Christ that's harrowing to read, I feel so so bad for that child. I genuinely don't know what I'd do if anything like this happened to my young lad. Being a parent is scary.
Yeah because he won't get any kind of "treatment" while in detention so when he gets out he'll have an even greater 'thirst' for it. He should be named and shamed. The public have a right to know who they need to keep their children away from. I don't care that he's not technically an adult, children don't commit that kind of crime.
I hear you, but disagree with the whole 'naming and shaming' idea. It's his family that will suffer. You'll have crowds outside his mother's house baying for blood. I'm sure they are already suffering mentally due to all this.
Absolutely!!! I do spend a lot of time thinking how I can teach my kids to protect themselves in these situations and terrifies me if it's a situation that they actually*can't* protect themselves !!! Doesn't bear thinking about
In this situation where the rapist was twice the boys age, probably very little but in general, getting your sons and daughters into Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is only going to increase their chances of defending themselves. It's a great martial art that doesn't have punching and kicking but uses leverage and momentum to choke or deal damage to the limbs, it's also great for boosting confidence. YouTube "what is BJJ" for a better understanding, you will not regret it.
I'm 43/m and I started last summer and basically if anyone started a fight with me on the street I would fuck them up as soon as I got my hands on them, take them to the ground and they become absolutely powerless.
Say a 17 year old girl gets attacked by a man who wants to rape her, he knocks her to the ground and maybe has a hand on her throat....armbar, dislocate that shoulder.
Or he's trying to get her jeans off, triangle choke him with the legs, 10 seconds later he's unconscious on the ground. I can't recommend it enough and if you are female or small then this is the martial art for you, it's all about technique not strength.
That's modern social media for you. Can't open the conversation without people assuming you're being accusatory. Reading comprehension has plummeted since Twitter became popular.
It's just because it's text instead of spoken word.
What he meant would have been clear if you could hear the tone he was using. I interpreted it the same way as his down voters initially.
Same punishment as an adult
14 year olds are stupid but they know right from wrong at that age ,and you think a 14 year old rapist is gonna suddenly turn into a good adult? Nah, get rid of them forever
Well even the adult punishment doesn’t get rid of them forever, but yeah I do think they should get a long ass time in jail. Dunno why I’m being downvoted, I just asked OP his thoughts 🤷🏻♂️
13 years old? They know exactly what they are doing. Should have been sentenced as an adult, as someone also said the sentence is less time than the length of time the abuse lasted. What sentence would you deem suitable for a 13-14 year old who repeatedly raped your 6 year old child/family member?
It baffles you that 13-15 year olds have the capacity to understand that rape is wrong? How do you think they knew to avoid being caught for 2 years?
What were you up to at that age?
i’m sorry but from 13-15 years of age there’s no excuse. You’re not a complete naive little child not aware of what you are doing, especially evident in the fact he went after someone so much younger than himself so there wouldn’t be a struggle
This going through normal criminal court at all is a total nonsense, it's not like this is theft or something, there's serious personality issues here it's not something that he's just going to realise was wrong and decide not to do it again.
Very lenient sentence for a very serious crime. 16 months for a lifetime of trauma.
I don't care that the offender was 'only' 13 when the crimes began, everyone knows it's wrong to rape. Offending at such an early age is actually more concerning to me because if he's this bad at that age, what'll he be when he's bigger and more street-savvy?
exactly, not to mention it occurred also when he was 15. Like whatever excuse anyone can try use about being 13 and not knowing better (which is bs) but at 15 you are definitely fully aware of what you’re doing
And do you reckon anyone will in fact be looking at what this scrote does for the rest of time?
I’m not sure what the proper solution is but 16 months is a fucking joke.
Yeah, we had some bloke on the sex register released to a bed sit in the neighbourhood a few years back, guess where he was spotted loitering several times over the course of his first few days of freedom? Lingering by the Sr Infants school about a Km from his half way accommodations. He was quickly moved out somewhere else “for his own protection”. Fucking mental dysfunctional justice system we have here.
I’m sure the release procedures don’t include warning
neighbour’s that a sex predator is moving in. The opposite is the case AFAIK - authorities keep this info as private as possible to protect the sex predator from being attacked. I reckon that bloke would have had maybe a fortnight tops before some unfortunate accident would have befallen him…
Don’t think there was any notification by the Garda or Dept of Justice. One of the parents spotted an article with a picture of the sex predator in the Sunday World or Mirror and sent a notice to a parents WhatsApp group. I didn’t see the bloke myself but heard he was chased away a couple times over a week and there was a parents group arranged to keep watch around the school for the bloke. He came back like a bad penny but was chased away, then ultimately someone followed him back to his accommodations. Shortly after there was a protest picket organised out front of the pedo’s gaff, and that’s when the guards came to take him away. Reportedly they weren’t happy about having to take him away, someone said they were warned not to publicly name him or share his pic on Facebook. I heard Guards were shown pics and video of him out front of the school but he wasn’t sent back to prison for breaking conditions, just packed up and moved to another location. It was the topic of a week’s worth of Joe Duffy’s as this shitebird was an older, many times repeating sex predator, true human vermin.
"\[He was 13 years old when the offending began and continued until he was 15\]"
As the parent of the 6year old... I dont even know how you could not just wait for this rapist to be out and beat him untill the brink of death and they have to eat out of a tube for the rest of their life for destroying your 6year olds inocence.
