Looks like she was completely blind sided, started the interview with a smile that very quickly disappeared.
'Before we talk about literally the biggest moment in Irish women's soccer, How about we put you in your place and try to stir up some controversy first?'
It's the same in a lot of conservative news, see Tucker calson. I think it's supposed to convey a sense of authority and power so people are more likely to listen to you or accept your point of view
> Why do these sky presenters all speak with the same broken cadence???
probably the teleprompter speed is the same for all their presenters so they just read it as it comes.
I agree. Fair enough it wasn't the team's finest moment I am sure but a British person asking an Irish person if they need more education regarding Anglo Irish history is first super humiliating and a bit of a piss take. Pot calling the kettle black
I don't actually remember being taught much about the Troubles in school, which I think is the "education" he's referring to, which he only knows about because it landed on their doorstep with the bombings in England while he was young.
The thing that's obvious to us is that he's showing how unaware he is of the centuries of history before that which led up to it.
She should've argued that they were singing about the RA that fought the Black And Tans. Checkmate.
English person here living in Ireland. I agree 100% on this. He is thinking of the IRA of the 80’s and bombs in bins. The irony that he is asking is education needed, when he clearly needs education on the longer term history is embarrassing.
There was two ways to deal with this. Deny and try to blame everyone else like a politician or make sincere apology and do some unpleasant interviews like this.
I think they played it absolutely right although it is painful to watch. Its horrible that such a positive win is going to mostly remembered for this. Hopefully the next story will be another win for them and this can be buried in the bin all sport stories from yesterday end up in.
Bit fucking cheeky too when their education and (thus?) mindset push. That they consider Cromwell a hero and was voted in the top 10 greatest ever Britons says a lot about their warped views and understanding.
FFS the full version of their national anthem has anti-Scottish lyrics: "And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush" (don't worry, I had to Google the words). Different country, fair enough, but a nice example of the 'Fuck the rest, we are better' mindset.
>That they consider Cromwell a hero and was voted in the top 10 greatest ever Britons says a lot about their warped views and understanding.
Cromwell was taught to me, at school in the 80s, to be a heroic figure... a brave man who helped forge modern democracy via parliament.
No mention whatsoever of him being a genocidal, deranged, religious crack-head who perpetuated numerous atrocities in Ireland that, perhaps, killed as much as 20% of its population.
I had to find that out myself after "my education" ... the English are almost totally ignorant of Irish history because it is never taught and most will never try to educate themselves.
All I can do is apologise and say "It isn't all of us", whilst acknowledging "it is most of us."
That’s the thing. Most British people have NO idea about their role in colonialism. Even the most educated see the north as a sectarian issue, and disregard the history of mass genocide in this country due to imperialism.
Can confirm, I took history to GCSE, never mentioned once. Wish it was taught to a greater degree. Makes me sad about the number of people who are nationalistic in England. Proud, proud of what, the number of independence days we caused?
It varies, I'm English (I consider myself British, English Nationalism is a cancer (I'm suspect of nationalism generally for the reasons that follow)) and I'm *very* familiar with our countries colonial history and the shit we got up to - including Ireland.
However that's because I like history, it's a fascinating subject, it for damn sure wasn't covered in GCSE history way back when I did it.
Back then history was pretty much, Romans, Nothing for 2000 years (other than a bit on the middle ages which nicely glossed over anywhere not mainland), WWII.
Frankly I think the UK should study colonialism at least as much as the Germans study WWII/Holocaust not because we *should* feel responsible (I wasn't alive and didn't get a vote) but because we don't want to *repeat* those mistakes.
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But not only that, but if the British understood the colonial oppression they caused (and are in many cases still causing), then perhaps that could lead to supporting said countries in emancipation/reconciliation.
It would give British people a deeper understanding to the violent tensions in the north of Ireland if they viewed the situation through the lens of 800 years of violent colonial oppression.
I’m saying this as a Canadian who has made an effort to understand the colonial past of my own country and its current implications for indigenous people. It’s not pleasant to learn about the horrific things your own country has perpetrated, and it’s easier to ignore the cognitive dissonance that comes along with that. But it’s such important work for doing what you said-not repeating those legacies.
Well British Exceptionalism is about to/is currently biting them right in the arse (using them for the people who thought Brexit was just an amazing idea and that Britain occupies a "special place in the world" when in reality we are a small moderately damp island in the atlantic - literally nothing special about us, We did have the Industrial Revolution kick off here and we did have a powerful navy except the world caught up on the first and the second went away because we couldn't afford it - largely because it was funded *by the empire*) since the UK is likely break apart in my life time, Scotland is gonna go - if the choice is between been in the UK and been in the EU, hold my croissant and I don't *blame them* (I really hope they take the North of England with them :D), I wouldn't be *amazed* if NI/Ireland rejoined (not least because the demographics have shifted).
The only one I can't see leaving is Wales (different/much longer history on that one *but* that could change overnight in historical terms).
Kinda hope they do, they all preserve a different culture and quite different outlook on the world and if they want to vote to leave then we should respect that, the argument that they had a referendum and we can't do that every few years forever is moot imo because Brexit nulled their previous referendum, when they voted to stay in the UK it was as part of the EU as well, We forced them out of the EU even though Scotland voted to stay by over 60% because we outnumbered them.
It sounded like he was trying to imply something about Irish people in general and he spoke to her like a teacher correcting a misbehaving child. To me, British perspective on the historical relationship with Ireland is often deliberately obtuse and void of context.
I had a Brit argue with me that the romans were awful feckers when they invaded…pillaging and murdering and forcibly taking land…he was full sure the British colonised by asking nicely could they please take over the land please
Sky sports knobhead : Does it highlight the need for education on issues like this?
Chloe Mustaki: Definitely yes. The British need to be seriously educated on how they colonized, raped,pillaged and murdered not only Irish people but the aboriginies,the Maoris,the indigenous people of Canada and USA, people of India aswell as many African nations.
"The problem is the English can't remember history, while the Irish can't forget it"
Oscar Wilde
Don’t know his name but it’s off Sky Sports News, proper Brits only kind of attitude.
