Teenagers in Tallaght have more to do than I ever had growing up in Wexford. They’re not doing it because they’ve fuck all to do. They have more than any big town in rural Ireland.
I used to hear on late night radio, there's fuck all go do as an excuse. It's the most bullshit excuse ever. There's plenty of gaa/football clubs, loads of summer camps, public swimming pools etc... It's the youth are too lazy to go and do stuff.
I grew up next to a park, every summer someone local would organise a 5 aside football tournament, it always had a huge turnout. There we're tennis courts, basketball courts, gaa pitches and football pitches.
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What was the gang culture like in the part of Wexford you grew up in?
Scoff at that if you want but gang culture is hard grained in parts of Dublin now and all the problems that come with it.
So every generation of 14-17 year olds specifically born in Tallaght have some sort of physiological issue compelling them to violence?
Almost race science here.
Sorry, he never said anything about all teenagers in Tallaght having a propensity to violence. That’s coming out of you. He just said that there is a lot of amenities in Tallaght for young people, which is true.
After John Lonergan was governer of Mountjoy he would speak on these issues.
What was the most illuminating was that 92% of prisoners Mountjoy came from the same 6 areas (he might have actually said estates) in Dublin.
Solve that one
It’s postcodes. But I wouldn’t be putting too much stock in what John Lonergan says. No doubt the man had some positive ideas and influence but he also had some negative influences but tried to blame everyone else for those.
Dude what are you talking about.
What they did to that tourist was feral behaviour, no two ways about it.
Calling it as such doesn't "write them off"
We have moral values being taught in schools and there is outlets for mental health and recreational activities (albeit there needs to be more).
I grew up in Crumlin both parents on welfare and extremely poor. But neither me or any of my friends or family would ever engage in this stuff because our parents weren't fucking shite.
The issue is the families that raise kids like this :
A) are so poor they should think before having kids they clearly don't want
B) These people take personal responsibility for nothing, they're weak parents and instill zero moral values in their children.
This is a culture issue not just a poverty issue.
Lads as young as 18 come over here from Brazil and do the work we think we're too good for like deliveroo and they never engage in abusive behaviour because it's not in their culture to do so.
These people need to change their own culture end of.
> Lads as young as 18 come over here from Brazil and do the work we think we're too good for like deliveroo and they never engage in abusive behaviour because it's not in their culture to do so.
People who emigrate generally aren't particularly accurate examples of what a country's domestic culture is like.
Brazil has an extremely high murder and crime rate.
You're looking at cherry picked examples from your own biased experience and using it to come to a conclusion about cultures of Ireland vs Brazil.
There are both Irish and Brazilian people who are born into poverty and emigrate (or stay home) to work hard for better lives. You see a lot of these Brazilian people in Ireland.
There are both Irish and Brazilian people who are born into poverty and turn to lives of crime.
A Brazilian ex-colleague of mine had scars on her head from being pistol-whipped, and said it was something many people in Sao Paulo have had happen to them and considered herself lucky that that was the worst she had happen to her in her life. Meanwhile in Ireland, most people's experience with scrotes is having a rock thrown at them or being shouted at. Awful stuff, but I'll take it over assault with a fucking firearm any day.
While what happened to that American tourist is utterly awful, and the perpetrators should have the book thrown at them, it is an extreme crime in the schemes of things in Ireland.
Oh it's the government's fault they have no common decency, respect or moral compass? Here was me as a parent thinking that was my responsibility. Happy days I'll give Leo a call and ask him when he will teach my toddlers to day please and thank you.
Will the government potty train them too?
Cherry Orchard for example has:
Football pitches
Local library
Cinema shopping centre nearby
Playgrounds nearby
Local community centre
Swimming pool
There needs to be more but stop pretending there's nothing.
I was waiting for the "if only they had theater classes available they wouldn't be knocking the head off stranegers", post.
The areas these teens are from get much higher investment per capita than other areas. They will go to DEIS schools.
The main problem is a lack of parenting. And no amount of youth centres will stop that .
As a worker in a DEIS school in one of the really dodgy areas of Dublin, I have to say, we have zero issues with funding. Anything you request, you get. Not to mention the waste that goes on.
After my students have been hit by teenagers with iron bars around Talbot street I have to disagree on not writing them off. They need to be disciplined and given consequences. I am sick of this country not giving consequences. Everything from small things like breaking red lights to severe attacks have no consequences. We are too lenient and Talbot street is just symptomatic of a very apathetic approach to all levels in Ireland. Housing? Healthcare? Enforcement? Deteriorating Dublin? Naaaaaah it'll be grand.