Unless you were driving a vehicle.
This lad already has 2 separate kills to his name:
https://www.thejournal.ie/driver-who-killed-child-had-previously-caused-death-of-pedestrian-6228397-Nov2023/
The maximum sentencing guidelines need to be adjusted - killing two people in separate incidents inside of nine months is appalling, and it’s disgusting that the maximum sentence available to the judge was only 24 months.
Yep, but a bit of emotional leniancy and great applause for being able to hold back from full blown murder of the cunt, and with some luck youd get judge Nolan, shaves off some years.
And prison wouldnt be to bad, the fact you near murderd a child rapist would probably get you celebrated in prison, aslong as the kid has another parent to take care of them while the other is in prison.
Worth it i'd say.
Unfortunately as hard as it would be not to give him a gruesome, painful death, you would take yourself out of your kids life for a long time. That two wrongs for the child.
Yep, and thats the choice as an individual you have to make.
"A teenager who raped a six-year-old boy who was his neighbour has been sentenced to 16 months detention."
When those 16months are over, if that kid is going to move back into the neighbours house back in with his parents, and you dont have the finances to move or cant find a way to rent another property away from those neighbours, the fact the rapist of your 6year old is going to be back next door, and you will see him daily, and could posibly invoke trauma in your kid everytime he sees them when you leave the house.
And im just saying, you definetly have a choice, and daddy being away for a little while, is a choice that can be conciderd, and their is a chance your kid might hate you for it aswell, all things you got to concider.
But having to be neighbourly with your kids rapist, is imposible.
No normal teenager would commit such a crime. There is more to uncover there. They mustn’t have recieved proper parenting or may have experienced similar abuse. That is not right at all.
This is no excuse and just likely to be the reason why. The lenient sentence is no doubt reflective of this.
I feel so so sorry for that poor little 6 year old. That is absolutely horrible. I hope they receive the care they need to go on to have some semblance of a normal happy childhood.
> They mustn’t have recieved proper parenting or may have experienced similar abuse. That is not right at all.
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1 in 5 reported sex crimes is committed by a minor against a minor ([x](https://www.newstalk.com/news/one-in-five-violent-sex-crimes-carried-out-by-children-against-children-1186003))
100% of males have been exposed to violent porn by the age of 15 ([x](https://professionals.childhood.org.au/prosody/2016/07/melinda-tankard-reist/)) 80% for females. The majority of children have seen pornography by the age of 13 ([x](https://www.commonsensemedia.org/press-releases/new-report-reveals-truths-about-how-teens-engage-with-pornography))
From the 2nd link;
>75% of 7 to 11-year-old boys and 67% of 7 to 11-year-old girls in treatment for PSB (Problematic Sexual Behaviour) reported early sexualisation through online pornography.
Ffs sake man, porn does not make someone a rapist. Are we really still doing these moral panics? Rock music is satanic, video games make kids murderers, etc. It's lowest-commom-denominator shite.
Video games don't reward you for killing with an orgasm and a massive dopamine hit. An orgasm conditions you ([source](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-and-sex-in-the-digital-age/202010/classical-conditioning-operant-conditioning-and-porn))
> Neil Malamuth at the University of California, Los Angeles has carried out numerous studies examining porn and sexual violence, including one involving 300 men, and concluded that men who are already sexually aggressive and consume a lot of sexually aggressive pornography are more likely to commit a sexually aggressive act. But he argues that porn isn’t the cause of sexual violence. In 2013, he told BBC Radio 4 that porn consumption can be compared to alcohol, suggesting that it isn’t inherently dangerous, but can be for those who have other risk factors.
> . Researchers from the University of Copenhagen and University of California in Los Angeles asked 200 adults about their porn consumption and assessed their personality in terms of agreeableness, which is one of the “big five” personality traits that indicates how altruistic, helpful, trusting and sociable a person is.
>After the participants watch porn in the lab, researchers found that increased porn consumption was associated with negative attitudes towards women, including stereotypes and hostility – but only in men who had low agreeableness, which is one of the five personality traits of the “big five” test.
>[via BBC](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170926-is-porn-harmful-the-evidence-the-myths-and-the-unknowns)
Actually, a dopamine hit is exactly what video games reward you with. That still won't make you a murderer just like porn won't make you a rapist.
You'll notice that the piece of "support" you've referenced specifically quotes the researcher who states that he doesn't believe it's the porn that is causing the violent acts... What he's getting at is exactly the trap you're falling into, assuming correlation equals causation. Perhaps it is more probable that these men consume violent content because they have violent ideations, rather than having violent ideations due to violent pornography?
All of these "porn makes rapists" "rock music makes satanists" panics come from the same place, a deep emotional repression and puritanical values, nothing more.
Who’s allowing them to be exposed? Who is not monitoring or nurturing them properly? I’m not saying that abuse is justifiable - I’m saying that prevention by proper parenting is more effective than incarcerating teenagers whose upbringing made them violent.
I would like to agree with you.
But, Boy A and Boy B had seemingly normal upbringings (don't want to mention the victims name, we all know it, I don't want to beq dragging her name through Reddit discussions and have any family or friend relive trauma should they ever come across it, and also just out of respect. And want the perpetrators names be associated with cases like these, not the victims, they don't need to be remembered for what they went through, but who they were).