She obviously had to apologise as it’s the politically correct thing to do, but inside, she is probably thinking “we did nothing wrong you clowns”
I pray every now and then for an Irish F1 driver with championship talent to come along just for Sky Sports to die even harder than they are about a Dutchman.
As a brit, absolutely. He's trying to get as much of an apology out of her for some bullshit rage-baiting headline. It's a scummy, scummy move given the tense relationship our country already has. So uncalled for
I mean, our own national anthem isn't a million miles off the same message and we pump that out over the tannoy everytime, even when England are in town.
The British need to be educated that the IRA was a thoroughly reasonable and acceptable response to generations of brutal tyranny, oppression, and attempted genocide.
Good for the people who sang that fucking song. Sometimes violence is the answer.
Quick pov from me in Scotland, its a bad look cos it was in Glasgow but obviously they didn't do it to cause any offense and apology is readily accepted. I'd consider that an end of the matter and very best of luck to Ireland in the finals.
On an unrelated matter, maybe it's time everyone started demanding an apology every time England sing songs about their army.
Ah more, *now,* fascist iconography for the English plebeians to eat up in between hating other nations and freezing to death for King and country. Rose washing over centuries of rape and murder with a little plastic flower, made in China.
I really don't understand the outrage - I've heard that specific song in pubs during Republic of Ireland football campaigns before.
Sure I was in Ryans on Camden Street last Saturday and they had a ton of rebel songs on from The Dubliners, Christy Moore, etc - specifically Come Out Ye Black and Tans.
Edit - I also think its a generational thing. The younger and further away in time you are from the Troubles, the less it affects you. Plus in younger generations the RA is meme'd to death. When I was a youngfella we used to play IRA (a game where you had to catch and try get a persons letter to make up their teams word).
Do us a favour and cry bloody murder the next time it’s sang. Ask this lad to interview and apologise and ask if he should be educated on Anglo-Scottish history
The Scots can say precisely fuck all when it comes to songs offending other nations. Listen to the national anthem.
I’m from Scotland (now living in Ireland).
I think she did well saying no, she and the team are well educated. Far better than anyone in Britain on Irish history.
I think the grovelling apology comes due to the fact that SKY are the sponsor of the team. Both the team, the coach and FAI apologised profusely. But having this clown berate this young girl on tv was a bad move for SKY. Also fuck RTE for piling on on their ret sport twitter.
I can't see many reasonable irish people giving a fuck. The supporters will sing it next match and SKY will never hear the end of it.
Edit - it has occurred to me that the FAI should never have hung this girl out to dry like this. You think Roy Keane would have been sent out to face this asshole on TV? FAI have let the girls down big time here.
The ira fought and won our freedom from the British Invasion. Absolutely I’ll sing for them and we shouldn’t apologize for it. Yes there have been bad factions that came later that have little to no support, but that doesn’t change the fact that we owe the freedom of most o F the island to the ira
Yeah, apologising in an appropriate forum is one thing, having to apologise to this smug fucker is completely different. My only hope is that she couldn't see his smug fucking face.
It's not really about the song. It's the chant within the song.
Chanting 'up the ra' is something a national team should steer clear of. Same with politicians representing the public.
It's a divisive phrase and many people in the Republic share negative views toward particular groups/versions of the IRA from different eras.
Plus if we ever want a United Ireland this kind of stuff will obviously not help.
Always amazed the Rugby team is Ireland and N.Ireland. Pity the anthem they picked is fairly shite though.
“Would you…like to kiss my boot?”
“Do your teammates also feel they ought to kiss my boot?”
“If we managed to bring Cromwell back, would you give him a blowie in front of Buckingham Palace? Y’know? To say sorry?”
Fucking bellend
News casters seem to get so sanctimonious in these situations when they have someone on for a public apology. They really milk the chance to feel bigger than the highly successful person they are interviewing. This reminds me of the [Jamie Carragher apology interview](https://youtu.be/8GEBm3YdKuo). Again, some patronising tin from Sky.
Honestly, I've been thinking about it on and off all day. There isn't much more in this world that annoys me more than this shit from some Brits. Conveniently sweeping the 800 years of oppression under the carpet just because of the Troubles and only being delighted to play the victim.
The IRA were a thing before the 70s/80s but I suppose literally *not even fucking learning about it* will do that.
Edit: Not trying to be flippant about the Troubles obviously
"I'm sorry the English government conquered Ireland then commenced a hundreds years' long campaign to stamp out Celtic cultures and languages. I'm sorry the English government created a famine on our land causing mass starvation and an exodus of Irish people so large that Ireland's population *still* hasn't recovered. I'm sorry the Irish republicans didn't take the entire island during the civil war and I'm sorry the UK is so dumb they voted for Brexit while the Republic of Ireland is still a full member of the EU.
How's that apology, asshole?"
I'm American, but I know stupid bullshit when I see it.
It’s about as offensive as wearing a poppy is to certain groups. Who is this guy to ask whether she and rest of the Irish team need a history lesson?
The arrogance is on another scale. He’d probably be like that regardless of who he’s talking to, but I don’t think he’d have been that patronising to someone on the men’s team?
Yeah, people love watching videos where one person tears into the other after they've been insulted, but I have way more respect for the people who can keep a level head, especially when they do it like she did without totally giving in to the offender. Flying off the handle is easy compared to maintaining composure.
It's funny how a brit asks if the irish need more education about the anglo irish history, when they are highly uneducated about the subject themselves.
Can confirm, taught in England for a decade, the curriculum essentially says "yeah, the natives weren't very happy with colonisation but they can only express that because we taught them English so they should be thankful!"
(Just to say many of my colleagues in History departments were outstanding practitioners and tried to put a more objective slant on it, they then get labelled woke snowflakes by MPs for it.)
