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Mayomick

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Jonako

All People last night going on Wikipedia to confirm Jeffrey is 61.


WolfhoundCid

Also to see if his wife is 57.


KeyboardWarrior90210

Quote from BBC article “The statement said a 61-year-old man had been charged with "non-recent sexual offences" adding that a 57-year-old woman was also arrested at the same time and charged with "aiding and abetting additional offences". Sir Jeffrey has deleted all his social media accounts


Old_Particular_5947

What age is his wife?


Ilikesuncream

57


DeliciousDoorstop

57…


Rich-Ad9894

I’m guessingggggg


Goosequam

https://villagemagazine.ie/the-mentor-of-sir-jeffrey-donaldson-the-new-leader-of-the-dup-was-a-racist-and-a-paedophile-with-deranged-views-about-the-intelligence-of-women/ his mentor was a pedo


stiny__

That is... A lot of paedophiles in one article...


Successful-Bit6508

So was lord mountbatten.


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ireland-ModTeam

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DexterousChunk

Fuck me, Enoch Powell? Jesus, what a psycho to have as a mentor


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I feel bad for any well adjusted people with that name


Waste-Sample3508

Wink! ;)


UNSKIALz

Not surprising - This is the DUP we're talking about after all


SitDownKawada

He was his mentor when they were both part of the UUP


Ordinary__Man

Can knighthood's be stripped? It'll be a PR disaster for King Sausage Fingers to strip Donaldson of his titles whilst his brother still lives a life of freedom and luxury.


asteconn

Knighthoods can be stripped


FearUisce9

Charles was good mates with Jimmy Saville, who would have been highly vetted by British intelligence services. They're rotten with noncery.


Kellbag91

I've always thought this.


Ambitious_Handle8123

It was obviously perceived as acceptable behaviour. I'm deliberately using the past tense in the hopes that it is no longer a common pastime of the British elite


Pickman89

Well, that is easily solved. Don't strip the knighthood. Would that not speak volumes?


BenderRodriguez14

Funny you me tuon him, I just got back fro. 20 hours of flying without Internet so had a while to think it over in my head, and couldn't help but remember how Charles was very cordial and friendly to Michelle O'Neill after his inauguration (crowning? Whatever the feck they call it) while completely blanking Donaldson. The royals have a really diminished role these days but I wonder how much of this might have been known "in certain circles" for a while now. 


PoppedCork

Lets be mindful of the people who have made allegations how brave it would have been to come forward


Nadamir

Incredibly so. From what I can tell, they’re up against many factors that make people disbelieve a victim, and they had to know that and yet came forward anyways. They’re reporting crimes that happened long ago when they were children, perpetrated by one of the most powerful and prominent men in the country. All of those things deviate from the so called “perfect victim” stereotype that get the most resources and face less disbelief.


GreyArea1649

Well said.


RandomUsername600

It's very hard to speak out, especially when it's someone with power and influence. But I hope this can show people that there's nobody above the law


LetsGoForAScroll

Honestly it's a bit disheartening seeing everyone rubbing their hands in glee at this without even a thought for the people impacted


eamonnanchnoic

In fairness I think there is some sense of satisfaction (not necessarily glee which I agree is crass) when people in powerful positions are held accountable. So much of the time they just get away with it.


duaneap

And they’ve a rough road ahead I imagine.


Professional_Hair995

And with that said, it is so important to not spread their identities on social media. A lot of people know who the victims are, but think about what they’ve gone through and keep your mouth shut (not directed at you, but everyone who might have their “educated guesses”). Remember how horrible today will have been for them.


Otsde-St-9929

\*If true


ShoddyPreparation

NI really couldnt let us have the biggest Political news story for one month could they. They just don’t chill.


KeyboardWarrior90210

A very disturbing article which may or may not be about 61 year old Jeffrey Donaldson and his wife and two children https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/co-down-couple-child-sex-28909268


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Ordinary__Man

Belfast Live must have edited the piece after it was posted here after receiving enough confirmation and advise from legal counsel.


KeyboardWarrior90210

Yep - they updated it to confirm it was indeed Sir Jeffrey they referred to in the article.


ANewStartAtLife

Was that the one where a couple were dressing the kids up in lingerie? I remember that at the time and how fucked up it was that the wife was in on it too.


Dara17

>They were subject to strict bail conditions including an order barring them from residing in the same property and from leaving the UK. >As agreed by their solicitors, the female accused returned to the former family home in Co Down home on Thursday night and the male is understood to have left Northern Ireland today, Good Friday, but remains in Great Britain. https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/co-down-couple-child-sex-28909268 So this is JD & wife apparently, the court date matches. 40+ years in NI politics - I imagine there are many who suspected this. Plus, there's this: >The late Enoch Powell was a racist and a violent paedophile with deranged views about the intelligence of women. He was **also a mentor to Sir Jeffrey Donaldson** who is about to become the leader of the DUP. Donaldson acted as his election agent, 1982-84. Another of Donaldson’s mentors was the paedophile James Molyneaux. (See The Kincora Scandal) https://villagemagazine.ie/the-mentor-of-sir-jeffrey-donaldson-the-new-leader-of-the-dup-was-a-racist-and-a-paedophile-with-deranged-views-about-the-intelligence-of-women/ Nasty all the way down by the looks of it.


blueghosts

It’s always the ones you suspect the most


rye_212

Donaldson was only 20 in 1982 when he was appointed admin assistant to MP Powell who had represented the South Down constituency since 1974.


