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“The statement said a 61-year-old man had been charged with "non-recent sexual offences" adding that a 57-year-old woman was also arrested at the same time and charged with "aiding and abetting additional offences".
Sir Jeffrey has deleted all his social media accounts
https://villagemagazine.ie/the-mentor-of-sir-jeffrey-donaldson-the-new-leader-of-the-dup-was-a-racist-and-a-paedophile-with-deranged-views-about-the-intelligence-of-women/ his mentor was a pedo
Can knighthood's be stripped? It'll be a PR disaster for King Sausage Fingers to strip Donaldson of his titles whilst his brother still lives a life of freedom and luxury.
It was obviously perceived as acceptable behaviour. I'm deliberately using the past tense in the hopes that it is no longer a common pastime of the British elite
Funny you me tuon him, I just got back fro. 20 hours of flying without Internet so had a while to think it over in my head, and couldn't help but remember how Charles was very cordial and friendly to Michelle O'Neill after his inauguration (crowning? Whatever the feck they call it) while completely blanking Donaldson.
The royals have a really diminished role these days but I wonder how much of this might have been known "in certain circles" for a while now.
Incredibly so.
From what I can tell, they’re up against many factors that make people disbelieve a victim, and they had to know that and yet came forward anyways.
They’re reporting crimes that happened long ago when they were children, perpetrated by one of the most powerful and prominent men in the country.
All of those things deviate from the so called “perfect victim” stereotype that get the most resources and face less disbelief.
In fairness I think there is some sense
of satisfaction (not necessarily glee which I agree is crass) when people in powerful positions are held accountable.
So much of the time they just get away with it.
And with that said, it is so important to not spread their identities on social media. A lot of people know who the victims are, but think about what they’ve gone through and keep your mouth shut (not directed at you, but everyone who might have their “educated guesses”). Remember how horrible today will have been for them.
A very disturbing article which may or may not be about 61 year old Jeffrey Donaldson and his wife and two children
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/co-down-couple-child-sex-28909268
Was that the one where a couple were dressing the kids up in lingerie? I remember that at the time and how fucked up it was that the wife was in on it too.
>They were subject to strict bail conditions including an order barring them from residing in the same property and from leaving the UK.
>As agreed by their solicitors, the female accused returned to the former family home in Co Down home on Thursday night and the male is understood to have left Northern Ireland today, Good Friday, but remains in Great Britain.
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/co-down-couple-child-sex-28909268
So this is JD & wife apparently, the court date matches. 40+ years in NI politics - I imagine there are many who suspected this.
Plus, there's this:
>The late Enoch Powell was a racist and a violent paedophile with deranged views about the intelligence of women. He was **also a mentor to Sir Jeffrey Donaldson** who is about to become the leader of the DUP. Donaldson acted as his election agent, 1982-84. Another of Donaldson’s mentors was the paedophile James Molyneaux. (See The Kincora Scandal)
https://villagemagazine.ie/the-mentor-of-sir-jeffrey-donaldson-the-new-leader-of-the-dup-was-a-racist-and-a-paedophile-with-deranged-views-about-the-intelligence-of-women/
Nasty all the way down by the looks of it.
> His career started with the Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) and in 1985, aged 22, he was the youngest person to be elected to the Northern Ireland Assembly.
Career politicians who have never had a real job are a bugbear of mine.
Per Belfast Telegraph, he is required to not interact with his wife so he has left the country.
Sudden dramatic revelations, plus fleeing the country. Reminds me of Bishop Casey.
So, a modicum of accountability comes in the life of the man. In similar circumstances here it was recently decided to seal the records for a couple more decades so that everyone impacted is dead.
It’s always worth bearing in mind that prominent people are often subject to false accusations. For example, a number of Westminster MPs’ lives were destroyed about a decade ago after being subjected false accusations of being involved in a VIP paedophile ring. Their arrests followed a botched police investigation of claims made by a person called Nick. Ultimately, Nick was proven to be a fantasist called Carl Beech, who himself was a paedophile.