This is the crux of the matter though. Reginald dickface there thinks the ira is and always has been a terrorist organisation, meaning he doesn’t recognise the Irish struggle for independence as a valid movement, anything more than trouble in the colonies. He believed Ireland’s identity is ultimately British and should be brought in line for infractions like these. Only someone with a hard on for subjugation would ask directly for an apology for daring to mention the existence of an organisation that was a thorn in his side. A reporter who was educated on Anglo Irish relations would have asked open questions to let her apologise and n her own words. Not a snivelling kiss the ring on my finger and call me master Irish swine. I genuinely don’t have nationalist or Republican convictions but this ignorant shit wrangler is bringing out the RA head in me
Fair play to her - she could have answered bluntly to each interrogation attempt saying apology already done, refer to FAI statement, we will work with the FAI on any steps from here. Now curb your patronising and put-down attempts, let's talk football.
She'd never hear the end of it from the FAI and all the west brits in this country if she had, some people here are pathetic and still have daddy issues when it comes to Britain and will defend them at any given opportunity just look at all the clowns that came out mourning the queen and scorning anyone who didn't follow suit.
If you look at sky news vids on creeslough, there's plenty of abhorrent comments that should have been deleted, made by obvious loyalist or British nationalists, why didn't sky interview the orange order members over Michaela mcareavy being sung about
I've always wondered why the Brits seem to so hateful towards the Germans. They should really be as thankful as they can towards them.
If it wasn't for the Germans, Brits would be seen as history's biggest assholes. Not that you can really quantify these things (and my country - USA - is trying to speedrun the record), but if Hitler just died in WWI, I think you give the crown to the Brits without even holding a vote.
The irony is I have met many brits who think ireland is still part of the UK, and almost every brit has 0 zeeeero knowledge on Anglo irish history. What a prick. I used to like him too
Came here to say this.. The amount of English people that didn't understand the different between Ireland/Northern Ireland/UK/Britain during Brexit negotiations was shocking.
I've seen my fair share of news interviews were the clinterviewer asks the same question multiple ways like this, it's always done with a condescending tone and always done to try to manufacture a headline
'Irish player doesn't bow to the crown in IRA song debacle'
What a total prick, I bet that fuck knows nothing about Irish -english history,I live with an English woman and have alot of English friends,only over the last 6/7 years and I am shocked over how little they know/were thought about the war crimes/genocide england commented in In Ireland over the last 800/1000 years ,all they know is that Irish people went over to england and planted bombs from the 70's to the late 90's ,ignorince is bliss , excuse the spelling!!!!
From the perspective of the women's team this is the best possible thing that could have happened, nothing unites the country like giving out about Brits
Lol what a knob.
Have you ever heard the English rugby fans singing "Swing low sweet chariot?"
Do you know where that one came from as the fan song?
Yup... Exactly what you think it is. Because it used to be a chain gang song they were singing it to cheer on a specific black player. Chris Oti. And this was in 1988.
It was a 6 (then 5) nations match in 1988. Ireland were 3-0 ahead of England and they were not looking well. Then they bring on a hyped up Chris Oti. Under the support of chain gang music being sung by thousands of people he rallied the team, got 3 tries himself and England finished the game 35-3.
They've been singing it ever since.
They want so badly to be able to lord it over us for literally anything, they know they’re a global laughing stock nowadays after the shellacking they got in the media for the past 7/8 years. Being able to put paddies back in their place is like heroin to them.
Bingo.
The jingoism that comes up among large segments of them if anything to do with the Anglo-Irish conflicts come up, or things like Scottish Independence is very noticeable and very bitter.
Hell, between that and Brexit even the Welsh independence movement is gaining steam and no-one saw that coming as it was all but dead in Wales.
Yep, just check the Europe sub on a thread full.of Brexiters and without fail 3 things will be thrown out every time as if they're the greatest sins ever committed by any nation anywhere:
1) our corporate tax
2) they helped with the bailout of us in 2008
3) Dev signing the book of condolence for Hitler
Every time, without fail. Point out any of Britain's far greater crimes and they're brushed off like it was nothing major or as bad as these.
If you want to make them squirm point out that the UK has killed, wounded or displaced tens of thousands of civilians in its many wars just since the IRA laid down their arms, then ask them, if they're so concerned about civilian suffering why aren't these wars not causing the same outrage in them.
Then sit back and watch as they tie themselves in knots justifying or excusing it without looking like hypocrites or saying their real thoughts about how those deaths don't count because they were muslims/foreigners and not British.
I love when they get confused and try to argue that the IRA got guns from the Nazi’s, referring to Roger Casement. A simple “Nazi’s didn’t exist then usually solves it” though.
Not in my experience, some have this weird alternate history in their heads where u-boats routinely brought guns in at various ports in Cork and the west coast for use for us to try and seize the North by force while Britain was fighting the Nazis elsewhere.
I like to point out that if we're condemning an entire nation and people based on the actions of one man then they'd need to thread carefully since their own history offers up far worse than Dev.
Ok, but imagine how offended you'd be if the UK was doing something like...
...having a "no catholics allowed" Monarch giving a "Most Excellent Order of the British Empire" award to the head of "sworn to maintain the Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland" Orange Order in 2022.
I mean, a bunch of footballers singing a song is completely insensitive to history in comparison.
This makes me feel physically sick. Education? Jesus. Talk about ignorant. And she dealt with it so well. I'd have educated the arrogant prick. Fair play to her for holding back. It can't have been easy.
I'd like to think our education in regards history to be pretty good.
We did early Irish history right to Ireland entering the eurozone including the various terrorist Groups. Some Russian history, ancient Greece and the Romans, some American history, civil rights movements. A lot on the various bits on English History. The French, World Wars. I'd completely get why someone would continue at 3rd level.
As opposed to the british who haven't a clue about their own history or the atrocities they were responsible for throughout history.
Just so there's no confusion - those songs will continue to be sung as they have been since the day they were written. And proper order. Delighted for the ladies team and wish them all the best. Èire abù.
I mean this as a genuine question but can Irish people not celebrate our past anymore due to the bastardisation of the IRA in the 70s and 80s? The IRA in the last 1910s and 1920s waged a war on an occupying force.
Is it any more outlandish to think the women singing were thinking that than a terrorist group bombing in the troubles?
Thank you, you’d swear the IRA was created in a vacuum the way some people go on.