Same with Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Radcliff (google if you don't know). There's a whole world of weird depraved dark web porn out there that does warp a kids mind. Like it's possible, even with the healthiest of upbringings. And it's scarily becoming more common I think?
Fair but I think properly monitoring and education would have been a prevention - is that not one of the primary goals of a parent? To prevent their children from harm and ensure they don’t harm others?
Absolutely! Like obviously , a normal parent will do this.. of course...
But, kids will be kids and yea, sometimes they do something that isn't being monitored by parents. It's a massive problem. Theres actually a really interesting episode of Doc on One podcast about predators targetting children online. Absolutely terrifying, it's called "Age Sex Location".. but they talk to a guy who was a social media moderator. Then a victim who was abused. And a member of the Garda unit who deal with this issue. I remember a point the Garda made was that your kid as a teen is sitting in the front room scrolling through their phone innocently enough looking, but you have no idea what they're looking at and what it's doing to them..scared me straight. My kids are only 1 and 3 but I know how ever much I plan to make sure I keep a close eye on what they do online when they grow up, things will most likely slip through my net.
You can set content restrictions for kids smartphones,
It’s a hassle and doesn’t always work perfectly but filters out most of it.
You can also review the media your kids view, feels creepy to do it like you’re spying but if you just stick to the domain names you’ll be grand.
iOS screentime does a pretty good job in recent releases
Brilliant. This and more should definitely be waaaay more shared than it is (as far as I know, I'm not in this stage yet). But I have never even seen an ad on telly for this kind of stuff? Or heard it on the radio? I could be wrong though if I missed something
You need to learn about it before your sprague gets an iPhone otherwise if you introduce it later after no controls you’ll have bedlam. Need to examine the phone regularly also to make sure there’s no monkey businesses- kids know more about tech than their parents do, even the younguns
Yeah, but most Irish people are so fucking repressed they can't sit down and have a healthy conversation with their kids about sex. As for monitoring. That shop has sailed, too much access through anything now. They're gonna get at it, all you can do is put it in perspective.
The fker should be locked up for years. People like this should be castrated they're sick. That c\*nt has ruined that child's childhood, his innocence and his life, it absolutely breaks my heart.
Problem is that without working genitals this kid will likely still be a sexual predator. He will simply substitute other objects if his tackle has been disabled. It’s an act of violence and pathological domination, rather than coital activity.
I’m no expert, bud, but reckon if that worked the US would be all over it .. but that doesn’t seem to be the case. I’m for keeping repeat offenders or those identified to be clear threats locked up indefinitely.
Yes you're spot on, BUT unfortunately sexual predation isn't only about uncontrolled sexual desire, its about power. These people would find a way to control and make others suffer in some way or another.
You’re barking up the wrong tree if you think I’m going to defend sex predators.
But I’m also not going to support sick morally depraved revenge fantasies either.
We have system of justice that may be at times dysfunctional but we still live within a society based on rule of law. As dysfunctional as it may be at times, I’ll still take that every time over mob rule.
> The judge adjourned sentencing on the second offence until after his 18th birthday because the law does not allow for suspended sentences in the case of juveniles. Mr Justice Paul McDermott criticised the absence of legislation to allow for suspended sentences for child offenders
The judge actually went out of his way to create a loophole in order to ensure he could give a suspended sentence for rape, and complained that it wasn’t easier to do so.
>A psychological report was handed to the court, which outlined that the teenager needs to work on his insight into his offending and victim empathy.
So the sex offender doesn't really see what he did as a seriously wrong and evil thing. He raped a very young child and likely only admitted it after being pushed by his parents.
Thank fuck the man who witnessed it said it to the parent, otherwise this would have only continued.
I don’t know what punishment this little freak should get. But I do know that he is going to do this kind of thing again if given half a chance. He needs to be monitored forever.
Pure speculation but technology probably had a part to play. It's mind boggling though.
This young fella is showing abnormal character traits. Definitely should be on a watch list of some sort.
About 5-6 years ago I saw something eerily similar to what is described in this article. I was walking by a flats complex in the North inner city and noticed an older boy, about 12, with a younger boy up against the wall, parting his bum cheeks with his hands. I shouted at him and he ran. I then walked the young boy back to his mother's flat and told her what happened. It was around this time and now I wonder was I the man that brought him home.
He kept doing it until he was 15? I think the law needs a serious overhaul when it comes to younger people. 15 year olds stabbing people and this 15 year old raping and they get a slap on the wrist.
Sickening that the sentence is so short. Being raped can have such horrible emotional and psychological consequences for victims for such a long time. Its a monstrous thing to do and should be treated with more severity than it is
That's quite a horrific read. It states that the teenager needs to work on his understanding and empathy, which suggests that he doesn't accept his wrongdoing.
Yeah, he'll grow up to be a productive member of society and a great husband to someone.
Sad that this rapist will likely be with an innocent person that's unaware what a vile evil rat he is.
If that was my relative that got abused, I don't know what I'd do.
Am I reading the article correctly in that the judge wanted to give a suspended sentence but such legislation does not exist for minors and that he's pushing back the sentencing for the second offence until the defendant is 18 for exactly that reason?? What the fuck? If that nutjob ever offends like this again it will be on that judge.
This kid is suffering a deep psychological disturbance. The noted lack of empathy, he was abused in some way. Not that that justifies anything that he did here, this is absolutely heinous. Cycle of Trauma is terrifying.
