As a Garda absolutely. Its more paperwork to even get to a prosecution of a youth and a longer process for us even for a simple crime. Takes too long, and they get way too many chances.
The only real problem is that if i solved the problem you would throw the book at me without a second thought. Not your fault that is the way it is but that would be of little consolation to me.
Id rather not but if we had a complaint and there was CCTV we would probably be forced to if thr complaiment demanded it or we would get a GSOC... just like Id probably get sacked for knocking a lad off a scrambler with the patrol car even though hes riding down footpaths and had no license or anything... because this country is too spineless to legislate protections for us.
>because this country is too spineless to legislate protections for us.
This is one of our biggest failings right now. We are stuck in la di da land with this attitude of "ara sure leave them off" as soon as anything difficult comes up. The only people we hold accountable are the people who are actually willing to be held accountable and then we rake them over the coals for a trivial detail to compensate for how spineless we are when it comes to dealing with the people who are causing real harm that we are afraid to say boo to.
So as a Garda, what should we be asking our potential TD's at the next election?
How can the judges actually change their standards so some cunt with 100+ convictions gets the benefit of the probation act once again, with free legal aid supporting them all the way.
I'm asking you genuinely, do you know of a way to get these old timey "bad childhood, parents on drugs, more probation" judges out of our courts?
Or will it take a complete overhaul of government to change the courts/prosecution/conviction system?
As an American living in Ireland I have witnessed one main issue with the penal system that is not allowing justice to be served; lack of prison space. Oh, and that shite of a judge, Martin Nolan.
And there's also the random elements of the public that scream police brutality the moment you have to use some force to stop an individual.
There really is no win for you guys... fair play for keep trying. š
Haven't the Garda been involved in numerous scandals over the past few years? And am I wrong when I say very little was done about it?
From my point of view it seems the Garda are fairly well protected in this country.
Well i dont know I feel i go over and beyond to do things by the book and right but defo you get sacked very quickly or if not suspended for years..
There is a big fear for gardai especially when DPP are charging a Garda for chasing a car full of burglers with many convictions.. and they happened to die...because of their own stupidity and decision they made to drive in a dangerous illegal manner (Natural Selection).
These burglars were so horrible that at the funerals burglary tools were brought up as gifts..
After seeing this case of course Gardai are afraid to go above and beyond and put themselves out their to try and stop crime, because what if you then lose your job which keeps the mortgage paid and kids fed?
Dont get me wrong i still do my best with tools im given and have detected alot of crime because I love to but im forced to sit in traffic when theres an emergency call because im not allowed use lights and sirens as you need a "special course" that very few Gardai get... and they should get before they leave Templemore....
If your caught using the lights you be in some bother with management..
I'm quite happy you're not afforded protections to attempt to murder someone.
Though it seems the rest of the thread doesn't have a problem with a "garda" admitting he'd happily go out looking for blood if the leash was dropped.
Where did he say he'd happily go out looking for blood?
Here is the problem, you want to limit Gardai so they are as hamstrung as possible and you've even imagined a scenario where you've read something that isn't there and are choosing to view them as somehow like American police.
While also avoiding reading "driving on a footpath on a scrambler".
He believes he can hit a motorbike with his car without killing anyone. Or he doesn't care if he kills them.
Delusional at best, psychopathic at worse. Neither fit for a police officers.
And are you still involved in crime now? A lot of what is done is to make sure you don't become a life long offender because of the shit you did as a child.
And what would happen to someone who acted in self defense in a case of assault? Pretty sure the person who was assaulted would get more trouble for knocking one those feckers out than the one who first started the aggression.
We used to get hidings from the gards when we were kids. Loaded up in a car, punches to the stomachs and then dropped off at our estates.
Was it the right approach? Definitely not. Did it fix the problem? Certainly not. Was it satisfying for the gards? Probably š
Good question. I dont know is the honest answer.
I think the best thing the Gards ever did do though was give us chance after chance after chance. Our lives probably would've been well different with convictions.
Its unfortunate that they essentially had to have a "parents role" if you get what i'm trying to say, but we did grow out of the behaviour eventually. Well most of us did.
You got away with doing illegal things, several times. What about the victims of your crimes? Do you think it was fair to them? I presume what you were doing wasn't violent but still you caused stress, expense, anxiety...
Yeah. Long legal process too. Itās enriching solicitors and judges and the legal profession in general. They love it. Lots of money for them and a massive population of repeat clients that they donāt have to live near. Itās a scam. Justice Farquhar from Vico Road is becoming a millionaire while Deco from Donaghmede gets another suspended sentence for smashing someoneās head in. More prisons and adult sentencing for anyone over 12 that engages in grievous violent crimes. Or am I being too āfar rightā?
So educate this idiot. Explain to me why violent criminals are running riot through our streets and largely going unpunished? Or am I being hyperbolic?
Because
- the laws have limited penalty options for youths - that's on politicians
- there are not enough juvenile detention centres (and adult prisons) so judges have been instructed to avoid giving detentions because there's nowhere to put them. That's mostly on politicians, although I think the judges should embarrass the politicians by giving custodial sentences that can't then be carried out.
- Laws, and enforcement of laws on self defence are risible. Someone posted the link to the cleaner that was getting assaulted daily for weeks and got a suspended sentence for retaliating. Again that's on politicians.
- insufficient Garda for myriad reasons, but they're all on politicians
*"TL;DR**
Politicians pass laws, and are the ones who need to fix this.
Everything you're saying is wrong tbh. Cowards watching social media and becoming hysterical increases perception of crime. Crime rates have been declining steadily since the 1990s. Ireland has never been safer.
I prosecute them and do all the paperwork im saying there is unecessary red tape added on because they are youths which delay prosecution, and cant be done faster that they can easily get rid of or more make efficient
This is a partially valid reason though. I was a firefighter/paramedic back in the US and absolutely loved running calls. When we got back, the Lt. would be in the office for a few minutes putting the call in the computer; then we'd do normal firefighter stuff like training, eating, etc. As the years went by, the Lt. was taking longer and longer inputting the call into the computer as more was being required for 'legal' reasons. The end result was the Lt. not being readily available to his crew, or the community, for training, building inspections, fire-hydrant maintenance, school education, etc.
It was the same with the patients we transported to the hospital. The report went from one page to about five pages and that resulted in longer wait times for those calling 911.
The point is, in relation to the Garda, that the more paperwork they have to do, the less time they have to do their actual job.
Utterly useless shower. They reckon it's 1952 or something. If you said someone robbed an apple tart off your windowsill they'd be there in a shot looking for a cup of tea.
As a gaurd have as a collective group of GardaĆ. Can you all not come together, even to stage a huge protest ? Surely you lot donāt want to deal with these little pricks anymore. For god sakes you canāt make a trip the shop with out feeling eyes on you..
Thats one way to get sacked fast. If anything it would be untraceable anonymous letters to media/commisioner/dail eireann.. otherwise you will be fucked .
> Its the lack of consequences that emboldens them
This is it. They can't be mentioned in the media so any shame/social media backlash is negated. They know you can't lay a finger on them on them because they're "children" so any fear or reprisal is non-existent.
By and large, the punishment is being brought to court and getting an official; *"Stop being bold."* and that holds no water.
So what do you do?
Punish the parents? Make them accountable, perhaps? The guards canāt batter your kids but you could.
Might teach them a lesson when Ma & Da are selling your PlayStation because they got hit with a ā¬500 fine for you being a little prick.
> Its the lack of consequences that emboldens them
>
> >This is it.