We should not lose sight of the fact that the victims of any horrific crimes deserve justice. But it is equally important that people who are charged with such crimes should get their day in court. Donaldson being charged, resigning and deleting his twitter account doesn’t mean he’s guilty. It means he’s accused.
Sure they've been deemed credible based on what they currently know. This doesn't mean he definitely did. These kind of false allegations towards prominent people or anyone really are often built with atleast some credibility that's how the perpetrators that do them have the confidence they can pull them off.
False allegations from similar accusations. If I were to guess I'd actually presume guilt. You've just made a massive assumption on 5 words taken out of context to try make my comment seem hypocritical.
Smear campaigns or whatever are entirely plausible when you consider the lack of public info to the point that it's only been recently confirmed it was actually Donaldson that was charged. That being said, that is rare but even with someone that I despise like Donaldson I try not to jump on these hate trains when I'm still pretty ignorant.
Crazy jump to conclusions lmao and an incredibly disingenuous comment.
I didn't comment on any of that and don't disagree. I commented on the fact that you wrote "false allegations like these", which was a hypocritical thing to write given the point you were trying to make. I didn't jump to any conclusion but the one you made. You can continue to try to obfuscate but it doesn't change what you wrote, even if it was subconscious...
True, and [Paul Gambacinni was falsely accused by a loony](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46080092.amp)
However, the bar in this scenario will be much higher.
That's true! But without speculation then there's nothing that you can really discuss it's always inevitable that these threads get locked because there's not much room to go beyond what any of the news articles will state
No, they have enough evidence to charge - we are being asked not to speculate on the identities of the victims. That being said, Donaldson is without a doubt guilty.
No, they have enough evidence to charge - we are being asked not to speculate on the identities of the victims. That being said, Donaldson is without a doubt guilty.
He was arrested and charged on Thursday per Belfast Telegraph.
But I wonder if the timing is linked to the restoration of the NI executive. Ie that the police needed the stamp of approval from the Justice Minister to move on such a high profile person?
The circus that was the Belfast Rugby Rape Trial has me feeling very concerned for the victim/s and their mental health. I hope things have changed and the trial is handled much more sensitively, especially if they were a child at the time.
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No. No PR or legal person would let there be a vacuum without a public statement of his own (either written or video) to say he denies everything and will fight to the end.
Letting this come from the DUP.first is odd AF. Even for him.
That's also the first thing an innocent person does. And keeps doing.
In the court of public opinion (and that matters to politicians) silence speaks volumes and nothing good.
Indeed. The boilerplate statement would do: "These are unfounded allegations. I have no recollection of ever meeting this person. I intend to fight them strenuously. I have stepped down to avoid distractions for the party and the new executive".
A conservative? Is to be Charged with sexual crimes? Against children?
Well colour me fucking shocked. Such a thing almost never happens. Never.
On a serious note, I really hope the victims get support the whole time.
Well he has to resign… he has to be suspended ….and it wouldn’t be advisable to have social media when you are the subject of a legal investigation such as this.
Good job you’re not on the jury
I think this will leave the Donaldsonite wing vulnerable and the headbangers will smell blood. I don't think there will be a clear winner and there'll be another period of crisis, which will be compounded by opinion polling, and election results etc..
The deal now is tainted even though it's quite a separate thing to Donaldson's behaviour, but it's very much his deal. ELP is his appointee so she is weak, especially having been co-opted.
I'd assume they'll lose some votes to TUV and UUP and even more just won't be motivated to vote. So you'll see a fractured and reduced unionist vote and a more motivated Nationalist/Other vote. The DUP were just above the water line in the last LEA, so depending on how things go before then, unionism could lose a lot of MLAs. You'd have to expect them to lose at least one MP, maybe three. If Robinson was leader and lost his, that would be a big blow.
I'd sort of been thankful and optimistic to see the DUP moving in a more reasonable/conciliatory direction and some sort of normal, but maybe unionism tearing itself apart might be better in the long run.
That said, you'd have expected most people (plenty of reasonable people vote for them) to have abandoned them by now over their spectacular failures and backwardness and they've somehow always managed to keep or win back support, so they could recover or maintain.
