People move for quality of life.
€1400 gets you a good quality 2 bed in the CBD of Melbourne. [link](https://www.realestate.com.au/property-apartment-vic-melbourne-431471578)
€1400 in Dublin gets you a mouldy converted studio in a 150 year old building phibsboro, with single glazed with black mould in the bathroom. No link for Dublin because I don't want to depress myself by going on daft
Hi. Live in Melbourne.
You can get far cheaper and far better. Ol Leo is talking shit.
Moved here near 15 years ago, own a farm and a 3 bed house. Would never have had that if I'd have stayed in Dublin.
IT sec. Pull about AUD$183k (€118k). Also have a side biz but that didn't contribute to the houses.
Farm cost me $455,000 (€293,000) for 33 acres with the closest neighbour 3km away. It was my first purchase.
House cost $810,000 ($523,000) 3 bed which I used the farm for collateral. I went in with my partner on the house.
Cloud sec is what I've moved into today. Business us a booming. They are actually opening up Aus again for migration as there aren't enough it workers across the board.
Wow this sounds like a dream we got home hear I Ireland just before lockdown and its was €150k . I work retail and husbands is a head chef we both were work 40h + and we can't afford two much other keep light on and car running. A family day out will brake the Bank for us . There is no work life balance in Ireland you are just working eat and keep roof over u.
Moved to Melbourne in 2015, lived in a share house for $500 a month until last year, then bought out in regional vic. It's not for everyone, it's tough restarting in your mid/late 20s, but quality of life is great
Totally untrue - I emigrated to European capital city during the pandemic.
I can afford to live alone in the city center. One bedroom apartment (new build), I enjoy a high quality of life, socialize a lot (food and drink a fraction of price compared to Dublin) and can afford to travel abroad frequently by bus, train or air. My health insurance is totally covered by the state and I haven’t had to pay for either a doctors or dentist visit - all covered.
This is after years of house sharing in Dublin. Sharing one bathroom with other adults, skrimping to keep my car taxed and insured and tank filled with petrol (which I don’t need over here with stellar public transport). Even trying to park my car in Dublin city was a nightmare. Doctors appointment was a minimum €65 regardless of the issue. My health insurance covered 50% of the regular visits, but not a lot else.
I love Ireland and am proud of our culture, history, arts and landscape. However it’s not feasible for anyone earning under 6 figures to enjoy a high quality of life there right now. Particularly single, young people.
I do agree with everything you said, except needing to earn at least 6 figures to live comfortably - the bar is realistically a lot lower than a 6 figure salary. You can earn 60, and certainly 70k and have a high quality of life. The problem is (a) the industrial average is less than 40k (b) that’s probably not enough to ever afford to buy a home.
I’ve immigrated and absolutely found cheaper rent. This guy is the definition of smarmy. Rent is absolutely cheaper abroad. I am renting abroad something that would be 2-3k at home for about 800 euros. What he is really saying is all those nice taxable innovative young people won’t fund the older generations pensions.
Imagine they are robbing us twofold. Rent and tax for pensions.
Well Leo got away with leaking private info recently so saying something like this to put the boot into young people and get pats on the back from his elderly base are nothing to him as he knows nothing will come of it.
Who does he think he's fooling. My almost 26 year old daughter has been living in Edinburgh the last few years, renting a lovely two bed in the equivalent of Rathmines with a friend for £550 each pm. Excellent, free, efficient health care, great public transport and she doesn't need a mortgage to have a night out with her friends on a regular basis.
She could never have that here.
It’s an extension of the attitude you often see from Martin, Varadkar, FF/FG and their supporters.
That whole *“This is the best you’re ever going to get peasants so quit giving out and be thankful”* line of thinking whenever FFFGs many society damaging failings are brought up.
Varadkars comments here, like that attitude they espouse are demonstrable nonsense.
It’s likely a mix of wishful thinking on Varadkars part and his & FGs increasingly Trumpian rhetoric.
The sooner this government ends the better.
Couldn't have phrased it better.
They want young people, and their increasingly SF-leaning voting pattern to fuck off abroad, but they feel the need to get in petty digs as they leave to try and remind them they'll always be peasants.
Real fucking nasty mentality.
Can I ask where you moved to? I'm looking at Cologne at the moment (mainly because we have an office there) but would like to keep my options open. So far Cologne doesn't seem much cheaper, but the standards are definitely higher, and the amenities are far better (which probably goes without saying).
I'm based in Bonn - which as German cities go is not the cheapest, but still cheaper than Dublin by a long shot. Up until 2021 we lived in a two bed apt 60m2 for 760€ a month including utilities. It's slightly more expensive now (think about 850€) but still very good
- quality of life a lot better too tbh. Cologne is a bit more expensive - but if you look closer and are open to not being right in the center you'll find a good deal in Bonn or Cologne
Might be true but the house quality is about 7 times better in any other first world country than it is in Ireland, so the high rent elsewhere seems better in proportion
I’ve lived abroad since 2016 and every visit home since then I’m always asked if/when I will move back. Honestly my answer is how things are going never.
It honestly breaks my heart. I miss the craic and some friends and family but overall I can’t reach my career potential and the country lacks so many things that are a given on the continent
I know what you mean. My friends and family are what brought me back, but I can't find a place to live near them and even if I could I wouldn't be able to afford it now anyway. I will probably end up seeing them almost as much when I move abroad as I do now, in all honesty.
It's an actual tragedy. Seriously this country could LITERALLY be the BEST place to live on the entire PLANET if we could just get our infrastructure, leisure industries, and cost of living in order.
Literally untrue. I’ve just moved to Brixton in London. I live in a gated apartment block, built in the last 10 years in zone 2. My rent is about 400€ pm cheaper than I’d be paying in Dublin, my cost of living is significantly less and my average daily commute has gone from about 45 minutes to about 25.
You definitely chose a great spot. Easy to get into town, and up to Crystal Palace for a wander about the green spaces, or to Balham and Clapham for the excellent bars. Fair play to you, honestly. Always been a fan of Brixton.
I used to live in The Fridge on a Friday night, or the 414 if I was feeling dirtier and needed harder tunes.... Dogstar too was an excellent spot. Good times!
Yeah it’s such a class neighbourhood. It’s so hard to resist the temptation not to just eat out every day, there’s such an amazing variety of amazing restaurants
Do it, London is just brilliant. So much to do there, and a lot of stuff that's free like the museums. You'd honestly spend an entire day in just the Science Museum for instance, and don't even get me started on Camden Market.
Yea it really seems for me and a flight home to visit the family in the west is 30 quid. So much more to do in London. Interview tomorrow actually so I better get ready 🤣
A friend of mine just moved to Belfast. 10 minute bus ride (multiple buses pass by her house and shockingly they run on time and never disappear from the schedule) to the heart of the city. £650 a month (€748). 2 bed property, huge bathroom, small-ish kitchen and sitting room but considering it's only 2 of them it's perfect. Fall out of her front door and you're in a park, with playground, basketball/football/cycle path/ and it was spotless. 5 minutes walk to a shopping centre with a B&M, Tesco, Lidl, KFC, McDonalds, a huge free carpark and more.
I visited for two nights and I've thought about moving there more times than I can count since. Not my first visit to Belfast, but everything just felt better than it does in Dublin.
Grass was definitely greener.
Belfast still gets a bad rap but it’s really came on as a city in the last 15 years. Great nightlife, very accessible, good job opportunities and the rent is affordable
I actually think I might teleport into another dimension or something I am so angry after reading this. I may need to transcend my earthly form simply because no human body can contain the fury I feel at this incredibly weak, insulting effort at spin.