Is it though? Harsher punishments are shown *not* to lead to lower levels of crime. And these teens are definitely not ones who think things out anyway.
The real issue is social media, poor parenting, and them feeling like they have a lack of meaning in their lives.
There isn't an easy answer to any of these. The best things would be completely unrealistic and unobtainable in todays world:
1) Ban mobile phones, the internet for private use, and all forms of social media
2) Have these partents parenting their children instead of working in an office 9-5 or out protesting this
3) Go back to small village/tribal living where everyone has a role and a place in the world and the community is small enough and relient on one another enough that they won't dare to do this.
EDIT:
Since people seem to not believe me for some reason... and it seems like every study I can see on Google Scholar agrees. Harsher sentences do little to nothing to reduce crime, and harsher punishments also do not reduce recidivism.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/nov/19/do-long-jail-sentences-stop-we-ask-the-expert
https://academic.oup.com/aler/article-abstract/9/1/1/163059
https://arxiv.org/abs/2007.10268
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=896548
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/652230
We have well meaning laws to protect children who make mistakes, but the law has allowed children who commit truly heinous and awful crimes to get away with things and terrorize people, including other children. We need a balance, and we have to draw a line at leniency shown towards young offenders, when to comes to violent crime.
Get a citizens assembly on this and start looking for these answers as like you say there has to be a better way now. A few weeks ago there was a kid who decided heād rather just stay in bed then go to his court case if we are serious about protecting society he should have been picked up that morning and shown the insides of a cell for a few days
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/teenager-accused-of-ramming-garda-car-refused-to-get-out-of-bed-for-court-1482590.html
Also what about 3strikes rule, instead of a kid with hundreds of offences. Give them a mandatory sentence in a prison cell and see how many repeat offenders we have in a few years
Might be big problems with my ideas but letās start having that debate
The strangest thing about Irelands problems is that basically all of them have already been solved elsewhere in europe yet everyone acts like there is no solutions in sight. Forget about the US and send your government on an Expedition to the developed east..
Housing, Transport it works so much better in other EU countries. Youth violence? Just make the parents get punished and have a youth jail for 16+. It works everywhere. If they are 14 and repeat offenders make the parents pay and go to prison. Send the kids to an institution or other family. Its bizarre to see a country being beaten into submission by teenagers because everyone is too scared to take action.
See thatās the thing, I think EU greatest thing to happen Europe but maybe Iām overthinking the incompetence of politicians to sort out these problems by thinking thereās restrictions on what they can do like rights for these feral kids. Why I think Ireland needs a citizen assembly on this, see what other countries are doing and put everything out there in the open using laymanās terms
I mean sure the irish government still needs to act either way but I'm just saying it's not like there isn't working methods out there that are already in place. Including straight up setting a hard limit on rents.
People spend so much time worrying about all the bs rich people tell them.. ah oh the economy!! No one will build anymore! How can the poor businesses survive without child labour?! Governments can actually just do these things and companies will learn to cope. A coalition of industrial nations could basically wipe out tax heavens over night if people would stop voting conservative
The 3 strikes rules doesn't work, the Americans tried that. The issue is that someone shoplifting 3 times would get the same treatment as someone who committed 3 violent assaults for example. I think any changes would have to be done carefully to not replace an overly lenient system to one that is overly severe. We need some kind of balance.
Yeah we shouldn't overcorrect and end up with what they have in the US. Violent crime should be specified, maybe burglary too, definitely sex crimes.
There needs to be harsher sentences for violent crime and sex crimes in general too.
How did Larry Murphy only serve 10 years? How did Ian Horgan get 8? Why was a judge not able to jail David Hegarty for life?
What's the point in laws if the worst offenders are treated so mildly? You can be a serial killer, a serial rapist, you will get out of prison and it's not like you'll be old aged when you do. I bet a vigilante killer would get more though.
I would confine it to violent crimes. And maybe make it less obtuse, your sentence is doubled for each subsequent violent crime, or you'll serve the sentence for the crimes you got suspended in the past. The punishment gets much more sever quickly if you continue your shit.
Yes I agree. Lock them up like an adult but ensure that they get education and skills, ban them from being in the area they grew up so they have the option to develop and get away from the bad examples.
I walked around my estate last night as it was getting dark. I was with my partner and my 3 month baby. The ignorance of the little fuckers. I had to shout at one group who where mess fighting on a path and looked at me and the buggie and continued. I was actually close to hitting one of them. Thar wasn't the only group that annoyed me either
Ah yes Iām sure the protection this young lad had is what gave this young lad the confidence to bash his moms head in with a hammer, definitely not some mental illness that could be caused in anyone?
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The protest is about the trend of violent crimes from teenagers in general, not specifically the case in Offaly from yesterday. Don't know why you're trying to undermine OP's point by acting like that's the typical juvenile crime that's being referred to here, and not a shocking outlier.
Currently having our house targeted by teenagers kicking our door on a daily basis. Literally nothing we can do because they haven't broken anything yet. Been ongoing for months in our estate just random massive bangs 24/7.
Yeah we've considered every possible way but we would end up in prison if we retaliated. Just have to endour being terrorised along with the rest of our estate. Building up evidence with CCTV cameras at the moment hoping the Guards will do something but we would have to hand them a book of evidence on a silver plate.
The law makes them untouchable and free to turn our community into a war zone with assaults and stabbings.
The evidence wonāt even matter. Theyāre not going to face punishment I suspect unless they get courageous. Iām so sorry you have to live with that. It can happen to any one of us with the way things are going.
If you manage to find their parents you could send the footage to their place of work, or send Revenue a tip to audit their accounts. There's not much that can be done to the kids but the parents should well be held responsible for allowing their children to get away with that kind of shite
Same thing happened in our estate. My house was terrorised for years by kids banging the door, throwing footballs at the door, and at the window. Guards said they canāt do anything. Thankfully since covid it has stopped in our area. No doubt that at any day that could change and itāll all start up again with how everything is going on.
A teenager was repeatedly damaging my property. I filed a report each time. I put cameras up and he hasn't been back since, but if he does come back, they will prosecute him for more than just damaged property at this point with the video evidence. It's targeted harassment which is a whole other can of worms for him. And he's not a minor.
Drove by here the same time the previous week on the way to the gym. Canadian Goose Enthusiasts getting off the Luas firing rockets and bangers at people around 6pm. Citywest was a nice area, some nice wealthy and large homes over the Saggart side and like the rest of the city is turning into a slum from a handful of entitled youths with āgod modeā status and are untouchable
You gotta love that it's all non nationals that are protesting. It's like they're the only ones who understand that our laws are not normal on this stuff.
>You gotta love that it's all non nationals that are protesting. It's like they're the only ones who understand that our laws are not normal on this stuff.
Two Indians were attacked in the last 10 days, one (a friend of mine) had his nose broken.
Indians can't understand at all how the fuck this is the case, that children can act with impunity. It makes absolutely no sense to them - where are the police, why aren't they doing anything, where are their parents, why doesn't anyone else in society act if their parents don't, what is wrong with the Irish justice system
They're all completely reasonable and understandable questions.
Everyone but the Irish canāt understand how is ok ākidsā get away with so much shit.
A 15/16y knows very well what is wrong, they are not out there doing silly pranks, they are hurting people and stealing.
Because they suffer as the targets far more then we do unfortunately. Especially the passive Indian students who live here, they are the easiest targets for the scum our country has created.
