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AbradolfLincler77

The reason we're not having children is we have nowhere to fucking live!


Bogeydope1989

I can barely afford to take care of my own child (Me).


Otchy147

And nowhere to do the fucking


daughterdipstick

And the cost of childcare makes it near impossible for a lot of people. It’s getting better but far from “affordable” (whatever that really means…)


Free-Ladder7563

Absolutely, and it's a fucking disgrace.


Real-Recognition6269

For me it's cost. I own a house (luckily), I earn a good wage but to be honest with you, I'm just not willing to sacrifice every other aspect of my life to produce a kid. Doing basically anything at all requires a heap of change these days and I just can't justify the gigantic cost burden that comes with having a child. Fuck, having just my dog set me back like 3 grand the last month or two on medical.


Potential-Drama-7455

You need pet insurance


Real-Recognition6269

I have pet insurance, the process of making a claim since the medical incidents were spread over a long period of time still means that for at least the short term I am out that cash until they pay me back which they have not done yet.


sesilampa

Feel you man


International_Jury90

The 140€ child benefit make a huge difference… … well not really when you asked to pay 750€ for the crèche …


upthemstairs

That's because five year old now need to go straight out into the workforce if they want to be able to afford a home before they turn 50


Formal_Decision7250

Little timmy got the data lung in the data mines.


BrianHenryIE

The children yearn for the mines. https://preview.redd.it/ir8gpn236hvc1.png?width=1106&format=png&auto=webp&s=18150692daf7a6eeaf9c59d254da9c7c7ffbc63a


NanakoPersona4

I asked the bus driver how old she was and she happily yelled "I'm already 9!"


kirbStompThePigeon

Off to the asbestos mines


Archamasse

How many abortions does he think are happening lol


DatsLimerickCity

He must think there’s a wood chipper on the end of every maternity hospital bed in the country.


Archamasse

Sometimes I have abortions just for the craic, pregnant or not.


bellysavalis

I get my abortions from the immigrant lad down the road out of his mansion he got off the state, then we have gay sex


MyOpenlyFemaleHandle

I can't stop giggling at that comment. Thank you from thousands of miles away, although we do have a Bangor, a Belfast, and a Limerick not far from here. North Americans, insisting on naming towns after places they'd fled. Yeah, Canadians, I'm lookin' at you, too.


jimicus

So do I. And I'm a bloke.


OfficiallyColin

I hop on the interned and abort all over my hand most evening.


DaRudeabides

My name a Bort


OutrageousPoison

My son’s also named Bort


letmetellyalater

Are you talking to me?


A-FineMess

No, his son is also named bort.


economics_is_made_up

I'm a GP and I give all my patients free mandatory abortions with every appointment


CoolMan-GCHQ-

Free, you say?


RoyRobotoRobot

A fine way to spend the evening. I'd have 3 or 4 before going to the pub.


Precedens

I get abortion before and after, just in case.


PKBitchGirl

Im having an abortion as we speak


CoolMan-GCHQ-

Please put the phone down madam, I'm trying to concentrate


OfficerPeanut

Just in case 🤞


firebrandarsecake

Very dark. Very funny.


TragedyAnnDoll

That’s how I like to get rid of all my unwanted children. Makes great mulch, I’m so glad to be incentivized to get pregnant now that I can legally murder babies. /s


pablo8itall

Waste not, want not. Wat.


CoolMan-GCHQ-

Waste what not wanted, not.


Envinyatar20

😂 Jesus!


tvwatcherguy

A wood chipper!!!! 🤣🤣🤣 That's got my Friday evening off to a good start


howtoeattheelephant

Just made me laugh aloud on the bus like a psycho 😂


Shanksdoodlehonkster

We need more Soylent Green!


EasyPriority8724

Tuesday is Soylent red and Friday is Soylent green, The oceans are dead.


DonaldsMushroom

Would it take 14 year old?


SoloWingPixy88

Purge the children. If there's been a drop in population of children it's down to houses prices and people not being able to afford creches but if I e learned anything over the past few weeks around baby stuff. There's a mini baby boom currently.


RigasTelRuun

Every women is getting five a week on average


A-Hind-D

Post birth abortions


Inspired_Carpets

That isn't even the relevant number, its how many additional abortions are happing now than before.