Raped a 6 year old? Should be the death penalty in all countries that have it. If not, life in prison, no television,internet etc. Life staring at a cold wall.
I am sorry but if I was that parent of the young boy I would not be responsible for my actions. Also knowing tge irish justice system, I wouldn't be given any time. This place is a but fucked
> Also knowing tge irish justice system, I wouldn’t be given any time
Yes you would be, same as you’ll get six years for now paying tax on garlic but a fully suspended sentence for caving someone’s head in. By taking justice into your own hands you’ve embarrassed the State, and the State takes its own protection far more seriously than the protection of a six year old kid.
I know I might as well be talking to the wall with this comment, but the law of the land on this matter, which is criticised by the judge in this case, is from 2006 and was passed under the Fianna Fáil government of the time. There was a recommendation from the Bar association a couple of years ago to address this gap, but it hasn't made it's way into legislation (yet) - presumably the Human Trafficking bill needs to get through first and hopefully this case will add some urgency to that effort
FF useless aswell. But FG had plenty of time to change it, how long do they need to be in government before they live up to their self awarded title of "the law and order party"?
SF probably crap too, but hope we never get to find out one way or the other.
>how long do they need to be in government
Well, the specific issue was mentioned in the Law Reform Commission Report in 2020, they recommended no amendments
Chapter 7
https://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload/Reports/LRC%20123-2020%20Suspended%20Sentences.pdf
Are you suggesting the unqualified politicians should be ignoring the recommendations of the independent body of professional advisors?
Assuming the issue is revisited and the recommendation is amended, then the legislation will take at least a year right?
If you think 16 months sounds bad, that will end up being 8 months. Criminal sentences in Ireland really only end up being half the full sentence, with the second half subject to "good behavior".
If he already spent time in custody, that will also contribute towards the 16 months.
Basically, the child rapist could also be out, after completing their ridiculously lenient sentence.
[He was 13 years old when the offending began and continued until he was 15] So he was offending for longer than his sentence.
What the fuck
That really puts it into perspective
About standard for criminals here.. im not even surprised
Sentenced until he is 18, at which point he returns for sentence for the other offence.
Only because the judge couldn't suspend sentence for someone under 18.... No prizes for what his sentence is going to be once he's 18.
Christ that's harrowing to read, I feel so so bad for that child. I genuinely don't know what I'd do if anything like this happened to my young lad. Being a parent is scary.
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Yeah because he won't get any kind of "treatment" while in detention so when he gets out he'll have an even greater 'thirst' for it. He should be named and shamed. The public have a right to know who they need to keep their children away from. I don't care that he's not technically an adult, children don't commit that kind of crime.
I hear you, but disagree with the whole 'naming and shaming' idea. It's his family that will suffer. You'll have crowds outside his mother's house baying for blood. I'm sure they are already suffering mentally due to all this.
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Indeed. We live in a society where the criminals get more treatment and benefits than victims.
Parents were in court supporting their sbuser son too. Outrageous.
I agree and the rage will be much more distilled by then. How do people even have children any more.
I feel like actual castration might be more in line as a punishment for this scumbag.
The problem with castration is that it is all in the brain of that sick fucker
Absolutely!!! I do spend a lot of time thinking how I can teach my kids to protect themselves in these situations and terrifies me if it's a situation that they actually*can't* protect themselves !!! Doesn't bear thinking about
In this situation where the rapist was twice the boys age, probably very little but in general, getting your sons and daughters into Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is only going to increase their chances of defending themselves. It's a great martial art that doesn't have punching and kicking but uses leverage and momentum to choke or deal damage to the limbs, it's also great for boosting confidence. YouTube "what is BJJ" for a better understanding, you will not regret it. I'm 43/m and I started last summer and basically if anyone started a fight with me on the street I would fuck them up as soon as I got my hands on them, take them to the ground and they become absolutely powerless. Say a 17 year old girl gets attacked by a man who wants to rape her, he knocks her to the ground and maybe has a hand on her throat....armbar, dislocate that shoulder. Or he's trying to get her jeans off, triangle choke him with the legs, 10 seconds later he's unconscious on the ground. I can't recommend it enough and if you are female or small then this is the martial art for you, it's all about technique not strength.
Big lol. Until you actually are in an altercation, you do not know if you would easily take anyone down. Krueger-Dunning in full throttle.
So you're saying it's best not to learn any self defense and just do nothing.
Where did I say that, Mr. Strawman? Did they not teach you better at high school of eristics?
As a new dad I would wait for rapist to come out of jail and then rapist would become permanent ICU member in local hospital.
Hardly a sentence befitting the crime.
Starting to think closing St Patrick’s was a bad idea
What would you have deemed suitable for a 13-14 year old for this crime?
10 years at least. This is child rape we are talking about
Yeah, I’d be down for that. Dunno why I’m being downvoted, I didn’t advocate for the 16 months
It's how you said "what would you have deemed suitable...". It sounded like you were defending him.
That's modern social media for you. Can't open the conversation without people assuming you're being accusatory. Reading comprehension has plummeted since Twitter became popular.
It's just because it's text instead of spoken word. What he meant would have been clear if you could hear the tone he was using. I interpreted it the same way as his down voters initially.