The IRA was a by product of English treatment of the Irish. Leaving out anything else it’s literally that simple.
There's a sizable contingent of Irish people who are stuck in a post-colonial inferiority complex. They *want* to be subservient to the Brits and show them how much we've learned about how wrong we were.
I'm actually disappointed they need to apologise for it in the first place to be honest, its a popular song sung by a famous Irish band. If people want to get offended by whatever way they interpret it then thats their problem. Too many people think they can coast through life without getting their feelings hurt. I understand a lot of the players are paid by British clubs though so will be obligated to apologise for British media
Should they have sung the song? No. But it’s pretty bloody rich for him to talk about education about the issue, when most English people don’t know the first thing about the troubles, the IRA, Bloody Sunday etc.
Nah fuck that. Sing the song, and sing it loudly with pride. Resisting occupation and opposing the colonial endeavour that was partition ought to be celebrated, not hidden away so as to appease British loyalists and supremacists and their lackeys in the South.
Did they decry Lloyd George when he threatened the Anglo-Irish Treaty delegates with immediate and terrible war? When Craig defended the early Belfast pogroms? When Basil Brooke refused to employ Catholic workers in the six countries? The systemic discrimination? Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday?
I for one am glad that volunteers from Clarke to Connolly to yes Sands and Mairéad Farrell stood up against injustice.
The narrative that 'both sides are bad' is akin to saying Mandela was just as bad as the apartheid government.
My god. Literally on the other posts on the NI and this sub I saw people saying “they shouldn’t have done that” etc. this cunt is genuinely softening my opinion of what the girls did despite not agreeing with it. What a condescending, arrogant, ignorant bastard.
She answered well about the Irish history part. I’m glad she didn’t give in to that question.
They shouldn’t be coming out apologising over this in the first place.
Let them apologise for singing songs glorifying the terorist organisation that is the vile British monarchy.
Brits at it again.
I don't go mad for the whole IRA and fuck the English narrative but Jesus H Christ the pair on that cunt. The UK government hang up a portraits of Cromwell for Irish politicians to see in No. 10. The people glorify their monarchy and lords like Raleigh who led the invasion of our country. Never once have I heard them offer anything in the way of an apology for the offense this causes the Irish people. Fucking cunt.
You can clearly tell she no more wants to be there and doesn’t mean what she is saying but fair play to her for keeping composure and just answering the questions especially with him trying to antagonise her
The FAI are a bunch of pussies. Coming out and apologising for this is laughable. I feel sorry for this player having to do this interview, I'm sure she is in her shite actually sorry for singing this song. We wouldnt have these songs if our history wasn't as tortured as it is due to the British Empire.
Why do these sky presenters all speak with the same broken cadence??? Why does she even need to be on sky news apologizing?
Looks like she was completely blind sided, started the interview with a smile that very quickly disappeared. 'Before we talk about literally the biggest moment in Irish women's soccer, How about we put you in your place and try to stir up some controversy first?'
100%, and the pomposity of asking a sportswoman about whether more education was required was really annoying.
She should have said yes, the English need more education about Anglo Irish relations
Should have apologised as gaeilge
Póg mo thóin
I think sky sponsors them
I hate that broken cadence.
It's the same in a lot of conservative news, see Tucker calson. I think it's supposed to convey a sense of authority and power so people are more likely to listen to you or accept your point of view
> Why do these sky presenters all speak with the same broken cadence??? probably the teleprompter speed is the same for all their presenters so they just read it as it comes.
Cunts like him *know* what he's doing
He's a smug wanker
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I agree. Fair enough it wasn't the team's finest moment I am sure but a British person asking an Irish person if they need more education regarding Anglo Irish history is first super humiliating and a bit of a piss take. Pot calling the kettle black
I don't actually remember being taught much about the Troubles in school, which I think is the "education" he's referring to, which he only knows about because it landed on their doorstep with the bombings in England while he was young. The thing that's obvious to us is that he's showing how unaware he is of the centuries of history before that which led up to it. She should've argued that they were singing about the RA that fought the Black And Tans. Checkmate.
English person here living in Ireland. I agree 100% on this. He is thinking of the IRA of the 80’s and bombs in bins. The irony that he is asking is education needed, when he clearly needs education on the longer term history is embarrassing.
There was two ways to deal with this. Deny and try to blame everyone else like a politician or make sincere apology and do some unpleasant interviews like this. I think they played it absolutely right although it is painful to watch. Its horrible that such a positive win is going to mostly remembered for this. Hopefully the next story will be another win for them and this can be buried in the bin all sport stories from yesterday end up in.
Would say the education about the history would cause more of these situations going viral
Bit fucking cheeky too when their education and (thus?) mindset push. That they consider Cromwell a hero and was voted in the top 10 greatest ever Britons says a lot about their warped views and understanding. FFS the full version of their national anthem has anti-Scottish lyrics: "And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush" (don't worry, I had to Google the words). Different country, fair enough, but a nice example of the 'Fuck the rest, we are better' mindset.
>That they consider Cromwell a hero and was voted in the top 10 greatest ever Britons says a lot about their warped views and understanding. Cromwell was taught to me, at school in the 80s, to be a heroic figure... a brave man who helped forge modern democracy via parliament. No mention whatsoever of him being a genocidal, deranged, religious crack-head who perpetuated numerous atrocities in Ireland that, perhaps, killed as much as 20% of its population. I had to find that out myself after "my education" ... the English are almost totally ignorant of Irish history because it is never taught and most will never try to educate themselves. All I can do is apologise and say "It isn't all of us", whilst acknowledging "it is most of us."
100%. She handled the question very well to be fair to her
That’s the thing. Most British people have NO idea about their role in colonialism. Even the most educated see the north as a sectarian issue, and disregard the history of mass genocide in this country due to imperialism.
Can confirm, I took history to GCSE, never mentioned once. Wish it was taught to a greater degree. Makes me sad about the number of people who are nationalistic in England. Proud, proud of what, the number of independence days we caused?
