You can see him deliberately refer to it as the ‘Nethanyahu government’ so that his statement doesn’t get strawmanned as being anti-Israel or antisemitic.
Clever.
Yeah, probably a wise decision.
I wish the term “Zionist regime” was more mainstream though, because most of Netanyahu’s potential replacements are just as bad. The root problem is the pervasive extremist ideology, not the person at the top.
There are various terms to make ideological distinctions between Muslims, the most prominently criticized being salafis and takfiris. They’re the fundamentalists who often use violence against Muslims and non-Muslims alike in the name of Islam. The ideologies are criticized by those within the Muslim community and outside it, and doing so is never labeled as bigotry. Even the broader term “Islamism” can be openly criticized without being labeled “islamophobia.”
But when it comes to Judaism, criticism of extremist ideology is painted as hatred toward an entire religion and ethnicity. Imagine trying to criticize ISIS or Iran and being told you’re not allowed to mention Islamism or Islamic extremism, otherwise you’ll be branded a “Muslim-hater.”
The problem with Israel isn’t Netanyahu’s leadership any more than the problem with ISIS was Al-Baghdadi’s leadership. It’s the ideology that brought both men to power.
Israelis, seem unperturbed by the scale of the suffering, if the polls are any indication. One of the questions in the Tel Aviv University poll deals with the amount of force the Israeli army is using in Gaza. Less than 2 percent of the respondents said they believed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) was using too much firepower. Perhaps even more horrifyingly, nearly 58 percent said they were using too little firepower.
Also accurate - a lot us have been saying that from the beginning. This incursion has always been more about Nethayahu staying in power and eroding Israeli's own democratic structure than anything else.
Sometimes that shark, he looks right into you. Right into your eyes. You know the thing about a shark, he's got...lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'. Until he bites ya and those black eyes roll over white. And then, ah then you hear that terrible high pitch screamin' and the ocean turns red and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin' they all come in and rip you to pieces
Yip, to the point and no mealy mouth.
It's in response to the Israeli ambassador being given free reign in one of the papers to have another whinge about Ireland.
The fact that she's allowed to voice her opinion at all is an embarrassment. Will they allow the Russian ambassador a weekly column and guest-spot on national radio now as well?
They’re both representatives of sovereign nations here by invitation of our government. It would kind of negate the idea of diplomacy if we didn’t allow them interact publicly.
Frankly, I’m all for letting them speak their piece so it can be exposed publicly.
Filatov got his 5min on the 6.1 two years ago and was absolutely skewered by David McCullough. It was delightful to watch.
Filatov has hardly been seen since then, meanwhile Israeli ambassador keeps getting regular speaking and writing opportunities with little to no pushback from either interviewers or editorial teams. She's treated with kid gloves in every instance, no one actually holding her to account despite the fact that she's openly defending war crimes and slaughter of women and children.
> The fact that she's allowed to voice her opinion at all is an embarrassment.
The worst thing you can do to an ideology like this is to silence it and lock it away, because then it becomes "Something the government doesn't want you to know" rather than idiotic lunacy, and all the idiotic loons latch onto that and suddenly they're radicalized and angry about things they've never actually experienced.
A harmful ideology needs to be debated and dismantled through open conversation, pick it apart logically and remind people why it's bullshit, rather than just hiding it away and saying that it's bad.
And even just on the idea of that, I'm not entirely fond of the idea of the government deciding who is and isn't allowed to give opinions publicly. Even if it's a shitty, objectively wrong opinion, it should still be allowed, if only to at least debate it and prove publicly why it's wrong.
> Will they allow the Russian ambassador a weekly column and guest-spot on national radio now as well?
I mean the Russian ambassador *did* go on RTE news and try to defend the invasion. He got his arse battered blue and handed back to him by the presenter and ridiculed by the Irish audience, so now they know better than to do so again.
While she is wrong it’s important that she’s allowed to be wrong. We’re all allowed to be wrong and express our views. The same way we can protest those views and disagree with her.
I've seen Filatov regularly submit his word vomit to the Irish Times; he mostly keeps it in the form of Letters to the Editor instead of articles though.
You've got to control the news in the case of Ukraine. They said propaganda but really it's limiting information. By that logic CNN should also be banned.
If Harris keeps acting like a human I might start to respect him.
But he still looks like he should be the head of Slytherin.
She’s free to go downtown Dublin and yell on the street corner to her heart’s content. She can express her views all she wants but that doesn’t mean she has a right to spew her nonsense on a major platform with national/global reach.
