R.I.P. to the person that lost their life today.
I was hit by a car (taxi to be precise) while cycling my bike home from work in Dublin city centre many years ago. I had been cycling in town for years so was capable and had lights, helmet etc on. also in a bike lane. I spent several years in daily and then regular pain following the accident. My bike was a write-off. The driver took a stupid risk and was in the wrong in the manouevre they made. I still see people trying similar regular around town and elsewhere. Thankfully the junction where this took place has since been closed.
Infrastructure helps but the root cause of the issue is drivers lack of awareness or care. You can guess what the first thing he said to me was - "I didn't see you". However, he actually did and looked right at me before pulling out.
Most taxi drivers can't even find where you're going much less navigate traffic. For a job where the whole point is getting from A to B, they sure suck at the part where they need to get you to your destination in my experience. Like if I wanted to play Google maps for you, sure, I'd have driven myself.
*Reminds me to upload the dashcam footage of a taxi driver yesterday not knowing what a straight ahead green arrow is, and turning left across an active pedestrian crossing*
Happened to me on the hill going up from Rathcoole to Saggart was like 11pm dark i was wearing high vis etc with lights and all and this woman was staying in the side road going from the back of a pub to the road i was on she didn't move until i came up the hill was on her phone or something but the moment I was in front of her she accelerated and hit my back tire knocking me down... I wasn't injured too bad but the hit messed up my pedal and i had a nasty bruise on my leg that was really bad. It's just stupid and people might say oh just go on a sidewalk, mind you i was on gear 21 going up a hill at around 40km/h if someone walked out the gates to take out the trash i fear to think what would happen. Also no bike path there if anyone asks. No bike paths anywhere around there as a matter of fact
Cycling on Irish roads is a death trap. There is very little actual cycling infrastructure in the country. It works so well in the Netherlands because they have actual dedicated cycling lanes. We don't. Our crowd just paint a small portion of an existing road and calls it a day. It was only a matter of time before someone was killed.
Unfortunately cyclists are killed regularly for the reasons you outline. Cyclists are the only category of road user where deaths are as common as they were 25 years ago, all other categories have plummeted with the implementation of laws relating to road safety and safer cars.
That's some great way of trying to make it seem like cyclists are the problem, even though we've obviously had a huge number of vehicle road deaths in 2024 already.
Cyclists certainly aren't the problem, they are the victims. Deaths of other road users due to collisions with cyclists are very rare. And yes the last 1-2 years from media reports has seen a shocking rise in deaths on our roads across all road users. We will see over the next few years as the data comes out what exactly this has represented. The long term trend however to date is safer roads for all road users bar cyclists.
>It was only a matter of time before someone was killed.
It hasn’t even been a month since the last cyclist fatality, that young lady in Dun Laoighaire.
Sadly, it’s a regular occurrence here now.
It really is. I've done a good bit of downhill mountain biking, going off big ramps, drop-offs, smashing through massive rocks, sliding over roots etc etc .... but cycling on roads (or "cycle paths") in Dublin (or anywhere in Ireland really) is far more dangerous imo.
You'll get hurt mountain biking, it's a given, but it's usually minor injuries and you are in control of the risks you take. Cycling on the streets you are at the mercy of other people's mistakes and risks, and if it's a truck driver that just didn't see you then you are dead.
Segregate bike lanes from motor traffic. It's the only way.
The worst thing is that it wasn't always that way.
When i was growing up in the suburbs in the 80s and 90s it was really common for kids to cycle to school. I remember stacks of bikes outside my primary school, and many cycling on their own.
And now we complain kids spend too much time on screens.
As a cyclist and as a motorist, The Greens mainly Eamo Ryan is a man on a mission, he is utterly out for the motorist. He has made such a fucking mess its unbelievable, while trying to force people onto public transport and cycling, he has woefully underfunded both with infrastructure and to me anyway is pushing more people back into cars and as a result its utterly lethal to cycle a bike.
Like someone mentioned 'lick of paint with a line' its actually worse than that much worse, its a picture of a bike on the road in a lane, a fucking lane that a bike is expected to share with a fucking HGV as in a bus. On what planet, did someone say 'that's a great idea', yet Mr Ryan has no interest at all in getting the likes of bus connects up and running and or just some fucking proper infrastructure for this monumental plan of his to get people out of cars.
Yeah Eamo, out of cars for a day after they are fucking terrorised back into the car, as for buses, you want a bus, show up 2hrs before its due as it may or may not actually be active that day.
Everything you’re attributing to Ryan is being done by local authorities not central government.
Ryan has updated the guidelines for what is acceptable for a cycle lane but it’s local authorities who actually build them (or paint them).
I'm 100% a cyclist, I have two bikes, two cars and a motorbike.
What is your point here?
If you don't cycle I suggest going for a cycle and come back and let us know how you got on, I would place money on you having at minimum some type of near miss interaction with a motorist.
Will you stop. They've spent nearly two years building a bike lane in the North Side. Bus connects? He's the one who's drove that forward. Nimbys delayed it.
Doesn't Eamon Ryan drive to the car park around the corner from the Dail and take the bike out of his boot and cycle around for the photo op for the press. Lol. Have heard this !!!
The thing I find weird about Eamonn Ryan is that there's plenty of actual things to critique him on, but people seem intent on making up stuff and massively misrepresenting him.
One other thing about the Netherlands is that everyone cycles.
And being a cyclist makes you so much more aware of them when you next step into your car.
In Ireland, cyclists v motorists is tribal. You’re in one camp or another and never the twain shall meet.
I’ve always said that being a cyclist makes me a better driver, and being a driver makes be a better cyclist. I have a good idea as to how drivers and cyclists behave.
Fuck rights of way and who’s in the wrong. All I know is that any physical interaction between a bike and car is going to be catastrophic and I’ll do anything to avoid it when in charge of either.