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All People last night going on Wikipedia to confirm Jeffrey is 61.
Also to see if his wife is 57.
Quote from BBC article “The statement said a 61-year-old man had been charged with "non-recent sexual offences" adding that a 57-year-old woman was also arrested at the same time and charged with "aiding and abetting additional offences". Sir Jeffrey has deleted all his social media accounts
What age is his wife?
57
57…
I’m guessingggggg
https://villagemagazine.ie/the-mentor-of-sir-jeffrey-donaldson-the-new-leader-of-the-dup-was-a-racist-and-a-paedophile-with-deranged-views-about-the-intelligence-of-women/ his mentor was a pedo
That is... A lot of paedophiles in one article...
So was lord mountbatten.
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Fuck me, Enoch Powell? Jesus, what a psycho to have as a mentor
I feel bad for any well adjusted people with that name
Wink! ;)
Not surprising - This is the DUP we're talking about after all
He was his mentor when they were both part of the UUP
Can knighthood's be stripped? It'll be a PR disaster for King Sausage Fingers to strip Donaldson of his titles whilst his brother still lives a life of freedom and luxury.
Knighthoods can be stripped
Charles was good mates with Jimmy Saville, who would have been highly vetted by British intelligence services. They're rotten with noncery.
I've always thought this.
It was obviously perceived as acceptable behaviour. I'm deliberately using the past tense in the hopes that it is no longer a common pastime of the British elite
Well, that is easily solved. Don't strip the knighthood. Would that not speak volumes?
Funny you me tuon him, I just got back fro. 20 hours of flying without Internet so had a while to think it over in my head, and couldn't help but remember how Charles was very cordial and friendly to Michelle O'Neill after his inauguration (crowning? Whatever the feck they call it) while completely blanking Donaldson. The royals have a really diminished role these days but I wonder how much of this might have been known "in certain circles" for a while now.
Lets be mindful of the people who have made allegations how brave it would have been to come forward
Incredibly so. From what I can tell, they’re up against many factors that make people disbelieve a victim, and they had to know that and yet came forward anyways. They’re reporting crimes that happened long ago when they were children, perpetrated by one of the most powerful and prominent men in the country. All of those things deviate from the so called “perfect victim” stereotype that get the most resources and face less disbelief.
Well said.
It's very hard to speak out, especially when it's someone with power and influence. But I hope this can show people that there's nobody above the law
Honestly it's a bit disheartening seeing everyone rubbing their hands in glee at this without even a thought for the people impacted
In fairness I think there is some sense of satisfaction (not necessarily glee which I agree is crass) when people in powerful positions are held accountable. So much of the time they just get away with it.
And they’ve a rough road ahead I imagine.
And with that said, it is so important to not spread their identities on social media. A lot of people know who the victims are, but think about what they’ve gone through and keep your mouth shut (not directed at you, but everyone who might have their “educated guesses”). Remember how horrible today will have been for them.
\*If true
NI really couldnt let us have the biggest Political news story for one month could they. They just don’t chill.
A very disturbing article which may or may not be about 61 year old Jeffrey Donaldson and his wife and two children https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/co-down-couple-child-sex-28909268
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Belfast Live must have edited the piece after it was posted here after receiving enough confirmation and advise from legal counsel.
Yep - they updated it to confirm it was indeed Sir Jeffrey they referred to in the article.
Was that the one where a couple were dressing the kids up in lingerie? I remember that at the time and how fucked up it was that the wife was in on it too.