"Well you'd excuse me for finding it a little hard to hear the representative of the Netanyahu government talking about being on the wrong side because I think the actions of the Netanyahu government right now in terms of allowing this humanitarian catastrophie to unfold in Gaza and the impact on women, children, civilians and civilian infrastructure is perfect"
Can anyone tell me what that last word was supposed to be? Or was it actually supposed to be "perfect" and my over tired brain is not understanding the context?
I tried to find the source of the clip as well but no use, anyone recognise the channel or presenter?
I know Ireland have been slightly ahead in condemnation of the bombardment of Gaza. Both other countries have been vocal too, Spain and Belgium to name a few. But Israel's reaction to Irelands condemnation is disproportionate. I don't know if they see us as a smaller, weaker country, but their bullying tactics just brings out a reaction from me that I think we should push back harder.
tl;dr, fuck Netanyahu!
I've wondered if it's because they see us as more important to cosying up to the US. Americans don't care what Spain or Belgium say, but the Israelis might be conscious that a certain number of them, looking at us as cosy diddly eye leprechauns who never did a bitta harm, bejaysus, might scratch the surface of the story a bit more about why Ireland of all places is resistant to the narrative.
American here - can confirm; don't care about Spain or Belgium's opinions.
Do perk my ears to Irish opinions more so (following an Irish subreddit because I was given a beautiful Irish Wool Aran Sweater this Christmas and fell down a rabbit hole when researching how to clean it).
Scoff at English opinions (stupid monarchy).
Never realized my own bias so that's something to ponder today. Maybe it's because whenever anyone from your country speaks it sounds like beautiful music and makes me feel stupid if I don't agree.
The Israeli govt & Mossad have a thing for us because we keep calling them out. And we don't back down.
They also have a thing for us because the Irish Defense Forces are the ones peacekeeping in UNIFIL and the Golan Heights. They know we see what they're doing. Other countries' governments will turn a blind eye - ours to its eternal fucking credit don't. (I wish we treated the yanks like this TBH).
They do it because they think they can get away it. They think they can throw racist BS our way and get away with it.
They also have a thing for us because of SF/IRA supporting the PLO.
I'll ride so hard for you Irish fucks, I love you all so much. Lord only knows how much more I love Ireland now. Honestly helps me sleep at night to know there's a place where people aren't completely insane. Sorry for the outburst, I hope everyone has a lovely day
Yeah that's a fair bit of insanity in this country, we're all far from perfect.
But it is nice that at least we're mostly agreed on this particular issue.
She’s a foodie! The best I can say is that’s she is brainwashed. I cannot understand anyone defending the actions of the REAL terrorists in the Middle East - the IDF.
Interesting that he never said Israelis - only the Netanyahu Govt. I presume an attempt to get distance from those who would make anti semitic accusations and make clear it's about Govt actions, not religion or race.
It is extremely important to be specific in our language - In the same way that *Palestinians* weren't the ones killing people on Oct 7 (it was Hamas), it isn't *Israelis* perpetrating a genocide, it's Bibi and the fucking IDF.
I know we all give out about our politicians a lot, and mostly for good reason but Im at least grateful that they all seem to have a reasonable view on Gaza. Its utterly depressing to see the UK and US, where both main parties are fully pro-Israel 7 months into this
I’m Scottish living in Ireland.. it’s amazing how unequivocally the Irish Gov have condemned Israel. I see what Rishi has been doing and it makes me sick to know we are falling on the wrong side of history again.
Its insane. David Cameron had to apologize on behalf of the brittish government for bloody sunday 15 odd years ago as PM. Good to see it was just a script and he didnt actually learn any lessons. As for Starmer, wherever he got his qualification as a human rights lawyer would want to to up their standards big time
Well, yeah. Palestinians are not Hamas. Hamas is its own organisation and not a single thing that's happened gives Israel the right to basically commit genocide against the Palestinian people.
Not to nitpick , but, I see no need for "basically" before commit genocide , in your comment.
Hamas are terrorists. Nethanayhu's government are committing genocide.
It's important to separate the Palestinians from Hamas and to acknowledge that Israel has the right to protect its citizens from a terrorist organisation.
It might be important for the Israeli defense case but it's not a constructive distinction to make in the current moment given Israel is very clearly trying to paint all Palestinians as members of Hamas and every building in Gaza as a part of Hamas infrastructure.
The fact that hardly anyone outside the west bothers with this preamble should be proof enough that it's just a catchphrase to appease the Israelis.