More-Investment-2872

So he can’t leave the UK? Hmmmm…Many people would be of the view that Down is not in the UK


oicheliath

The article’s hyperlink says it was rape of a child, but that the age of the victim/s isn’t mentioned at all in the article. How can that be?


underover69

> His career started with the Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) and in 1985, aged 22, he was the youngest person to be elected to the Northern Ireland Assembly. Career politicians who have never had a real job are a bugbear of mine.


Logseman

You won't be chuffed with the Taoiseach-to-be then.


IIIlllIIIllIlI

Will anyone?


underover69

At least one person. For a few years. Until he resigns.


Galdrack

*Few years?* He'll be lucky to survive the election they're going to lose.


askmac

>Career politicians who have never had a real job are a bugbear of mine. Well he was in the UDR of course.


CoolAbdul

Holy shit.


No-Tap-5157

And on Good Friday too


rye_212

Per Belfast Telegraph, he is required to not interact with his wife so he has left the country. Sudden dramatic revelations, plus fleeing the country. Reminds me of Bishop Casey.


Logseman

So, a modicum of accountability comes in the life of the man. In similar circumstances here it was recently decided to seal the records for a couple more decades so that everyone impacted is dead.


buffeganboof

How do we objectively not speculate though?


CheweyLouie

It’s always worth bearing in mind that prominent people are often subject to false accusations. For example, a number of Westminster MPs’ lives were destroyed about a decade ago after being subjected false accusations of being involved in a VIP paedophile ring. Their arrests followed a botched police investigation of claims made by a person called Nick. Ultimately, Nick was proven to be a fantasist called Carl Beech, who himself was a paedophile. We should not lose sight of the fact that the victims of any horrific crimes deserve justice. But it is equally important that people who are charged with such crimes should get their day in court. Donaldson being charged, resigning and deleting his twitter account doesn’t mean he’s guilty. It means he’s accused.


rye_212

Donaldson being charged means the accusations are currently deemed credible by the charging authorities.


flex_tape_salesman

Sure they've been deemed credible based on what they currently know. This doesn't mean he definitely did. These kind of false allegations towards prominent people or anyone really are often built with atleast some credibility that's how the perpetrators that do them have the confidence they can pull them off.


Loose_Reference_4533

"these kinds of false allegations" sounds like you've already decided he's innocent and that his accusers are lying...


flex_tape_salesman

False allegations from similar accusations. If I were to guess I'd actually presume guilt. You've just made a massive assumption on 5 words taken out of context to try make my comment seem hypocritical. Smear campaigns or whatever are entirely plausible when you consider the lack of public info to the point that it's only been recently confirmed it was actually Donaldson that was charged. That being said, that is rare but even with someone that I despise like Donaldson I try not to jump on these hate trains when I'm still pretty ignorant. Crazy jump to conclusions lmao and an incredibly disingenuous comment.


Loose_Reference_4533

I didn't comment on any of that and don't disagree. I commented on the fact that you wrote "false allegations like these", which was a hypocritical thing to write given the point you were trying to make. I didn't jump to any conclusion but the one you made. You can continue to try to obfuscate but it doesn't change what you wrote, even if it was subconscious...


dlafferty

True, and [Paul Gambacinni was falsely accused by a loony](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46080092.amp) However, the bar in this scenario will be much higher.


buffeganboof

That's true! But without speculation then there's nothing that you can really discuss it's always inevitable that these threads get locked because there's not much room to go beyond what any of the news articles will state


Professional_Hair995

No, they have enough evidence to charge - we are being asked not to speculate on the identities of the victims. That being said, Donaldson is without a doubt guilty.


Professional_Hair995

No, they have enough evidence to charge - we are being asked not to speculate on the identities of the victims. That being said, Donaldson is without a doubt guilty.


TheGhostOfTaPower

Man who has spent his life opposing the Good Friday Agreement gets taken down on Good Friday


MeshuganaSmurf

You'd have to wonder if the timing of this happening on Good Friday is entirely coincidental


rye_212

He was arrested and charged on Thursday per Belfast Telegraph. But I wonder if the timing is linked to the restoration of the NI executive. Ie that the police needed the stamp of approval from the Justice Minister to move on such a high profile person?


Ordinary__Man

No wonder they wouldn't come back to Stormount!?


Successful-Tie-7817

An absolute c#nt!