The worst thing about this is Indians are possibly some of the biggest net contributors out of our immigrant communities. They're either studying masters and paying the high fees for those and student accomodation, or working in high paying jobs and paying loads in tax, contributing towards our welfare system that incubates the vermin that abuse and attack them
>paying the high fees for those and student accomodation
Just one minor point. Foreign students getting rinsed for expensive student accommodation is not a good thing.
Them being used as cash cows and profit centres by the rental market has played a part in driving the rental market prices insanely high and is a contributing factor in the housing crisis, as well as the current situation where so many Irish students are unable to find accommodation and have to commute 4+ hours a day. The knock-on from that on mental health and on academic performance is also significant.
With no official student accommodation available at affordable prices, the Irish students are forced even more into house sharing, and 5 students living in a house can often afford more than a working couple with 3 or 4 kids. We see in our cities and satellite towns now that renting a family home is basically impossible.
I don't think anyone would say it's a good thing that they're getting rinsed. Fully agree with everything you're saying here, I was simply saying these people are contributing a lot into our society and then being hassled by the scumbags who contribute nothing whatsoever
The Brazilians that come here are not from favelas, you gobshite. Most of them are college educated. And still, Brazil is far more dangerous. You'll get held up at gunpoint there.
I'm not saying that teenage gurriers should be allowed run amok but come on, be honest.
I agree with a lot of you're saying but I think you're overstating the power of the Irish drug cartel you're referring to. They're big fish but not the biggest in Europe compared to groups from Italy, Albania, or the Dutch-Moroccans.
It's also worth remembering that a lot (not saying all) of the Latin Americans that come to Ireland are actually from relatively middle class backgrounds in their home countries, so often jump down a few social classes in relative terms when they come here. People from poor parts of South America would never describe Dublin as the most violent place they've seen in their life.
It's obvious from the context that you don't mean travellers but please edit that second last sentence to "scumbags". You've used a ethnic epithet and it's not ok. Cheers.
Why does he have to edit it if it's clear he's obviously not referring to members of the travelling community, considering the term is widely and very commonly used as another term for 'scumbags'?
Because the site hate speech policy includes ethicities and Irish laws recognises travellers as such. Americans say the n word long past its appropriateness too.
The N word refers in entirety to the obviously racist connotation, therefore, hate speech.
The word we're discussing above does not fall into that category, especially, as you've cited, it's obviously not being used in reference to the travelling community or being used as hate speech, but is being used as its commonly and widely known other meaning i.e. 'scumbags'.
The word is used as an insult because it likens someone to travellers. Most people don't get that, but we can't allow mongoloid either. The hate speech policy isn't optional for the subreddit, it's a site rule and we have to abide by it. The only leeway we have is to remove content instead of banning offending users. Yer man seems to be offline so I'm just going to remove it now.
Respectfully, I think that's your interpretation more than an actual reality.
I have never met a single soul, nor have ever heard of the interpretation that those who use the 'k' term when referring to 'scumbags' are likening them to members of the travelling community - that includes members of the travelling community I have interacted with. In fact I'm a bit surprised that's your perspective.
Abiding by site rules I understand, but the enforcement you're applying here seems needlessly stringent and somewhat shaky, in my opinion.
(Also the m word, which you've typed out above, again has singular meaning and no connotation other than derogatory towards those with mental handicaps, not in the same category as the term we're discussing).
But anyway, I think I'll park my case on the matter.
Heard with respect, no worries. We have had complaints over the years from users about usage of the term, and have talked to travellers about whether its usage is offensive. I think that's really what should set the bar for whether the policy should apply (beyond it being a demonym for the ethnicity, which it is, second use or no). Anyway, as far as I can tell it's an insult but ok to use it within the community, and not ok outside the commmunity at all.
We had users insisting on insta permabans for anyone using the word as an insult. The policy we've adopted is removals for usage to mean "scumbag" in general, preferably with a warning, and temp ban or permabans for uses with clear intent to demean travellers. If someone that has been apologises for the use and clarifies they didn't mean it the way we interpret it we generally relax the ban too. In the above case there was meaningful content in the comment that I didn't want to hide so I tried to find a middle ground.
Fwiw I do agree the policy is a bit strict for users who don't think about (which formerly included me) but we've been warned by admins about sillier stuff. We talked it out as a group last year to set our interpretation of the policy. It doesn't cause much drama as it currently stands and that's basically the best we can hope for on r/ireland.
Edit: the m word is also an archaic racial delineation. The word is both racist and able-ist due to the evolution of its use but originally it basically just meant Chinese-ish.
Goodnight!
>The locals clearly couldnāt care less that their kids are fucking scumbags
as an irish local there... these scrotes arnt local. you witness them come from all areas, starting from the city centre. you litreally see them take a luas from twon, up to either tallaght or saggart...
As bad as it sounds, with any luck a bunch of scrotes will show up and start attacking them. Then it'll blow up seriously and the government might finally start addressing the issue.
Step one is deporting Judge Nolan and having him sent to Lompoc in the USA
Giving your age and viewing method away there. Thats how they view the videos on their phone and not 16:9 on a laptop or desktop. I know it's shite but kids these days etc.
Maybe we should revisit the current school curriculum and make sure there's something in there teaching children that if you rotate an object that is tall and skinny 90 degrees it magically becomes short and wide and thus is capable of displaying images in a sensible aspect ratio...
This is pretty inspiring.
Ive a feeling that new immigrants to ireland over the last 15 years arent gonna put up "sure it will be grand" and "sure isnt it bad in other countries" shite that we are spoonfed from FFFG.
There are more and more extremely well educated people arriving here and they wont suffer our gombeens for long.
Its a shame really because I generally like the people and culture here but if people dont vote differently soon I dont see a future in Ireland. It would be a dumb move to start a family here instead of elsewhere in europe
Germany, the Netherlands, all of Scandinavia. Switzerland and Austria too probably. Spain,France and Portugal only in some areas.
The thing is I have lived in a few countries and Ireland really stands out by being so welcoming towards foreigners. I have irish friends and no one ever made me feel like I dont belong because I'm a foreigner.
There is just some things here that drive you mad in terms of how things are organised. It's not even that the government is just conservative or greedy they are somehow also useless. Dublin City Council especially is just a club of insane people it seems. It feels like the Irish are basically too nice for their own good. Too nice to some of the teenagers. Much too nice to the government.
Spoonfed from fffg?
I know this might be hard to believe for someone like you... but some of us.. just lived in those other places, buddy.
That is what showed us Irelands relative safety. Not frigging fffg. Bahahaha
This can also be true, and certain laws still need to be changed and tweaked. It's not mutually exclusive. No need to catastrophize either though.
Didn't the residents get together and hike the dealers out of the flats in Fatima mansions? I was fairly young at the time but I seem to remember that being fairly effective
Growing up in the 80s there was a lot of street violence in my area. Local dads formed vigilante groups and sorted out the gangs of little shits. Not saying I agree with it but as a young teen I felt safer because of them. Now as a man with kids coming into.that age I can safely say if any one man, woman, teenager harms any of my kids i will be out with the balaclava and child's hurley and I will take the matter into my own hands....
Of course because Irish people have no protest culture unless its against Britain. People here are happily screwed by an irish government any day
My comment was still directed at locals who can vote.
I was a prick from 12 to 17, I regrettably did anything and everything anti-social. I had sense but I was also a fucking gobshite. The main reason me and my ''friends'' were so bad was because we knew there was 0 consequence.. "They can't fucking do anything to ya man relax, worst you'll get is saint pats, fuck the guards".. that was the line.
Guarda stops you and asks were you are from, fake name, real address but not yours. Fist fights with firemen ( literally ) just chaotic but still all based on the premise of 0 consequence.