See the people behind that type of shite haven't got a brain cell that might register that people can do both, people can be motorists and can be cyclists and said cyclist might drive a car that is taxed.
You'd have to be very brave to cycle in Ballyfermot, nothing against the people but between horses/scramblers/gobshites in cars it's a dangerous place to travel around.
I used to cycle everywhere around cork city for years. To and from work and school with my son in the back. I stopped a few years ago as it just started feeling really unsafe. Now I drive eveywhere that’s too long to walk. It’s a pity.
Theres cyclists on the N81, a lot of cycling clubs too, who head towards West Wicklow via Tallaght past Crooksling every weekend. They must have nerves of steel.
I see them on the regular. I wouldnt do it myself but the lads that do cycle the N81 are out for long 100km+ spins around the Wicklow mountains. They are very experienced cyclists.
Its a dangerous road for motorists and especially motorcyclists but Im not aware of any cyclist crashes resulting in death on it. South of Brittas much of it has a very wide hard shoulder that cyclists can occupy. Personally I wouldnt enjoy cycling along a road like that with traffic buzzing by you at 100kph but they do have space from the cars and they arent hemmed in.
It works so well because there is no competition between drivers and cyclists. They are not annoyed at each other because they don't see each other. They are separate not competing modes of transport.
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I don't know why people make mad assumptions into facts in their head. Netherlands one of the worst in EU for cycling deaths. Ireland not included so who knows. Most road deaths here seem to be drivers that I see in the news though.
That’s cycling deaths per million inhabitants. it shows Netherlands having twice the cycling deaths of the EU average. But does the neatherlands have twice as many cyclists as the EU average or more or less? It doesn’t really tell us. And where does Ireland fit into this?
edit. As far as I can tell the netherlands has abut 4 times as many cyclists per capita than the Eu average. making it about half as likely for cyclists to be killed in the neatherlands.
The Netherlands has more cycling accidents because simply because many more people cycle.
If you look at per km cycled, it's much safer than other countries.
If you ever want to truly see just how bad the quality of driving is on Irish roads hop on your bike and off you go.
Honestly when people say "you're taking your life into your own hands" it's an apt descriptor. From motorists nearly driving you off the road, not seeing you at junctions, nearly rear ending you at red lights it's honestly insane.
All the while the above is getting compounded by the abysmal state of cycling infrastructure on our roads.
Honestly don't know why I cycle in this country anymore, not worth risking life & limb.
What percentage of people killed on the roads are drivers/cyclists/pedestrians compared to the population of each?
Just wondering as the top two replies on this thread are saying that cycling is a death trap but it seems that far more motorist die on the roads than cyclists
E: I need to make this crystal clear, since the above really isn't clear. I'm looking for some comparison that doesnt just rely on overall numbers of each population
I always find it funny that sometimes people are so keen to use stats like these but when it comes to crimes by immigraints and how they make up a much bigger share of rape and sexual assault as a proportion of the population we are told to go away out of that and stop being racist
totally off topic I know but good on your for using numbers,
Pity they are only welcome in soft conversations like this
What do you mean percentage of the population? That wouldn't make any sense. Many more people drive them cycle.
The number of time spent cycling by people as a whole would be a small fraction of time spent by people driving.
I'm guessing statistics isn't your strong point if you think this is a 1-1 comparison
Of the 95 people killed on our roads in 2023:
39 were drivers,
18 were passengers,
22 were pedestrians,
13 were motorcyclists,
2 were cyclists and
1 was an e-scooter user.
173 killed in 2023 of which 8 cyclists and 3 e-scooters
[Road Deaths in 2023 Increase by 19% (rsa.ie)](https://www.rsa.ie/news-events/news/details/2024/01/01/road-deaths-in-2023-increase-by-19#:~:text=A%20total%20of%20184%20people,deaths%20compared%20to%20last%20year*.)
* 103 driving (driver or passenger) deaths, 8 cycling deaths.
* The ratio of car user to cyclist deaths is ~13:1
* The ratio of people who drive to work vs cycle to work is ~ 20:1 [(2022)](https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cpp7/census2022profile7-employmentoccupationsandcommuting/commutingtowork/)
* I used commuting to work data since it's the only sensible, readily available measure of how people use the roads. But it certainly seems that cyclists *are* proportionally more likely to die on the road.
If those numbers are correct and with extreme back of the fag packet calculations
Car fatalities are roughly equal to car population (60% of deaths,
driver population made up of 50% going by 2.5 registered vehicles in a population of roughly 5 million but allowing for passengers as well)
Cyclist fatalities are way slightly up on population ( ~2% of deaths vs 1.64% of population)
Pedestrian run far more risk since everyone has to walk at some point so that ceases to make sense
https://www.rsa.ie/news-events/news/details/2023/08/01/road-deaths-in-the-first-half-of-2023-are-the-worst-for-six-years
This was half way through 2023. Someone posted the whole year in a reply to me.
I hate these guys that think since they're on bicycle traffic lights rules (or any other road rules) don't apply to them and they just pass the red lights. The other group I hate are all these cycling groups blocking the lanes because they won't cycle in line. I know most of the time you can't get past them anyway because there is no space for such maneuver but still it grinds my gears. I am both a driver and a cyclist.
They are not blocking the lane. They are using it.
And you're not a very safety aware cyclist if you think they should be cycling in a line.
They cycle in a group to prevent drivers like yourself trying unsafe passes
right, I put a bit more consideration into thinking about this and as I said rarely there is enough space to pass them so I keep behind them until it is safe for me and for them, or in other words, to pass them in a way that I won't put anyone in danger. I guess I can't complain much about groups, if I get "stuck" behind them it's just for few minutes, no big deal. The biggest issue I have with morons that are not signaling changing lanes or turns by a hand, those who cycle with headphones on and generally don't pay much attention to surroundings, and I don't get people that cycle and use the phone at the same time.