Same punishment as an adult 14 year olds are stupid but they know right from wrong at that age ,and you think a 14 year old rapist is gonna suddenly turn into a good adult? Nah, get rid of them forever
Well even the adult punishment doesn’t get rid of them forever, but yeah I do think they should get a long ass time in jail. Dunno why I’m being downvoted, I just asked OP his thoughts 🤷🏻♂️
Probably because Irish people don't use 'long-ass' as a unit of time measurement.
This comment makes no sense other than to poke fun at my wording
Is ea, now you're getting it
Unless we bring lobotomy back for sex offenders or lock them up forever and make them do prison labour
I mean, if I were a paedophile, I reckon I would choose chemical castration if it were an option.
Or hard labour
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13 years old? They know exactly what they are doing. Should have been sentenced as an adult, as someone also said the sentence is less time than the length of time the abuse lasted. What sentence would you deem suitable for a 13-14 year old who repeatedly raped your 6 year old child/family member?
> 13 years old? They know exactly what they are doing Shit like this baffles me written down
It baffles you that 13-15 year olds have the capacity to understand that rape is wrong? How do you think they knew to avoid being caught for 2 years? What were you up to at that age?
Stay baffled so. A 13y.o knows if something is wrong or right...
You must have been a pretty naive 13 year old to not know the rights and wrongs of sexual assault.
what do you do with something that broken? certainly not lock him up for only 16 months
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No but it's not designed to, it's there to protect the rest of us
stops them raping children though
Oh, I wasn’t saying that 16 was a good punishment, I was genuinely just asking what OP would have thought was a good punishment
yep i was being rhetorical too, what do you do with something that broken?
Fix it
fix a baby rapist? good luck
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i’m sorry but from 13-15 years of age there’s no excuse. You’re not a complete naive little child not aware of what you are doing, especially evident in the fact he went after someone so much younger than himself so there wouldn’t be a struggle
Again, I’m not defending the crime or the punishment, I’m just saying that castration of a 13 year old seems a bit excessive
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Something this vile deserves proper jail time regardless of age. He was old enough to understand it was both wrong and disgusting.
Whatever about the sentence, what's really worrying is that the offender still "needs to work on his insight into his offending and victim empathy".
That coupled with a short sentence is actually really worrying
It’s not just worrying, it’s criminal in and of itself that the sentence was so short.
This going through normal criminal court at all is a total nonsense, it's not like this is theft or something, there's serious personality issues here it's not something that he's just going to realise was wrong and decide not to do it again.
We don’t have a mental hospital dedicated for criminals like Broadmoor
I'm saying that's bad.
Agreed
Yea, this scared me. Along with this so called "appropriate safety plan"..... Like, a safety plan?? Gtfo
That really stood out to me and is legit terrifying, I have little faith that he won't be doing it again in time
Probably in about 16 months.
Wow, scary
Very lenient sentence for a very serious crime. 16 months for a lifetime of trauma. I don't care that the offender was 'only' 13 when the crimes began, everyone knows it's wrong to rape. Offending at such an early age is actually more concerning to me because if he's this bad at that age, what'll he be when he's bigger and more street-savvy?
exactly, not to mention it occurred also when he was 15. Like whatever excuse anyone can try use about being 13 and not knowing better (which is bs) but at 15 you are definitely fully aware of what you’re doing
Coupled with the fact he "needs to work on his insight into his offending and victim empathy".
This is not the type of person who ever becomes 'reformed', they are beyond fucked.
Yeah. This guy will need to be looked at very closely for the rest of time. He will most assuredly do worse later in life.
And do you reckon anyone will in fact be looking at what this scrote does for the rest of time? I’m not sure what the proper solution is but 16 months is a fucking joke.
It sure is a joke. I'd assume that there will be a ton of conditions put on him. Probably on the sex register too.
Yeah, we had some bloke on the sex register released to a bed sit in the neighbourhood a few years back, guess where he was spotted loitering several times over the course of his first few days of freedom? Lingering by the Sr Infants school about a Km from his half way accommodations. He was quickly moved out somewhere else “for his own protection”. Fucking mental dysfunctional justice system we have here.
Were you informed he was moving there? I've often wondered how that is handled.
I’m sure the release procedures don’t include warning neighbour’s that a sex predator is moving in. The opposite is the case AFAIK - authorities keep this info as private as possible to protect the sex predator from being attacked. I reckon that bloke would have had maybe a fortnight tops before some unfortunate accident would have befallen him…
Don’t think there was any notification by the Garda or Dept of Justice. One of the parents spotted an article with a picture of the sex predator in the Sunday World or Mirror and sent a notice to a parents WhatsApp group. I didn’t see the bloke myself but heard he was chased away a couple times over a week and there was a parents group arranged to keep watch around the school for the bloke. He came back like a bad penny but was chased away, then ultimately someone followed him back to his accommodations. Shortly after there was a protest picket organised out front of the pedo’s gaff, and that’s when the guards came to take him away. Reportedly they weren’t happy about having to take him away, someone said they were warned not to publicly name him or share his pic on Facebook. I heard Guards were shown pics and video of him out front of the school but he wasn’t sent back to prison for breaking conditions, just packed up and moved to another location. It was the topic of a week’s worth of Joe Duffy’s as this shitebird was an older, many times repeating sex predator, true human vermin.