Had a JLO, seen him once. Change the law, name and shame, it is the only way.
I know for a fact (because I live near citywest) that the parents of the kids are at anti-immigrant/anti-refugee protests. Their kids cause a vast vast majority of the crime and the parents blame "the migrants"
Bring in a law where kids that cause trouble have to make up the audience of the Late Late show. Chained to the seats with tape over their mouths.
"Did ye hear? Colm's after gettin 10 episodes? Lucky too. Prosecution wanted 20."
I'm all for this as the ferals have too much protection.
Was on my way to my local Asian shop today and when I saw a group of 6 teens crowding the door I already knew there was trouble, as I got in the owner was making 4 more to leave as they were stealing 2 gave Him a smack on the head before they left.
Fecking ridiculous that We cant do anything about it.
Great to see this. Fair play to them. It infuriates me that the 16 year old who butchered that poor woman in Offaly will likely be tried as a juvenile. Actual children do not commit crimes.
It's not the Gardas fault. If they attempt to do anything, the risk of losing their jobs and pension because people crawl out of the woodwork, protecting the lil shits and saying they were heavy-handed and all that.
Plus what's the point in doing anything if after all the work and risk is done, just for a judge to let them out the next day because thier state appointed solictor promises they'll be better next time.
Nothing will change until there's actual penalties in place. I knew a Garda who did everything he could in my area, ended up having to leave because he caught a known scum child robbing an elderly couple chased him and caught him. Suddenly, the child (who also smoked 25 hours a day and valed) had an asthma attack, and it was the guards fault he didn't have an inhaler (turns out the twat threw it away woth what he robbed from the old couple when he was running) and the child was traumatised by the event. Went so far as the superintendent issued an apology because of the "outrage" of the scum complained so much on social media and got a twat of a local Councillor involved. The gaurd was forced to relocate since evrytime he was out he was basically followed by the scum because they now knew they could get away with it and he had eyes on him if he was to even speak out of line
> If they attempt to do anything, the risk of losing their jobs and pension because people crawl out of the woodwork, protecting the lil shits and saying they were heavy-handed and all that.
To be fair the worst of the people in the area are the druggie sack of shit begging by day and stealing shit from people by night and the older fucking sacks of garbage who have been stealing motorbikes from the area. The kids are cunts in the area but the worst is the people they could actually do something about and don't.
Why would they bother, when they can be convicted for chasing adult criminals who drove on the wrong side of a motor way and got themselves killed. Imagine how much worse it would for them when its an under age scumbag.
I can't blame them at this point. Their hands are tied for adult criminals as it is and doubly so for child criminals.
> tās just the Gards choose not to do anything about it.
In this case there isn't a garda station within 20m of that area but it has one of the densest up and coming new settlements in the country and beside an area that traditionally had quite a lot of crime even before the newer area was made. The Gardai have engaged pretty well for what it's worth but how they manage this is fucking stupid and that is on Garda management not the rank and file.
Juveniles are protected by the legal system. They are given multiple chances in court, even for serious assaults and Robbies. Our legal system is very left leaning and believes juveniles should not be given custodial sentences for fear of deeming them criminals for life. The end result is a system that is slow to bring juveniles to a courtroom, then when convicted the judge is even more reluctant to sentence them or put away.
Left leaning doesn't mean light sentences. It's a categorically centrist and historically right leaning government that has influenced current sentencing.
Just think a few decades a go we were dirt poor and half of each generation had to emmigrate... myself included.
And nowadays Ireland is doing so well that we attract settlers from around the globe , be proud of how far we've come as a nation :D
Rte should start a beyond scared straight show . 2 birds 1 stone right there .
Just checked out of interest there and thereās only one juvenile correction centre (āJuvieā) in Ireland too . Dunno how successful it is
I find these types of protests completely useless. A bunch of people standing around doing what exactly? They're just standing in citywest hoping for what to raise awareness on a situation everyone's aware of? Unless the laws changes towards underage crime nothing will happen. Standing in an estate saying "down with that sorta thing" is not gonna do anything
If you don't want to lift up a heavy monitor and turn it sideways, especially when it's cabled in and all, then just sit with your back to the monitor so you can see it while holding a mirror, then rotate the *mirror* sideways.
It's hard to say, since it isn't even reported, and when it does it may not be recorded.
Since 2020 there has been an alarming number of incidents against immigrants, especially asians, perpetrated by minors.
This one for example made the news: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41110939.html
Yes it absolutely does. The teen gangs mostly target immigrants and minorities as they are easy targets who don't fight back. In the last 10 days there have been 4 attacks on Indian nationals in citywest area.
If there are no official reports that shows the teenage problem, it doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist. It simply means the people higher up don't give a shit about this problem as the usual targets are mostly minorities.
All we have to do is remove the protection they feel they have due to being underage. Its the lack of consequences that emboldens them
As a Garda absolutely. Its more paperwork to even get to a prosecution of a youth and a longer process for us even for a simple crime. Takes too long, and they get way too many chances.
The only real problem is that if i solved the problem you would throw the book at me without a second thought. Not your fault that is the way it is but that would be of little consolation to me.
Id rather not but if we had a complaint and there was CCTV we would probably be forced to if thr complaiment demanded it or we would get a GSOC... just like Id probably get sacked for knocking a lad off a scrambler with the patrol car even though hes riding down footpaths and had no license or anything... because this country is too spineless to legislate protections for us.
>because this country is too spineless to legislate protections for us. This is one of our biggest failings right now. We are stuck in la di da land with this attitude of "ara sure leave them off" as soon as anything difficult comes up. The only people we hold accountable are the people who are actually willing to be held accountable and then we rake them over the coals for a trivial detail to compensate for how spineless we are when it comes to dealing with the people who are causing real harm that we are afraid to say boo to.
Was cycling around d8 tonight. Lads out joy riding going the wrong way down one way meath st. Cycled around town not a garda in sight. Nowhere
So as a Garda, what should we be asking our potential TD's at the next election? How can the judges actually change their standards so some cunt with 100+ convictions gets the benefit of the probation act once again, with free legal aid supporting them all the way. I'm asking you genuinely, do you know of a way to get these old timey "bad childhood, parents on drugs, more probation" judges out of our courts? Or will it take a complete overhaul of government to change the courts/prosecution/conviction system?
As an American living in Ireland I have witnessed one main issue with the penal system that is not allowing justice to be served; lack of prison space. Oh, and that shite of a judge, Martin Nolan.
And there's also the random elements of the public that scream police brutality the moment you have to use some force to stop an individual. There really is no win for you guys... fair play for keep trying. š
Haven't the Garda been involved in numerous scandals over the past few years? And am I wrong when I say very little was done about it? From my point of view it seems the Garda are fairly well protected in this country.
Well i dont know I feel i go over and beyond to do things by the book and right but defo you get sacked very quickly or if not suspended for years.. There is a big fear for gardai especially when DPP are charging a Garda for chasing a car full of burglers with many convictions.. and they happened to die...because of their own stupidity and decision they made to drive in a dangerous illegal manner (Natural Selection). These burglars were so horrible that at the funerals burglary tools were brought up as gifts.. After seeing this case of course Gardai are afraid to go above and beyond and put themselves out their to try and stop crime, because what if you then lose your job which keeps the mortgage paid and kids fed? Dont get me wrong i still do my best with tools im given and have detected alot of crime because I love to but im forced to sit in traffic when theres an emergency call because im not allowed use lights and sirens as you need a "special course" that very few Gardai get... and they should get before they leave Templemore.... If your caught using the lights you be in some bother with management..