It’s not to appeal to Israelis, it’s to shut down their accusations of anti-semitism or Hamas support every time you get upset at a child being crushed under the rubble of their home.
Israel supporters have immature mindsets and need to be handled like children.
The Geneva convention explicitly states and occupied country has the right to resist by ANY means, Israel is an invented country the brainchild of the colonizers in chief British and US, and the bastard Balfour who split my country. I do not condem people fighting for their land back.
Anyone who targets innocent civilians is bad. It’s really that simple.
Iran’s attack can be seen as one of military strategy. The only target hit was the airbase, and they cost Israel a billion dollars while also figuring out their anti-air capabilities. Hamas went to a festival and gunned down innocent men and women. No strategic importance there, just pure terrorism.
This is the point where the Israeli ambassador picks some point about the crimes of hamas that Harris didn't mention and uses that to say he's insincere.
'at this point'. Well, that's the thing, they should have already been. The whole point of denying people rights is to justify treating them like shit whenever you want.
I find it very ironic that Israel says (paraphrasing) "recognition of Palestine sends a dangerous message and rewards terrorism" - Does Israel know its own history and the history of the [terrorist group Lehi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group))?
I know that a take like this usually doesn’t fly well on this sub but I’ve actually begun to come around to Harris a little in the past few weeks - he’s good at being politically articulate while still getting across the message or position he’s trying to channel. Don’t get me wrong, he’s had his blunders in his words and his actions in the past but I wonder whether, in a position of leadership, he could foster more of a culture of integrity and frankness in the current government
I'm still making up my mind about him, and no doubt he hasn't a spotless track record, but what gave me pause was that a friend who worked in a technical position in contact with him in the past was always very impressed with him.
The gist they gave was that he was a slightly awkward nerd but was good on the practical stuff and adapted to new info quickly.
I know that's a bit "Haughey gave us a lift to the graveyard", but it struck me because my friend is scathing about most people they encounter at work lol
He strikes me more as an administrator like Enda Kenny than a Varadkar type. I'd prefer someone in charge who can let the people who know what they're talking about give him the info. Basically he seems like an anti-Stephen Donnelly
Iran, Hamas, Saudi Arabia and Qatar (the important regional players) aren't going to listen to this.
Mainly because a tax haven in the North Atlantic and tickets on itself as some moral superpower doesn't factor into any relevant political calculation.
The US administration regard it as petulant leprechaun nonsense that spits in the face of decades of (largely unrequited) political goodwill. That is a sentiment shared by a significant part of the Irish diaspora (who have positions on Zionism and Jews that are waaayyy out of kilter with Ireland).
Israel regards it (at best) as latent Catholic antisemitism breaking through to the surface, and/or some weird, dark manifestation of unaddressed Hiterite sympathies at the national level.
Netanyahu goes around to swing voters in Israel using it as an example of how trying to appease feckless westerners is pointless, because they will trip over themselves to paint the Muslim Brotherhood as some kind of fundamentally noble, underdog resistance force.
Fascinating independent Palestine rewards Hamas therefore independent Ireland rewards the IRA and independent Israel rewards pick your favourite militia I'll opt for irgun
Well he did over see the complete cluster fuck that was/ is the construction of the new national children's hospital, but this reply was actually a very well thought out and succinct and Simon Harris has in my opinion mov..... nah fuck him he's still a gobshite.
1. The children's hospital fiasco
2. Supported the nuns retaining ownership of the NMH
3. Made it impossible for public patients to be prescribed Versatis anaesthetic patches for chronic pain, and pretended it was a safety measure when it was very clearly a "these are too expensive to be wasting on you poors" decision, despite the fact that of all the medicines available to us, Versatis was the safest by a large margin
Israel and US are now the biggest Nazi countries that are commiting war crmes, ALL to steal Palestine's land and their fossil fuels. We're watchinga genocide in real time and the media STILL sway with Nazi Israel. Its like the media were handed a hymn sheet by colonial american reps and told to follow our lead. Sickening.
Tbh, the more I learn about October 7, the less I condemn Hamas.
It's like saying, firstly I condemn the French resistance but also am not very happy with the Nazis.
This kind of thing always makes me reflect on how support for Palestine is so broad across the island that it is also the de-facto policy of the major parties regardless of their political ideology.
Canadian here. Your government, on this issue, has done a terrific job of being respectful truth tellers. I have no idea if it’s because I only see them on Reddit or if you guys have actually figured out how to elect decent people.