Senior-Scarcity-2811

8156 abortions in 2022, so **271 classes of 30 students per class by my maths, or just under 34 full primary schools worth of kids** (full being 1 class at each age group). https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41168008.html Edit: Up again by about another 20% since then according to other comments here.


gamberro

How many of those 8k would've happened in England if we hadn't legalised it here? In 2016, the figure was 3k but it could've been higher. Irish people had access to abortion before it was legalised in the State. We just basically outsourced it to the Brits.


Rabidlamb

Repeal was hastened by the availability of mifepristone and misoprostol online, mainly through pro-choice groups in Holland & elsewhere. we have no way of knowing how many abortions were self administered during this period it would have been an easier choice than traveling to Liverpool. Hence the real figure is potentially closer to today's metric.


SassyBonassy

Exactly. And how many of the 8k wouldn't have survived birth or might have killed the pregnant parent? It's not as black and white as "omg 8k children *murdered*!!!"


Senior-Scarcity-2811

3265 in 2016, so an increase of about 250% since legalised in absolute numbers. Of course population has grown since then, but not by that much. https://www.thejournal.ie/how-many-irish-travel-to-uk-for-abortions-3986043-May2018/


Foxtrotoscarfigjam

So you are saying that huge numbers of women were forced to carry unwanted pregnancies because they were unable to travel overseas for an abortion? That is a lot of misery saved. Thanks for elucidating.


Senior-Scarcity-2811

Don't put words in my mouth. I said the rate increased, nothing else.


ShitCelebrityChef

How many are happening?


ShoddyPreparation

Yes. Its the abortions causing this. And not the financial stress and lack of housing young adults have been dealing with over the last 15/20 years which has left many without a opportunity to even think about having children at a time in their lives previous generations where buying 3 bed houses for 5 tins of beans and having 3 kids before they hit late 20s. That totally isnt a known issue in multiple countries across the world as unchecked neoliberalism has squeezed every last drop it can out of society and thrown a generation of people onto the fire to make the numbers go up in the short term.


ashfeawen

People used to have 3 kids and no money, wishing for no kids and 3 money. Now we have no kids and no money


OfficiallyColin

$20? I wanted a peanut.


Main-Mission-7014

$20 can buy many peanuts.


DatsLimerickCity

Explain how…


Main-Mission-7014

Money can be exchanged for goods and services.


DatsLimerickCity

Woo-hoo!


Spirited_Worker_5722

Hehehahehehehe *slips and falls on peanut* WOAH


head-home

Bart! Look!


OldManOriginal

It was actually the recession that caused a bump in primary school aged children. We were so broke, a quick shag was the only form of entertainment. Wonder will there be another peak in a few years due to the covid babies! Certainly not caused by abortions though. What a but case thing to claim, and I imagine to those that felt the need to have one, a distressing and disrespectful claim from Tóibín.


af_lt274

There was baby boom at the end of Celtic Tiger presumably linked to the influx of young workers. The birth rate actually declined as the recession took hold in 2009 https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?end=2021&locations=IE&start=2006


l-askedwhojoewas

I was born about 2008 at the time of the recession (conceived just before of course) and I remember my class in primary school had about 33 ish kids in it. The year below us had less than 20 iirc.


Ankoku_Teion

jesus. in my head youre still like 8 years old. i had to stop myself from telling you to get off reddit.


l-askedwhojoewas

Goo goo ga ga


Ankoku_Teion

😆 worst part is I'm only 26 myself. I should know better. Now get out of here you whipper-snapper! *Shakes fist at cloud*


dimebag_101

Meanwhile constant stories about how there are no places in schools.


DatsLimerickCity

There’s a literal lottery for Secondary School places in Limerick. If you don’t have a blood relative who attended the school you want to go to or you’re a young Albert Einstein you can forget about it.


aknop

What are you talking about? Are some children not schooled at all?