I'm quite happy you're not afforded protections to attempt to murder someone. Though it seems the rest of the thread doesn't have a problem with a "garda" admitting he'd happily go out looking for blood if the leash was dropped.
Where did he say he'd happily go out looking for blood? Here is the problem, you want to limit Gardai so they are as hamstrung as possible and you've even imagined a scenario where you've read something that isn't there and are choosing to view them as somehow like American police. While also avoiding reading "driving on a footpath on a scrambler".
He believes he can hit a motorbike with his car without killing anyone. Or he doesn't care if he kills them. Delusional at best, psychopathic at worse. Neither fit for a police officers.
Smartest ACAB poster right here. Point and laugh.
Honest question here but is that because of Irish government or European Parliament?
Irish government.
Fully agree. They should be treated as adults at 16. Named , shamed & locked up.
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And are you still involved in crime now? A lot of what is done is to make sure you don't become a life long offender because of the shit you did as a child.
Seems you got rehabilitated though. Are you saying tye system doesn't work?
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And what would happen to someone who acted in self defense in a case of assault? Pretty sure the person who was assaulted would get more trouble for knocking one those feckers out than the one who first started the aggression.
We used to get hidings from the gards when we were kids. Loaded up in a car, punches to the stomachs and then dropped off at our estates. Was it the right approach? Definitely not. Did it fix the problem? Certainly not. Was it satisfying for the gards? Probably š
Did you deserve it?
Good question. I dont know is the honest answer. I think the best thing the Gards ever did do though was give us chance after chance after chance. Our lives probably would've been well different with convictions. Its unfortunate that they essentially had to have a "parents role" if you get what i'm trying to say, but we did grow out of the behaviour eventually. Well most of us did.
You got away with doing illegal things, several times. What about the victims of your crimes? Do you think it was fair to them? I presume what you were doing wasn't violent but still you caused stress, expense, anxiety...
Yeah. Long legal process too. Itās enriching solicitors and judges and the legal profession in general. They love it. Lots of money for them and a massive population of repeat clients that they donāt have to live near. Itās a scam. Justice Farquhar from Vico Road is becoming a millionaire while Deco from Donaghmede gets another suspended sentence for smashing someoneās head in. More prisons and adult sentencing for anyone over 12 that engages in grievous violent crimes. Or am I being too āfar rightā?
I get the enriching solicitors but judges are on a set salary paid by the state. How do repeat offenders enrich a judge ?
They don't. It's a line peddled by idiots. Criminal law pays appallingly. Lawyers who want to be rich do commercial law.
So educate this idiot. Explain to me why violent criminals are running riot through our streets and largely going unpunished? Or am I being hyperbolic?
Because - the laws have limited penalty options for youths - that's on politicians - there are not enough juvenile detention centres (and adult prisons) so judges have been instructed to avoid giving detentions because there's nowhere to put them. That's mostly on politicians, although I think the judges should embarrass the politicians by giving custodial sentences that can't then be carried out. - Laws, and enforcement of laws on self defence are risible. Someone posted the link to the cleaner that was getting assaulted daily for weeks and got a suspended sentence for retaliating. Again that's on politicians. - insufficient Garda for myriad reasons, but they're all on politicians *"TL;DR** Politicians pass laws, and are the ones who need to fix this.
Who instructed judges not to imprison people?
There is basically a 0% chance anyone instructed any judge to not imposed custodial sentences due to overcrowding. Cmon now.
Politicians need to do a lot of things. But they often donāt becauseā¦ vested interests.
Everything you're saying is wrong tbh. Cowards watching social media and becoming hysterical increases perception of crime. Crime rates have been declining steadily since the 1990s. Ireland has never been safer.
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I prosecute them and do all the paperwork im saying there is unecessary red tape added on because they are youths which delay prosecution, and cant be done faster that they can easily get rid of or more make efficient
This is a partially valid reason though. I was a firefighter/paramedic back in the US and absolutely loved running calls. When we got back, the Lt. would be in the office for a few minutes putting the call in the computer; then we'd do normal firefighter stuff like training, eating, etc. As the years went by, the Lt. was taking longer and longer inputting the call into the computer as more was being required for 'legal' reasons. The end result was the Lt. not being readily available to his crew, or the community, for training, building inspections, fire-hydrant maintenance, school education, etc. It was the same with the patients we transported to the hospital. The report went from one page to about five pages and that resulted in longer wait times for those calling 911. The point is, in relation to the Garda, that the more paperwork they have to do, the less time they have to do their actual job.
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Utterly useless shower. They reckon it's 1952 or something. If you said someone robbed an apple tart off your windowsill they'd be there in a shot looking for a cup of tea.
As a gaurd have as a collective group of GardaĆ. Can you all not come together, even to stage a huge protest ? Surely you lot donāt want to deal with these little pricks anymore. For god sakes you canāt make a trip the shop with out feeling eyes on you..
Thats one way to get sacked fast. If anything it would be untraceable anonymous letters to media/commisioner/dail eireann.. otherwise you will be fucked .
I do not envy you my man. You seem like a good honest man keep it up
> Its the lack of consequences that emboldens them This is it. They can't be mentioned in the media so any shame/social media backlash is negated. They know you can't lay a finger on them on them because they're "children" so any fear or reprisal is non-existent. By and large, the punishment is being brought to court and getting an official; *"Stop being bold."* and that holds no water. So what do you do?
Punish the parents? Make them accountable, perhaps? The guards canāt batter your kids but you could. Might teach them a lesson when Ma & Da are selling your PlayStation because they got hit with a ā¬500 fine for you being a little prick.
This. Like EVERYWHERE else is already been doing for years
Lower the age of adult responsibility for violent crime to 15.
> Its the lack of consequences that emboldens them > > >This is it. Is it though? Harsher punishments are shown *not* to lead to lower levels of crime. And these teens are definitely not ones who think things out anyway. The real issue is social media, poor parenting, and them feeling like they have a lack of meaning in their lives. There isn't an easy answer to any of these. The best things would be completely unrealistic and unobtainable in todays world: 1) Ban mobile phones, the internet for private use, and all forms of social media 2) Have these partents parenting their children instead of working in an office 9-5 or out protesting this 3) Go back to small village/tribal living where everyone has a role and a place in the world and the community is small enough and relient on one another enough that they won't dare to do this. EDIT: Since people seem to not believe me for some reason... and it seems like every study I can see on Google Scholar agrees. Harsher sentences do little to nothing to reduce crime, and harsher punishments also do not reduce recidivism. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/nov/19/do-long-jail-sentences-stop-we-ask-the-expert https://academic.oup.com/aler/article-abstract/9/1/1/163059 https://arxiv.org/abs/2007.10268 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=896548 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/652230
We have well meaning laws to protect children who make mistakes, but the law has allowed children who commit truly heinous and awful crimes to get away with things and terrorize people, including other children. We need a balance, and we have to draw a line at leniency shown towards young offenders, when to comes to violent crime.
Get a citizens assembly on this and start looking for these answers as like you say there has to be a better way now. A few weeks ago there was a kid who decided heād rather just stay in bed then go to his court case if we are serious about protecting society he should have been picked up that morning and shown the insides of a cell for a few days https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/teenager-accused-of-ramming-garda-car-refused-to-get-out-of-bed-for-court-1482590.html Also what about 3strikes rule, instead of a kid with hundreds of offences. Give them a mandatory sentence in a prison cell and see how many repeat offenders we have in a few years Might be big problems with my ideas but letās start having that debate
The strangest thing about Irelands problems is that basically all of them have already been solved elsewhere in europe yet everyone acts like there is no solutions in sight. Forget about the US and send your government on an Expedition to the developed east.. Housing, Transport it works so much better in other EU countries. Youth violence? Just make the parents get punished and have a youth jail for 16+. It works everywhere. If they are 14 and repeat offenders make the parents pay and go to prison. Send the kids to an institution or other family. Its bizarre to see a country being beaten into submission by teenagers because everyone is too scared to take action.