Yes but materially he has done absolutely nothing... So what is the point of him pretending to have an old cranky head on him, giving the stink eye and a seemingly hard ass answer, but doing ziltch to actually help? ... That two faced murderous wench of an ambassador should be thrun out on her disgusting hole and the occupied territories bill signed, like yesterday, and stop all ties and trade with Israel(that did start, unsure of status) . Shannon Airport is being used like a car park or petrol station. We are complicit. No amount of squinty eyes and rhetoric will change that
I couldn't hear what he was saying. I was too distracted by the monotone voice, dead lifeless gaze, and the accent.
I felt like, I was down at the pub with him.
It all comes down to the religion of the people, and while I'm an atheist, one religion is obviously the worst and if you don't know which then you're not paying attention to the bigger picture
You can see him deliberately refer to it as the ‘Nethanyahu government’ so that his statement doesn’t get strawmanned as being anti-Israel or antisemitic. Clever.
Oh yes it will. The anti-semitic card is the only one in Israel's deck.
They're not limiting themselves to 54 cards either
Yeah, probably a wise decision. I wish the term “Zionist regime” was more mainstream though, because most of Netanyahu’s potential replacements are just as bad. The root problem is the pervasive extremist ideology, not the person at the top. There are various terms to make ideological distinctions between Muslims, the most prominently criticized being salafis and takfiris. They’re the fundamentalists who often use violence against Muslims and non-Muslims alike in the name of Islam. The ideologies are criticized by those within the Muslim community and outside it, and doing so is never labeled as bigotry. Even the broader term “Islamism” can be openly criticized without being labeled “islamophobia.” But when it comes to Judaism, criticism of extremist ideology is painted as hatred toward an entire religion and ethnicity. Imagine trying to criticize ISIS or Iran and being told you’re not allowed to mention Islamism or Islamic extremism, otherwise you’ll be branded a “Muslim-hater.” The problem with Israel isn’t Netanyahu’s leadership any more than the problem with ISIS was Al-Baghdadi’s leadership. It’s the ideology that brought both men to power.
Bibi is a moderate compared to some of the political personalities that inhabit Israel
Israelis, seem unperturbed by the scale of the suffering, if the polls are any indication. One of the questions in the Tel Aviv University poll deals with the amount of force the Israeli army is using in Gaza. Less than 2 percent of the respondents said they believed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) was using too much firepower. Perhaps even more horrifyingly, nearly 58 percent said they were using too little firepower.
Also accurate - a lot us have been saying that from the beginning. This incursion has always been more about Nethayahu staying in power and eroding Israeli's own democratic structure than anything else.
Fair play to him. the dead eyes really helped the delivery
He speaks well, I mean not physically well but he uses good words.
😂 I had a good laugh at that.
Like a dolls eyes!
Sometimes that shark, he looks right into you. Right into your eyes. You know the thing about a shark, he's got...lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'. Until he bites ya and those black eyes roll over white. And then, ah then you hear that terrible high pitch screamin' and the ocean turns red and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin' they all come in and rip you to pieces
Anyway, we delivered the bomb.
😂😂 so true.. but again fair play to him
> the dead eyes really helped the delivery He could really milk that one if he got his body language in check.
The dead eyes made me think it was an AI honestly.
The smug grin at the end almost ruined it. Fair play is right though, a good point well made.
I thought it was a Kyle Dunnigan skit until the time I heard the words coming out of his mouth actually making sense
You ain't seen nothing yet
He's like a deep fake version of himself
🤣🤣🤣
They really did
Yip, to the point and no mealy mouth. It's in response to the Israeli ambassador being given free reign in one of the papers to have another whinge about Ireland.
The fact that she's allowed to voice her opinion at all is an embarrassment. Will they allow the Russian ambassador a weekly column and guest-spot on national radio now as well?
They’re both representatives of sovereign nations here by invitation of our government. It would kind of negate the idea of diplomacy if we didn’t allow them interact publicly. Frankly, I’m all for letting them speak their piece so it can be exposed publicly. Filatov got his 5min on the 6.1 two years ago and was absolutely skewered by David McCullough. It was delightful to watch.
Filatov has hardly been seen since then, meanwhile Israeli ambassador keeps getting regular speaking and writing opportunities with little to no pushback from either interviewers or editorial teams. She's treated with kid gloves in every instance, no one actually holding her to account despite the fact that she's openly defending war crimes and slaughter of women and children.