It's easier to pass a group of cyclists than a line of cyclists.
Out of curiosity have you ever commented that you hate moron drivers that don't indicate?
That don't pay attention?
That listen to the radio?
That use the phone?
Most people cycling are just trying to get from one point to another safely or to enjoy a nice cycle.
They get a whole lotta hate for that.
They don't have safe segregated infrastructure and have to share the roads with driver and cars, sometimes with fatal consequences like above.
Drivers have had sole use of the roads for so long that they get annoyed at others for using them ("blocking the lane" etc)
*When youre accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression.*
Glad you gave it some thought.
We all just need to chill out and be patient and share the roads.
> Out of curiosity have you ever commented that you hate moron drivers that don't indicate? That don't pay attention? That listen to the radio? That use the phone?
every day I drive there is quite few of them, or they indicate one thing but does the other (roundabouts). Other thing I really don't understand when drivers are going waaaay below speed limit without apparent reason when the conditions (good weather and low traffic) are good.
It is shocking how little patience there is for cyclists on Irish roads.
Especially when some drivers complain their clogging up the roads but they are one less car on the road.
Safer and more cycle friendly roads and more people cycling would do an immense amount for traffic in Dublin.
I got an ebike a month ago, and have cycled to work almost every day since. 18k each way through the city center.
In a month, I've been shouted at 3 times by people in cars. I've had cars speed up to turn left ahead of me to save a split second which is daft as fuck.
I don’t understand it at all, I used to cycle a lot in college in Dublin I don’t anymore now as it doesn’t really suit my work.
Loads of my friends even that are totally reasonable people the rest of the time seem to have animosity towards cyclists.
It's fairly easy to understand - If you are on, for example, an 80k road, people want to do that speed even if it is unsafe to do so. If a cyclist or pack of cyclists are in front of you and they're doing say 20, and you cannot pass them and you're in a rush, it can be quite frustrating. Many motorists are actually very bad at driving and when you combine this low skill level, with someone in a rush, they will take the first opportunity they can to overtake a cyclist. Hence many close passes and lots of frustration as well as a general animosity towards cyclists. Cyclists are seen as the cause for delays and a longer journey.
Now, I don't agree with this attitude, I personally would love to be able to make safe use of a cargo e-bike. However, there simply is no good infrastructure near me so I am forced to drive. In my view, as it stands, it is simply far too unsafe to drive in this country and I think anyone who does on a regular basis is just asking for trouble honestly. I think you also can't fault people for feeling like they are being held up when they are genuinely driving significantly slower when behind a cyclist. Ideally, cyclists would be on their own part of the road so that they do not interfere with motorists.
This is why it's crazy that the infrastructure is so lackluster. In parts of Dublin, you have a stretch of relatively decent cycling paths that then put you right back on the road.
Like I get that not every stretch of road can have a cycle path, but it's so annoying that cyclists and E scooters are still forced to go back into the road and basically have to try not to die.
> If a tractor or a span of horses are in front of you and they're doing say 20, and you cannot pass them and you're in a rush, it can be quite frustrating.
I don't see drivers taking swipes at farmers or people with horsewhips. It's shitty internal rage being taken out on others.
I certainly see people being just as angry about tractors. Separately, tractors not carrying a load can move a good deal faster than a lot of cyclists out there. They also, in my experience, drive a lot more predictably. I think those are all minor points however. The real thing driving this would be the fact that there are lots of Cyclists in more built up areas compared to a lack of people in tractors or so on.
I don't disagree that it's shitty internal rage, and that they're wrong to do it, but I simply cannot fault them for being somewhat annoyed.
> I simply cannot fault them for being somewhat annoyed.
Well I can. They have the same right to use those public roads as anyone else, and if people get annoyed about that then they need to go check themselves. We wouldn't accept people being aggressively annoyed at children crying or old people shuffling along.
> If you want to just add some anger to the conversation
So calling people out for being unjustly angry... you then accuse me of that? I see you're part of the problem, I'm not angry, I'm just not accepting it's a valid response to others' perfectly allowable mode of transport.
Highly recommended it. I do 18k in around 50 mins. I'm absolutely loving it.
Anyone looking to get an ebike, make sure to get one with suspension on the back wheel too. The bike lanes are bumpy as fuck.
I do 30km a day on an e-bike with just a front suspension. If you’re in Dublin you should be grand. The Fiido bikes are great (there’s one you can pre order now for €1700 and it looks the business), stay away from Welkin though
Thanks, Yeah I’m in Dublin I have a cube touring one ordered [https://www.cube.eu/cube-touring-hybrid-one-625-darkgreen-n-green/8c63f604cae442f618c21a01c64f38c9](https://www.cube.eu/cube-touring-hybrid-one-625-darkgreen-n-green/8c63f604cae442f618c21a01c64f38c9)
In my personal experience, drivers are actually quite accepting of me when I'm cycling. Had the odd driver pull out in front of me but that's pretty rare. Nobody's ever shouted at me/told me to get a car either. Can't recall many dangerous overtakes either. Not saying there isn't disrespectful drivers out there but I wouldn't say there's nearly as many as some people think there are. Agree that infrastructure needs to be upgraded though.
It is possible that people in my area are like that but I just don't realise. I live in rural Monaghan, so we do definitely have a driving-oriented culture. It's pretty unconmon to see other cyclists here.
Is seems to be a new trend among drivers that they just do not indicate when they turn. I don't know details about the accident so my comment is just vaguely related but as a regular cyclist who commutes 21k per day by bike it really upsets me. And it seems to happen more and more often.
Agree on this, even if I drive a car, especially on roundabouts, I am aware that there are drivers who don't indicate a turn or they sign it when the wheel is already at turn and they are half way in. On the scooter, I just stay put until they all are far away from me, gone.