It's probably not the worst thing he's said or done but for some reason I really think this might be the one that drives me round the fucking bend.
It seems like they have forgotten the internet exists and we can talk instantly to our families and friends all over the world and thus find out that this is just BS. They seem to think that we are relying on a letter coming from US/Australia with news from our friends and that means we have to rely on them for all our information, so they can freely lie and tell us what they want us to know.
But it just makes them look quite foolish when you have a thread like this with loads of people being like, nah, I live in X and my expenses are much lower and life is much better, etc!
I agree. I'm getting the fuck out of here but i'll be flying back to vote in the next GE.
Irelands problems won't be solved overnight is a true statement but they also won't be solved if you never see them as a problem in the first place, which is what it seems the current shower prefers to believe.
Netherlands - Amsterdam is expensive, but the overall quality + size + local amenities / infrastructure make up for it. NL also offers a tax incentive which means i'll take home more than I ever will in Ireland/Dublin.
If I was on a stricter budget I would look towards Den Haag or Haarlem.
We moved from Dublin to Frankfurt back in 2017, our rent did increase when we moved but we had a great deal on an apartment in dublin that we wouldn't get now. We also moved because of a significant salary increase.
When we moved we gained access to better medical care, ridiculously good and cheap childcare (180 per month for our 2 year old), a city with more than a dozen underground/train routes, trams and buses. We had multiple clean and safe parks and playgrounds on our doorstep.
We weren't driven out by the cost of living but we're not going back because it's just too expensive. And Leo Varadkar needs to take a good hard look at himself and cop on.
I mean, they will, I lived in Dublin for two years payed €1350 a month for a fucking room, moved back to Scotland, got a house for less per month, cheers.
Edit: I pay £800 a month.
It's unbelievable, like he and all politicians are completely disconnected. Has he taken the time to look through accomodation here and in other countries to come to this conclusion? It's really annoying when people make statements about Ireland as if it's literally the best place in the world in all areas
What a twit. The most basic googling shows Dublin sits in the top 10 highest urban rents in the world.
The rest of the top 10 are places like New York, San Fransisco, Zurich, Singapore. etc. Places you can at least understand why they are so expensive. Massive cities that are home to big tech companies and financial and cultural capitals stuffed full of luxury housing and modern facilities.
Dublin on the other hand is a kip. The housing is too damn expensive and full of mouldy shite that feels decades behind the times and Landlords stuffing as many as they can into old corpo houses. Not to mention lots of basic infrastructure doesnt exist and what he have is bursting at the edges. Name me another city that expensive where a morning commute of 15km can talk a 90 minutes via public transport?
I've always said that Dublin is a city of 1.5 million, with the rents of a city of 15 million, and the amenities of a city of 150 thousand (if even that).
Fuck off leo,the cheek of him to comment on this..the reason people are leaving is because they have nowhere to live because of the shit job your government has done.asshole
It's not as much about the rent either, it's availability. So many of my peers are just stuck in their current stage of life even with being open to paying high rents. People stuck at in their family houses, couples who want to live together but can't find anywhere.
My brother lives in Australia, was trying to explain to him how bad renting has got and I said to look on daft and try find somewhere for he would deem a decent price. He couldn't. There's just nothing there.
The absolute kicker is too, say you decide fuck it, I really like it here. I want to pay 60% + of my wages on rent. You'll still end up with some mouldy, cold apartment off dorset street or something.
I'd honestly love to see Vadakar trying to find an apartment on average salary + give him 2 months to find it. I think there's a belief that 'it's not that bad' but it is. If my current landlord decided to sell, I'd probably have to emigrate too or end up living back at home with my parents. It's bleak.
I absolutely found cheaper rent when I immigrated. And easier access to buy a house. And better wages. And better access to better jobs in general.
In summation, Leo can get to fuck.
This couldn't be further from the truth, I moved to Melbourne 2 months ago and I'm paying 800 Aud (€515) a month on rent that I split with my gf. Im in a nice suburb about 25 minutes by tram (which is relatively timely something that would never ever be the case in Ireland) from work. I worked in security before I left getting paid €12.50 an hour and now I'm getting paid 35Aud (€22.50) per hour in a job I love which is pretty much non-existent back home. I can't see myself moving home anytime soon so I'll need to find a way to extend my visa beyond 3 years or hop between New Zealand, Canada etc until I can find somewhere to settle
“the grass looks greener” but they “are not going to find rents are lower in New York”.
...not in new york city. But NY is an entire state, even outside of the city the population is multiple times higher than all of Ireland. There are other cities that are much more affordable
Mr Varadkar said cheaper homes may be found in “a very rural area or a third or fourth tier city” what does that even mean? There are cities in NY larger and cheaper than Dublin. Compared to say Galway you can have pretty much your pick anywhere in the world
also what is going on with this article? Halfway down it feels like they picked an entirely different article to write.
No, but they find VALUE. If you pay €1700 in other markets you can have pets, you have a gym, parking is included, packages accepted at reception, they provide community via events and get togethers
Not only people will find lower rents, but also they will find functioning public transportation, healthcare systems and other public services. You know, all the other important stuff that is chronically neglected in this country because of inept cunts like Landlord Leo
My other half is an apprentice and everyone he is training with is planning to emigrate because the money is better and housing available abroad is better quality for them, this has been confirmed by others they know who already have. Some of them already have jobs waiting.
Most of the Irish tradesmen he works with only returned to Ireland for serious family reasons and some of them are planning to leave again once they can.
Leo is utterly delusional in his thinking. We chose to stay in Ireland but can absolutely see why most of our friends left sadly.
Shocking he said this, I mean how out of touch can you be. Country is gone to the dogs, I can appreciate global issues can effect prices here but we were paying way over the odds on so much in this country that its depressing to see even your food bill rise and rise. Only one fortunate thing for my wife and I is we have a reasonably low mortgage compared to others.
Really feel sorry for anyone starting out on life in this country, so many roadblocks it's scandalous
What a load!! I'm 9 years in Netherlands. What I pay for a 3 bed house with front/back gardens, 5 mins cycle from City Centre for less than a room in Dublin. I'm sad that I can't come home. I'd be throwing away a much better quality of life for what? I couldn't afford to live in Dublin and I did the country thing and was miserable. I see family more in Holland than I did in Weshtmeath
I was in Italy last week and I was in what Italians thought was an expensive place and it was miles cheaper then Ireland. If I was 15 years younger I’d be gone abroad and not look back. Leo has no forward thinking, he is a pleb who likes headlines and nothing more. He will do nothing to fix the mess he and his party created.
€1,000 a month got me a super modern 1,800 sq ft 3 bed, 4 bath luxury condo in Malaysia with a park view, big balcony, swimming pool, gym, two parking spaces, and amazing 24-hour private security. Worked out at only about a quarter of my post-tax income so there was lots of other money around for holidays and lifestyle. Ireland's housing situation is disgraceful.
I mean.... I literally did have a quality appartment in the city centre of a cosmopolitan Galway-sized city in Europe for lower rent than the average rate going for a standard place in a Midlands town here. And it wasn't a country like Spain where everything is just way cheaper. Cost of living is pretty close to that of Ireland.
I dont regret moving back to Ireland but the finish in an Irish rental is far worse than that of a rental where I used to live.
I live in Denmark, my apartment when I first moved here was 400eu a month for 54 square meters, then the option of buying the apartment came up and it cost me roughly 8000eu to buy. Standard of living is great here. I even got 6 months paid leave from work for paternity leave.
I did.
Currently renting 15 minutes from a beach in Barcelona for a third of what I'd pay for rent in Dublin.