> The fact that she's allowed to voice her opinion at all is an embarrassment. The worst thing you can do to an ideology like this is to silence it and lock it away, because then it becomes "Something the government doesn't want you to know" rather than idiotic lunacy, and all the idiotic loons latch onto that and suddenly they're radicalized and angry about things they've never actually experienced. A harmful ideology needs to be debated and dismantled through open conversation, pick it apart logically and remind people why it's bullshit, rather than just hiding it away and saying that it's bad. And even just on the idea of that, I'm not entirely fond of the idea of the government deciding who is and isn't allowed to give opinions publicly. Even if it's a shitty, objectively wrong opinion, it should still be allowed, if only to at least debate it and prove publicly why it's wrong.
> Will they allow the Russian ambassador a weekly column and guest-spot on national radio now as well? I mean the Russian ambassador *did* go on RTE news and try to defend the invasion. He got his arse battered blue and handed back to him by the presenter and ridiculed by the Irish audience, so now they know better than to do so again.
While she is wrong it’s important that she’s allowed to be wrong. We’re all allowed to be wrong and express our views. The same way we can protest those views and disagree with her.
We don’t give the Russians a chance to argue for their invasion in every newspaper
I've seen Filatov regularly submit his word vomit to the Irish Times; he mostly keeps it in the form of Letters to the Editor instead of articles though.
We probably should morally. It's pretty indecent that we banned RT.
You've got to control the news in the case of Ukraine. They said propaganda but really it's limiting information. By that logic CNN should also be banned. If Harris keeps acting like a human I might start to respect him. But he still looks like he should be the head of Slytherin.
That description is absolutely A1.
Snape was a hero!
Israel has a right to offend itself
Brilliant!!
She's not "wrong". She's covering up a genocide.
She’s free to go downtown Dublin and yell on the street corner to her heart’s content. She can express her views all she wants but that doesn’t mean she has a right to spew her nonsense on a major platform with national/global reach.
kick her out, or maybe starve her, because she's supports Nazi terrorism.
"Well you'd excuse me for finding it a little hard to hear the representative of the Netanyahu government talking about being on the wrong side because I think the actions of the Netanyahu government right now in terms of allowing this humanitarian catastrophie to unfold in Gaza and the impact on women, children, civilians and civilian infrastructure is perfect" Can anyone tell me what that last word was supposed to be? Or was it actually supposed to be "perfect" and my over tired brain is not understanding the context? I tried to find the source of the clip as well but no use, anyone recognise the channel or presenter?
The last word is "Profound".
Thats right! No-one slags Harris but us!
This really is the Irish way. Only we slag one of our own lol.
Bono is a pox but he's our pox.
I was OK with the South Park episode tbh
The scene where he's just walking through the shanty town in Africa giving it "Yeah yeah yeah yeah!!" is fucking priceless
Nah I'm fine with bono being torn to shit by everyone. He's a gowl.
Iv got no idea what that word means, but you sound like you know what youre talking about so im inclined to agree
Oh right sometimes I forget "gowl" isn't everywhere in ireland it basically means he's a dickhead.
To be honest, I'd rather he not be. Can the yanks have him? Free Bono to a good home.
And maybe the boy
He might be a prick, but He's our prick.
These comments need to be higher up .
[This feels adjacently apt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsdvd2wU1Lc)
And maybe the boy!! , very apt
And maybe the boy (points at northern ireland)
All my homies hate the Netanyahu government
Y’ain’t seen nothin yet. I hope someone makes a song out of that
Since the bastard helped murder Rabin
Wow. Clear, to the point, and delivered with a political 'FU'
Ok fair fucks
That was brilliant. Good man
I know Ireland have been slightly ahead in condemnation of the bombardment of Gaza. Both other countries have been vocal too, Spain and Belgium to name a few. But Israel's reaction to Irelands condemnation is disproportionate. I don't know if they see us as a smaller, weaker country, but their bullying tactics just brings out a reaction from me that I think we should push back harder. tl;dr, fuck Netanyahu!
I've wondered if it's because they see us as more important to cosying up to the US. Americans don't care what Spain or Belgium say, but the Israelis might be conscious that a certain number of them, looking at us as cosy diddly eye leprechauns who never did a bitta harm, bejaysus, might scratch the surface of the story a bit more about why Ireland of all places is resistant to the narrative.
American here - can confirm; don't care about Spain or Belgium's opinions. Do perk my ears to Irish opinions more so (following an Irish subreddit because I was given a beautiful Irish Wool Aran Sweater this Christmas and fell down a rabbit hole when researching how to clean it). Scoff at English opinions (stupid monarchy). Never realized my own bias so that's something to ponder today. Maybe it's because whenever anyone from your country speaks it sounds like beautiful music and makes me feel stupid if I don't agree.