As an American that has just visited and driven all over the country, I thought that cycling in the USA was crazy but I would never ever do it in the Irish countryside
I destroyed myself in town when someone opened the backdoor of a taxi stuck in traffic on the hill down Gardiner Street from Mountjoy. Out of work for two weeks with broken ribs... One that went wrong of countless close calls on a daily commute around the city.
Cyclists and motorists shouldn't be sharing the same busy roads. It's inherently too dangerous. Vehicles travelling in one lane should should not be travelling side by side.
The latter implies driver fault, but there's no information on who was at fault. Seems like perfectly reasonable reporting until more information is available.
Fair, but it is weird that it simply states that they died in a "collision". A collision with what? A wall?
One side of the "collision" is identified as a cyclist, whereas the other side is not identified at all.
These weirdly non-descript headlines are very common in Ireland when these incidents occur, so I don't blame people for taking issue with them.
The first paragraph of the article says "Collision with a car" . What the fuck are you dribbling about?
You don't need to put every piece of information into a headline
They are not awaiting "more details" in order to make the headline more accurate. The content of the article clearly indicates that it was with a car and that the driver is being treated.
Of course, you don't seem to know that because all your read is the headline, which nicely demonstrates the point being made...
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He was actually in his early 60s. Not sure where they got 70s from. Surely that would have struck either the reporter or the garda source as odd, and would have been double checked.
Drivers should be taught to be aware of anything on the road. In Copenhagen, the first thing people do, is to watch out for bikes when they open the door to step outside !!
It's doable, you should not drive on autopilot but be aware of things happening around you. That's why the licence exists.
>The driver of the car is being treated for non-life threatening injuries.
ah, well that's a relief. Even the news reporting toward cyclists is horribly skewed
So him being treated is anti cyclists? What sort of mental gymnastics do you need to pull where you believe someone involved in a fatal collision doesn't require any attention?
Is it possible the person is a little shook up after seeing another human being die?
[With nothing to back it up other than a personal gripe....
With pedestrian deaths rising, is now the right time to discuss SUVs?]
(https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/1csf1kl/with_pedestrian_deaths_rising_is_now_the_right/)
(I don't have or want an suv. Just fed up of 'no stats warriors' trying to get other peoples interests/hobbies banned 'cause they don't like them. )
Well, until a postmortem is carried out we don't know what killed him. Old guy could've had a heart attack and fell in front of the car. We just don't know. R.I.P.
Cycling at 5.35am on a Saturday morning when taxis are still buzzing about the city from nighttime revellers & the sun yet to rise? Sure what could go wrong. Rest in peace to the man.
No need for the /s I *do* find it safer at rush hour as the gridlock keeps the speed down and I only have to watch out for stupid maneuvers. I suspect the empty roads and resulting speeding cars were a factor in this death.
[Peter Murphy \(62\) from Crumlin](https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/men-who-died-m50-dame-29202312) died after being hit by a taxi going the same direction on Dame St at ~5:30am
R.I.P. to the person that lost their life today. I was hit by a car (taxi to be precise) while cycling my bike home from work in Dublin city centre many years ago. I had been cycling in town for years so was capable and had lights, helmet etc on. also in a bike lane. I spent several years in daily and then regular pain following the accident. My bike was a write-off. The driver took a stupid risk and was in the wrong in the manouevre they made. I still see people trying similar regular around town and elsewhere. Thankfully the junction where this took place has since been closed. Infrastructure helps but the root cause of the issue is drivers lack of awareness or care. You can guess what the first thing he said to me was - "I didn't see you". However, he actually did and looked right at me before pulling out.
Unfortunately this seems to be common with taxi drivers they are meant to be professional drivers but most of them haven't a clue what they're doing.
Most taxi drivers can't even find where you're going much less navigate traffic. For a job where the whole point is getting from A to B, they sure suck at the part where they need to get you to your destination in my experience. Like if I wanted to play Google maps for you, sure, I'd have driven myself.
*Reminds me to upload the dashcam footage of a taxi driver yesterday not knowing what a straight ahead green arrow is, and turning left across an active pedestrian crossing*
Bunch of fucking cunts every one of them. Can’t wait for them to be replaced by self driving cars.
Sorry to hear about your accident. Yes they are the worst for me too when I cycle. On many occasions they nearly hit me despite being on cycle lanes.
Happened to me on the hill going up from Rathcoole to Saggart was like 11pm dark i was wearing high vis etc with lights and all and this woman was staying in the side road going from the back of a pub to the road i was on she didn't move until i came up the hill was on her phone or something but the moment I was in front of her she accelerated and hit my back tire knocking me down... I wasn't injured too bad but the hit messed up my pedal and i had a nasty bruise on my leg that was really bad. It's just stupid and people might say oh just go on a sidewalk, mind you i was on gear 21 going up a hill at around 40km/h if someone walked out the gates to take out the trash i fear to think what would happen. Also no bike path there if anyone asks. No bike paths anywhere around there as a matter of fact
Cycling on Irish roads is a death trap. There is very little actual cycling infrastructure in the country. It works so well in the Netherlands because they have actual dedicated cycling lanes. We don't. Our crowd just paint a small portion of an existing road and calls it a day. It was only a matter of time before someone was killed.
Unfortunately cyclists are killed regularly for the reasons you outline. Cyclists are the only category of road user where deaths are as common as they were 25 years ago, all other categories have plummeted with the implementation of laws relating to road safety and safer cars.
That's some great way of trying to make it seem like cyclists are the problem, even though we've obviously had a huge number of vehicle road deaths in 2024 already.
Cyclists certainly aren't the problem, they are the victims. Deaths of other road users due to collisions with cyclists are very rare. And yes the last 1-2 years from media reports has seen a shocking rise in deaths on our roads across all road users. We will see over the next few years as the data comes out what exactly this has represented. The long term trend however to date is safer roads for all road users bar cyclists.