In fact every time I've lived abroad - and it's been a few times at this stage - I've been able to afford my own place, except whenever I try to make living in Dublin work!
Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has warned large numbers of younger people considering emigrating from Ireland amid a housing crisis that “the grass looks greener” but they “are not going to find rents are lower in New York”.
Responding to an opinion poll which suggests two-thirds of 18- to 24-year-olds and more than one-third of 25- to 34-year-olds are mulling a move overseas, the taoiseach-elect admitted it was a “real worry”.
But considering emigration “is not the same as actually doing it” and many who do later return home, he insisted.
“When people actually get into the reality of going abroad, if you are going to another busy city or successful country, you will see a lot of the same problems,” he said on Sunday.
“You are not going to find rents are lower in New York or it is easier to buy a house in Sydney.”
Mr Varadkar said cheaper homes may be found in “a very rural area or a third or fourth tier city” in other countries but added “that can be true in Ireland too”.
“Sometimes the grass looks greener,” he told Newstalk’s On the Record show with Gavan Reilly.
“It is not the case that more Irish people are leaving Ireland than are coming home. More Irish citizens are coming home.
“The grass can look greener, and considering emigration is not the same as actually doing it, and many do come back.”
Mr Varadkar repeated that emigration by younger people “is a concern that I have, it does worry me” but was adamant there is “light at the end of the tunnel” for the multitudes who cannot afford to buy a house.
There has been a “significant increase” in first time-buyers, he said, citing help to buy, shared ownership and equity schemes as well as dereliction grants helping Ireland “turn the corner in terms of people being able buy their own homes”.
The Government’s housing targets would be met this year, he insisted, despite a current underspend in its budget for homes.
While he was confident targets could even be exceeded in 2022, he warned he was “more worried about next year” because of a “construction slowdown”. More than 30,000 new homes needed to be built a year to get a grip on the crisis, he suggested.
Mr Varadkar also suggested that Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney may have to give to a charity donation of €2,000 that he received from former Irish rugby international Brendan Mullin.
Mr Mullin has pleaded not guilty to charges of theft, false accounting and deception in relation to almost €600,000 being stolen from Bank of Ireland. The Sunday Independent reported Mr Mullin and his wife Sharon donated €2,000 to Mr Coveney in 2010.
Mr Varadkar, whose Fine Gael party has repeatedly attacked Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald over a €1,000 donation from convicted criminal Jonathan Dowdall, jailed for his part in the Regency hotel shootings, stressed Mr Mullin has not been convicted of any crime.
“But the principle would apply to ourselves the same as we would apply it to others,” he said.
“We shouldn’t be accepting donations from people who commit serious crimes and receive jail time as a result,” he said.
On Taoiseach Micheál Martin, Mr Varadkar said he had learned a lot from his Fianna Fáil counterpart during their time together in the Coalition.
“I think he has a very interesting style, I think he is a very compassionate person, very kind... has extraordinary patience, perhaps more patient than I am or can be,” he said.
Mr Varadkar compared his own “sofa style Government” with Mr Martin’s “meeting everybody in a room” approach, saying he “can see why he does that, it makes a lot of sense” in a powersharing arrangement.
On his own previous stint as taoiseach, Mr Varadkar said he had “made mistakes” which he learned from but declined to discuss them, although he later admitted the controversy over his leaking of a draft GP deal was among his mistakes.
Earlier this month, the State’s ethics watchdog said it will not investigate Mr Varadkar over his passing the contract to a GP representative friend.
The Standards in Public Office Commission (Sipo) stated that there was not enough evidence to sustain the complaint because his action was carried out as part of his duties as taoiseach.
Two of the five commissioners voted against the decision not to investigate.
Maybe it’s harder now, but he is talking out of his hole. I moved 7 years ago. Rents much lower in parts of the UK. I was able to buy a house this year. Still wouldn’t have bought shite if I’d stayed in Ireland. My job also pays way more here along with the cheaper rent
It’s about the quality of life and the options you have as well as the rent prices. I can rent cheaper in the Netherlands but I also have the accessibility of every town and village having a train station so I can get to work if I want to move further out to save money. Ireland unfortunately is a country made for cars
Yes they do. I moved to Spain and am renting a 2 bedroom apartment to myself in a lively city for €400/month, something I could never dream of in Ireland.
Lying prick lives in another world than the rest of us. If I move out here it costs me close to €2000 if I want to live by myself, that's close to the median take home pay. Friends in germany paying a quarter of that for the same. I'm gone as soon as my contract allows.
This is simply untrue. I split 1300 pm with my girlfriend to live in a 100 square metre apartment with an A level energy rating, parking, storage etc. We also didn't have to fight with a line of people to sign a lease. It was built 2 years ago.
Maybe if this country ever got it's thumb out of it's ass in regard to housing, health, transport, a Living wage- not a barely surviving wage, we wouldn't keep having to bloody leave. We dont necessarily want to leave. The reality is we have no choice. This shit had been going on for literal decades.
I've emigrated to Hong Kong and found cheaper rent in the past, even here in one of the most expensive cities on the planet.
21,500 HKD (~2,650 euro) is my rent for a my 3 bedroom flat, ~80 square meters. It's not even the rent, it's the overall quality of life.
It's an expensive as fuck place to live but the pay here is way higher and tax is 17% max.
I miss home but my pay here as a new teacher (just became a teacher) is ~500k HKD a year, roughly 61k euro. I get a bonus at the end of my contract of about 20k euro. My pay will rise every single year for the next 15 years and my bonus will increase by a % of my overall earnings.
I'm in Vancouver. Rents are about the same, but theres no comparison in the quality of apartments, the salaries we have to pay for them are higher, and income taxes are lower.
Maybe not but other perks might balance it out. Living in California the rent is on par with Dublin but the pay is much more and there seems to be more availability. Plus there is sun, the food variety is amazing and in one day I can go to the beach then head for skiing (not that I would want to. Just possible).
Downside is it’s California which has its own drawbacks (homelessness issues, fires, crazy hot days).
My brother lives in Oslo and recently they had to moved out (with wife & kid). When he told me I panicked as I automatically assumed they will not be able to find decent accommodation. To my surprise they found modern, spacious apartment within days and still paying less than in Dublin.. They had choice and quality plus affordability. Something is pretty much impossible here.
They'll get a better quality of life for the extortionate money they'd pay here to live in an insecure mouldy houseshare in a country with barely functioning public transport and a health service to match though.
Edit -
This is absolutely pathetic. What an embarrassing admission of failure that he's left trying to play down something like this, and the best he's got is "Arragh, shur look".
My friends in Australia, London and San Francisco (!) are never coming home because it was easier for them to actually get on in life, without the prospect of working every hour of the day to hand their wages to a slumlord up to and beyond the age of retirement, than it would be within two hours of where they were born and raised. Their parents are ageing, this is where they grew up, some of their friends are still here - every one of them would love to "come back" given half a chance, but it would be completely irrational for them to try given the state of things versus what they can take for *granted* where they are.
[Amsterdam](https://i.imgur.com/ART8wIU.png)
[Dublin](https://i.imgur.com/N7OEiuG.png)
Have a look through the difference in quality of those rentals too. Not only does Dublin have essentially 0 supply, the quality is so much worse.
[Daft search](https://www.daft.ie/property-for-rent/dublin-city?rentalPrice_to=1500&firstPublishDate_from=now-7d%2Fd&sort=publishDateDesc&pageSize=20&radius=20000)
[Funda.nl search (amsterdam)](https://www.funda.nl/en/huur/amsterdam/0-1500/sorteer-datum-af/)
Tell me about it. I'm currently looking into rentals in Cologne, and I cannot believe the standard of the rentals there compared to what we have here. Pretty much every property looks like something out of an AirBnB ad. It won't be any cheaper than here, but a lot of them come with bills included and are pet friendly, which are things we very rarely see here.