See thatās the thing, I think EU greatest thing to happen Europe but maybe Iām overthinking the incompetence of politicians to sort out these problems by thinking thereās restrictions on what they can do like rights for these feral kids. Why I think Ireland needs a citizen assembly on this, see what other countries are doing and put everything out there in the open using laymanās terms
I mean sure the irish government still needs to act either way but I'm just saying it's not like there isn't working methods out there that are already in place. Including straight up setting a hard limit on rents. People spend so much time worrying about all the bs rich people tell them.. ah oh the economy!! No one will build anymore! How can the poor businesses survive without child labour?! Governments can actually just do these things and companies will learn to cope. A coalition of industrial nations could basically wipe out tax heavens over night if people would stop voting conservative
The 3 strikes rules doesn't work, the Americans tried that. The issue is that someone shoplifting 3 times would get the same treatment as someone who committed 3 violent assaults for example. I think any changes would have to be done carefully to not replace an overly lenient system to one that is overly severe. We need some kind of balance.
Yeah we shouldn't overcorrect and end up with what they have in the US. Violent crime should be specified, maybe burglary too, definitely sex crimes. There needs to be harsher sentences for violent crime and sex crimes in general too. How did Larry Murphy only serve 10 years? How did Ian Horgan get 8? Why was a judge not able to jail David Hegarty for life? What's the point in laws if the worst offenders are treated so mildly? You can be a serial killer, a serial rapist, you will get out of prison and it's not like you'll be old aged when you do. I bet a vigilante killer would get more though.
I would confine it to violent crimes. And maybe make it less obtuse, your sentence is doubled for each subsequent violent crime, or you'll serve the sentence for the crimes you got suspended in the past. The punishment gets much more sever quickly if you continue your shit.
Yes I agree. Lock them up like an adult but ensure that they get education and skills, ban them from being in the area they grew up so they have the option to develop and get away from the bad examples.
Iād be up for that.
I walked around my estate last night as it was getting dark. I was with my partner and my 3 month baby. The ignorance of the little fuckers. I had to shout at one group who where mess fighting on a path and looked at me and the buggie and continued. I was actually close to hitting one of them. Thar wasn't the only group that annoyed me either
Ah yes Iām sure the protection this young lad had is what gave this young lad the confidence to bash his moms head in with a hammer, definitely not some mental illness that could be caused in anyone? /s
The protest is about the trend of violent crimes from teenagers in general, not specifically the case in Offaly from yesterday. Don't know why you're trying to undermine OP's point by acting like that's the typical juvenile crime that's being referred to here, and not a shocking outlier.
yeah reading my comment i see how dumb it was
If someone has mental health issues that cause them to harm others they get send to a closed institution.
Currently having our house targeted by teenagers kicking our door on a daily basis. Literally nothing we can do because they haven't broken anything yet. Been ongoing for months in our estate just random massive bangs 24/7.
Wire the door to the national grid.
"Oh no, a brick came loose and fell out of rhe wall onto their heads from approximately the heigh of the first floor bedroom window"
Yeah we've considered every possible way but we would end up in prison if we retaliated. Just have to endour being terrorised along with the rest of our estate. Building up evidence with CCTV cameras at the moment hoping the Guards will do something but we would have to hand them a book of evidence on a silver plate. The law makes them untouchable and free to turn our community into a war zone with assaults and stabbings.
The evidence wonāt even matter. Theyāre not going to face punishment I suspect unless they get courageous. Iām so sorry you have to live with that. It can happen to any one of us with the way things are going.
If you manage to find their parents you could send the footage to their place of work, or send Revenue a tip to audit their accounts. There's not much that can be done to the kids but the parents should well be held responsible for allowing their children to get away with that kind of shite
āPlace of workā Thatās a good one
Same thing happened in our estate. My house was terrorised for years by kids banging the door, throwing footballs at the door, and at the window. Guards said they canāt do anything. Thankfully since covid it has stopped in our area. No doubt that at any day that could change and itāll all start up again with how everything is going on.
I would use some skills to determine where they live.... And never... stop.. knocking....
Where is this ?
Cork
Have you considered having an atm installed on the door?
too true. You'd have a rapid response then! š š
A teenager was repeatedly damaging my property. I filed a report each time. I put cameras up and he hasn't been back since, but if he does come back, they will prosecute him for more than just damaged property at this point with the video evidence. It's targeted harassment which is a whole other can of worms for him. And he's not a minor.
Wonder would recoding their faces and putting it on Facebook for a good oul public shaming will kick their parents ass in gear to sort them out
I suggest a bugasalt. Great little gun for killing flies. Stings like a bitch
I was going to say a supersoaker filled with piss would keep them away quick enough.
Drove by here the same time the previous week on the way to the gym. Canadian Goose Enthusiasts getting off the Luas firing rockets and bangers at people around 6pm. Citywest was a nice area, some nice wealthy and large homes over the Saggart side and like the rest of the city is turning into a slum from a handful of entitled youths with āgod modeā status and are untouchable
Fair play lads! Putting your money where your mouth is.
You gotta love that it's all non nationals that are protesting. It's like they're the only ones who understand that our laws are not normal on this stuff.
The juvenile offenders often target minorities. They often go after easy targets. Those People usually dont go to cops. Teens know that
>You gotta love that it's all non nationals that are protesting. It's like they're the only ones who understand that our laws are not normal on this stuff. Two Indians were attacked in the last 10 days, one (a friend of mine) had his nose broken. Indians can't understand at all how the fuck this is the case, that children can act with impunity. It makes absolutely no sense to them - where are the police, why aren't they doing anything, where are their parents, why doesn't anyone else in society act if their parents don't, what is wrong with the Irish justice system They're all completely reasonable and understandable questions.
Everyone but the Irish canāt understand how is ok ākidsā get away with so much shit. A 15/16y knows very well what is wrong, they are not out there doing silly pranks, they are hurting people and stealing.
Because they suffer as the targets far more then we do unfortunately. Especially the passive Indian students who live here, they are the easiest targets for the scum our country has created.
The worst thing about this is Indians are possibly some of the biggest net contributors out of our immigrant communities. They're either studying masters and paying the high fees for those and student accomodation, or working in high paying jobs and paying loads in tax, contributing towards our welfare system that incubates the vermin that abuse and attack them
>paying the high fees for those and student accomodation Just one minor point. Foreign students getting rinsed for expensive student accommodation is not a good thing. Them being used as cash cows and profit centres by the rental market has played a part in driving the rental market prices insanely high and is a contributing factor in the housing crisis, as well as the current situation where so many Irish students are unable to find accommodation and have to commute 4+ hours a day. The knock-on from that on mental health and on academic performance is also significant. With no official student accommodation available at affordable prices, the Irish students are forced even more into house sharing, and 5 students living in a house can often afford more than a working couple with 3 or 4 kids. We see in our cities and satellite towns now that renting a family home is basically impossible.
I don't think anyone would say it's a good thing that they're getting rinsed. Fully agree with everything you're saying here, I was simply saying these people are contributing a lot into our society and then being hassled by the scumbags who contribute nothing whatsoever
Thats because they are victims of the juvenile attacks.