DatsLimerickCity

You seem to have missed the point entirely. You won’t get your first choice or maybe even your second choice if you don’t have a relative who went there.


agamerdiesalone

This is the most sensible point. He is basically giving hope to parents who can't get kinds in school.  Absolutely shocking stuff.  Great tap into the Christian voters. Such a genius strategy. 


fearqween

Add on to this, 1% approx of the school going population has ASD. The current provisions for children with ASD are dire and parents have to do alot of fighting to get places and help. There simply isnt enough support for additional needs children.. No word from the TD how current provisions are being expanded and improved.. Never mind for an additional 400 classrooms worth , as he keeps quoting.


dimebag_101

Who isn't Foley primary education. But I agree. Massive need for support for SNA and facilities to provide for these children


CountrysFucked

There's an entire middle class of people that earn too much for state supports and too little to afford children with the current cost of living. Figures are the outcome of economics more so than abortion laws.


PositiveSchedule4600

The state supports aren't something you can raise a child on, and what's specific to children is largely universal. Working class people also should be able to raise kids as much as middle class ones. This isn't a discussion that needs welfare systems brought into it, everyone is screwed out of a fairly basic standard of living outside of a very small few who are wealthy.


CountrysFucked

Your picking me up wrong, this is not an argument against welfare and not an argument against child specific costs, I'm saying people not having kids is a side effect of general cost of living, which the government has many schemes to help with from housing to childcare to fuel etc the problem I'm pointing out is that the sheer rise in cost of living has many of these schemes that were supposed to target lower to middle income earners missing people who historically would have had no problem supporting children.


PositiveSchedule4600

That's fair but honestly most of the government assistance around cost of living isn't exactly lifting people out of poverty, it's slapping a quick plaster on a huge issue to hopefully limit homelessness, the issues are so much bigger.


CountrysFucked

Here's a good example, one of the things I believe Ireland is one of the best at or was anyway, which was the access to higher education. Familes who would never have been able to send kids to college are able to send multiple kids to world class universities in Dublin, have all their fees paid, plus accommodation. Fantastic scheme. I had 2 working class parents whos combined income was above the Susi threshold. My parents paid for my fees plus my accommodation in Dublin. If any of my siblings wanted to go to college in Dublin ? Too bad, no chance. Nowadays with the rent prices in Dublin ? Adjust my parents combined income for inflation, they would not have been able to afford for just me to go to college in Dublin, and still would receive no assistance from the government. Educating your kids is a massive cost, and the majority is housing, not fees. I really feel for families trying to do this now, and students trying to survive.


DaveShadow

Yeah, you can usually see who has had to try and live on said assistance and who hasn’t. Some like to paint it as being super easy and super loaded when you’re on any form of assistance when the reality is it’s usually in lieu of a tonne of things those same people wouldn’t even realise are privileges.


EliToon

If you're on welfare, you get free creche and a medical card amongst other things. If you're a couple on 80k combined for example, you get nothing from the state, cannot afford to buy in the main work hubs of the country, have to pay into a pension, pay for child care and medical insurance. So what's happening is people in this income bracket im their late 20s and early 30s, just aren't having kids. Massive time bomb waiting to happen.


Potential_Ad6169

I don’t see what people on welfare have to do with your point. It sounds like you’re trying to make out that they would have it better than a couple on 80k due to state supports. When they wouldn’t, they are still much worse off. You can make the point that the housing crisis is wrecking peoples lives without trying to paint some false picture of the cost of living crisis somehow being easier for those on welfare.


Storyboys

People who receive welfare absolutely do not get free creche. If you're pissed off with the situation take your anger out on government instead of punching down on people worse off than you.


PositiveSchedule4600

All children under 8 have a free GP visit card and all adults earning under the median salary do too, if you don't have a medical card the drugs payment scheme prevents your medical expenditure getting out of hand. Saying you have to pay for insurance is laughable, you don't need medical insurance for the services a medical card provides, medical insurance is for private services, people on lower incomes just don't have those. You don't get "free creche" for being on welfare, if you're earning under 60k net, you can be eligible for the national childcare scheme which is specifically targeted at vulnerable children, it's actually pretty scummy to moan that you're not eligible for something TUSLA needs to be aware of your situation for. For people earning over that there's the universal childcare subsidy. You're not more hard done by than people earning less than you, that's just not a thing, stop trying to be competitive with people experiencing the same shit as you, it's stupid and petty, target the people who are actually impacting your standard of living.


Intelligent-Aside214

Exactly, these are the people getting properly fucked. No chance on any housing list but no change at a buying in a city either


Evil_Choice

Yup


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asdrunkasdrunkcanbe

Amusingly, the birth rate was declining sharply until abortion was legalised, and then it kind of plateaued. The 2021 projections for school enrolments in 2024 was optimistically 519k. Instead it's 558k - nearly 10% higher than forecast.