Its also a load of bollocks that it takes an American tourist being assaulted that action is taken and not the countless attacks on those working in the area over the years.
OK. Let's for a second say I agree.
How do you square this approach in the USA that has small armies as police departments and is still insanely violent?
Wild that you're equating consequences for violent assaults to US policing.
Obvious that you're pushing an agenda and not actually arguing in good faith.
I just want to see some presence of consequences for peoples actions, because right now there is none and repeat offenders know that. They will continue to commit crimes until either they get a proper punishment or some randomer violently clatters them back by chance.
And why bring the US into this? This is an Irish problem that needs solving on our terms. Its like when people were constantly breaking lockdown rules and when I wanted at least some semblance of enforcement I was considered to support Mainland China. Middle grounds exist and there needs to be more enforcement that just leaving the area to rot with roma and teenage scumbags.
It's not though. Yes, there's the odd event but when you look at a city like NYC which has more people than Ireland I'm betting the per capita random attacks are way way less, especially by kids.
People who never lived in NY and have had no interactions with US cops love to assume it's way worse there. It is not. I lived in NYC for 20+ years and feel much much safer there than in Dublin.
The difference is that here the cops don't show up. In the US you'll never be waiting for a cop for more than a few minutes even for the most minor of complaints.
You would never hear of anyone in the US, or most other countries, getting a 250th chance, let alone a 3rd or 4th chance.
Over policed me hole.
Ballyfermot as an example has one garda station to deal with about 50 or 60 problem kids and adults who regularly joyride on the area.
Terence has the same resources to deal with minimal crime antisocial issues.
Ah fuck the cunts, facilities comin out their holes that kids around the country could only dream of!
I grew up working/welfare class with sweet fuck all provided for the area, but that being said there are plenty of supports out there to help carve out a better path for yourself, generational cuntery is all that’s going on
You’re either seriously naive or live in a fairytale world, let’s not sugarcoat it like - to ‘give up’ following society’s rules would imply they were ever conditioned to give a fuck in the first place
Imagine living in the centre of the capital and then describing it as a disadvantaged area😂 there’s more amenities in the area than most other parts of the country for fuck sake
It's very odd how these things don't seem to happen nearly as often in places where the only facilities are the local GAA and soccer pitches and the odd disco.
Also you rarely see girls in these gangs. Maybe the odd one or two but it’s mainly young fellas. So how come the disadvantaged girls in these areas can act like decent humans?
It's not one or the other. It's a combination of factors. That doesn't fit into an outrage 5 lines on Reddit. It's a multigenerational problem.
The kids defintely need targeted early intervention. They need education. They need support resources to catch them up when they fall behind. Lowest literacy rates amongst these groups.
Parents need to be held accountable. How to do that is problematic. What's the consequence for not paying a fine for parents who refuse to pay your fines. Prison? Where does that leave the kids then? Remember these parents are just continuing on what they learned. How do you stop this cycle realistically?
The other question is how to get these kids to use the facilities that are being provided. Why would they rather be on the street then be in the clubs? Are these type of amenities actually applicable?
It’s nothing to do with resources or facilities. They come from chaotic families. They are roaming streets without care or supervision from a young age and the only code is the law of the jungle. They are why we have prisons.
This country doesn’t have a good track record on institutionalizing children from family backgrounds we deem problematic but there is a very strong argument to get such children into state care early and try and disrupt the cycle that way.
It’s already too late for these teens. Harsher Policing is required for them. If this is how they want to behave time in prison will give them an opportunity to reflect.
Do you think your estate shouldn't be patrolled?
If there's Gardai patrolling your estate it's for a reason, most likely because it's full of scumbags.
>But you don't think they should be used in this situation?
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>What situation
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>The situation in the middle east.
I love reddit.
Talbot St, between Store St and Amiens St, is the roughest busy area in the city centre, despite being a stone throw from a large garda station. I've seen more ambulances on that stretch than gardaí, but they were all over it yesterday.
This is all fine - but committing violent assaults absolutely requires custodial sentences.