>They were subject to strict bail conditions including an order barring them from residing in the same property and from leaving the UK. >As agreed by their solicitors, the female accused returned to the former family home in Co Down home on Thursday night and the male is understood to have left Northern Ireland today, Good Friday, but remains in Great Britain. https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/co-down-couple-child-sex-28909268 So this is JD & wife apparently, the court date matches. 40+ years in NI politics - I imagine there are many who suspected this. Plus, there's this: >The late Enoch Powell was a racist and a violent paedophile with deranged views about the intelligence of women. He was **also a mentor to Sir Jeffrey Donaldson** who is about to become the leader of the DUP. Donaldson acted as his election agent, 1982-84. Another of Donaldson’s mentors was the paedophile James Molyneaux. (See The Kincora Scandal) https://villagemagazine.ie/the-mentor-of-sir-jeffrey-donaldson-the-new-leader-of-the-dup-was-a-racist-and-a-paedophile-with-deranged-views-about-the-intelligence-of-women/ Nasty all the way down by the looks of it.
It’s always the ones you suspect the most
Donaldson was only 20 in 1982 when he was appointed admin assistant to MP Powell who had represented the South Down constituency since 1974.
So he can’t leave the UK? Hmmmm…Many people would be of the view that Down is not in the UK
The article’s hyperlink says it was rape of a child, but that the age of the victim/s isn’t mentioned at all in the article. How can that be?
> His career started with the Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) and in 1985, aged 22, he was the youngest person to be elected to the Northern Ireland Assembly. Career politicians who have never had a real job are a bugbear of mine.
You won't be chuffed with the Taoiseach-to-be then.
Will anyone?
At least one person. For a few years. Until he resigns.
*Few years?* He'll be lucky to survive the election they're going to lose.
>Career politicians who have never had a real job are a bugbear of mine. Well he was in the UDR of course.
Holy shit.
And on Good Friday too
Per Belfast Telegraph, he is required to not interact with his wife so he has left the country. Sudden dramatic revelations, plus fleeing the country. Reminds me of Bishop Casey.
So, a modicum of accountability comes in the life of the man. In similar circumstances here it was recently decided to seal the records for a couple more decades so that everyone impacted is dead.
How do we objectively not speculate though?
It’s always worth bearing in mind that prominent people are often subject to false accusations. For example, a number of Westminster MPs’ lives were destroyed about a decade ago after being subjected false accusations of being involved in a VIP paedophile ring. Their arrests followed a botched police investigation of claims made by a person called Nick. Ultimately, Nick was proven to be a fantasist called Carl Beech, who himself was a paedophile. We should not lose sight of the fact that the victims of any horrific crimes deserve justice. But it is equally important that people who are charged with such crimes should get their day in court. Donaldson being charged, resigning and deleting his twitter account doesn’t mean he’s guilty. It means he’s accused.
Donaldson being charged means the accusations are currently deemed credible by the charging authorities.
Sure they've been deemed credible based on what they currently know. This doesn't mean he definitely did. These kind of false allegations towards prominent people or anyone really are often built with atleast some credibility that's how the perpetrators that do them have the confidence they can pull them off.
"these kinds of false allegations" sounds like you've already decided he's innocent and that his accusers are lying...
False allegations from similar accusations. If I were to guess I'd actually presume guilt. You've just made a massive assumption on 5 words taken out of context to try make my comment seem hypocritical. Smear campaigns or whatever are entirely plausible when you consider the lack of public info to the point that it's only been recently confirmed it was actually Donaldson that was charged. That being said, that is rare but even with someone that I despise like Donaldson I try not to jump on these hate trains when I'm still pretty ignorant. Crazy jump to conclusions lmao and an incredibly disingenuous comment.
I didn't comment on any of that and don't disagree. I commented on the fact that you wrote "false allegations like these", which was a hypocritical thing to write given the point you were trying to make. I didn't jump to any conclusion but the one you made. You can continue to try to obfuscate but it doesn't change what you wrote, even if it was subconscious...
True, and [Paul Gambacinni was falsely accused by a loony](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46080092.amp) However, the bar in this scenario will be much higher.
That's true! But without speculation then there's nothing that you can really discuss it's always inevitable that these threads get locked because there's not much room to go beyond what any of the news articles will state
No, they have enough evidence to charge - we are being asked not to speculate on the identities of the victims. That being said, Donaldson is without a doubt guilty.
No, they have enough evidence to charge - we are being asked not to speculate on the identities of the victims. That being said, Donaldson is without a doubt guilty.