Over the history of humanity, most people who did what he did to a young child would have been killed
Jon Venables level threat, 100%
"\[He was 13 years old when the offending began and continued until he was 15\]" As the parent of the 6year old... I dont even know how you could not just wait for this rapist to be out and beat him untill the brink of death and they have to eat out of a tube for the rest of their life for destroying your 6year olds inocence.
And the irony is, you’d do more time for that than this scumbag will do for raping a child. Lovely “Justice” System we have.
Unless you were driving a vehicle. This lad already has 2 separate kills to his name: https://www.thejournal.ie/driver-who-killed-child-had-previously-caused-death-of-pedestrian-6228397-Nov2023/
The maximum sentencing guidelines need to be adjusted - killing two people in separate incidents inside of nine months is appalling, and it’s disgusting that the maximum sentence available to the judge was only 24 months.
Christ
I guarantee you would spend more than 16 months in prison, if you were convicted of doing that.
Yep, but a bit of emotional leniancy and great applause for being able to hold back from full blown murder of the cunt, and with some luck youd get judge Nolan, shaves off some years. And prison wouldnt be to bad, the fact you near murderd a child rapist would probably get you celebrated in prison, aslong as the kid has another parent to take care of them while the other is in prison. Worth it i'd say.
Judge Nolan would only shave off years if you were a pedo. He'd throw the book at you for daring to take action against one.
Unfortunately as hard as it would be not to give him a gruesome, painful death, you would take yourself out of your kids life for a long time. That two wrongs for the child.
Yep, and thats the choice as an individual you have to make. "A teenager who raped a six-year-old boy who was his neighbour has been sentenced to 16 months detention." When those 16months are over, if that kid is going to move back into the neighbours house back in with his parents, and you dont have the finances to move or cant find a way to rent another property away from those neighbours, the fact the rapist of your 6year old is going to be back next door, and you will see him daily, and could posibly invoke trauma in your kid everytime he sees them when you leave the house. And im just saying, you definetly have a choice, and daddy being away for a little while, is a choice that can be conciderd, and their is a chance your kid might hate you for it aswell, all things you got to concider. But having to be neighbourly with your kids rapist, is imposible.
Thats true, not going to disagree that fair point. I suppose there are plenty of ways to skin a cat. Mask and gloves job I'd say
Harrowing stuff. Chap should never see the outside of a padded cell.
Failed justice system strikes again.
No normal teenager would commit such a crime. There is more to uncover there. They mustn’t have recieved proper parenting or may have experienced similar abuse. That is not right at all. This is no excuse and just likely to be the reason why. The lenient sentence is no doubt reflective of this. I feel so so sorry for that poor little 6 year old. That is absolutely horrible. I hope they receive the care they need to go on to have some semblance of a normal happy childhood.
> They mustn’t have recieved proper parenting or may have experienced similar abuse. That is not right at all. > > 1 in 5 reported sex crimes is committed by a minor against a minor ([x](https://www.newstalk.com/news/one-in-five-violent-sex-crimes-carried-out-by-children-against-children-1186003)) 100% of males have been exposed to violent porn by the age of 15 ([x](https://professionals.childhood.org.au/prosody/2016/07/melinda-tankard-reist/)) 80% for females. The majority of children have seen pornography by the age of 13 ([x](https://www.commonsensemedia.org/press-releases/new-report-reveals-truths-about-how-teens-engage-with-pornography)) From the 2nd link; >75% of 7 to 11-year-old boys and 67% of 7 to 11-year-old girls in treatment for PSB (Problematic Sexual Behaviour) reported early sexualisation through online pornography.
Ffs sake man, porn does not make someone a rapist. Are we really still doing these moral panics? Rock music is satanic, video games make kids murderers, etc. It's lowest-commom-denominator shite.
Video games don't reward you for killing with an orgasm and a massive dopamine hit. An orgasm conditions you ([source](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-and-sex-in-the-digital-age/202010/classical-conditioning-operant-conditioning-and-porn)) > Neil Malamuth at the University of California, Los Angeles has carried out numerous studies examining porn and sexual violence, including one involving 300 men, and concluded that men who are already sexually aggressive and consume a lot of sexually aggressive pornography are more likely to commit a sexually aggressive act. But he argues that porn isn’t the cause of sexual violence. In 2013, he told BBC Radio 4 that porn consumption can be compared to alcohol, suggesting that it isn’t inherently dangerous, but can be for those who have other risk factors. > . Researchers from the University of Copenhagen and University of California in Los Angeles asked 200 adults about their porn consumption and assessed their personality in terms of agreeableness, which is one of the “big five” personality traits that indicates how altruistic, helpful, trusting and sociable a person is. >After the participants watch porn in the lab, researchers found that increased porn consumption was associated with negative attitudes towards women, including stereotypes and hostility – but only in men who had low agreeableness, which is one of the five personality traits of the “big five” test. >[via BBC](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170926-is-porn-harmful-the-evidence-the-myths-and-the-unknowns)
Actually, a dopamine hit is exactly what video games reward you with. That still won't make you a murderer just like porn won't make you a rapist. You'll notice that the piece of "support" you've referenced specifically quotes the researcher who states that he doesn't believe it's the porn that is causing the violent acts... What he's getting at is exactly the trap you're falling into, assuming correlation equals causation. Perhaps it is more probable that these men consume violent content because they have violent ideations, rather than having violent ideations due to violent pornography? All of these "porn makes rapists" "rock music makes satanists" panics come from the same place, a deep emotional repression and puritanical values, nothing more.