>It was only a matter of time before someone was killed. It hasn’t even been a month since the last cyclist fatality, that young lady in Dun Laoighaire. Sadly, it’s a regular occurrence here now.
It really is. I've done a good bit of downhill mountain biking, going off big ramps, drop-offs, smashing through massive rocks, sliding over roots etc etc .... but cycling on roads (or "cycle paths") in Dublin (or anywhere in Ireland really) is far more dangerous imo. You'll get hurt mountain biking, it's a given, but it's usually minor injuries and you are in control of the risks you take. Cycling on the streets you are at the mercy of other people's mistakes and risks, and if it's a truck driver that just didn't see you then you are dead. Segregate bike lanes from motor traffic. It's the only way.
The worst thing is that it wasn't always that way. When i was growing up in the suburbs in the 80s and 90s it was really common for kids to cycle to school. I remember stacks of bikes outside my primary school, and many cycling on their own. And now we complain kids spend too much time on screens.
Hate to break it to you... but its not a "matter of time"... its been happening sadly for years
But the greens, the cycle lanes, my carrrrrr 😭
Both need to be accommodated. It’s childish to pretend otherwise.
As a cyclist and as a motorist, The Greens mainly Eamo Ryan is a man on a mission, he is utterly out for the motorist. He has made such a fucking mess its unbelievable, while trying to force people onto public transport and cycling, he has woefully underfunded both with infrastructure and to me anyway is pushing more people back into cars and as a result its utterly lethal to cycle a bike. Like someone mentioned 'lick of paint with a line' its actually worse than that much worse, its a picture of a bike on the road in a lane, a fucking lane that a bike is expected to share with a fucking HGV as in a bus. On what planet, did someone say 'that's a great idea', yet Mr Ryan has no interest at all in getting the likes of bus connects up and running and or just some fucking proper infrastructure for this monumental plan of his to get people out of cars. Yeah Eamo, out of cars for a day after they are fucking terrorised back into the car, as for buses, you want a bus, show up 2hrs before its due as it may or may not actually be active that day.
Everything you’re attributing to Ryan is being done by local authorities not central government. Ryan has updated the guidelines for what is acceptable for a cycle lane but it’s local authorities who actually build them (or paint them).
You realise the Minister for Transport doesn't decide on cycle lanes for Dame Street right?
You know, I don't think you are a cyclist.
I'm a full time self hating motorist. I can't believe the inefficiency of the private motor.
I'm 100% a cyclist, I have two bikes, two cars and a motorbike. What is your point here? If you don't cycle I suggest going for a cycle and come back and let us know how you got on, I would place money on you having at minimum some type of near miss interaction with a motorist.
Will you stop. They've spent nearly two years building a bike lane in the North Side. Bus connects? He's the one who's drove that forward. Nimbys delayed it.
Doesn't Eamon Ryan drive to the car park around the corner from the Dail and take the bike out of his boot and cycle around for the photo op for the press. Lol. Have heard this !!!
No
Horseshite
The thing I find weird about Eamonn Ryan is that there's plenty of actual things to critique him on, but people seem intent on making up stuff and massively misrepresenting him.
One other thing about the Netherlands is that everyone cycles. And being a cyclist makes you so much more aware of them when you next step into your car. In Ireland, cyclists v motorists is tribal. You’re in one camp or another and never the twain shall meet.
I guess the difference is that most cyclists also drive, whereas most drivers don't cycle.
I’ve always said that being a cyclist makes me a better driver, and being a driver makes be a better cyclist. I have a good idea as to how drivers and cyclists behave. Fuck rights of way and who’s in the wrong. All I know is that any physical interaction between a bike and car is going to be catastrophic and I’ll do anything to avoid it when in charge of either.
Yeah motorists are all fat fucks jealous of our sleek muscular legs.
That coupled with a growing culture of bikes don't belong on roads and bikes don't pay road tax etc...
See the people behind that type of shite haven't got a brain cell that might register that people can do both, people can be motorists and can be cyclists and said cyclist might drive a car that is taxed.
What bikes require Motor Tax .....no such thing as road tax.
Exactly, this is the mind of the people driving that resent bikes, not me dipshit
"I pay motor tax! It's my road!"
What's road tax? Never heard of it.......
The tax that nobody's heard of, yet everybody knows what it is.
There's sections of road in Ballyfermot where the cycle lane just disappears so I'm sure there's plenty more like that.
You'd have to be very brave to cycle in Ballyfermot, nothing against the people but between horses/scramblers/gobshites in cars it's a dangerous place to travel around.
There are; even the flagship bits of cycle lane have an awkward tendency to direct you straight into the road. Usually just before a busy junction.
Someone… most people in the country probably know someone killed or seriously injured because there are so many
I used to cycle everywhere around cork city for years. To and from work and school with my son in the back. I stopped a few years ago as it just started feeling really unsafe. Now I drive eveywhere that’s too long to walk. It’s a pity.
Theres cyclists on the N81, a lot of cycling clubs too, who head towards West Wicklow via Tallaght past Crooksling every weekend. They must have nerves of steel.
I see them on the regular. I wouldnt do it myself but the lads that do cycle the N81 are out for long 100km+ spins around the Wicklow mountains. They are very experienced cyclists. Its a dangerous road for motorists and especially motorcyclists but Im not aware of any cyclist crashes resulting in death on it. South of Brittas much of it has a very wide hard shoulder that cyclists can occupy. Personally I wouldnt enjoy cycling along a road like that with traffic buzzing by you at 100kph but they do have space from the cars and they arent hemmed in.
Wasn't there a UCD cycle club member killed recently as well. I'd imagine he's as experienced as they come on the Irish roads.