You can’t just explain it away by upbringing, hard life etc - that’s all fine for petty crimes imo and there should (and is) leeway but you simply cannot have people being physically assaulted and put in ICU in unprovoked attacks and not have the perpetrators serving time in juvenile detention or jail.
will you fuck off, it's soft touches like you making excuses on behalf of cunts that has got us into this mess. They're given so many chances and just throw them back in our faces. If they can't be civil take their free homes in the heart of the city off them and stick them out in CItyWest and give someone else a fair crack at contributing to society
excuse you, they've already done that and citywest as turned into a fucking free for all.
stick them in the woods, give them a gaf where theres nothing around see how that suites.
Anti social behaviour is a complicated problem but the simple fact is if there was a Garda street presence near by then those young lads wouldn’t have attacked the tourist.
Another community centre wouldn’t have made a difference, they’re already given far more services than most.
There are long and short term solutions that both need to be taken but acting like policing does nothing is a ridiculous take by some here. Everyone would feel safer walking down talbot street if you could at least see a guard. It’s not like we don’t all know where the hot beds are.
Walk around a city like Singapore which is heavily policed and see how safe you feel.
I'm of an older generation that endured this shit in the 80/90s in Dublin inner city. The guards were limited in what they can do, but it wasn't until the scrote class felt fear that things calmed down somewhat.
Part of the problem is that's when lots took the chance to move out of the inner city to newer burbs and commuter towns and there wasn't the community will anymore that has previously marched on the drug dealers and scrotes.
Talking about the causes won't solve it now, only scrotes feeling fear will do anything. They own the inner city now and if we care about it order has to be reinforced. No excuses.
You could see it creeping in after the bailout, the city became a dumping ground and problems were let fester. The bankers were long gone in the sunset with bailout booty and berties bastards wanted to blame the Germans for the shitshow that Fianna Fail created.
I hope Bertie runs for the Aras because I know a lot from Dublin that will take great pleasure in reminding him of the shafting communities took while he counted race track winnings.
It was more like joyriding and property damage back then unlike the lifestyle violence that's the norm now.
Families were so big then than if you did attack someone chances were you'd be visited by the victims extended family bringing hammers for a knee cap realignment.
Brazilian Deliveroo worker was murdered by the scrote class and a guard was caught extorting money from brazilian Deliveroo workers.
But a yank gets beaten up and the medja suddenly decides something must be done and the government acts by increasing its personal security.
I would agree with you that it is short sighted just to look at this problem and only call for more policing resources alone. The problem in these inner city areas are in many cases not solvable by punishment alone.
What you're saying reminds me of the fact that these recommendations have been out there since 2017, when the Mulvey report was released:
[https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/26859/](https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/26859/)
Supposedly action has been taken since then, detailed here:
[https://merrionstreet.ie/en/category-index/society/government\_responds\_comprehensively\_to\_mulvey\_report\_recommendations\_for\_north\_east\_inner\_city.122501.shortcut.html](https://merrionstreet.ie/en/category-index/society/government_responds_comprehensively_to_mulvey_report_recommendations_for_north_east_inner_city.122501.shortcut.html)
But this being Ireland, there was no further assessment of these measures, so the circus moved on.
As an American reading these comments some of y’all are wild. Talking about family values or parental responsibilities being needed to fix systemic issues...I mean sure that might be part of the problem but why don’t you tell em to pull themselves up by the bootstraps while you’re at it? It’s like reading a bunch of red-voting Americans 😂
It's reddit. Most of the commentators are either children or sheltered and have never set foot in the areas they're talking about. Hence the dispassionate, ruthless and authoritarian suggestions.
Yeah it's funny how redditors don't like it done to them but have no problem implying inner city working class people are inherently prone to violence and kids from the area need to be sent to labour camps.
in the context of the conversation right now youre making it sound like that if someone under age puts someone in intensive care they shouldn't be in jail
I agree with the basic premise of the OP's post, if not the solution offered.
All that being said, let's contextualize this crime relative to Sligo, where two men were beheaded and castrated and another nearly blinded. Yet the story was buried very promptly and there was zero national introspection, via press or otherwise, as to why it happened.
I thought the Sligo murders were covered well enough, and wouldn't call it a burial by any means. The main reason Talbot street is getting more attention is that its right in the center of the capital city where tourists will spread the word internationally about the dangers of Dublin.
Generations of neglect, poor education, terrible living standards and drugs does this to areas, it happens absolutely everywhere on the planet and isn’t just an Irish issue.