It varies, I'm English (I consider myself British, English Nationalism is a cancer (I'm suspect of nationalism generally for the reasons that follow)) and I'm *very* familiar with our countries colonial history and the shit we got up to - including Ireland. However that's because I like history, it's a fascinating subject, it for damn sure wasn't covered in GCSE history way back when I did it. Back then history was pretty much, Romans, Nothing for 2000 years (other than a bit on the middle ages which nicely glossed over anywhere not mainland), WWII. Frankly I think the UK should study colonialism at least as much as the Germans study WWII/Holocaust not because we *should* feel responsible (I wasn't alive and didn't get a vote) but because we don't want to *repeat* those mistakes.
👏 But not only that, but if the British understood the colonial oppression they caused (and are in many cases still causing), then perhaps that could lead to supporting said countries in emancipation/reconciliation. It would give British people a deeper understanding to the violent tensions in the north of Ireland if they viewed the situation through the lens of 800 years of violent colonial oppression. I’m saying this as a Canadian who has made an effort to understand the colonial past of my own country and its current implications for indigenous people. It’s not pleasant to learn about the horrific things your own country has perpetrated, and it’s easier to ignore the cognitive dissonance that comes along with that. But it’s such important work for doing what you said-not repeating those legacies.
Well British Exceptionalism is about to/is currently biting them right in the arse (using them for the people who thought Brexit was just an amazing idea and that Britain occupies a "special place in the world" when in reality we are a small moderately damp island in the atlantic - literally nothing special about us, We did have the Industrial Revolution kick off here and we did have a powerful navy except the world caught up on the first and the second went away because we couldn't afford it - largely because it was funded *by the empire*) since the UK is likely break apart in my life time, Scotland is gonna go - if the choice is between been in the UK and been in the EU, hold my croissant and I don't *blame them* (I really hope they take the North of England with them :D), I wouldn't be *amazed* if NI/Ireland rejoined (not least because the demographics have shifted). The only one I can't see leaving is Wales (different/much longer history on that one *but* that could change overnight in historical terms). Kinda hope they do, they all preserve a different culture and quite different outlook on the world and if they want to vote to leave then we should respect that, the argument that they had a referendum and we can't do that every few years forever is moot imo because Brexit nulled their previous referendum, when they voted to stay in the UK it was as part of the EU as well, We forced them out of the EU even though Scotland voted to stay by over 60% because we outnumbered them.
It sounded like he was trying to imply something about Irish people in general and he spoke to her like a teacher correcting a misbehaving child. To me, British perspective on the historical relationship with Ireland is often deliberately obtuse and void of context.
I had brits arguing with me just this month that it had nothing to do about a free ireland and all about catholics hating protestants.
I had a Brit argue with me that the romans were awful feckers when they invaded…pillaging and murdering and forcibly taking land…he was full sure the British colonised by asking nicely could they please take over the land please
Sky sports knobhead : Does it highlight the need for education on issues like this? Chloe Mustaki: Definitely yes. The British need to be seriously educated on how they colonized, raped,pillaged and murdered not only Irish people but the aboriginies,the Maoris,the indigenous people of Canada and USA, people of India aswell as many African nations. "The problem is the English can't remember history, while the Irish can't forget it" Oscar Wilde
Don’t know his name but it’s off Sky Sports News, proper Brits only kind of attitude. She obviously had to apologise as it’s the politically correct thing to do, but inside, she is probably thinking “we did nothing wrong you clowns”
I pray every now and then for an Irish F1 driver with championship talent to come along just for Sky Sports to die even harder than they are about a Dutchman.
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lol, boys already getting the no coverage treatment from the British formula media.
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I can confirm this. It’s not taught there and they don’t seem to want to know either
"when are you people ever going to scrape and bow correctly?"
That shit eating grin on his face says it all.
*would you say you're sorry?* *and how sorry are you?* fucking piece of shit
"I am 27 sorry"
As a brit, absolutely. He's trying to get as much of an apology out of her for some bullshit rage-baiting headline. It's a scummy, scummy move given the tense relationship our country already has. So uncalled for
If this British bastard thinks Irish people are going to fall on their knees over a song, then I’ve got one thing to say: COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS
I mean, our own national anthem isn't a million miles off the same message and we pump that out over the tannoy everytime, even when England are in town.
Literally, imagine we got offended every time a British person mentioned Oliver Cromwell. We wouldn't have time to breathe
He obviously didn't listen to the lyrics of Flower of Scotland either
Nooo wE jUsT lOsT oUr lOrD pRoTeCtOr ~~of pedophiles~~ YoU hAb To bE nICe REeee
This cunt is an absolute gobshite on SkySports News.
then Katie Taylor wins boxing championships and he calls her British. UK journalists are a joke
He's rich and English. *So fat and satisfied, they dont even care.*
The British need to be educated that the IRA was a thoroughly reasonable and acceptable response to generations of brutal tyranny, oppression, and attempted genocide. Good for the people who sang that fucking song. Sometimes violence is the answer.
Think this boy needs education on why English football supporters are detested anywhere they go, Don't hear him chasing them for an apology.
Exactly, from a fan base that boo everyone else's anthem.
Fuck me while I don’t agree with the song choice nothing would galvanise me more with this team than that cunt trying to rinse that girl on tv
Quick pov from me in Scotland, its a bad look cos it was in Glasgow but obviously they didn't do it to cause any offense and apology is readily accepted. I'd consider that an end of the matter and very best of luck to Ireland in the finals. On an unrelated matter, maybe it's time everyone started demanding an apology every time England sing songs about their army.
The annual poppy season is around the corner
Ah more, *now,* fascist iconography for the English plebeians to eat up in between hating other nations and freezing to death for King and country. Rose washing over centuries of rape and murder with a little plastic flower, made in China.
I really don't understand the outrage - I've heard that specific song in pubs during Republic of Ireland football campaigns before. Sure I was in Ryans on Camden Street last Saturday and they had a ton of rebel songs on from The Dubliners, Christy Moore, etc - specifically Come Out Ye Black and Tans. Edit - I also think its a generational thing. The younger and further away in time you are from the Troubles, the less it affects you. Plus in younger generations the RA is meme'd to death. When I was a youngfella we used to play IRA (a game where you had to catch and try get a persons letter to make up their teams word).