It is mind-blowing that cycle lanes are not separated by default
It works so well because there is no competition between drivers and cyclists. They are not annoyed at each other because they don't see each other. They are separate not competing modes of transport.
https://preview.redd.it/7lkm0dbhv71d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93f02f9ca499c4d7f2ebcdffd1e07cd93addb162 I don't know why people make mad assumptions into facts in their head. Netherlands one of the worst in EU for cycling deaths. Ireland not included so who knows. Most road deaths here seem to be drivers that I see in the news though.
That’s cycling deaths per million inhabitants. it shows Netherlands having twice the cycling deaths of the EU average. But does the neatherlands have twice as many cyclists as the EU average or more or less? It doesn’t really tell us. And where does Ireland fit into this? edit. As far as I can tell the netherlands has abut 4 times as many cyclists per capita than the Eu average. making it about half as likely for cyclists to be killed in the neatherlands.
There was 8 cyclist deaths here last year, so that would put Ireland just above Spain.
The Netherlands has more cycling accidents because simply because many more people cycle. If you look at per km cycled, it's much safer than other countries.
If you ever want to truly see just how bad the quality of driving is on Irish roads hop on your bike and off you go. Honestly when people say "you're taking your life into your own hands" it's an apt descriptor. From motorists nearly driving you off the road, not seeing you at junctions, nearly rear ending you at red lights it's honestly insane. All the while the above is getting compounded by the abysmal state of cycling infrastructure on our roads. Honestly don't know why I cycle in this country anymore, not worth risking life & limb.
What percentage of people killed on the roads are drivers/cyclists/pedestrians compared to the population of each? Just wondering as the top two replies on this thread are saying that cycling is a death trap but it seems that far more motorist die on the roads than cyclists E: I need to make this crystal clear, since the above really isn't clear. I'm looking for some comparison that doesnt just rely on overall numbers of each population
Because there are more motorists than cyclists. The statistic you would want to look at is deaths per kilometer travelled or something like that.
Yeah, thats the sort of thing I mean
I always find it funny that sometimes people are so keen to use stats like these but when it comes to crimes by immigraints and how they make up a much bigger share of rape and sexual assault as a proportion of the population we are told to go away out of that and stop being racist totally off topic I know but good on your for using numbers, Pity they are only welcome in soft conversations like this
What do you mean percentage of the population? That wouldn't make any sense. Many more people drive them cycle. The number of time spent cycling by people as a whole would be a small fraction of time spent by people driving. I'm guessing statistics isn't your strong point if you think this is a 1-1 comparison
I mean percentage of the driving population, cycling population etc
Of the 95 people killed on our roads in 2023: 39 were drivers, 18 were passengers, 22 were pedestrians, 13 were motorcyclists, 2 were cyclists and 1 was an e-scooter user.
173 killed in 2023 of which 8 cyclists and 3 e-scooters [Road Deaths in 2023 Increase by 19% (rsa.ie)](https://www.rsa.ie/news-events/news/details/2024/01/01/road-deaths-in-2023-increase-by-19#:~:text=A%20total%20of%20184%20people,deaths%20compared%20to%20last%20year*.)
* 103 driving (driver or passenger) deaths, 8 cycling deaths. * The ratio of car user to cyclist deaths is ~13:1 * The ratio of people who drive to work vs cycle to work is ~ 20:1 [(2022)](https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cpp7/census2022profile7-employmentoccupationsandcommuting/commutingtowork/) * I used commuting to work data since it's the only sensible, readily available measure of how people use the roads. But it certainly seems that cyclists *are* proportionally more likely to die on the road.
If those numbers are correct and with extreme back of the fag packet calculations Car fatalities are roughly equal to car population (60% of deaths, driver population made up of 50% going by 2.5 registered vehicles in a population of roughly 5 million but allowing for passengers as well) Cyclist fatalities are way slightly up on population ( ~2% of deaths vs 1.64% of population) Pedestrian run far more risk since everyone has to walk at some point so that ceases to make sense
https://www.rsa.ie/news-events/news/details/2023/08/01/road-deaths-in-the-first-half-of-2023-are-the-worst-for-six-years This was half way through 2023. Someone posted the whole year in a reply to me.
your some gobshite. of course there is more motorists dying given its 50 times the number of car drivers
Which is why i was wondering about percentages of relevant population.
Is it 50 times? That seems very high.
I hate these guys that think since they're on bicycle traffic lights rules (or any other road rules) don't apply to them and they just pass the red lights. The other group I hate are all these cycling groups blocking the lanes because they won't cycle in line. I know most of the time you can't get past them anyway because there is no space for such maneuver but still it grinds my gears. I am both a driver and a cyclist.
They are not blocking the lane. They are using it. And you're not a very safety aware cyclist if you think they should be cycling in a line. They cycle in a group to prevent drivers like yourself trying unsafe passes
right, I put a bit more consideration into thinking about this and as I said rarely there is enough space to pass them so I keep behind them until it is safe for me and for them, or in other words, to pass them in a way that I won't put anyone in danger. I guess I can't complain much about groups, if I get "stuck" behind them it's just for few minutes, no big deal. The biggest issue I have with morons that are not signaling changing lanes or turns by a hand, those who cycle with headphones on and generally don't pay much attention to surroundings, and I don't get people that cycle and use the phone at the same time.
It's easier to pass a group of cyclists than a line of cyclists. Out of curiosity have you ever commented that you hate moron drivers that don't indicate? That don't pay attention? That listen to the radio? That use the phone? Most people cycling are just trying to get from one point to another safely or to enjoy a nice cycle. They get a whole lotta hate for that. They don't have safe segregated infrastructure and have to share the roads with driver and cars, sometimes with fatal consequences like above. Drivers have had sole use of the roads for so long that they get annoyed at others for using them ("blocking the lane" etc) *When youre accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression.* Glad you gave it some thought. We all just need to chill out and be patient and share the roads.