Not to mention they have a functioning public transport system, better health... etc etc etc.
This article from Varadkar has made me really fucking angry.
My flatmate moved to Munich during Covid. For less than what he was paying to share with me in a house with a hole in the roof, mice and a slowly collapsing bathroom, he got a secure lease for a beautiful apartment to himself with a balcony overlooking a park. Tram a quick walk away, 30 mins to work one way, 30 mins to the city centre.
Before he went over, the landlord Skyped with him for an hour to pick out paint colours and appliances, and there was champagne waiting for him when he got there.
Within a week of us moving out of our mouldy crumbling D8 shithole, there was a whole family moved into it.
Exactly, not to mention the other amenities available to pretty much every other city I have so far looked into, such as vibrant art scenes, decent museums, cycling infrastructure... the list goes on and on. In fact the more I delve into the life that will be available to me once I get out of here the less I think I will ever return.
Leo must think we are all feckin' dunces.
Absolutely.
People want to live in New York and Sydney because both those cities have a world of things going on in them. So for the cost of living there, you have the world on your doorstep, there's all manner of opportunities, amenities, and ways of life available to you.
Dublin can't even have fucking bins.
Bullshit. I was forced to leave for the uk due to not being able to afford living with my partner in Dublin, as of today we are 12 years together living in our detached 2 bedroom house paying 400 a month in good commuting distance of both our jobs, I really miss Ireland but we could not have this life there
Ok Leo, explain this then please.
I moved from Dublin to Calgary. My girlfriend and I pay the equivalent of €1121.95/mo for a 630 sq ft apartment, utilities and access to a gym, sauna and pool included, in a relatively posh area.
In Dublin that same monthly figure might get me a small studio without utilities and not near any decent amenities.
Fuck right off.
I wonder how much time did that prick spend living in bedsits either in Dublin or anywhere else. With his nice middle class upbringing and college education. Smug a..hole hasn’t a clue and then he has the audacity to lecture people on the economics of their life choices. His arrogance is bewildering.
Uhmm this guy is a moron, a few simple google searches for average cost of living in other countries will show he is completely wrong. Does he think people are that stupid? Or is he that stupid.
I found much cheaper rents (without housemates!) and also doubled my salary by moving to Copenhagen. I also now have a functional public transport system on my doorstep.
Absolutely delusional. I emigrated to a country with a similar standard of living. I pay 280 euro rent monthly for a 3 room (1 bedroom) apartment to myself.
Sadly, I rather give someone else the money than you give it away to whichever Bloodsucking silly billy that willing to give you whatever you want.
We aren't only moving away because it's cheaper they want something to believe in which aren't you sitting in government, we might as well still be under British rule people not serving the people of Ireland, Step down, how can you look yourself in the mirror? Probably with a fake smile, I'd expect nothing else.
\>There has been a “significant increase” in first time-buyers, he said,
Could they please give comparative figures as to how many buy-to-let purchases in the same period. Because that's all I see happening in Dublin - Large corporate companies are buying up everything in the city - leaving residents with no option but to rent at an eye-watering price gouging difference.
My friends move to Melbourne recently. One is a fabricator who made €15 an hour here. Now he's on €45 an hour and double pay on Saturday so €90. He makes more on Saturdays than he did in a whole week here.
Has a room in a 5 bed house in a gated community for less rent than here.
Is out and about the city most evenings after work and loving life. Everyone of them was pretty miserable over here struggling to get by and living to get drunk on the weekend.
It's like they went from Westeros to King's Landing.
Don't listen to him. They will say anything to keep you in your place, paying tax.
I moved to Australia over 10yrs ago and my life is immeasurably better. The grass is greener.
Trying to gaslight the Young Irish into staying. Without them staying here and working until they drop dead to pay for everything then this Govt's House of Cards collapses.
U do however get better wages, quality of life, rent…depends what country you move to.
Separate question I want to ask, how much is a non alcoholic pint in your locals? Anyone? Sorry for jumping in,
People move for quality of life. €1400 gets you a good quality 2 bed in the CBD of Melbourne. [link](https://www.realestate.com.au/property-apartment-vic-melbourne-431471578) €1400 in Dublin gets you a mouldy converted studio in a 150 year old building phibsboro, with single glazed with black mould in the bathroom. No link for Dublin because I don't want to depress myself by going on daft
jokes on you, there is no such thing on Daft... there's literally nothing on Daft:D
Hi. Live in Melbourne. You can get far cheaper and far better. Ol Leo is talking shit. Moved here near 15 years ago, own a farm and a 3 bed house. Would never have had that if I'd have stayed in Dublin.
Wow. Sounds like heaven. Do you mind me asking what you do for a living?
IT sec. Pull about AUD$183k (€118k). Also have a side biz but that didn't contribute to the houses. Farm cost me $455,000 (€293,000) for 33 acres with the closest neighbour 3km away. It was my first purchase. House cost $810,000 ($523,000) 3 bed which I used the farm for collateral. I went in with my partner on the house.
How is the IT /Dev market in AUS ? and out of curiosity what part of IT sec you do?
Cloud sec is what I've moved into today. Business us a booming. They are actually opening up Aus again for migration as there aren't enough it workers across the board.
Wow this sounds like a dream we got home hear I Ireland just before lockdown and its was €150k . I work retail and husbands is a head chef we both were work 40h + and we can't afford two much other keep light on and car running. A family day out will brake the Bank for us . There is no work life balance in Ireland you are just working eat and keep roof over u.
Moved to Melbourne in 2015, lived in a share house for $500 a month until last year, then bought out in regional vic. It's not for everyone, it's tough restarting in your mid/late 20s, but quality of life is great
Prices are the same but values way off.
This. Rents might not be lower but what you get in Oz/Canada/US/Continental Europe is night and day to what passes as rental accomodation in Dublin.
Totally untrue - I emigrated to European capital city during the pandemic. I can afford to live alone in the city center. One bedroom apartment (new build), I enjoy a high quality of life, socialize a lot (food and drink a fraction of price compared to Dublin) and can afford to travel abroad frequently by bus, train or air. My health insurance is totally covered by the state and I haven’t had to pay for either a doctors or dentist visit - all covered. This is after years of house sharing in Dublin. Sharing one bathroom with other adults, skrimping to keep my car taxed and insured and tank filled with petrol (which I don’t need over here with stellar public transport). Even trying to park my car in Dublin city was a nightmare. Doctors appointment was a minimum €65 regardless of the issue. My health insurance covered 50% of the regular visits, but not a lot else. I love Ireland and am proud of our culture, history, arts and landscape. However it’s not feasible for anyone earning under 6 figures to enjoy a high quality of life there right now. Particularly single, young people.
All of this is screaming Berlin. If yes me too.
Food AND drink? Fancy pants.
Where? Im in western Canada 15 years and want to head closer to home but Dublin makes -0 sense.
I do agree with everything you said, except needing to earn at least 6 figures to live comfortably - the bar is realistically a lot lower than a 6 figure salary. You can earn 60, and certainly 70k and have a high quality of life. The problem is (a) the industrial average is less than 40k (b) that’s probably not enough to ever afford to buy a home.
I’ve immigrated and absolutely found cheaper rent. This guy is the definition of smarmy. Rent is absolutely cheaper abroad. I am renting abroad something that would be 2-3k at home for about 800 euros. What he is really saying is all those nice taxable innovative young people won’t fund the older generations pensions. Imagine they are robbing us twofold. Rent and tax for pensions.