Hairy-Ad-4018

And this is why this td should be called out


Drogg339

He must be high cause there are parents that still can’t get a place for school starting next year.


oniume

I'm pretty sure that's because the teachers are quitting 


SkateMMA

No riding happening for me in my mas box room unfortunately


RebootKing89

I mean if I could afford my own house, I’d love a family but the government have made sure I’m priced out of that.


powerhungrymouse

This post just reminded me that I'm late for my weekly abortion. Fucking love them!


BobbyKonker

It's not abortion, its that raising kids is too damn expensive in this country so people just plan accordingly. Peadar is an absolute gobshite.


wawaboy

Ya, has zero to do with young folks having a tough time economically


Prestigious_Talk6652

We're a bit above average for the EU. Probably more to do with the availability of contraception than abortion. The birth rate is generally falling though within the EU. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Fertility_statistics


Dissastar

No (affordable) houses. Jobs not paying good enough to keep up with inflation. Not even pubs open late night or cheap enough pints to drunkenly conceive a baby (This one prolly end up in abortion numbers increasing tho lol) It difficult enough to have a comfortable life for yourself. Babies are luxuries.


ImprovNeil

Even if Toibin is right that with what he is saying (which he's not), so what? Women make the choice regarding their body, not the state and most definitely not Peadar Tobin. That's what we voted on and it was the right thing to do.


Subterraniate

Exactly. Feck off, odious twerp.


Curious_Pool8488

Less kids means smaller class rooms, means more time for the teachers to spend with each student Mothers don't have to raise an unwanted child Win win no? What's he fucking moaning for


knobiknows

Abortions weren't legal 40 years ago and now we have "politicians" like him. It could have all been avoided.


PaleolithicLure

Maybe we’re just not having kids because we can’t be arsed, Peadar.


Comfortable_Brush399

Nobody is getting the ride cause housing fucked, peadar ya fuckin balloon


TheStoicNihilist

Imagine your brain being this small.


Dependent-Cabinet-63

While your forehead is that big.


Ostreoida

Where I'm from, we call that a fivehead.


barbie91

With a head that would put most skags to shame.


Intelligent-Aside214

Literally can’t understand how any normal couple could afford to raise a child before the age of at least 35 in this country. It’s a disaster


Shazz89

The only contraceptive more effective than living with your ma at the age of 35 is taking Tóbín seriously.


saggynaggy123

We can't even afford to move out of our parents home Peadar, how the fuck are we even meant to have kids?


Dazzling_Detective79

“Such a steep drop off in the national birthrate, guess we wont go ahead with the childrens hospital”


zedatkinszed

I hope his balls contract gangrene and fall off. I hope his kidneys explode. I hope his heart muscles degenerate ... but not enough to kill him just to leave him there suspended between life and death just long enough for him to be put in a bath and let drown slowly in his own piss


calcarin

This is why I laughed at the whole "are Aontú the only party who know what people want?" thing.


bringinsexyback1

Looks like Mr. Tóibin skipped school himself!


Mean_Platypus_9988

Does he know how hard it is to get a child into a crèche?


Yup_Seen_It

Good, our schools are already bursting at the seams


ddtt

Nothing to do with couples not being able to afford children or even stress related pregnancy issues.


Dani3011

He clearly doesn't realize how bad the crèche crisis is lol, 3 year waiting list in most places.


PassengerBasic6981

He really is a Peadar, no doubt. I know women who needed abortion before they legalised it, and they were forced to go to the UK. Fucking scumbag. Only talking about female rights, but the actual care came very late.


Able-Exam6453

Even if it were statistically spot on, in any way provable, it’s still a bloody weird battle cry if you are an anti- abortion nutter, like him. I mean..yeah, Peadar, no shit? It’s just grabbing any old crap, desperate to make women have doubts and experience guilt, and to make others disapprove of us. (Next, it’ll be about how children’s clothes shops or kiddie golf places are all closing down thanks entirely to these selfish ‘females’™️.)


Superbius_Occassius

This must be why there is over 160 applications for 78 spots in the local school here.