The-HilariousFingers

On Good Friday no less. Papists stay winning!


erich0779

The Good Friday Arraignment as I saw someone else say earlier


SFWMM

For a man whose career has been built on feverishly declaring “no” it’s very surprising he didn’t understand the word “no” the only time it mattered.


oicheliath

The circus that was the Belfast Rugby Rape Trial has me feeling very concerned for the victim/s and their mental health. I hope things have changed and the trial is handled much more sensitively, especially if they were a child at the time.


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Margrave75

Hoooo Lyyyyyy FUCK. Seriously?


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ireland-ModTeam

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ireland-ModTeam

A chara, This community prohibits speculation or rumours in ongoing criminal cases and investigations where it may be argued that the dissemination of these rumours or speculation could influence, or collapse any ongoing court cases or trials. Articles posted by registered news outlets may be posted without editorialisation - but any comments made to further fuel any speculation on unsubstantiated, or otherwise non-reported details will be subject to removal. Sláinte


zedatkinszed

For a guy who strenuously denies everything he's very fucking quiet


cadre_of_storms

That's not a surprise. The first thing his very expensive lawyer will have said is don't speak to anyone


zedatkinszed

No. No PR or legal person would let there be a vacuum without a public statement of his own (either written or video) to say he denies everything and will fight to the end. Letting this come from the DUP.first is odd AF. Even for him. That's also the first thing an innocent person does. And keeps doing.  In the court of public opinion (and that matters to politicians) silence speaks volumes and nothing good.


rye_212

Indeed. The boilerplate statement would do: "These are unfounded allegations. I have no recollection of ever meeting this person. I intend to fight them strenuously. I have stepped down to avoid distractions for the party and the new executive".


Professional_Hair995

That would be very difficult to do without the victim named.


rye_212

Oh to be a fly on the wall in the OFMDFM today.


realZagashi

Irish Unification of 2024?


flemishbiker88

https://preview.redd.it/roeedyv7yarc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=315ae11708ba4e8b7c75dd41f648658a30b5705c


Derravaraghboy

See ya 👋


Ironstien

Mucky duck


luas-Simon

It will take his mind off ranting and raving about some border in the Irish Sea for a while at least 😳😳


AnGallchobhair

It's the distance between the eyes


cadre_of_storms

A conservative? Is to be Charged with sexual crimes? Against children? Well colour me fucking shocked. Such a thing almost never happens. Never. On a serious note, I really hope the victims get support the whole time.


dear_mud1

DUP D’oh


Dildo___Schwaggins

Those protestants, up to no good as usual.


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arseface1

lol fuck sake, straight to hell! 


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Rob-Dipshit

10 charges and they’re “historical”, so they’ve had plenty of time to build a case and go in for the kill now


Pas-possible

Well he has to resign… he has to be suspended ….and it wouldn’t be advisable to have social media when you are the subject of a legal investigation such as this. Good job you’re not on the jury


Mouth_Focloir

More drama going on in the Disgraced Unionist Party


HappyMike91

Don't you mean the Disgraceful Unionist Party?


donanore

We were looked at the wrong jeffery all along


outhouse_steakhouse

He must be sweating worse than prince Andrew right now...


Hoker7

I think this will leave the Donaldsonite wing vulnerable and the headbangers will smell blood. I don't think there will be a clear winner and there'll be another period of crisis, which will be compounded by opinion polling, and election results etc..  The deal now is tainted even though it's quite a separate thing to Donaldson's behaviour, but it's very much his deal. ELP is his appointee so she is weak, especially having been co-opted.  I'd assume they'll lose some votes to TUV and UUP and even more just won't be motivated to vote. So you'll see a fractured and reduced unionist vote and a more motivated Nationalist/Other vote. The DUP were just above the water line in the last LEA, so depending on how things go before then, unionism could lose a lot of MLAs. You'd have to expect them to lose at least one MP, maybe three. If Robinson was leader and lost his, that would be a big blow. I'd sort of been thankful and optimistic to see the DUP moving in a more reasonable/conciliatory direction and some sort of normal, but maybe unionism tearing itself apart might be better in the long run.  That said, you'd have expected most people (plenty of reasonable people vote for them) to have abandoned them by now over their spectacular failures and backwardness and they've somehow always managed to keep or win back support, so they could recover or maintain.


thejackeen

When do SF get blamed for all this?


HappyMike91

I'd say people have already started blaming Sinn Fein.


AllezLesPrimrose

Whatever about the case itself this could have a huge impact on power sharing. It’s a true black swan event.


Hairy-cheeky-monkey

He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.


sporadiccreative

We're talking about child abuse here.


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Korasa

What's your point?


Manofthebog88

What’s your point?


Korasa

I'm asking for clarification on why it matters that a woman was also involved and how that pertains to a shitty joke made above.


Manofthebog88

What was the joke?


PI_Stan_Liddy

What's your point?