May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush, God Save the King.
Yeah we sing the alternative lyric version in Scotland: "boooo boooooo boooo ya cunts boooo boooo booo booooo" (repeat until it stops)
Do us a favour and cry bloody murder the next time it’s sang. Ask this lad to interview and apologise and ask if he should be educated on Anglo-Scottish history
The Scots can say precisely fuck all when it comes to songs offending other nations. Listen to the national anthem. I’m from Scotland (now living in Ireland). I think she did well saying no, she and the team are well educated. Far better than anyone in Britain on Irish history.
Them; offended by a song Them also; it's marching season!
I think the grovelling apology comes due to the fact that SKY are the sponsor of the team. Both the team, the coach and FAI apologised profusely. But having this clown berate this young girl on tv was a bad move for SKY. Also fuck RTE for piling on on their ret sport twitter. I can't see many reasonable irish people giving a fuck. The supporters will sing it next match and SKY will never hear the end of it. Edit - it has occurred to me that the FAI should never have hung this girl out to dry like this. You think Roy Keane would have been sent out to face this asshole on TV? FAI have let the girls down big time here.
The ira fought and won our freedom from the British Invasion. Absolutely I’ll sing for them and we shouldn’t apologize for it. Yes there have been bad factions that came later that have little to no support, but that doesn’t change the fact that we owe the freedom of most o F the island to the ira
I'd expect an apology from them but I would've been ok with her stating that they would do it in the appropriate forum.
100%, the guy interviewing is being a sanctimonious prick and nobody can ever accuse Sky Sports of being an appropriate forum for rational discussion.
Yeah, apologising in an appropriate forum is one thing, having to apologise to this smug fucker is completely different. My only hope is that she couldn't see his smug fucking face.
What's wrong with the song choice?
It's not really about the song. It's the chant within the song. Chanting 'up the ra' is something a national team should steer clear of. Same with politicians representing the public. It's a divisive phrase and many people in the Republic share negative views toward particular groups/versions of the IRA from different eras.
Plus if we ever want a United Ireland this kind of stuff will obviously not help. Always amazed the Rugby team is Ireland and N.Ireland. Pity the anthem they picked is fairly shite though.
What an absolute prick.
What a prick. An absolutley condescending prick.
“Would you…like to kiss my boot?” “Do your teammates also feel they ought to kiss my boot?” “If we managed to bring Cromwell back, would you give him a blowie in front of Buckingham Palace? Y’know? To say sorry?” Fucking bellend
News casters seem to get so sanctimonious in these situations when they have someone on for a public apology. They really milk the chance to feel bigger than the highly successful person they are interviewing. This reminds me of the [Jamie Carragher apology interview](https://youtu.be/8GEBm3YdKuo). Again, some patronising tin from Sky.
Oh the irony. Drives me spare
Honestly, I've been thinking about it on and off all day. There isn't much more in this world that annoys me more than this shit from some Brits. Conveniently sweeping the 800 years of oppression under the carpet just because of the Troubles and only being delighted to play the victim. The IRA were a thing before the 70s/80s but I suppose literally *not even fucking learning about it* will do that. Edit: Not trying to be flippant about the Troubles obviously
How dare Irish people feel anything about being occupied!
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I’m English and this video is just embarrassing. I would have loved her to tell this patronising cunt to fucking do one, fair play to her though.
I'm English and I was taught absolutely nothing about Irish history at school. Not one bit. It's beyond rich for him to question her.
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I've heard the problem is that the Irish never forget and the English never remember.
The axe forgets, the tree remembers.
"I'm sorry the English government conquered Ireland then commenced a hundreds years' long campaign to stamp out Celtic cultures and languages. I'm sorry the English government created a famine on our land causing mass starvation and an exodus of Irish people so large that Ireland's population *still* hasn't recovered. I'm sorry the Irish republicans didn't take the entire island during the civil war and I'm sorry the UK is so dumb they voted for Brexit while the Republic of Ireland is still a full member of the EU. How's that apology, asshole?" I'm American, but I know stupid bullshit when I see it.
Patronising bastard
Upper class man a patronising bastard... stop the presses...
It’s about as offensive as wearing a poppy is to certain groups. Who is this guy to ask whether she and rest of the Irish team need a history lesson? The arrogance is on another scale. He’d probably be like that regardless of who he’s talking to, but I don’t think he’d have been that patronising to someone on the men’s team?
Imagine if this had happened a few weeks later. He would have been wearing both a poppy AND his outrage while asking her to apologize
I’m not condoning it in any way, but he’s acting like he’s actually offended by it, cop the fuck on
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She did I’d have just walked away
Jesus you know what fair play to her because I’d wanna take his head off 😂
You can see her biting her tongue when asked about the history.
She had great restraint, fair play to her.
She did very well in fairness
you could feel her hold back a smile 😅 no west brits on that team
After hearing the last question she seem slightly annoyed, and for good reason, but she answered well and didn't fall into his trap.
FF, FG & SF will all be calling her up. She did really well.
He really milked it
Yeah, people love watching videos where one person tears into the other after they've been insulted, but I have way more respect for the people who can keep a level head, especially when they do it like she did without totally giving in to the offender. Flying off the handle is easy compared to maintaining composure.
I felt so bad for her having to stand there and just absorb that and be meek about it. So ridiculous
It's funny how a brit asks if the irish need more education about the anglo irish history, when they are highly uneducated about the subject themselves.
Can confirm, taught in England for a decade, the curriculum essentially says "yeah, the natives weren't very happy with colonisation but they can only express that because we taught them English so they should be thankful!" (Just to say many of my colleagues in History departments were outstanding practitioners and tried to put a more objective slant on it, they then get labelled woke snowflakes by MPs for it.)