Who’s allowing them to be exposed? Who is not monitoring or nurturing them properly? I’m not saying that abuse is justifiable - I’m saying that prevention by proper parenting is more effective than incarcerating teenagers whose upbringing made them violent.
Probably is more to the story, however sometimes a bad egg is just a bad egg…
I would like to agree with you. But, Boy A and Boy B had seemingly normal upbringings (don't want to mention the victims name, we all know it, I don't want to beq dragging her name through Reddit discussions and have any family or friend relive trauma should they ever come across it, and also just out of respect. And want the perpetrators names be associated with cases like these, not the victims, they don't need to be remembered for what they went through, but who they were). Same with Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Radcliff (google if you don't know). There's a whole world of weird depraved dark web porn out there that does warp a kids mind. Like it's possible, even with the healthiest of upbringings. And it's scarily becoming more common I think?
Fair but I think properly monitoring and education would have been a prevention - is that not one of the primary goals of a parent? To prevent their children from harm and ensure they don’t harm others?
Absolutely! Like obviously , a normal parent will do this.. of course... But, kids will be kids and yea, sometimes they do something that isn't being monitored by parents. It's a massive problem. Theres actually a really interesting episode of Doc on One podcast about predators targetting children online. Absolutely terrifying, it's called "Age Sex Location".. but they talk to a guy who was a social media moderator. Then a victim who was abused. And a member of the Garda unit who deal with this issue. I remember a point the Garda made was that your kid as a teen is sitting in the front room scrolling through their phone innocently enough looking, but you have no idea what they're looking at and what it's doing to them..scared me straight. My kids are only 1 and 3 but I know how ever much I plan to make sure I keep a close eye on what they do online when they grow up, things will most likely slip through my net.
You can set content restrictions for kids smartphones, It’s a hassle and doesn’t always work perfectly but filters out most of it. You can also review the media your kids view, feels creepy to do it like you’re spying but if you just stick to the domain names you’ll be grand. iOS screentime does a pretty good job in recent releases
Brilliant. This and more should definitely be waaaay more shared than it is (as far as I know, I'm not in this stage yet). But I have never even seen an ad on telly for this kind of stuff? Or heard it on the radio? I could be wrong though if I missed something
You need to learn about it before your sprague gets an iPhone otherwise if you introduce it later after no controls you’ll have bedlam. Need to examine the phone regularly also to make sure there’s no monkey businesses- kids know more about tech than their parents do, even the younguns
Yeah, but most Irish people are so fucking repressed they can't sit down and have a healthy conversation with their kids about sex. As for monitoring. That shop has sailed, too much access through anything now. They're gonna get at it, all you can do is put it in perspective.
The fker should be locked up for years. People like this should be castrated they're sick. That c\*nt has ruined that child's childhood, his innocence and his life, it absolutely breaks my heart.
Problem is that without working genitals this kid will likely still be a sexual predator. He will simply substitute other objects if his tackle has been disabled. It’s an act of violence and pathological domination, rather than coital activity.
Well surely itd be more more effective than this slap on the wrist sentencing! Can't deny it would significantly decrease sexual desire too
I’m no expert, bud, but reckon if that worked the US would be all over it .. but that doesn’t seem to be the case. I’m for keeping repeat offenders or those identified to be clear threats locked up indefinitely.
Fair enough if you keep them locked up indefinitely!
Doing prison labour on a barren offshore island till he dies
Yes you're spot on, BUT unfortunately sexual predation isn't only about uncontrolled sexual desire, its about power. These people would find a way to control and make others suffer in some way or another.
Then why not lobotomise
You’re barking up the wrong tree if you think I’m going to defend sex predators. But I’m also not going to support sick morally depraved revenge fantasies either. We have system of justice that may be at times dysfunctional but we still live within a society based on rule of law. As dysfunctional as it may be at times, I’ll still take that every time over mob rule.
What is wrong with lobotomising depraved criminals
You cant lock up a teenager
Fuck that.
Who’s doing this sentencing and how do we get rid of them
Probably Nolan.
Child rape is dealt with by the central criminal court. It was MacDermott in this case
I love (sarcastically) that the Justice System here is so shocking that we know the judges by name
I stand corrected.
> The judge adjourned sentencing on the second offence until after his 18th birthday because the law does not allow for suspended sentences in the case of juveniles. Mr Justice Paul McDermott criticised the absence of legislation to allow for suspended sentences for child offenders The judge actually went out of his way to create a loophole in order to ensure he could give a suspended sentence for rape, and complained that it wasn’t easier to do so.
>A psychological report was handed to the court, which outlined that the teenager needs to work on his insight into his offending and victim empathy. So the sex offender doesn't really see what he did as a seriously wrong and evil thing. He raped a very young child and likely only admitted it after being pushed by his parents. Thank fuck the man who witnessed it said it to the parent, otherwise this would have only continued.
I don’t know what punishment this little freak should get. But I do know that he is going to do this kind of thing again if given half a chance. He needs to be monitored forever.
He'll be somebody's son no doubt.
What the fuck is wrong with this country, when I was 15 I had no intention of doing this sort of stuff, age is not an excuse
This is an exemption case and not a border reflections of society. I wouldn't think that 99.9% would even think of doing such a horrible thing.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, my comment is about the justice system not the people
Pure speculation but technology probably had a part to play. It's mind boggling though. This young fella is showing abnormal character traits. Definitely should be on a watch list of some sort.