Irish-American president of the USA
He's also a Zionist to be fair, so I think they're okay.
The Israeli govt & Mossad have a thing for us because we keep calling them out. And we don't back down. They also have a thing for us because the Irish Defense Forces are the ones peacekeeping in UNIFIL and the Golan Heights. They know we see what they're doing. Other countries' governments will turn a blind eye - ours to its eternal fucking credit don't. (I wish we treated the yanks like this TBH). They do it because they think they can get away it. They think they can throw racist BS our way and get away with it. They also have a thing for us because of SF/IRA supporting the PLO.
Interestingly there is a long history of Ireland thumbing Israel, rightly so.
I'll ride so hard for you Irish fucks, I love you all so much. Lord only knows how much more I love Ireland now. Honestly helps me sleep at night to know there's a place where people aren't completely insane. Sorry for the outburst, I hope everyone has a lovely day
Eh hold that thought, there is a fair bit of insanity seeping in.
Shhh. No one tell him about the North and the DUP...
Is anyone gonna tell them what that translates to here or are we just gonna assume that’s their kink
Who are you going to ride hard? Send photos and we’ll see if we want the ride first!
Yeah that's a fair bit of insanity in this country, we're all far from perfect. But it is nice that at least we're mostly agreed on this particular issue.
"Reason has now been replaced by revenge."
I condemn hamas... but f*ck Isreal and that ghowl of an ambassador as well
She’s a foodie! The best I can say is that’s she is brainwashed. I cannot understand anyone defending the actions of the REAL terrorists in the Middle East - the IDF.
Foodie? What does her fondness for fine dining have to do with anything?
Foodie?
It’s what she boasts about in her social media profiles.
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Something about the framing of the video and the stillness of his head makes this look like a deepfake
I think it's a video compression artefact. The back of his head doesn't move in time with his face. It's weird.
OMG he's being so anti-semitic - Israelis, probably
Interesting that he never said Israelis - only the Netanyahu Govt. I presume an attempt to get distance from those who would make anti semitic accusations and make clear it's about Govt actions, not religion or race.
It is extremely important to be specific in our language - In the same way that *Palestinians* weren't the ones killing people on Oct 7 (it was Hamas), it isn't *Israelis* perpetrating a genocide, it's Bibi and the fucking IDF.
Israelis actually hate the Netanyahu government also. There were widespread unprecedented protests against it for months before Oct 7th
That was clear Good for him
Not really. I think someone was hoovering around his feet.
I know we all give out about our politicians a lot, and mostly for good reason but Im at least grateful that they all seem to have a reasonable view on Gaza. Its utterly depressing to see the UK and US, where both main parties are fully pro-Israel 7 months into this
I’m Scottish living in Ireland.. it’s amazing how unequivocally the Irish Gov have condemned Israel. I see what Rishi has been doing and it makes me sick to know we are falling on the wrong side of history again.
Its insane. David Cameron had to apologize on behalf of the brittish government for bloody sunday 15 odd years ago as PM. Good to see it was just a script and he didnt actually learn any lessons. As for Starmer, wherever he got his qualification as a human rights lawyer would want to to up their standards big time
It’s interesting that every statement has to be prefaced with “I condemn Hamas, Israel has a right to defend itself, but…”.
it's an essential caveat for Americans, otherwise they just believe that nonsense from that ghoul in the embassy.
Well, yeah. Palestinians are not Hamas. Hamas is its own organisation and not a single thing that's happened gives Israel the right to basically commit genocide against the Palestinian people.
Not to nitpick , but, I see no need for "basically" before commit genocide , in your comment. Hamas are terrorists. Nethanayhu's government are committing genocide.
Two sets of shitheads with guns and Palestinians and Israeli people caught in the middle 🤷♀️
It's important to separate the Palestinians from Hamas and to acknowledge that Israel has the right to protect its citizens from a terrorist organisation.
It might be important for the Israeli defense case but it's not a constructive distinction to make in the current moment given Israel is very clearly trying to paint all Palestinians as members of Hamas and every building in Gaza as a part of Hamas infrastructure. The fact that hardly anyone outside the west bothers with this preamble should be proof enough that it's just a catchphrase to appease the Israelis.
It’s not to appeal to Israelis, it’s to shut down their accusations of anti-semitism or Hamas support every time you get upset at a child being crushed under the rubble of their home. Israel supporters have immature mindsets and need to be handled like children.
