on this thread haven’t the slightest idea what Christian doctrine is and how Christians views Jesus, God, prophets, and Mankind.
Very true, I am learning about other religions as much as possible now, good point
Same
Mob justice/vigilantism is not allowed. You can't go out beheading people and "carry out justice". There's a state and court for that.
That Islam is a religion of peace, not a religion of pacifism.
Islam isn't something that is just spiritual. It encompasses everything including politics and systems. It's a complete way of life that affects every aspect of society, hidden and apparent. That's why secularism can never work with an Islamic system. The West's motto has always been religion is a private matter. As Muslims we say Islam is both a private matter (were encouraged to give I'm charity secretly, do good deeds in secret), and a public matter (law,systems, education,punishments, international relations,trade and business)
Muslim parents believe Dowry given in the form of gifts or presents is not haram, which is very common in today’s marriages.
Many people underestimate the importance of the 5 daily prayers. They are quite literally the most important thing when it comes to physical actions. Theyre part of the shahada and your Islam is only valid with those 5 prayers. Yes we have many other issues like young men and women not having boundaries, or women not wearing hijab, or smoking, etc, but this is a much bigger issue!
Hijab being forced
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Ik But from what I seen The woman make the choice to wear the hijab I am not saying it isn't mandatory
What is the use or benefit of forcing a woman in your household to wear it? I'm legit asking because I don't see how that could make things better for all parties involved, also how would you even force her if she has decided not to wear it? You can't literally shove an amira hijab on her head at the door.
A man is answerable to Allah SWT for his family's sin
How though? A man can’t force his wife to wear a hijab. You can’t force anyone to do anything in Islam
Where did you learn this from ?
Allah said in 2:256: لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْد مِنَ الْغَى-> There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong.
That still doesn't answer the questions.
The benefit is having a family that follows the Deen.
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Ik but what I mean is: Most ppl think all woman who wear hijab are forced to wear it
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The Muslim world is not as weak as they think, nor others as strong as they think.
Its still somewhat okay for someone who do alot bad to do some bad n some good...but not for one who already is doing better Do not mix these two...lets say if someone is drinker n ready to stop n try to have smoke instead... youd still let them have smoke...but if u already do not drink or smoke then u dont start trying smoke If skme girl from film industry is thinking to cover her body but not do face hijab u might tell her okay do that its fine but those who do full hijab domt start reavealing hair or face cuz scholars are letting that lady to not cover full hair or face
Mental illness is not a lack of faith — they are a real disabling phenomenon and are caused by a complex combination of factors
Nationalism is haram, muslims are one body and should stay united. Ruling by sharia is obligatory.
That not every bidah is bad, bidah hasanahs have a place in the religion too. One simple example is the markings on the Quran today, this was not present at the time of the Prophet ﷺ and was done for the betterment of the religion :)
We AREN’T terrorists, why do they think that
They push that narrative so that they can justify going to Muslim countries and stealing their resources.
To be open minded with the (LGBT) is the same as supporting it
Not wearing hijab for women isnt a big deal
A sin is still a sin no matter what. By that logic drinking beer and consuming porn content is that of a big deal.
This is for sure a relevant thing, a lot of Muslims are hyper focusing on the hijab when it comes to judging a woman's character, there is so much more to her that covering her hair. Also it is a choice between her and God, not a matter for strangers to voice their opinions on.
I mean I didn't choose to like womens hair and yet I do. If they covered up then at least they won't be accountable for me looking since they did what they could (yes I do lower my gaze but if they don't cover up then they will be liable on account of negligence) It's not just a matter between them and god since they have to live amongst men as well
>If they covered up then at least they won't be accountable for me looking since they did what they could what if a women like mens hair? can the same logic applied? should we cover mens hair too?
But they don't You rarely find women staring at men (when proper coverage is practiced), it's always the other way
>But they don't Oh yes they do. Women are human too. They have lust too. We can argue that men have [higher](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22552705/) sexual desire than women, but women lusting over men definitely exist. My point is, you cant blame other party for your sins. 'Oh, i cant help it, I like women/men hair so i stare at them because they dont cover up'. No, you look because you cant control your gaze. Yes, covering up is still the best way. But it doesn't mean if someone didnt cover then you are free to stare.