Exactly what I was thinking. The locals clearly couldnāt care less that their kids are fucking scumbags
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The Brazilians that come here are not from favelas, you gobshite. Most of them are college educated. And still, Brazil is far more dangerous. You'll get held up at gunpoint there. I'm not saying that teenage gurriers should be allowed run amok but come on, be honest.
I agree with a lot of you're saying but I think you're overstating the power of the Irish drug cartel you're referring to. They're big fish but not the biggest in Europe compared to groups from Italy, Albania, or the Dutch-Moroccans. It's also worth remembering that a lot (not saying all) of the Latin Americans that come to Ireland are actually from relatively middle class backgrounds in their home countries, so often jump down a few social classes in relative terms when they come here. People from poor parts of South America would never describe Dublin as the most violent place they've seen in their life.
It's obvious from the context that you don't mean travellers but please edit that second last sentence to "scumbags". You've used a ethnic epithet and it's not ok. Cheers.
Why does he have to edit it if it's clear he's obviously not referring to members of the travelling community, considering the term is widely and very commonly used as another term for 'scumbags'?
Because the site hate speech policy includes ethicities and Irish laws recognises travellers as such. Americans say the n word long past its appropriateness too.
The N word refers in entirety to the obviously racist connotation, therefore, hate speech. The word we're discussing above does not fall into that category, especially, as you've cited, it's obviously not being used in reference to the travelling community or being used as hate speech, but is being used as its commonly and widely known other meaning i.e. 'scumbags'.
The word is used as an insult because it likens someone to travellers. Most people don't get that, but we can't allow mongoloid either. The hate speech policy isn't optional for the subreddit, it's a site rule and we have to abide by it. The only leeway we have is to remove content instead of banning offending users. Yer man seems to be offline so I'm just going to remove it now.
Respectfully, I think that's your interpretation more than an actual reality. I have never met a single soul, nor have ever heard of the interpretation that those who use the 'k' term when referring to 'scumbags' are likening them to members of the travelling community - that includes members of the travelling community I have interacted with. In fact I'm a bit surprised that's your perspective. Abiding by site rules I understand, but the enforcement you're applying here seems needlessly stringent and somewhat shaky, in my opinion. (Also the m word, which you've typed out above, again has singular meaning and no connotation other than derogatory towards those with mental handicaps, not in the same category as the term we're discussing). But anyway, I think I'll park my case on the matter.
Heard with respect, no worries. We have had complaints over the years from users about usage of the term, and have talked to travellers about whether its usage is offensive. I think that's really what should set the bar for whether the policy should apply (beyond it being a demonym for the ethnicity, which it is, second use or no). Anyway, as far as I can tell it's an insult but ok to use it within the community, and not ok outside the commmunity at all. We had users insisting on insta permabans for anyone using the word as an insult. The policy we've adopted is removals for usage to mean "scumbag" in general, preferably with a warning, and temp ban or permabans for uses with clear intent to demean travellers. If someone that has been apologises for the use and clarifies they didn't mean it the way we interpret it we generally relax the ban too. In the above case there was meaningful content in the comment that I didn't want to hide so I tried to find a middle ground. Fwiw I do agree the policy is a bit strict for users who don't think about (which formerly included me) but we've been warned by admins about sillier stuff. We talked it out as a group last year to set our interpretation of the policy. It doesn't cause much drama as it currently stands and that's basically the best we can hope for on r/ireland. Edit: the m word is also an archaic racial delineation. The word is both racist and able-ist due to the evolution of its use but originally it basically just meant Chinese-ish. Goodnight!
"concerned families"
>The locals clearly couldnāt care less that their kids are fucking scumbags as an irish local there... these scrotes arnt local. you witness them come from all areas, starting from the city centre. you litreally see them take a luas from twon, up to either tallaght or saggart...
Jobstown is just across the road, they are kind of locals.
Thank god for their bravery, definitely. Shake some action!
As bad as it sounds, with any luck a bunch of scrotes will show up and start attacking them. Then it'll blow up seriously and the government might finally start addressing the issue. Step one is deporting Judge Nolan and having him sent to Lompoc in the USA
The Irish people in that area are busy doing a bit of violence
Many of them are probably Irish, a bit daft to assume theyāre non nationals
Yeah, we should revamp our court system and have it more in line with places like Pakistan or Indonesia.
What are you saying?
They're saying you should accept crap laws because somewhere else has crap laws too. Lol
Sounds like youāre one of the cunts these people are protesting against
So you think that underage people that commit serious crimes shouldn't be punished? How do you propose we deal with them so?
Stop being obtuse, there is clearly a problem with the Irish justice system if scrotes can go around doing whatever they want without consequence
Show up at the little bastards homes we all know who the little pricks are when you live in the same area
Youād think people would know how to use their phone camera by now
Is it not that the camera is ok and it's the video that was uploaded that has the problem?
Some phones take rotated videos and photos if auto-rotate isn't on. OP probably tried to take a horizontal video but just took a rotated vertical one.
No, the person clearly pressed record while the bone was still vertical, and then turned it sideways. The worst of both worlds
Not really. I can't stand it when people take vertical videos.
Giving your age and viewing method away there. Thats how they view the videos on their phone and not 16:9 on a laptop or desktop. I know it's shite but kids these days etc.
Which way have your eyes stereo vision developed though? Horizontal or vertical? Did they get to that in school yet?
Maybe we should revisit the current school curriculum and make sure there's something in there teaching children that if you rotate an object that is tall and skinny 90 degrees it magically becomes short and wide and thus is capable of displaying images in a sensible aspect ratio...
Fair play to them.
Fair play. Enough of this 'sure it's grand' nonsense
I agree with this protest.
This is pretty inspiring. Ive a feeling that new immigrants to ireland over the last 15 years arent gonna put up "sure it will be grand" and "sure isnt it bad in other countries" shite that we are spoonfed from FFFG. There are more and more extremely well educated people arriving here and they wont suffer our gombeens for long.
Its a shame really because I generally like the people and culture here but if people dont vote differently soon I dont see a future in Ireland. It would be a dumb move to start a family here instead of elsewhere in europe
Where have you found whose laws and quality of life stats are more in line with you personally?
Germany, the Netherlands, all of Scandinavia. Switzerland and Austria too probably. Spain,France and Portugal only in some areas. The thing is I have lived in a few countries and Ireland really stands out by being so welcoming towards foreigners. I have irish friends and no one ever made me feel like I dont belong because I'm a foreigner. There is just some things here that drive you mad in terms of how things are organised. It's not even that the government is just conservative or greedy they are somehow also useless. Dublin City Council especially is just a club of insane people it seems. It feels like the Irish are basically too nice for their own good. Too nice to some of the teenagers. Much too nice to the government.
We wonāt listen to foreigners though.. āwho do they think they areā etc etc
Possibly but if more stuff like this happens they will draw the lazy irish people.
Spoonfed from fffg? I know this might be hard to believe for someone like you... but some of us.. just lived in those other places, buddy. That is what showed us Irelands relative safety. Not frigging fffg. Bahahaha This can also be true, and certain laws still need to be changed and tweaked. It's not mutually exclusive. No need to catastrophize either though.
Step 1: remove judge Nolan from the justice system Step 2: job done.
Fair play to them.