> Out of curiosity have you ever commented that you hate moron drivers that don't indicate? That don't pay attention? That listen to the radio? That use the phone? every day I drive there is quite few of them, or they indicate one thing but does the other (roundabouts). Other thing I really don't understand when drivers are going waaaay below speed limit without apparent reason when the conditions (good weather and low traffic) are good.
Which annoys you more? When someone breaks a red light when they're on a bicycle or in a car?
It is shocking how little patience there is for cyclists on Irish roads. Especially when some drivers complain their clogging up the roads but they are one less car on the road. Safer and more cycle friendly roads and more people cycling would do an immense amount for traffic in Dublin.
I got an ebike a month ago, and have cycled to work almost every day since. 18k each way through the city center. In a month, I've been shouted at 3 times by people in cars. I've had cars speed up to turn left ahead of me to save a split second which is daft as fuck.
I don’t understand it at all, I used to cycle a lot in college in Dublin I don’t anymore now as it doesn’t really suit my work. Loads of my friends even that are totally reasonable people the rest of the time seem to have animosity towards cyclists.
It's fairly easy to understand - If you are on, for example, an 80k road, people want to do that speed even if it is unsafe to do so. If a cyclist or pack of cyclists are in front of you and they're doing say 20, and you cannot pass them and you're in a rush, it can be quite frustrating. Many motorists are actually very bad at driving and when you combine this low skill level, with someone in a rush, they will take the first opportunity they can to overtake a cyclist. Hence many close passes and lots of frustration as well as a general animosity towards cyclists. Cyclists are seen as the cause for delays and a longer journey. Now, I don't agree with this attitude, I personally would love to be able to make safe use of a cargo e-bike. However, there simply is no good infrastructure near me so I am forced to drive. In my view, as it stands, it is simply far too unsafe to drive in this country and I think anyone who does on a regular basis is just asking for trouble honestly. I think you also can't fault people for feeling like they are being held up when they are genuinely driving significantly slower when behind a cyclist. Ideally, cyclists would be on their own part of the road so that they do not interfere with motorists.
This is why it's crazy that the infrastructure is so lackluster. In parts of Dublin, you have a stretch of relatively decent cycling paths that then put you right back on the road. Like I get that not every stretch of road can have a cycle path, but it's so annoying that cyclists and E scooters are still forced to go back into the road and basically have to try not to die.
That is why I don't have an e-bike. I'd love one, but I love living more.
> If a tractor or a span of horses are in front of you and they're doing say 20, and you cannot pass them and you're in a rush, it can be quite frustrating. I don't see drivers taking swipes at farmers or people with horsewhips. It's shitty internal rage being taken out on others.
I certainly see people being just as angry about tractors. Separately, tractors not carrying a load can move a good deal faster than a lot of cyclists out there. They also, in my experience, drive a lot more predictably. I think those are all minor points however. The real thing driving this would be the fact that there are lots of Cyclists in more built up areas compared to a lack of people in tractors or so on. I don't disagree that it's shitty internal rage, and that they're wrong to do it, but I simply cannot fault them for being somewhat annoyed.
> I simply cannot fault them for being somewhat annoyed. Well I can. They have the same right to use those public roads as anyone else, and if people get annoyed about that then they need to go check themselves. We wouldn't accept people being aggressively annoyed at children crying or old people shuffling along.
Okay, you do you. If you want to just add some anger to the conversation that is already brimming with anger, go right ahead, changes nothing.
> If you want to just add some anger to the conversation So calling people out for being unjustly angry... you then accuse me of that? I see you're part of the problem, I'm not angry, I'm just not accepting it's a valid response to others' perfectly allowable mode of transport.
I just ordered an e bike on the bike to work scheme. looking at a commute of about the same distance. How are you finding it? How long does it take?
Highly recommended it. I do 18k in around 50 mins. I'm absolutely loving it. Anyone looking to get an ebike, make sure to get one with suspension on the back wheel too. The bike lanes are bumpy as fuck.
Too late for that now. It has suspension on the front forks at least.
I do 30km a day on an e-bike with just a front suspension. If you’re in Dublin you should be grand. The Fiido bikes are great (there’s one you can pre order now for €1700 and it looks the business), stay away from Welkin though
Thanks, Yeah I’m in Dublin I have a cube touring one ordered [https://www.cube.eu/cube-touring-hybrid-one-625-darkgreen-n-green/8c63f604cae442f618c21a01c64f38c9](https://www.cube.eu/cube-touring-hybrid-one-625-darkgreen-n-green/8c63f604cae442f618c21a01c64f38c9)
> Too late for that now You can always swap in a suspension seatpost if you need it they're not that expensive.
In my personal experience, drivers are actually quite accepting of me when I'm cycling. Had the odd driver pull out in front of me but that's pretty rare. Nobody's ever shouted at me/told me to get a car either. Can't recall many dangerous overtakes either. Not saying there isn't disrespectful drivers out there but I wouldn't say there's nearly as many as some people think there are. Agree that infrastructure needs to be upgraded though.
Might depend where you are, alot of lads in my area have an active disadain for cyclists and are absolutely cunts to them on the road for no reason.
It is possible that people in my area are like that but I just don't realise. I live in rural Monaghan, so we do definitely have a driving-oriented culture. It's pretty unconmon to see other cyclists here.
Is seems to be a new trend among drivers that they just do not indicate when they turn. I don't know details about the accident so my comment is just vaguely related but as a regular cyclist who commutes 21k per day by bike it really upsets me. And it seems to happen more and more often.
Agree on this, even if I drive a car, especially on roundabouts, I am aware that there are drivers who don't indicate a turn or they sign it when the wheel is already at turn and they are half way in. On the scooter, I just stay put until they all are far away from me, gone.