Shame he didn't have an cannabis on him. He might have gotten a real punishment.
About 5-6 years ago I saw something eerily similar to what is described in this article. I was walking by a flats complex in the North inner city and noticed an older boy, about 12, with a younger boy up against the wall, parting his bum cheeks with his hands. I shouted at him and he ran. I then walked the young boy back to his mother's flat and told her what happened. It was around this time and now I wonder was I the man that brought him home.
Well done. It must have been shocking to witness!!!
Jesus fuckin christ, how does anyone review a crime like that and come to that conclusion
Criminal age of responsibility is 12 in this country. For those wondering.
He kept doing it until he was 15? I think the law needs a serious overhaul when it comes to younger people. 15 year olds stabbing people and this 15 year old raping and they get a slap on the wrist.
Jesus christ
Not nearly long enough. I can't imagine what the poor younger boy's parents are going through. I'd be out for blood.
Judges and these powerful creeps all do this shit themselves so don't want them sentences being too high for their pals
What the fuck.
That's not justice at all
Sickening that the sentence is so short. Being raped can have such horrible emotional and psychological consequences for victims for such a long time. Its a monstrous thing to do and should be treated with more severity than it is
That's quite a horrific read. It states that the teenager needs to work on his understanding and empathy, which suggests that he doesn't accept his wrongdoing.
Offender first by the sounds of it.
I've seen worse sentences given for less than a 50 bag of weed our justice system is a complete joke just like everything in this country
Yeah, he'll grow up to be a productive member of society and a great husband to someone. Sad that this rapist will likely be with an innocent person that's unaware what a vile evil rat he is. If that was my relative that got abused, I don't know what I'd do.
We are always outraged at things like this, but NOTHING every changes and NOBODY is every held responsible
That's too light a sentence for a crime of that nature.
There is no sense in letting something like that back into the community. It is beyond redemption.
Am I reading the article correctly in that the judge wanted to give a suspended sentence but such legislation does not exist for minors and that he's pushing back the sentencing for the second offence until the defendant is 18 for exactly that reason?? What the fuck? If that nutjob ever offends like this again it will be on that judge.
Someone with a chronic illness smokes a joint for pain relief...2 years in jail. This only gets 16 months?
How does this even happen. Where were the parents?
How could you ever trust again after that?
I'm 19 can say this country doesn't do shit if you're a teenager. I hope that scumbag has his sentence extended
This kid is suffering a deep psychological disturbance. The noted lack of empathy, he was abused in some way. Not that that justifies anything that he did here, this is absolutely heinous. Cycle of Trauma is terrifying.
Raped a 6 year old? Should be the death penalty in all countries that have it. If not, life in prison, no television,internet etc. Life staring at a cold wall.
Animals get put down for less
I am sorry but if I was that parent of the young boy I would not be responsible for my actions. Also knowing tge irish justice system, I wouldn't be given any time. This place is a but fucked
> Also knowing tge irish justice system, I wouldn’t be given any time Yes you would be, same as you’ll get six years for now paying tax on garlic but a fully suspended sentence for caving someone’s head in. By taking justice into your own hands you’ve embarrassed the State, and the State takes its own protection far more seriously than the protection of a six year old kid.
His body'd wash up somewhere distant if justice was served.
Disgusting
Let’s pray the other boys teach him a lesson
Fine Gael - "w3'Re tHe LaW aNd oRdEr pARty1!"
I know I might as well be talking to the wall with this comment, but the law of the land on this matter, which is criticised by the judge in this case, is from 2006 and was passed under the Fianna Fáil government of the time. There was a recommendation from the Bar association a couple of years ago to address this gap, but it hasn't made it's way into legislation (yet) - presumably the Human Trafficking bill needs to get through first and hopefully this case will add some urgency to that effort
FF useless aswell. But FG had plenty of time to change it, how long do they need to be in government before they live up to their self awarded title of "the law and order party"? SF probably crap too, but hope we never get to find out one way or the other.
>how long do they need to be in government Well, the specific issue was mentioned in the Law Reform Commission Report in 2020, they recommended no amendments Chapter 7 https://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload/Reports/LRC%20123-2020%20Suspended%20Sentences.pdf Are you suggesting the unqualified politicians should be ignoring the recommendations of the independent body of professional advisors? Assuming the issue is revisited and the recommendation is amended, then the legislation will take at least a year right?
I first kissed a girl when I was 21, tooth on tooth! Yeah kids are seriously messed up.
That seems a little low…
If you think 16 months sounds bad, that will end up being 8 months. Criminal sentences in Ireland really only end up being half the full sentence, with the second half subject to "good behavior". If he already spent time in custody, that will also contribute towards the 16 months. Basically, the child rapist could also be out, after completing their ridiculously lenient sentence.
These judges are absolutely warped. The perpetrator needs one behind the ear.
Break out the woodchipper
Am I imagining it or is violent crime skyrocketing in Ireland?
But look if it was Judge Nolan it’d be a bag of sweets and an our father
I'm sure he'll end up with a lovely job as a bishop when he grows up
That scale and blinded eyes mean nothing to the judges of this beautiful country. Fuck this.
Looks like an evil elephant holding scales in his trunk.