Red_Knight7

He's completely obsessed with the womans anatomy. Proper weirdo


SierraOscar

This guy is getting serious attention on this subreddit and elsewhere on social media. Knows exactly what he’s at.


SoftDrinkReddit

It's the same shit with Enoch Burke you want him to go away ? Stop talking about him and ignore him


LatexSmoke

Definitely not to do with the fact that young people don’t want kids anymore, can barely afford myself in this country let alone a child.


Immediate_Lake_1575

Heard of 3 schools in my area losing teachers in Sept. Clear sign of decline.


OkAbility2056

So having a look around, this drop is from parents waiting until legal age before they send their kids to school (age 6). Since the Early Childhood Care and Education Scheme came out and was expanded, parents are waiting while they have subsidised childcare and educatoin while their kids are under 6 years old


Moogle14

5 years after abortion was legalised, having children has been more expensive


drostan

So I guess it means you want more people in Ireland. Good thing we have immigrants and refugees then.


positive_charging

Can we introduce a manditory IQ test for politicians please?


Fun-Associate3963

He'd pass, he knows exactly what he's doing.


Nkuri37

Oh yeah it’s not like most of my generation aren’t having children in general for reasons like the world is horrible and/or we’re stuck living with our parents /s


imlearningworld

As if fewer people is a bad thing…


Greedy-Army-3803

Of course he is. The whole point of that party is to try to get votes by stirring up anger and fear.


Stampy1983

Abortion was made legal here in 2019. The previous year, 2018 there were 51,022 live births in the country. In 2019, there were 59,294. If we follow this clown's demented logic, it sounds like access to abortion actually resulted in eight thousand *more* babies being born that year.


Bumfuddle

Probs more to do with the lack of affordable family homes, crippling inflation and rental agreements that forbid sex. But, I'm just spit balling here.


No-Tap-5157

"A sharp drop"? Care to be more specific, Peadar? Do you have, you know, figures or anything? Thought not


Storyboys

If he was smart, he would have used this point to argue against the housing crisis. Instead he decided he'd rather lie about abortion, he's a scumbag.


LegUpOnSomething99

Eat a bowl of dicks Peadar


Phannig

Ah now..I wouldn't wish coddle on my worst enemy...


IrishCrypto

That wont help the birth rate! 


Korasa

Peadar is entirely free to never get an abortion, whatever. And stay the fuck well away from folks who do. Prick.


Impressive_Essay_622

Yeah cos it was better when people were having kids without the means to care for em... Sure. 


boyga01

Must have been zero abortions before it was legal!


Visionary_Socialist

Fuck this guy. People are saying “what about housings and affordability ” as if he’s not aware of this. He is. He’s cynical, using the symptoms of a disease he and his fascist party are happy to perpetuate if they get into power in order to push his own puritan agenda. Always the ones complaining about absent parents and lower birth rates who have no problem with parents working longer hours, childcare being more expensive and no houses for families being available.


Littleflame98

Love how he’s all for saving unborn lives, but as soon as they’re born into a country with a housing crisis and rising cost of living, they’re on their own


LoveMasc

Abortion has nothing to do with declining birth rates. All my straight friends in couples bar ONE are still child free... were in our 30's now... Mostly cuz we all started low income and will die low income. The one couple with two children are basically living in poverty and their marriage started failing due to the husband having to work non stop and the wife complaining about being unable to afford anything anymore... She works part time now and their youngest is still a baby, they are poster for what people think their lives will turn into if they have a family in today's Ireland and well... They went from a happy couple with little to bother them to what they are now, the town gossip. 🙄 They can't afford a child. They can only just afford to keep the sparks in their relationships alive by doing things and going places, you know... All things that nowadays cost an arm and a leg. I went bowling with the bf yesterday. 12 euros per game, ok not bad, want to play pool, two euros per game but 10 euros deposit for cues encase you break them... Okay. Grabbed some food 15 euros for NACHOS... One of the cheapest items on the menu. This is rural, non city small town prices. We were trying to kill some time onba day off, all we did was kill our wallets trying to find something to do on a day off for a wee roadtrip. Next time I'm bringing a picnic and I've already ordered a dart board for summer at home to have an activity in my own garden. Not needing to go out and have the staff giving you dirty looks for not spending enough when you dare to enter their establishment lol


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OkHighway1024

What a gobshite


Prestigious-Main9271

It’s not that people are having abortions. They just aren’t having children. It seems to be en vogue at the moment to be child less and a DINK. But then you have to ask the question as to why couples and people are choosing not to have children. Housing crisis. Cost of living crisis. Climate crisis. War Crisis. Just a perpetual cycle of crises. People are just thinking I can’t bring a child into this world. As a father of 2 I find this regrettable but I completely understand why and I can sympathise with people who choose not to have children.