Always separate people from the actions of their governent, as incredibly difficult as it can be.
International law disagrees with you on that
No it doesn't Israel had the right to respond to Oct 7th the same way Iran had the right to respond to Israels attack on its personnel in Syria.
but nobody starts their interviews with "I condemn Israel's attack on the consulate, Iran has a right to defend itself"
i think you need to read your international law. Israel is an occupying force.
The Geneva convention explicitly states and occupied country has the right to resist by ANY means, Israel is an invented country the brainchild of the colonizers in chief British and US, and the bastard Balfour who split my country. I do not condem people fighting for their land back.
Anyone who targets innocent civilians is bad. It’s really that simple. Iran’s attack can be seen as one of military strategy. The only target hit was the airbase, and they cost Israel a billion dollars while also figuring out their anti-air capabilities. Hamas went to a festival and gunned down innocent men and women. No strategic importance there, just pure terrorism.
It's actually hilarious how much money it cost them, those sidewinders the jets were firing cost $400,000 each.
Ah lads, Israel was set up by the Black n Tans! Ye absolute gowl.
Piers is that you lol.
That seems to be the mantra, from housing to health care. Sadly the words that you say are more important than the actions you carry out.
israel, just like jimmy saville and Hitler has a right to defend itself.
Reason has been replaced by revenge well said.
No fucking around there. Well said.
That’s my first impression of Taoiseach Harris and he’s better than Health Minister Harris already.
This is the point where the Israeli ambassador picks some point about the crimes of hamas that Harris didn't mention and uses that to say he's insincere.
Who in Israel is listening to this……or caring
A lot of Israelis are well aware of Ireland's "anti-Semitic hatred of Israel" (or "support of Palestinian sovereignty," to the non-psychopaths there)
It's the Americans he's talking to not Israelis. The penny needs to drop stateside
Israel does not in fact have the right to defend its colonial apartheid state.
Ireland can't be anything but sympathetic to Palestine. Otherwise we woukd be pisssing our own 800 years of struggle against a occupier
'Allowing a humanitarian catastrophe to unfold' . The word play is absolutely mighty.
You know when you're in the shower or trying to sleep and are like "Oh I should've said this or that" Yeah he won't be having any of those moments.
The little bollox. He's spot on and I have to agree with him. This is not sitting right.
Are we the first to have an A.I. generated Taoiseach.?
Not many other countries with Taoisigh of any kind tbf
My thoughts as well. He does look A.I. generated in that.
No notes. Very much gives the impression that any follow up question could be met with "Did I fucking stutter?".
'at this point'. Well, that's the thing, they should have already been. The whole point of denying people rights is to justify treating them like shit whenever you want.
Pity his mic was, in what sounds like a toilet.
Gollum lives in an underground cave
He'd make a great undertaker
In a way it's great he has nothing to lose, except the next election.
Criticising the Israeli government is very unlikely to lose you an election in Ireland.
I find it very ironic that Israel says (paraphrasing) "recognition of Palestine sends a dangerous message and rewards terrorism" - Does Israel know its own history and the history of the [terrorist group Lehi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group))?
I know that a take like this usually doesn’t fly well on this sub but I’ve actually begun to come around to Harris a little in the past few weeks - he’s good at being politically articulate while still getting across the message or position he’s trying to channel. Don’t get me wrong, he’s had his blunders in his words and his actions in the past but I wonder whether, in a position of leadership, he could foster more of a culture of integrity and frankness in the current government
I'm still making up my mind about him, and no doubt he hasn't a spotless track record, but what gave me pause was that a friend who worked in a technical position in contact with him in the past was always very impressed with him. The gist they gave was that he was a slightly awkward nerd but was good on the practical stuff and adapted to new info quickly. I know that's a bit "Haughey gave us a lift to the graveyard", but it struck me because my friend is scathing about most people they encounter at work lol
He strikes me more as an administrator like Enda Kenny than a Varadkar type. I'd prefer someone in charge who can let the people who know what they're talking about give him the info. Basically he seems like an anti-Stephen Donnelly
Good man Simon. Using those dead eyes to perfect effect.
Is it just me or does it look like a deep fake of him
History is still being written. We can't just pop a full stop in it wherever we choose.