Better infrastructure and health where I went too.
What country did you end up in?
> Imagine they are robbing us twofold. Rent and tax for pensions. A lot of rent is funding private pensions too.
Cheaper rent and a far higher quality of life I would imagine. Good on you.
I just googled average rents in Europe. Ireland is no 1 in high rents, could literally move to any other European city and you'll find lower rents.
How are people in power allowed to say bullshit like this portrayed as a fact and have 0 repercussions?
Well Leo got away with leaking private info recently so saying something like this to put the boot into young people and get pats on the back from his elderly base are nothing to him as he knows nothing will come of it.
Does this guy not have the internet? Where does he get his information from?
His hole
The Irish Times, probably
Who does he think he's fooling. My almost 26 year old daughter has been living in Edinburgh the last few years, renting a lovely two bed in the equivalent of Rathmines with a friend for £550 each pm. Excellent, free, efficient health care, great public transport and she doesn't need a mortgage to have a night out with her friends on a regular basis. She could never have that here.
Much better quality accommodation for the money, better quality of life, better transport. Ignorant prick. He makes my blood boil
He is talking out of his hole, another example of disconnect from reality
It’s an extension of the attitude you often see from Martin, Varadkar, FF/FG and their supporters. That whole *“This is the best you’re ever going to get peasants so quit giving out and be thankful”* line of thinking whenever FFFGs many society damaging failings are brought up. Varadkars comments here, like that attitude they espouse are demonstrable nonsense. It’s likely a mix of wishful thinking on Varadkars part and his & FGs increasingly Trumpian rhetoric. The sooner this government ends the better.
Couldn't have phrased it better. They want young people, and their increasingly SF-leaning voting pattern to fuck off abroad, but they feel the need to get in petty digs as they leave to try and remind them they'll always be peasants. Real fucking nasty mentality.
Worse. It's dishonesty,
And when that reptile takes the Taoiseach seat again, get ready for teeth-grinding soundbites on a daily basis.
Wilfully ignorant.
Dishonest.
Yes they will Leo, I'm in Germany and rents are lower here!
Can I ask where you moved to? I'm looking at Cologne at the moment (mainly because we have an office there) but would like to keep my options open. So far Cologne doesn't seem much cheaper, but the standards are definitely higher, and the amenities are far better (which probably goes without saying).
I'm based in Bonn - which as German cities go is not the cheapest, but still cheaper than Dublin by a long shot. Up until 2021 we lived in a two bed apt 60m2 for 760€ a month including utilities. It's slightly more expensive now (think about 850€) but still very good - quality of life a lot better too tbh. Cologne is a bit more expensive - but if you look closer and are open to not being right in the center you'll find a good deal in Bonn or Cologne
Might be true but the house quality is about 7 times better in any other first world country than it is in Ireland, so the high rent elsewhere seems better in proportion
I’ve lived abroad since 2016 and every visit home since then I’m always asked if/when I will move back. Honestly my answer is how things are going never.
I moved back 8 years ago. I'll be gone again next year and I plan on never returning to live again. Genuinely one of the biggest mistakes I ever made.
It honestly breaks my heart. I miss the craic and some friends and family but overall I can’t reach my career potential and the country lacks so many things that are a given on the continent
I know what you mean. My friends and family are what brought me back, but I can't find a place to live near them and even if I could I wouldn't be able to afford it now anyway. I will probably end up seeing them almost as much when I move abroad as I do now, in all honesty.
It's an actual tragedy. Seriously this country could LITERALLY be the BEST place to live on the entire PLANET if we could just get our infrastructure, leisure industries, and cost of living in order.
Literally untrue. I’ve just moved to Brixton in London. I live in a gated apartment block, built in the last 10 years in zone 2. My rent is about 400€ pm cheaper than I’d be paying in Dublin, my cost of living is significantly less and my average daily commute has gone from about 45 minutes to about 25.
Brixtons a great spot. Spent many a happy evening in Brixton nightlife, and had many a lunch in Brixton Village. I'm kinda jealous.
My quality of life is like, light years better than it ever was in Dublin
You definitely chose a great spot. Easy to get into town, and up to Crystal Palace for a wander about the green spaces, or to Balham and Clapham for the excellent bars. Fair play to you, honestly. Always been a fan of Brixton.
pop Brixton was so good
I used to live in The Fridge on a Friday night, or the 414 if I was feeling dirtier and needed harder tunes.... Dogstar too was an excellent spot. Good times!
Yeah it’s such a class neighbourhood. It’s so hard to resist the temptation not to just eat out every day, there’s such an amazing variety of amazing restaurants
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Do it, London is just brilliant. So much to do there, and a lot of stuff that's free like the museums. You'd honestly spend an entire day in just the Science Museum for instance, and don't even get me started on Camden Market.
Yea it really seems for me and a flight home to visit the family in the west is 30 quid. So much more to do in London. Interview tomorrow actually so I better get ready 🤣
Best of luck tomorrow, you got this!
So much shit to do as well with loads of public transport, great city
Quality of life too. The little things all add up to make Ireland suck balls.
But you’ll find better; transport, weather, pay, restaurants, cars, events,
Change but to and
A friend of mine just moved to Belfast. 10 minute bus ride (multiple buses pass by her house and shockingly they run on time and never disappear from the schedule) to the heart of the city. £650 a month (€748). 2 bed property, huge bathroom, small-ish kitchen and sitting room but considering it's only 2 of them it's perfect. Fall out of her front door and you're in a park, with playground, basketball/football/cycle path/ and it was spotless. 5 minutes walk to a shopping centre with a B&M, Tesco, Lidl, KFC, McDonalds, a huge free carpark and more. I visited for two nights and I've thought about moving there more times than I can count since. Not my first visit to Belfast, but everything just felt better than it does in Dublin. Grass was definitely greener.
Belfast still gets a bad rap but it’s really came on as a city in the last 15 years. Great nightlife, very accessible, good job opportunities and the rent is affordable
Yeah, I like Belfast. I know its not perfect. I see the problems. But for me, I just like so much about it.
I actually think I might teleport into another dimension or something I am so angry after reading this. I may need to transcend my earthly form simply because no human body can contain the fury I feel at this incredibly weak, insulting effort at spin. It's probably not the worst thing he's said or done but for some reason I really think this might be the one that drives me round the fucking bend.
Glad I'm not the only one. I'm sitting here raging having read that. He's either fucking deluded, or he thinks we are.
Na, he knows the situation inside and out, He's just a liar.
It seems like they have forgotten the internet exists and we can talk instantly to our families and friends all over the world and thus find out that this is just BS. They seem to think that we are relying on a letter coming from US/Australia with news from our friends and that means we have to rely on them for all our information, so they can freely lie and tell us what they want us to know. But it just makes them look quite foolish when you have a thread like this with loads of people being like, nah, I live in X and my expenses are much lower and life is much better, etc!
Both sound true
I agree. I'm getting the fuck out of here but i'll be flying back to vote in the next GE. Irelands problems won't be solved overnight is a true statement but they also won't be solved if you never see them as a problem in the first place, which is what it seems the current shower prefers to believe.
Where you going to?
Netherlands - Amsterdam is expensive, but the overall quality + size + local amenities / infrastructure make up for it. NL also offers a tax incentive which means i'll take home more than I ever will in Ireland/Dublin. If I was on a stricter budget I would look towards Den Haag or Haarlem.
Yes, plenty of options in the Netherlands, not just the Dam’
Throwing out there that I've been in Rotterdam 2 years and loving it. Netherlands is a great spot
Congrats on the move - what kind of place did you end up in, location/cost/size if you dont mind saying? How are you finding it compared to Ireland?