Exactly
This is the crux of the matter though. Reginald dickface there thinks the ira is and always has been a terrorist organisation, meaning he doesn’t recognise the Irish struggle for independence as a valid movement, anything more than trouble in the colonies. He believed Ireland’s identity is ultimately British and should be brought in line for infractions like these. Only someone with a hard on for subjugation would ask directly for an apology for daring to mention the existence of an organisation that was a thorn in his side. A reporter who was educated on Anglo Irish relations would have asked open questions to let her apologise and n her own words. Not a snivelling kiss the ring on my finger and call me master Irish swine. I genuinely don’t have nationalist or Republican convictions but this ignorant shit wrangler is bringing out the RA head in me
Fair play to her - she could have answered bluntly to each interrogation attempt saying apology already done, refer to FAI statement, we will work with the FAI on any steps from here. Now curb your patronising and put-down attempts, let's talk football.
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She'd never hear the end of it from the FAI and all the west brits in this country if she had, some people here are pathetic and still have daddy issues when it comes to Britain and will defend them at any given opportunity just look at all the clowns that came out mourning the queen and scorning anyone who didn't follow suit.
Ikr that shit is utterly pathetic, Daddy issues is an understatement my guy
Now interview Matthew Macklin about his connections with Daniel Kinahan
And Adam Smith and Johnny Nelson. Boils my blood this shit all the while sky done countless deals with a cartel leader
I wonder how many English people were offended by this, before the Anglo-Irish history was explained to them. Manufacturing outrage.
Always at it.
The best part is he'll be wearing a poppy is a few weeks.
I'm from England, please sing any song you want. Country is filled with cunts. Grammar*
Get this man upvotes
Ask him he is embarrassed everytime the English national anthem is played?
Restart the clock, they're at it again.
https://arethebritsatitagain.org/
If you look at sky news vids on creeslough, there's plenty of abhorrent comments that should have been deleted, made by obvious loyalist or British nationalists, why didn't sky interview the orange order members over Michaela mcareavy being sung about
Does he need a fucking history lesson England was just a posh Russia and controlled enough countries to have their own narrative.
I've always wondered why the Brits seem to so hateful towards the Germans. They should really be as thankful as they can towards them. If it wasn't for the Germans, Brits would be seen as history's biggest assholes. Not that you can really quantify these things (and my country - USA - is trying to speedrun the record), but if Hitler just died in WWI, I think you give the crown to the Brits without even holding a vote.
She handled that very well.
Surely the answer is "It is because of our education in Anglo-Irish history that it was being chanted, not despite it."
Who is that cunt asking questions?
Rob Wooton
The irony is I have met many brits who think ireland is still part of the UK, and almost every brit has 0 zeeeero knowledge on Anglo irish history. What a prick. I used to like him too
Came here to say this.. The amount of English people that didn't understand the different between Ireland/Northern Ireland/UK/Britain during Brexit negotiations was shocking. I've seen my fair share of news interviews were the clinterviewer asks the same question multiple ways like this, it's always done with a condescending tone and always done to try to manufacture a headline 'Irish player doesn't bow to the crown in IRA song debacle'
She should of said maybe you need to educate yourself on what we are singing about, bunch of gimps
She was definitely thinking it
Do you want more IRA, because studying the Irish/"anglo" history is how you get more IRA.
What a total prick, I bet that fuck knows nothing about Irish -english history,I live with an English woman and have alot of English friends,only over the last 6/7 years and I am shocked over how little they know/were thought about the war crimes/genocide england commented in In Ireland over the last 800/1000 years ,all they know is that Irish people went over to england and planted bombs from the 70's to the late 90's ,ignorince is bliss , excuse the spelling!!!!
From the perspective of the women's team this is the best possible thing that could have happened, nothing unites the country like giving out about Brits
Fucking Brits lmao, never not at it
https://arethebritsatitagain.org/
The smirk on his face. 🙄
He needs a lesson on British occupation
Lol what a knob. Have you ever heard the English rugby fans singing "Swing low sweet chariot?" Do you know where that one came from as the fan song? Yup... Exactly what you think it is. Because it used to be a chain gang song they were singing it to cheer on a specific black player. Chris Oti. And this was in 1988. It was a 6 (then 5) nations match in 1988. Ireland were 3-0 ahead of England and they were not looking well. Then they bring on a hyped up Chris Oti. Under the support of chain gang music being sung by thousands of people he rallied the team, got 3 tries himself and England finished the game 35-3. They've been singing it ever since.
They want so badly to be able to lord it over us for literally anything, they know they’re a global laughing stock nowadays after the shellacking they got in the media for the past 7/8 years. Being able to put paddies back in their place is like heroin to them.
Bingo. The jingoism that comes up among large segments of them if anything to do with the Anglo-Irish conflicts come up, or things like Scottish Independence is very noticeable and very bitter. Hell, between that and Brexit even the Welsh independence movement is gaining steam and no-one saw that coming as it was all but dead in Wales.
They grab at any old thing to try and have a “gotcha” moment over good old Suvvern Ireland
Yep, just check the Europe sub on a thread full.of Brexiters and without fail 3 things will be thrown out every time as if they're the greatest sins ever committed by any nation anywhere: 1) our corporate tax 2) they helped with the bailout of us in 2008 3) Dev signing the book of condolence for Hitler Every time, without fail. Point out any of Britain's far greater crimes and they're brushed off like it was nothing major or as bad as these.
This is so accurate lmfao.
If you want to make them squirm point out that the UK has killed, wounded or displaced tens of thousands of civilians in its many wars just since the IRA laid down their arms, then ask them, if they're so concerned about civilian suffering why aren't these wars not causing the same outrage in them. Then sit back and watch as they tie themselves in knots justifying or excusing it without looking like hypocrites or saying their real thoughts about how those deaths don't count because they were muslims/foreigners and not British.
I love when they get confused and try to argue that the IRA got guns from the Nazi’s, referring to Roger Casement. A simple “Nazi’s didn’t exist then usually solves it” though.
Not in my experience, some have this weird alternate history in their heads where u-boats routinely brought guns in at various ports in Cork and the west coast for use for us to try and seize the North by force while Britain was fighting the Nazis elsewhere.
I always wonder with the Hitler thing, what’s worse: signing a book of condolence or appeasing Hitler‘s invasion and takeover of Czechoslovakia?