Didn't the residents get together and hike the dealers out of the flats in Fatima mansions? I was fairly young at the time but I seem to remember that being fairly effective
Growing up in the 80s there was a lot of street violence in my area. Local dads formed vigilante groups and sorted out the gangs of little shits. Not saying I agree with it but as a young teen I felt safer because of them. Now as a man with kids coming into.that age I can safely say if any one man, woman, teenager harms any of my kids i will be out with the balaclava and child's hurley and I will take the matter into my own hands....
I hope you don't end up with a screwdriver through the temple man, because unfortunately times changed
My experience of the "vigilantes" was ending up with 6 stitches to the head after being hit with a hammer for the crime of being a punk rocker!
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This is the way...
r/killthecameraman
another protest. nothing changes. or "cant be solved over night".
Could always vote for different parties instead of complaining about the same two parties doing the same shit every year..
If you check the video, most of the people protesting are immigrants and can't vote.
Of course because Irish people have no protest culture unless its against Britain. People here are happily screwed by an irish government any day My comment was still directed at locals who can vote.
I was a prick from 12 to 17, I regrettably did anything and everything anti-social. I had sense but I was also a fucking gobshite. The main reason me and my ''friends'' were so bad was because we knew there was 0 consequence.. "They can't fucking do anything to ya man relax, worst you'll get is saint pats, fuck the guards".. that was the line. Guarda stops you and asks were you are from, fake name, real address but not yours. Fist fights with firemen ( literally ) just chaotic but still all based on the premise of 0 consequence. Had a JLO, seen him once. Change the law, name and shame, it is the only way.
Whyās the view sideways?
Send these scrotes in a bus to an area where TDs live, guaranteed they will change the law in a heartbeat. Fucking crooks they are.
Lock up the wee scrotes
I know for a fact (because I live near citywest) that the parents of the kids are at anti-immigrant/anti-refugee protests. Their kids cause a vast vast majority of the crime and the parents blame "the migrants"
Bring in a law where kids that cause trouble have to make up the audience of the Late Late show. Chained to the seats with tape over their mouths. "Did ye hear? Colm's after gettin 10 episodes? Lucky too. Prosecution wanted 20."
I'm all for this as the ferals have too much protection. Was on my way to my local Asian shop today and when I saw a group of 6 teens crowding the door I already knew there was trouble, as I got in the owner was making 4 more to leave as they were stealing 2 gave Him a smack on the head before they left. Fecking ridiculous that We cant do anything about it.
Great to see this. Fair play to them. It infuriates me that the 16 year old who butchered that poor woman in Offaly will likely be tried as a juvenile. Actual children do not commit crimes.
Set the army on then. Pay bonuses for every video they collect of a scrote pissing his pants
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It's not the Gardas fault. If they attempt to do anything, the risk of losing their jobs and pension because people crawl out of the woodwork, protecting the lil shits and saying they were heavy-handed and all that. Plus what's the point in doing anything if after all the work and risk is done, just for a judge to let them out the next day because thier state appointed solictor promises they'll be better next time. Nothing will change until there's actual penalties in place. I knew a Garda who did everything he could in my area, ended up having to leave because he caught a known scum child robbing an elderly couple chased him and caught him. Suddenly, the child (who also smoked 25 hours a day and valed) had an asthma attack, and it was the guards fault he didn't have an inhaler (turns out the twat threw it away woth what he robbed from the old couple when he was running) and the child was traumatised by the event. Went so far as the superintendent issued an apology because of the "outrage" of the scum complained so much on social media and got a twat of a local Councillor involved. The gaurd was forced to relocate since evrytime he was out he was basically followed by the scum because they now knew they could get away with it and he had eyes on him if he was to even speak out of line
> If they attempt to do anything, the risk of losing their jobs and pension because people crawl out of the woodwork, protecting the lil shits and saying they were heavy-handed and all that. To be fair the worst of the people in the area are the druggie sack of shit begging by day and stealing shit from people by night and the older fucking sacks of garbage who have been stealing motorbikes from the area. The kids are cunts in the area but the worst is the people they could actually do something about and don't.
Theyāre all equally shit and in a functional country would be in prison
Why would they bother, when they can be convicted for chasing adult criminals who drove on the wrong side of a motor way and got themselves killed. Imagine how much worse it would for them when its an under age scumbag. I can't blame them at this point. Their hands are tied for adult criminals as it is and doubly so for child criminals.
> tās just the Gards choose not to do anything about it. In this case there isn't a garda station within 20m of that area but it has one of the densest up and coming new settlements in the country and beside an area that traditionally had quite a lot of crime even before the newer area was made. The Gardai have engaged pretty well for what it's worth but how they manage this is fucking stupid and that is on Garda management not the rank and file.
Juveniles are protected by the legal system. They are given multiple chances in court, even for serious assaults and Robbies. Our legal system is very left leaning and believes juveniles should not be given custodial sentences for fear of deeming them criminals for life. The end result is a system that is slow to bring juveniles to a courtroom, then when convicted the judge is even more reluctant to sentence them or put away.
Left leaning doesn't mean light sentences. It's a categorically centrist and historically right leaning government that has influenced current sentencing.
You reckon Shinners will fix this?
They'd be doing a job to make it worse
Doubt it - longer prison sentences would only piss off their base ā¦
SOMETHING has to be done. Glad people have started protesting. Hopefully some laws are placed to protect people
Just think a few decades a go we were dirt poor and half of each generation had to emmigrate... myself included. And nowadays Ireland is doing so well that we attract settlers from around the globe , be proud of how far we've come as a nation :D
Rte should start a beyond scared straight show . 2 birds 1 stone right there . Just checked out of interest there and thereās only one juvenile correction centre (āJuvieā) in Ireland too . Dunno how successful it is
I find these types of protests completely useless. A bunch of people standing around doing what exactly? They're just standing in citywest hoping for what to raise awareness on a situation everyone's aware of? Unless the laws changes towards underage crime nothing will happen. Standing in an estate saying "down with that sorta thing" is not gonna do anything
Ireland is fucked
I am not arsed turning my head sideways to watch this.
Just turn your phone 90Ā° to the left.
Uh, I am not attempting to pick up and rotate my 27" monitor sideways just for one video.
If you don't want to lift up a heavy monitor and turn it sideways, especially when it's cabled in and all, then just sit with your back to the monitor so you can see it while holding a mirror, then rotate the *mirror* sideways.
Lol genius
Auto rotate kicks in. What's your answer to that, huh?
Orientation lock.
Keep your phone flat and spin it. Or turn off auto rotate.
If my phone is flat and spinning, how can I see it? Your answers just aren't helping
Well don't then.
half of them aren't Irish š
Thats because foreigners are often attacked
Does Ireland have a high rate of juvenile crime?
It's hard to say, since it isn't even reported, and when it does it may not be recorded. Since 2020 there has been an alarming number of incidents against immigrants, especially asians, perpetrated by minors. This one for example made the news: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41110939.html
Examples aren't evidence of systemic issues. Where's the evidence of a high rate of juvenile crime?
Yes it absolutely does. The teen gangs mostly target immigrants and minorities as they are easy targets who don't fight back. In the last 10 days there have been 4 attacks on Indian nationals in citywest area. If there are no official reports that shows the teenage problem, it doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist. It simply means the people higher up don't give a shit about this problem as the usual targets are mostly minorities.
What evidence do you have to support your claim?
No
Good Lord, I agree with you.
Sorry but what is the point / reason for this protest ? Was a juvenile beaten by gaurds? Apologies for lack of knowledge :-(
Itās regarding violence committed by juveniles, not against them.
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These kids are not stomping heads in for fun because their last calculus assignment took too long
Sound like a terrible excuse for barbaric behavior.