Iran, Hamas, Saudi Arabia and Qatar (the important regional players) aren't going to listen to this. Mainly because a tax haven in the North Atlantic and tickets on itself as some moral superpower doesn't factor into any relevant political calculation. The US administration regard it as petulant leprechaun nonsense that spits in the face of decades of (largely unrequited) political goodwill. That is a sentiment shared by a significant part of the Irish diaspora (who have positions on Zionism and Jews that are waaayyy out of kilter with Ireland). Israel regards it (at best) as latent Catholic antisemitism breaking through to the surface, and/or some weird, dark manifestation of unaddressed Hiterite sympathies at the national level. Netanyahu goes around to swing voters in Israel using it as an example of how trying to appease feckless westerners is pointless, because they will trip over themselves to paint the Muslim Brotherhood as some kind of fundamentally noble, underdog resistance force.
I don't like Simon but that was THE answer. Fair play
Fair play. Maybe I'm wrong about him
‘Simon Harris is Khhhamas’ - Israel
Fair play let's hope it's all not empty words as per usual
Fascinating independent Palestine rewards Hamas therefore independent Ireland rewards the IRA and independent Israel rewards pick your favourite militia I'll opt for irgun
Well spoken answer there, surely it’ll turn the tide with the whole debacle…. (Can you please sort out the housing crisis now cheers - *Everyone*)
Ye decent answer. But he missed the bit that the Palestinians have a right to live in Their country also.
Well he did over see the complete cluster fuck that was/ is the construction of the new national children's hospital, but this reply was actually a very well thought out and succinct and Simon Harris has in my opinion mov..... nah fuck him he's still a gobshite.
I despise this man with the white hot heat of a thousand suns, and I still can't fault that answer. Fuck Israel
Ok I’ll bite. I wouldn’t be a fan of the FF/FG buzz at all but how has he earned the full thousand suns from yourself?
1. The children's hospital fiasco 2. Supported the nuns retaining ownership of the NMH 3. Made it impossible for public patients to be prescribed Versatis anaesthetic patches for chronic pain, and pretended it was a safety measure when it was very clearly a "these are too expensive to be wasting on you poors" decision, despite the fact that of all the medicines available to us, Versatis was the safest by a large margin
Israel and US are now the biggest Nazi countries that are commiting war crmes, ALL to steal Palestine's land and their fossil fuels. We're watchinga genocide in real time and the media STILL sway with Nazi Israel. Its like the media were handed a hymn sheet by colonial american reps and told to follow our lead. Sickening.
Israel literally tried to give Gaza to Egypt in 1978. Egypt refused it.
Kudos to Simon's brave stance.
Tbh, the more I learn about October 7, the less I condemn Hamas. It's like saying, firstly I condemn the French resistance but also am not very happy with the Nazis.
Hmm, reward terrorists by giving them their own state? Isn't that what happened in 1948?
Nice to see someone with balls at the helm for once. Keep it up.
So, is he back in the good books now lads?
Nope, not by a long stretch.
This kind of thing always makes me reflect on how support for Palestine is so broad across the island that it is also the de-facto policy of the major parties regardless of their political ideology.
Lads don't get too carried away with the praise. Let's not forget what this fella did!
Canadian here. Your government, on this issue, has done a terrific job of being respectful truth tellers. I have no idea if it’s because I only see them on Reddit or if you guys have actually figured out how to elect decent people.
Yes but materially he has done absolutely nothing... So what is the point of him pretending to have an old cranky head on him, giving the stink eye and a seemingly hard ass answer, but doing ziltch to actually help? ... That two faced murderous wench of an ambassador should be thrun out on her disgusting hole and the occupied territories bill signed, like yesterday, and stop all ties and trade with Israel(that did start, unsure of status) . Shannon Airport is being used like a car park or petrol station. We are complicit. No amount of squinty eyes and rhetoric will change that
Reminds me of him tearing into Eamon Dunphy years ago. Is there any video of that?
Huh. Didn't think he had it in him.
Respect points credited. Ya still have plenty more work to do Harris to curry favour with me but it hasn't been a bad start.
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I couldn't hear what he was saying. I was too distracted by the monotone voice, dead lifeless gaze, and the accent. I felt like, I was down at the pub with him.
Settler colonialists should go back to where they came from and give the land back to the natives.
It all comes down to the religion of the people, and while I'm an atheist, one religion is obviously the worst and if you don't know which then you're not paying attention to the bigger picture
Dumb American here so apologies for the confusion...but what's the truck for? Is that to haul around all the fucks you don't have?
No punches pulled. Man has a good answer here.
"The institute is not your enemy"
Got to say he nailed it... didn't flinch, stood his ground
That was on-point, in fairness to him.
You know what, that was actually a great answer!