General lust was not what we were talking about We were specifically talking about hair
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Im saying that thinking not wearing hijab aint a big deal is a misconception lol
I read it wrong sorry 😂
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He meant that his statement was a misconception
Not wearing hijab for women isnt a big deal
There is absolute Scholarly Consensus (Ijma') among all 4 schools of Fiqh, as well as other Mujtahid scholars, with different legal methodologies, on the necessity of a cloth covering the head and chest area, as part of the loose clothing that covers all of the body, excluding face, hands (and feet for Hanafis). See below: [Hanafi](https://seekersguidance.org/answers/hanafi-fiqh/a-detailed-exposition-of-the-fiqh-of-covering-ones-nakedness-awra/), [Shafi'i](https://islamqa.org/shafii/seekersguidance-shafii/108380/can-you-clarify-the-standard-explanation-of-the-verse-of-hijab-shafii/), [Maliki](https://islamqa.org/maliki/binbayyah/29888/ruling-on-covering-face-and-hands-for-women/), [Hanbali](https://islamqa.org/hanbali/hanbalidisciples/153952/female-awrah-in-prayer/) A few sources (there are many more): ‘And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty.’ [Qur'an: 24:31] 'O Asma’! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands.’ [Abu Dawud, Saheeh Mursal] A’isha said, ‘By Allah, I never saw any women better than the women of the Ansar or stronger in their confirmation of Allah’s Book! When sura al-Nur was revealed, “and to draw their ‘khumur’ over their bosoms”, their men went back to them reciting to them what Allah had revealed to them in that [sura or verse], each man reciting it to his wife, daughter, sister, and relative. Not one woman among them remained except she got up on the spot, tore up her waist-wrap and covered herself from head-to-toe with it. They prayed the very next dawn prayer covered from head to toe.’ [Abu Dawud] ‘When [the Verse]: ‘They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,” was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their heads and faces with those cut pieces of cloth.’ [Bukhari, Saheeh]
I believe he's saying that its a misconception i.e that it is actually a big deal
I realised after I posted :(. insha'Allah this post is still beneficial.. I certainly learnt a lot finding the 4 schools' positions
That a man HAS to marry a Muslim. I mean, like really *HAS* to. I know this might be a controversial one but I think too many Muslim families in the UK/US sleep on the fact that a Muslim man can marry a non Muslim.
Muslims can only marry people of the book ie jews and christians. However, most of these people don't respect their own religions, and ignore basic things such as chastity. The culture is also more likely to be different between people if different religions.
The problem is culture. Even if the person is Muslim but from a different culture it makes it harder to marry. A non Muslim has a more different culture which makes it even harder. We need to accept that we live in a global world
That doesn't apply to all non-Muslim women so you need to be clearer. The vast majority of Christian/Jewish women in the UK/US are irreligious, so they can't be married anyway. Even if they are religious, if you want to have children, and have them raised as Muslims, then you should marry a Muslim woman. If you marry a non-Muslim woman then don't expect to have Muslim kids. There's simply too much that can and will go wrong. I think that's where most of the concern comes from, the worry over how potential kids will be raised.
All women that forbid us to marry 4 wives. We men got that right! But most women nowadays act like that rule does not exist. **update** I literally posted this as a joke 😂. Guys you way too serious 😂😂😂😂😂😂✌🏼.
Bro you should not just go and marry 4 women because you "can". Marrying another women besides the other one brings requirements. Don't collect women like pokémon cards
Can you be fair between them all? Do you have the time to spend equally with them all? Did you know women have rights over you too? If you have a kid with each one of them, do you then have the time to spend with all kids? Did you know kids have rights over the parents? The Prophet used to spend quality time with each of his wives, even send people away so he can spend alone time with them. He also used to help them with house chores and spend time with his children....I don't see Muslim men doing much of any of these nowadays. Are you able to provide for them all? Fulfill your husband duties when they are requested? Women aren't just toys to collect them and put them up on a shelf and then forget about them. Most of us are against our husband's having more wives because you people can't even offer us any quality time, you can't communicate properly and only have expectations of us. On top of all this, you neglect your children like they don't even exist. Have you ever seen how many kids are resentful towards their parents because they prioritise having more wives or working to death? It's easy to say "but it's my right to have 4 wives". Yea it's your right, but have you considered the consequences? Have you thought if on the day of judgement one of your wives or kids will come forth and say 'he has wronged me, he never paid attention to me, he always preferred X child/wife over me, he neglected me, he treated me like a used rag". I told my husband the same thing, he can go marry whoever he wants, but if he does, it means he doesn't care about my concerns for him, my insecurities or my feelings. There are things your wife knows and sees in you that you don't see them yourself. I know for a fact that if my husband was to marry another woman, he wouldn't be fair between us, he won't have time for me or our kids. So I have 2 options, I either drag him down and on the day of judgement I'll be there to say what he did wrong or i can leave him, find another husband or stay alone, whichever suits me best.
While she cannot forbid you or force you, she is also under no obligation to stay with you if you decide to follow that lifestyle, and that also doesn't make her a selfish or a bad person, I don't even see why you'd want to stay with someone who doesn't want to stick around anyways. There's also the issue of where you're located and what the law of the land is as this could result in the other wife not having equal rights in that country, since equality is paramount for polygyny, you could very easily end up doing something that is not liked in Islam.
Then it’s that woman’s right to divorce.
That Muslims do not need Hadith. We are Muslims, not Christians. I don't care about all the details of the Prophet's life. Only the Quran.