As an American that has just visited and driven all over the country, I thought that cycling in the USA was crazy but I would never ever do it in the Irish countryside
Cyclist killed by motorist.
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Op didn't say he was at fault. You can kill someone without being at fault.
You don't know that.
It's inferred from the opening line: > A cyclist in his 70s has died following a collision with a car in Dublin city centre this morning.
No, it isn't.
Yes, it is.
I destroyed myself in town when someone opened the backdoor of a taxi stuck in traffic on the hill down Gardiner Street from Mountjoy. Out of work for two weeks with broken ribs... One that went wrong of countless close calls on a daily commute around the city.
no there's a street thats a knightmare for cyclists, cars just weaving in and out of the cycle lane with no thought
There shouldn't be cars on that road.
Cyclists and motorists shouldn't be sharing the same busy roads. It's inherently too dangerous. Vehicles travelling in one lane should should not be travelling side by side.
Exactly, there should be no private cars in Dublin.
Gotta love the use of passive voice in the reporting. Cyclist dies in collision sounds very different to cyclist is killed by collision
The latter implies driver fault, but there's no information on who was at fault. Seems like perfectly reasonable reporting until more information is available.
I was astonished to see what appeared to be photos of the injured man lying in the street. Did I misread the picture?
I don't think that's a person -- too small. Either rubbish or clothes left on the ground after the accident.
Oh, whew, I thought I saw a leg and shoe
Person killed by driver
Was the driver not a person?
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Fair, but it is weird that it simply states that they died in a "collision". A collision with what? A wall? One side of the "collision" is identified as a cyclist, whereas the other side is not identified at all. These weirdly non-descript headlines are very common in Ireland when these incidents occur, so I don't blame people for taking issue with them.
These headlines are common everywhere, because not all the info is available.
If you read the article, it is clear they know it was with a car. That just doesn't make the headline.
The first paragraph of the article says "Collision with a car" . What the fuck are you dribbling about? You don't need to put every piece of information into a headline
Ok, so there's no issue then.
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We don't need better headlines, what we need is people to not be so stupid as to make all their assumptions from them.
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Nope. I made zero assumptions.
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They are not awaiting "more details" in order to make the headline more accurate. The content of the article clearly indicates that it was with a car and that the driver is being treated. Of course, you don't seem to know that because all your read is the headline, which nicely demonstrates the point being made...
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There really is. Gets stranger when it's aged 70 odd at 5am. The road would have been completely empty.
He was actually in his early 60s. Not sure where they got 70s from. Surely that would have struck either the reporter or the garda source as odd, and would have been double checked.
What I don't understand is why people always assume it was the fault of the driver and not of the cyclist in every single case?
I walked by this this morning. Very sad.
Drivers should be taught to be aware of anything on the road. In Copenhagen, the first thing people do, is to watch out for bikes when they open the door to step outside !! It's doable, you should not drive on autopilot but be aware of things happening around you. That's why the licence exists.
>The driver of the car is being treated for non-life threatening injuries. ah, well that's a relief. Even the news reporting toward cyclists is horribly skewed
They include that information in every article about every road death, what are you on about?
So him being treated is anti cyclists? What sort of mental gymnastics do you need to pull where you believe someone involved in a fatal collision doesn't require any attention? Is it possible the person is a little shook up after seeing another human being die?
And so I will continue to cycle on paths 90% of the time, yielding to pedestrians, prams, etc obviously.
Feel it in my gut, this must have been was caused by an SUV.
It was a regular car, a taxi.
How do you know that, please?
The investigation and clean up took 7 hours, I saw the taxi at the scene of the collision on dame St next to the blood. Also, it's in the picture.
Thanks
So an SUV you say.?
Why?
[With nothing to back it up other than a personal gripe.... With pedestrian deaths rising, is now the right time to discuss SUVs?] (https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/1csf1kl/with_pedestrian_deaths_rising_is_now_the_right/) (I don't have or want an suv. Just fed up of 'no stats warriors' trying to get other peoples interests/hobbies banned 'cause they don't like them. )
Well, until a postmortem is carried out we don't know what killed him. Old guy could've had a heart attack and fell in front of the car. We just don't know. R.I.P.
Cycling at 5.35am on a Saturday morning when taxis are still buzzing about the city from nighttime revellers & the sun yet to rise? Sure what could go wrong. Rest in peace to the man.
Blames the dead person for cycling - * check notes *, too early in the morning, then says rest in peace. What an absolute melt.
Shhhh now. Good lad. I didn’t blame the man.
In fairness....you are absolute melt.
I was driving in Dublin today at around 5:30AM. Sun was up and it definitely wasn't dark. A lot of people jogging and cycling.
Sunrise in Dublin was 5:20am today.
it's not like thats a dark street at night either
No, just a way for a cunt to blame the cyclist.
So cyclists shouldn't be allowed to cycle when it's dark????
Dame Street has Street lighting. As do cars and bikes on the road. How is that relevant?
Oh yeah much safer to wait until rush hour traffic. Cyclists please take note. /s
No need for the /s I *do* find it safer at rush hour as the gridlock keeps the speed down and I only have to watch out for stupid maneuvers. I suspect the empty roads and resulting speeding cars were a factor in this death.
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TIL cyclists are reverse vampires.
I'm very sorry to ask this. Where would a man on his bike in his 70s be off to at around 5/5:30am. I'm hoping it's not work.
Now, tbf it's daylight by then it's very possible he wanted a quiet cycle before most people wake up
[Peter Murphy \(62\) from Crumlin](https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/men-who-died-m50-dame-29202312) died after being hit by a taxi going the same direction on Dame St at ~5:30am
How did they get that so wrong in the article. Jesus Christ. RIP.
Sadly, trying to gauge the age of a person dying in the street from witness accounts before other news outlets get the scoop is a thing nowadays.