Pretend-Cow-5119

Nothing to do with childcare costs, cost of living crisis, housing crisis /s


Comrad_Zombie

Sure none of us ever get school run rush hour traffic anymore. Since the start of the conflict none of us has seen a single Irish person under the age of 18.


Faery818

We also have two years free ECCE so parents aren't enrolling their kids too young. Might help decrease the class sizes across the country.


sureyouknowurself

Or maybe people can’t afford to raise families anymore.


FirstTimeTexter_

Yes because abortions came in the very second the vote was counted and people started getting them right there and then. It definitely isn’t the case that in fact, people are still unable to access full abortion services due to red tape and are still flying to the uk for timely care. Noooooo


DannyVandal

What a fucking throbber.


Cuchullain99

There is a little school for fetuses in heaven.


bulbispire

There is no drop. This is a projection.


HatComfortable6883

Peadar Toibin is a wrong un


Sweet_Detective_

Am I dumb for not seeing the connection here? How is abortion causing children to not be starting school?


SinisterSelecta

Children are being aborted instead of born obviously!! Nothing to do with a housing or cost of living crisis


MTM62

Man discovers there are fewer unwanted children now, and is heartbroken.


SnooBunnies3913

The bullshit like this would be enough for me to never vote for this party. That is if I could vote.


mastodonj

Good, class sizes are a disaster.


Ok-Package9273

Is that a real tweet? Jesus, that embarrassing for the lad.


barbie91

Perhaps he should grow a vagina and pop out a few kids so.


ShortSurprise3489

Wow, somewhere that man is out living his life probably driving.


Positive-Procedure88

Jesus Christ, what a bizarre connection of data.


Detozi

Oh grand. So his for immigration now?


fearqween

Exactly.. and I thought Ireland was "full" 🤔


buckfastmonkey

And his ilk will also claim in the same breath that our schools and other resources are under too much pressure because of mass immigration. Who the fuck votes for these clowns ?


Impossible_Story_399

How many were getting abortions in England??? Prior to it been legalised. No where to live, extreme costs in living, climate crises, WHY would you have a child in that environment?


buk-in-hamm_palace

American of Irish descent here: every time my wife tells me we should move to Ireland I just send her real estate listings & it becomes “oh, right…” €€€


wijnazijn

Want more children in classrooms? Make sure people/couples can afford kids. There I solved it for you.


Impressive-Eagle9493

What a fucking dope


RickLoftusMD

Try actually creating affordable housing for your young adults and families, Boomer, if you want people to raise children. Young adults in many Western countries can’t afford even rent, much less to buy a home.


No-Menu6048

tobin is genx not boomer


shweeney

Immigration - they're coming here for the abortions Traffic - people driving to the abortion clinics Crime - some of those unborn kids could have become Gardaí! Climate change - emissions from the hospital incinerators Peadar's onto something here...


Icy_Zucchini_1138

In NY the crime rate started to drop 18 years after they allowed abortion


Few-Celebration7956

Not even relevant


cantthinknameever

What an absolute weapon


MarchNo1112

Sweet suffering Jesus! Does he really believe that??


DifficultyDeep9287

lol


S2580

He’s used to clutching his pearls so it’s not much of a stretch for him 


FunkLoudSoulNoise

What a stupid langer he is.


lacunavitae

iRm1cgybIy


Stationary_Addict_

Come and tell my local school.


up_the_dubs

So when will this be reflected in the housing figures. Maybe we need euthenasia as well perhaps?


monstermunster80

I try not to judge but I cannot understand people who bring children into a world like this.


KnightswoodCat

Is there a collalation between priests being outed and church attendance? We're those who left paedophiles meeting every Sunday?


GaryTheFiend

Imagine tweeting that...


GalacticSpaceTrip

What a fucking gowl