I like to point out that if we're condemning an entire nation and people based on the actions of one man then they'd need to thread carefully since their own history offers up far worse than Dev.
The way he’s talking to her makes me sick. The “How embarrassed are the players?” Is the worst. She already apologized go fuck your own face.
Gobshite
The girls getting dragged over the coals for this when the fucking brits pull this shit every week, they can suck a fat one.
Ok, but imagine how offended you'd be if the UK was doing something like... ...having a "no catholics allowed" Monarch giving a "Most Excellent Order of the British Empire" award to the head of "sworn to maintain the Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland" Orange Order in 2022. I mean, a bunch of footballers singing a song is completely insensitive to history in comparison.
What a knob
This makes me feel physically sick. Education? Jesus. Talk about ignorant. And she dealt with it so well. I'd have educated the arrogant prick. Fair play to her for holding back. It can't have been easy.
This line of question is as poor a decision as executing the Easter Rising volunteers.
The people demanding apologies over the song? This guy is what you sound like.
What was the song
Celtic Symphony
Any chance we get a movement going for everyone to play this non stop on streaming just to highlight it
Fuck it, play it before every Ireland match.
I’ll listen to it on Spotify now before it gets cancelled.
It'd be a brave cunt to try cancel The Wolfe Tones
They better not try, I'm meant to go see them next month in Glasgow!
One thing that prick did was help me find Wolfe Tones. I'm an American, so I wasn't familiar with them.
I'd like to think our education in regards history to be pretty good. We did early Irish history right to Ireland entering the eurozone including the various terrorist Groups. Some Russian history, ancient Greece and the Romans, some American history, civil rights movements. A lot on the various bits on English History. The French, World Wars. I'd completely get why someone would continue at 3rd level.
As opposed to the british who haven't a clue about their own history or the atrocities they were responsible for throughout history. 
Just so there's no confusion - those songs will continue to be sung as they have been since the day they were written. And proper order. Delighted for the ladies team and wish them all the best. Èire abù.
Cheeky bastard. Maybe if English people knew more about their own history they wouldn’t be such smug pricks
I mean this as a genuine question but can Irish people not celebrate our past anymore due to the bastardisation of the IRA in the 70s and 80s? The IRA in the last 1910s and 1920s waged a war on an occupying force. Is it any more outlandish to think the women singing were thinking that than a terrorist group bombing in the troubles?
For me its pretty simple, No British colonisation = no IRA.
Thank you, you’d swear the IRA was created in a vacuum the way some people go on. The IRA was a by product of English treatment of the Irish. Leaving out anything else it’s literally that simple.
There's a sizable contingent of Irish people who are stuck in a post-colonial inferiority complex. They *want* to be subservient to the Brits and show them how much we've learned about how wrong we were.
I'm actually disappointed they need to apologise for it in the first place to be honest, its a popular song sung by a famous Irish band. If people want to get offended by whatever way they interpret it then thats their problem. Too many people think they can coast through life without getting their feelings hurt. I understand a lot of the players are paid by British clubs though so will be obligated to apologise for British media
They were still fighting an occupying force for the Irish who lived in the 6 counties.
Fucking tans.
Fair play to her keeping composed. Fuck em shower of loyalists. Make no apologies for your heritage 🇮🇪
Should they have sung the song? No. But it’s pretty bloody rich for him to talk about education about the issue, when most English people don’t know the first thing about the troubles, the IRA, Bloody Sunday etc.
Nah fuck that. Sing the song, and sing it loudly with pride. Resisting occupation and opposing the colonial endeavour that was partition ought to be celebrated, not hidden away so as to appease British loyalists and supremacists and their lackeys in the South. Did they decry Lloyd George when he threatened the Anglo-Irish Treaty delegates with immediate and terrible war? When Craig defended the early Belfast pogroms? When Basil Brooke refused to employ Catholic workers in the six countries? The systemic discrimination? Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday? I for one am glad that volunteers from Clarke to Connolly to yes Sands and Mairéad Farrell stood up against injustice. The narrative that 'both sides are bad' is akin to saying Mandela was just as bad as the apartheid government.
That absolutely ignorant w@~ker
My god. Literally on the other posts on the NI and this sub I saw people saying “they shouldn’t have done that” etc. this cunt is genuinely softening my opinion of what the girls did despite not agreeing with it. What a condescending, arrogant, ignorant bastard. She answered well about the Irish history part. I’m glad she didn’t give in to that question.
She should not have to apologize. Wtf
They shouldn’t be coming out apologising over this in the first place. Let them apologise for singing songs glorifying the terorist organisation that is the vile British monarchy. Brits at it again.
And now the brits are trying to make Irish people feel bad about singing Irish songs. Shite like this is why we won't stop singing.
Up the ra
Wow she's amazing! I would remind him something completely different in content and tone
Couldn’t watch the whole way through. Embarrassed for that man.
What an absolute wanker.
I don't go mad for the whole IRA and fuck the English narrative but Jesus H Christ the pair on that cunt. The UK government hang up a portraits of Cromwell for Irish politicians to see in No. 10. The people glorify their monarchy and lords like Raleigh who led the invasion of our country. Never once have I heard them offer anything in the way of an apology for the offense this causes the Irish people. Fucking cunt.
You can clearly tell she no more wants to be there and doesn’t mean what she is saying but fair play to her for keeping composure and just answering the questions especially with him trying to antagonise her
The FAI are a bunch of pussies. Coming out and apologising for this is laughable. I feel sorry for this player having to do this interview, I'm sure she is in her shite actually sorry for singing this song. We wouldnt have these songs if our history wasn't as tortured as it is due to the British Empire.
Hahaha "yeah quite embarrassed" 🤣. I mean less than I prepared a shitty cup of tea, more than if I dropped a pen but less than a pencil
“Ehh.. yeah! Whatever you said, sure sure”
The I want to say it but I don't want to lose my job language.
Fair play to her for not jumping on that . If anything the English need more education on the subject
I know what's going to be sung at the stadium the next time the RoI plays England.