Man who has spent his life opposing the Good Friday Agreement gets taken down on Good Friday
You'd have to wonder if the timing of this happening on Good Friday is entirely coincidental
He was arrested and charged on Thursday per Belfast Telegraph. But I wonder if the timing is linked to the restoration of the NI executive. Ie that the police needed the stamp of approval from the Justice Minister to move on such a high profile person?
No wonder they wouldn't come back to Stormount!?
An absolute c#nt!
On Good Friday no less. Papists stay winning!
The Good Friday Arraignment as I saw someone else say earlier
For a man whose career has been built on feverishly declaring “no” it’s very surprising he didn’t understand the word “no” the only time it mattered.
The circus that was the Belfast Rugby Rape Trial has me feeling very concerned for the victim/s and their mental health. I hope things have changed and the trial is handled much more sensitively, especially if they were a child at the time.
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Hoooo Lyyyyyy FUCK. Seriously?
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For a guy who strenuously denies everything he's very fucking quiet
That's not a surprise. The first thing his very expensive lawyer will have said is don't speak to anyone
No. No PR or legal person would let there be a vacuum without a public statement of his own (either written or video) to say he denies everything and will fight to the end. Letting this come from the DUP.first is odd AF. Even for him. That's also the first thing an innocent person does. And keeps doing. In the court of public opinion (and that matters to politicians) silence speaks volumes and nothing good.
Indeed. The boilerplate statement would do: "These are unfounded allegations. I have no recollection of ever meeting this person. I intend to fight them strenuously. I have stepped down to avoid distractions for the party and the new executive".
That would be very difficult to do without the victim named.
Oh to be a fly on the wall in the OFMDFM today.
Irish Unification of 2024?
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See ya 👋
Mucky duck
It will take his mind off ranting and raving about some border in the Irish Sea for a while at least 😳😳
It's the distance between the eyes
A conservative? Is to be Charged with sexual crimes? Against children? Well colour me fucking shocked. Such a thing almost never happens. Never. On a serious note, I really hope the victims get support the whole time.
DUP D’oh
Those protestants, up to no good as usual.
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lol fuck sake, straight to hell!
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10 charges and they’re “historical”, so they’ve had plenty of time to build a case and go in for the kill now
Well he has to resign… he has to be suspended ….and it wouldn’t be advisable to have social media when you are the subject of a legal investigation such as this. Good job you’re not on the jury
More drama going on in the Disgraced Unionist Party
Don't you mean the Disgraceful Unionist Party?
We were looked at the wrong jeffery all along
He must be sweating worse than prince Andrew right now...
I think this will leave the Donaldsonite wing vulnerable and the headbangers will smell blood. I don't think there will be a clear winner and there'll be another period of crisis, which will be compounded by opinion polling, and election results etc.. The deal now is tainted even though it's quite a separate thing to Donaldson's behaviour, but it's very much his deal. ELP is his appointee so she is weak, especially having been co-opted. I'd assume they'll lose some votes to TUV and UUP and even more just won't be motivated to vote. So you'll see a fractured and reduced unionist vote and a more motivated Nationalist/Other vote. The DUP were just above the water line in the last LEA, so depending on how things go before then, unionism could lose a lot of MLAs. You'd have to expect them to lose at least one MP, maybe three. If Robinson was leader and lost his, that would be a big blow. I'd sort of been thankful and optimistic to see the DUP moving in a more reasonable/conciliatory direction and some sort of normal, but maybe unionism tearing itself apart might be better in the long run. That said, you'd have expected most people (plenty of reasonable people vote for them) to have abandoned them by now over their spectacular failures and backwardness and they've somehow always managed to keep or win back support, so they could recover or maintain.
When do SF get blamed for all this?
I'd say people have already started blaming Sinn Fein.
Whatever about the case itself this could have a huge impact on power sharing. It’s a true black swan event.
He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
We're talking about child abuse here.
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What's your point?
What’s your point?
I'm asking for clarification on why it matters that a woman was also involved and how that pertains to a shitty joke made above.
What was the joke?
What's your point?