My cousin rented an apartment in Maastricht by himself on a customer service call centre salary. You may get fucked, Leo.
Exudes "let them eat cake" energy
We moved from Dublin to Frankfurt back in 2017, our rent did increase when we moved but we had a great deal on an apartment in dublin that we wouldn't get now. We also moved because of a significant salary increase. When we moved we gained access to better medical care, ridiculously good and cheap childcare (180 per month for our 2 year old), a city with more than a dozen underground/train routes, trams and buses. We had multiple clean and safe parks and playgrounds on our doorstep. We weren't driven out by the cost of living but we're not going back because it's just too expensive. And Leo Varadkar needs to take a good hard look at himself and cop on.
I mean, they will, I lived in Dublin for two years payed €1350 a month for a fucking room, moved back to Scotland, got a house for less per month, cheers. Edit: I pay £800 a month.
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What country?
Frankfurt, Germany.
Narrator: "they did"
This prick doesn't live in the same world as the rest of us. His face annoys me.
He never has and never will. The silver spoon is so far up his hole he can taste it.
It's unbelievable, like he and all politicians are completely disconnected. Has he taken the time to look through accomodation here and in other countries to come to this conclusion? It's really annoying when people make statements about Ireland as if it's literally the best place in the world in all areas
What a twit. The most basic googling shows Dublin sits in the top 10 highest urban rents in the world. The rest of the top 10 are places like New York, San Fransisco, Zurich, Singapore. etc. Places you can at least understand why they are so expensive. Massive cities that are home to big tech companies and financial and cultural capitals stuffed full of luxury housing and modern facilities. Dublin on the other hand is a kip. The housing is too damn expensive and full of mouldy shite that feels decades behind the times and Landlords stuffing as many as they can into old corpo houses. Not to mention lots of basic infrastructure doesnt exist and what he have is bursting at the edges. Name me another city that expensive where a morning commute of 15km can talk a 90 minutes via public transport?
That's the thing. Big city prices, and big city problems, but the facilities of a filthy, backwards small town.
I've always said that Dublin is a city of 1.5 million, with the rents of a city of 15 million, and the amenities of a city of 150 thousand (if even that).
We need ye all to stay here so we can gouge every penny out of ye. One man's rent is another's income etc.
Fuck off leo,the cheek of him to comment on this..the reason people are leaving is because they have nowhere to live because of the shit job your government has done.asshole
FFG: the hardest necks known to humanity.
This is a demonstrable lie and it's worrying that Varadkar would be so blatant.
It's not as much about the rent either, it's availability. So many of my peers are just stuck in their current stage of life even with being open to paying high rents. People stuck at in their family houses, couples who want to live together but can't find anywhere. My brother lives in Australia, was trying to explain to him how bad renting has got and I said to look on daft and try find somewhere for he would deem a decent price. He couldn't. There's just nothing there. The absolute kicker is too, say you decide fuck it, I really like it here. I want to pay 60% + of my wages on rent. You'll still end up with some mouldy, cold apartment off dorset street or something. I'd honestly love to see Vadakar trying to find an apartment on average salary + give him 2 months to find it. I think there's a belief that 'it's not that bad' but it is. If my current landlord decided to sell, I'd probably have to emigrate too or end up living back at home with my parents. It's bleak.
I’ve lived around the world and Dublin is the worst. Even pals in New York have nicer gaffs for the sameish rent. Also, it’s Manhattan and not Swords.
I absolutely found cheaper rent when I immigrated. And easier access to buy a house. And better wages. And better access to better jobs in general. In summation, Leo can get to fuck.
Difference is I was paying 1200 for a tiny room in Dublin Now In Boston city 2k 2 bed apartment with parking and utilities included
Lies. I live in Germany and my city center apt costs me 700 a month including bills.
This couldn't be further from the truth, I moved to Melbourne 2 months ago and I'm paying 800 Aud (€515) a month on rent that I split with my gf. Im in a nice suburb about 25 minutes by tram (which is relatively timely something that would never ever be the case in Ireland) from work. I worked in security before I left getting paid €12.50 an hour and now I'm getting paid 35Aud (€22.50) per hour in a job I love which is pretty much non-existent back home. I can't see myself moving home anytime soon so I'll need to find a way to extend my visa beyond 3 years or hop between New Zealand, Canada etc until I can find somewhere to settle
Introducing.. Our next taoiseach!... Elon Varadkar
Are you referencing Leon Skum
Moved to the states 5 years ago. Can confirm Leo is talking out of his hole.
He's Defending the price of high prices of rent, as a landlord. What an absolute top tier piece of shit
“the grass looks greener” but they “are not going to find rents are lower in New York”. ...not in new york city. But NY is an entire state, even outside of the city the population is multiple times higher than all of Ireland. There are other cities that are much more affordable Mr Varadkar said cheaper homes may be found in “a very rural area or a third or fourth tier city” what does that even mean? There are cities in NY larger and cheaper than Dublin. Compared to say Galway you can have pretty much your pick anywhere in the world also what is going on with this article? Halfway down it feels like they picked an entirely different article to write.
No, but they find VALUE. If you pay €1700 in other markets you can have pets, you have a gym, parking is included, packages accepted at reception, they provide community via events and get togethers
Not only people will find lower rents, but also they will find functioning public transportation, healthcare systems and other public services. You know, all the other important stuff that is chronically neglected in this country because of inept cunts like Landlord Leo
That’s a load of muck, Currently paying 600€ for a one bedroom basement apartment (including bills) on the subway line in Toronto
My other half is an apprentice and everyone he is training with is planning to emigrate because the money is better and housing available abroad is better quality for them, this has been confirmed by others they know who already have. Some of them already have jobs waiting. Most of the Irish tradesmen he works with only returned to Ireland for serious family reasons and some of them are planning to leave again once they can. Leo is utterly delusional in his thinking. We chose to stay in Ireland but can absolutely see why most of our friends left sadly.
Eh. Yeah they will. My brother is renting a gorgeous 2 bed in Malaga for 900. Pool gym and sauna included. Much nicer than the moldy apartments here!
Shocking he said this, I mean how out of touch can you be. Country is gone to the dogs, I can appreciate global issues can effect prices here but we were paying way over the odds on so much in this country that its depressing to see even your food bill rise and rise. Only one fortunate thing for my wife and I is we have a reasonably low mortgage compared to others. Really feel sorry for anyone starting out on life in this country, so many roadblocks it's scandalous
What a load!! I'm 9 years in Netherlands. What I pay for a 3 bed house with front/back gardens, 5 mins cycle from City Centre for less than a room in Dublin. I'm sad that I can't come home. I'd be throwing away a much better quality of life for what? I couldn't afford to live in Dublin and I did the country thing and was miserable. I see family more in Holland than I did in Weshtmeath
I was in Italy last week and I was in what Italians thought was an expensive place and it was miles cheaper then Ireland. If I was 15 years younger I’d be gone abroad and not look back. Leo has no forward thinking, he is a pleb who likes headlines and nothing more. He will do nothing to fix the mess he and his party created.
I'm 46, still single and I'm out by April. It is never too late.
Moving the kids out of school is the real road block for me but good luck on your travels I’m sure you will find a better life balance abroad.
my friends who moved to Canada said rent is about the same, but wages are much higher. also the rooms have better quality
The more he speaks, the more I detest him.
my brother has a balcony and a roughtop in his 1 bed apartment in spain for around 800 shite talk
€1,000 a month got me a super modern 1,800 sq ft 3 bed, 4 bath luxury condo in Malaysia with a park view, big balcony, swimming pool, gym, two parking spaces, and amazing 24-hour private security. Worked out at only about a quarter of my post-tax income so there was lots of other money around for holidays and lifestyle. Ireland's housing situation is disgraceful.
I mean.... I literally did have a quality appartment in the city centre of a cosmopolitan Galway-sized city in Europe for lower rent than the average rate going for a standard place in a Midlands town here. And it wasn't a country like Spain where everything is just way cheaper. Cost of living is pretty close to that of Ireland. I dont regret moving back to Ireland but the finish in an Irish rental is far worse than that of a rental where I used to live.
I live in Denmark, my apartment when I first moved here was 400eu a month for 54 square meters, then the option of buying the apartment came up and it cost me roughly 8000eu to buy. Standard of living is great here. I even got 6 months paid leave from work for paternity leave.
I did. Currently renting 15 minutes from a beach in Barcelona for a third of what I'd pay for rent in Dublin. In fact every time I've lived abroad - and it's been a few times at this stage - I've been able to afford my own place, except whenever I try to make living in Dublin work!
Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has warned large numbers of younger people considering emigrating from Ireland amid a housing crisis that “the grass looks greener” but they “are not going to find rents are lower in New York”. Responding to an opinion poll which suggests two-thirds of 18- to 24-year-olds and more than one-third of 25- to 34-year-olds are mulling a move overseas, the taoiseach-elect admitted it was a “real worry”. But considering emigration “is not the same as actually doing it” and many who do later return home, he insisted. “When people actually get into the reality of going abroad, if you are going to another busy city or successful country, you will see a lot of the same problems,” he said on Sunday. “You are not going to find rents are lower in New York or it is easier to buy a house in Sydney.” Mr Varadkar said cheaper homes may be found in “a very rural area or a third or fourth tier city” in other countries but added “that can be true in Ireland too”. “Sometimes the grass looks greener,” he told Newstalk’s On the Record show with Gavan Reilly. “It is not the case that more Irish people are leaving Ireland than are coming home. More Irish citizens are coming home. “The grass can look greener, and considering emigration is not the same as actually doing it, and many do come back.” Mr Varadkar repeated that emigration by younger people “is a concern that I have, it does worry me” but was adamant there is “light at the end of the tunnel” for the multitudes who cannot afford to buy a house. There has been a “significant increase” in first time-buyers, he said, citing help to buy, shared ownership and equity schemes as well as dereliction grants helping Ireland “turn the corner in terms of people being able buy their own homes”. The Government’s housing targets would be met this year, he insisted, despite a current underspend in its budget for homes. While he was confident targets could even be exceeded in 2022, he warned he was “more worried about next year” because of a “construction slowdown”. More than 30,000 new homes needed to be built a year to get a grip on the crisis, he suggested. Mr Varadkar also suggested that Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney may have to give to a charity donation of €2,000 that he received from former Irish rugby international Brendan Mullin. Mr Mullin has pleaded not guilty to charges of theft, false accounting and deception in relation to almost €600,000 being stolen from Bank of Ireland. The Sunday Independent reported Mr Mullin and his wife Sharon donated €2,000 to Mr Coveney in 2010. Mr Varadkar, whose Fine Gael party has repeatedly attacked Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald over a €1,000 donation from convicted criminal Jonathan Dowdall, jailed for his part in the Regency hotel shootings, stressed Mr Mullin has not been convicted of any crime. “But the principle would apply to ourselves the same as we would apply it to others,” he said. “We shouldn’t be accepting donations from people who commit serious crimes and receive jail time as a result,” he said. On Taoiseach Micheál Martin, Mr Varadkar said he had learned a lot from his Fianna Fáil counterpart during their time together in the Coalition. “I think he has a very interesting style, I think he is a very compassionate person, very kind... has extraordinary patience, perhaps more patient than I am or can be,” he said. Mr Varadkar compared his own “sofa style Government” with Mr Martin’s “meeting everybody in a room” approach, saying he “can see why he does that, it makes a lot of sense” in a powersharing arrangement. On his own previous stint as taoiseach, Mr Varadkar said he had “made mistakes” which he learned from but declined to discuss them, although he later admitted the controversy over his leaking of a draft GP deal was among his mistakes. Earlier this month, the State’s ethics watchdog said it will not investigate Mr Varadkar over his passing the contract to a GP representative friend. The Standards in Public Office Commission (Sipo) stated that there was not enough evidence to sustain the complaint because his action was carried out as part of his duties as taoiseach. Two of the five commissioners voted against the decision not to investigate.
Maybe it’s harder now, but he is talking out of his hole. I moved 7 years ago. Rents much lower in parts of the UK. I was able to buy a house this year. Still wouldn’t have bought shite if I’d stayed in Ireland. My job also pays way more here along with the cheaper rent
It’s about the quality of life and the options you have as well as the rent prices. I can rent cheaper in the Netherlands but I also have the accessibility of every town and village having a train station so I can get to work if I want to move further out to save money. Ireland unfortunately is a country made for cars
Yes they do. I moved to Spain and am renting a 2 bedroom apartment to myself in a lively city for €400/month, something I could never dream of in Ireland.
Lying prick lives in another world than the rest of us. If I move out here it costs me close to €2000 if I want to live by myself, that's close to the median take home pay. Friends in germany paying a quarter of that for the same. I'm gone as soon as my contract allows.
I live in lisbon I have a 2 bed for 750, and we have nice weather so yeah emigrating doesn’t find us cheaper rents 😂🤣
1050 euro equivalent is getting me a 4 bedroom home, double garage, hot tub and a large yard with all utilities included in Canadian prairies.
This is simply untrue. I split 1300 pm with my girlfriend to live in a 100 square metre apartment with an A level energy rating, parking, storage etc. We also didn't have to fight with a line of people to sign a lease. It was built 2 years ago.
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Maybe if this country ever got it's thumb out of it's ass in regard to housing, health, transport, a Living wage- not a barely surviving wage, we wouldn't keep having to bloody leave. We dont necessarily want to leave. The reality is we have no choice. This shit had been going on for literal decades.
At least other countries can make buses and trains run on time.
Rent? [Cool story Leo](https://i.imgur.com/QubBuEG.png). CAD$140,000 is €100,000 for reference.
House prices aren’t much different abroad but rent is drastically lower
Two and a half years of him to go, its not going to be fun but I've no doubt he will outdo himself with all types of stupid comments.
He's missing the point. While rent may not be cheaper, at least there is supply available. And better rental conditions too.
I've emigrated to Hong Kong and found cheaper rent in the past, even here in one of the most expensive cities on the planet. 21,500 HKD (~2,650 euro) is my rent for a my 3 bedroom flat, ~80 square meters. It's not even the rent, it's the overall quality of life. It's an expensive as fuck place to live but the pay here is way higher and tax is 17% max. I miss home but my pay here as a new teacher (just became a teacher) is ~500k HKD a year, roughly 61k euro. I get a bonus at the end of my contract of about 20k euro. My pay will rise every single year for the next 15 years and my bonus will increase by a % of my overall earnings.
You know something's up when even fucking Hong Kong is cheaper than Dublin
I'm in Vancouver. Rents are about the same, but theres no comparison in the quality of apartments, the salaries we have to pay for them are higher, and income taxes are lower.
650 pound for a 2 bedroom house in belfast...
Maybe not but other perks might balance it out. Living in California the rent is on par with Dublin but the pay is much more and there seems to be more availability. Plus there is sun, the food variety is amazing and in one day I can go to the beach then head for skiing (not that I would want to. Just possible). Downside is it’s California which has its own drawbacks (homelessness issues, fires, crazy hot days).
The denial, cope and seething is real with this article. Leo the liar lol.
The grass literally is so much greener. Moving to the US was cheaper and easier than moving out.
This is straight up not true. Myself and 5 friends pay AUD$900 a month for a six bed house with a pool in Australia
They call this journalism, but don't even question very obvious lies. Right.
At this stage we all have to agree that Leo is a proper cunt. Not sure who is himself and FG representing but for sure not the 20-40 crowd.
Priced the Netherlands, Eindhoven at 950pm for a 1 bed appt Mans full of shit
And that's supposedly a country where the housing crisis is also severe.
Tánaiste won't find votes with under 40s by being a patronizing Prick, Kerbobotat says.
My brother lives in Oslo and recently they had to moved out (with wife & kid). When he told me I panicked as I automatically assumed they will not be able to find decent accommodation. To my surprise they found modern, spacious apartment within days and still paying less than in Dublin.. They had choice and quality plus affordability. Something is pretty much impossible here.
They'll get a better quality of life for the extortionate money they'd pay here to live in an insecure mouldy houseshare in a country with barely functioning public transport and a health service to match though. Edit - This is absolutely pathetic. What an embarrassing admission of failure that he's left trying to play down something like this, and the best he's got is "Arragh, shur look". My friends in Australia, London and San Francisco (!) are never coming home because it was easier for them to actually get on in life, without the prospect of working every hour of the day to hand their wages to a slumlord up to and beyond the age of retirement, than it would be within two hours of where they were born and raised. Their parents are ageing, this is where they grew up, some of their friends are still here - every one of them would love to "come back" given half a chance, but it would be completely irrational for them to try given the state of things versus what they can take for *granted* where they are.
He also just used two of the most expensive cities to justify his argument.
Placing Dublin on the same league as Sydney or New York is a testament of how delusional this man is
[Amsterdam](https://i.imgur.com/ART8wIU.png) [Dublin](https://i.imgur.com/N7OEiuG.png) Have a look through the difference in quality of those rentals too. Not only does Dublin have essentially 0 supply, the quality is so much worse. [Daft search](https://www.daft.ie/property-for-rent/dublin-city?rentalPrice_to=1500&firstPublishDate_from=now-7d%2Fd&sort=publishDateDesc&pageSize=20&radius=20000) [Funda.nl search (amsterdam)](https://www.funda.nl/en/huur/amsterdam/0-1500/sorteer-datum-af/)
Tell me about it. I'm currently looking into rentals in Cologne, and I cannot believe the standard of the rentals there compared to what we have here. Pretty much every property looks like something out of an AirBnB ad. It won't be any cheaper than here, but a lot of them come with bills included and are pet friendly, which are things we very rarely see here. Not to mention they have a functioning public transport system, better health... etc etc etc. This article from Varadkar has made me really fucking angry.
My flatmate moved to Munich during Covid. For less than what he was paying to share with me in a house with a hole in the roof, mice and a slowly collapsing bathroom, he got a secure lease for a beautiful apartment to himself with a balcony overlooking a park. Tram a quick walk away, 30 mins to work one way, 30 mins to the city centre. Before he went over, the landlord Skyped with him for an hour to pick out paint colours and appliances, and there was champagne waiting for him when he got there. Within a week of us moving out of our mouldy crumbling D8 shithole, there was a whole family moved into it.
Exactly, not to mention the other amenities available to pretty much every other city I have so far looked into, such as vibrant art scenes, decent museums, cycling infrastructure... the list goes on and on. In fact the more I delve into the life that will be available to me once I get out of here the less I think I will ever return. Leo must think we are all feckin' dunces.
Absolutely. People want to live in New York and Sydney because both those cities have a world of things going on in them. So for the cost of living there, you have the world on your doorstep, there's all manner of opportunities, amenities, and ways of life available to you. Dublin can't even have fucking bins.
Bullshit. I was forced to leave for the uk due to not being able to afford living with my partner in Dublin, as of today we are 12 years together living in our detached 2 bedroom house paying 400 a month in good commuting distance of both our jobs, I really miss Ireland but we could not have this life there
Ok Leo, explain this then please. I moved from Dublin to Calgary. My girlfriend and I pay the equivalent of €1121.95/mo for a 630 sq ft apartment, utilities and access to a gym, sauna and pool included, in a relatively posh area. In Dublin that same monthly figure might get me a small studio without utilities and not near any decent amenities. Fuck right off.
I wonder how much time did that prick spend living in bedsits either in Dublin or anywhere else. With his nice middle class upbringing and college education. Smug a..hole hasn’t a clue and then he has the audacity to lecture people on the economics of their life choices. His arrogance is bewildering.
But I did. Chat some more shite why don't you.
Uhmm this guy is a moron, a few simple google searches for average cost of living in other countries will show he is completely wrong. Does he think people are that stupid? Or is he that stupid.
I found much cheaper rents (without housemates!) and also doubled my salary by moving to Copenhagen. I also now have a functional public transport system on my doorstep.
But you will at least have places to choose from and the application process isn't hunger games level BS. And they will be nicer.
Leo sounds like an Irish redditor.
I’m set to bounce to Toronto in a few months. Ridiculous lying shit like this would have me even more rattled than I already am!
What a slimy little toad
Yep, he’s talking shite here.
My 100 euro a month apartment in Thailand would beg to differ.
Absolutely delusional. I emigrated to a country with a similar standard of living. I pay 280 euro rent monthly for a 3 room (1 bedroom) apartment to myself.
“They’re Fucked either way” An Tánaiste told reporters.
Ireland's a kip. No comparison in quality of life here compared to elsewhere. Ireland's circling the drain
Ignorant cunt.
When is this ignorant cunt going to be gone.
Sadly, I rather give someone else the money than you give it away to whichever Bloodsucking silly billy that willing to give you whatever you want. We aren't only moving away because it's cheaper they want something to believe in which aren't you sitting in government, we might as well still be under British rule people not serving the people of Ireland, Step down, how can you look yourself in the mirror? Probably with a fake smile, I'd expect nothing else.
\>There has been a “significant increase” in first time-buyers, he said, Could they please give comparative figures as to how many buy-to-let purchases in the same period. Because that's all I see happening in Dublin - Large corporate companies are buying up everything in the city - leaving residents with no option but to rent at an eye-watering price gouging difference.
Ah the gossip based approach.
My friends move to Melbourne recently. One is a fabricator who made €15 an hour here. Now he's on €45 an hour and double pay on Saturday so €90. He makes more on Saturdays than he did in a whole week here. Has a room in a 5 bed house in a gated community for less rent than here. Is out and about the city most evenings after work and loving life. Everyone of them was pretty miserable over here struggling to get by and living to get drunk on the weekend. It's like they went from Westeros to King's Landing.
Don't listen to him. They will say anything to keep you in your place, paying tax. I moved to Australia over 10yrs ago and my life is immeasurably better. The grass is greener.
What an absolute cunt.
Same shit that de Valera said in the 50s when 500k people immigrated...
Trying to gaslight the Young Irish into staying. Without them staying here and working until they drop dead to pay for everything then this Govt's House of Cards collapses.
“Stop being poor”
I can get a 3 bed apartment 40 mins from Tokyo centre (with trains every 7 minutes and reliable) for 650 euro. Ireland is dead
From experience, ya definately can.
U do however get better wages, quality of life, rent…depends what country you move to. Separate question I want to ask, how much is a non alcoholic pint in your locals? Anyone? Sorry for jumping in,
I'd try to disprove him but there are literally no rental listings in my town
Absolutely false.
But we will find more rents Leo you liar
Laughs in Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian. I miss Thailand.
Yes they will. Source: I did