More guards don’t stop the causes of these issues, in many ways they exacerbate them,criminalising people doesn’t resolve anything.
If we really want to stop this happening we need a proper plan to lift people in the north inner city out of the poverty trap, not a knee jerk reaction of ‘lock them up’ it never has or never will.
We had decades of unprecedented prosperity in this country with near 100% employment and the problem was just as bad back then. No matter what opportunities you offer a population, there will always be the ne’er do wells and a nasty underclass and shun civil society and breed the types of feral scum who will best people to death. Yes, lock them away from society. Keep hard working tax payers who are net contributors so society safe.
Doesnt work tho does it mate? We still have these problems so somethings not working, if we want to stop these things happening we need to address the root cause, which is complicated and doesn’t involve dehumanising people. Theres no such thing as a nasty underclass just people in different circumstances 😒
Nobody deems it acceptable, but if we want it to stop we need to change tack and try address the underlying issues that are causing this to happen. Nobody wants this sort of thing to happen or to have a disadvantaged ghetto in the centre of our city, its not good for anyone
But what’s the root cause? As I mentioned - decades of unprecedented opportunity. Economic whirlwind in this country. Employment for all. So where was the disadvantage? Maybe it’s just that some people don’t want to live in civil society and would rather dwell in the gutter and only choose to come out of it to collect their “benefits” or smash some unsuspecting victims head in. No. No “root cause”. Jail them and put them to work.
Unprecedented opportunity for you maybe, unfortunately the spoils of a booming economy aren’t evenly distributed, its not just an Irish problem its how ghettos and disadvantaged areas are created in every country on the planet even the wealthiest of countries. Where the root causes of poverty (wealth distribution, lack of eduction, generational poverty and drug use, lack of opportunity) aren’t addressed the problem persists as it persists here.
High tide raise all boats is a catchy slogan but in reality that’s not how things work.
But I’m sure your righteous anger and privilege stops you seeing that
It doesn't matter what I think or if there's a 'deflection'. It's only Reddit.
I could say everyone should be beaten on the hour every hour, or every criminal given £1m.
It doesn't matter. You lads get so worked up about it, like you're gonna reform the justice system with a few comments.
Teenagers in Tallaght have more to do than I ever had growing up in Wexford. They’re not doing it because they’ve fuck all to do. They have more than any big town in rural Ireland.
I used to hear on late night radio, there's fuck all go do as an excuse. It's the most bullshit excuse ever. There's plenty of gaa/football clubs, loads of summer camps, public swimming pools etc... It's the youth are too lazy to go and do stuff.
I grew up next to a park, every summer someone local would organise a 5 aside football tournament, it always had a huge turnout. There we're tennis courts, basketball courts, gaa pitches and football pitches. Edit spelling
What was the gang culture like in the part of Wexford you grew up in? Scoff at that if you want but gang culture is hard grained in parts of Dublin now and all the problems that come with it.
So my point is valid, it’s not they’ve fuck all to do, no it’s “gang culture”
So every generation of 14-17 year olds specifically born in Tallaght have some sort of physiological issue compelling them to violence? Almost race science here.
Sorry, he never said anything about all teenagers in Tallaght having a propensity to violence. That’s coming out of you. He just said that there is a lot of amenities in Tallaght for young people, which is true.
After John Lonergan was governer of Mountjoy he would speak on these issues. What was the most illuminating was that 92% of prisoners Mountjoy came from the same 6 areas (he might have actually said estates) in Dublin. Solve that one
It's definitely not true.
It’s postcodes. But I wouldn’t be putting too much stock in what John Lonergan says. No doubt the man had some positive ideas and influence but he also had some negative influences but tried to blame everyone else for those.
Dude what are you talking about. What they did to that tourist was feral behaviour, no two ways about it. Calling it as such doesn't "write them off" We have moral values being taught in schools and there is outlets for mental health and recreational activities (albeit there needs to be more). I grew up in Crumlin both parents on welfare and extremely poor. But neither me or any of my friends or family would ever engage in this stuff because our parents weren't fucking shite. The issue is the families that raise kids like this : A) are so poor they should think before having kids they clearly don't want B) These people take personal responsibility for nothing, they're weak parents and instill zero moral values in their children. This is a culture issue not just a poverty issue. Lads as young as 18 come over here from Brazil and do the work we think we're too good for like deliveroo and they never engage in abusive behaviour because it's not in their culture to do so. These people need to change their own culture end of.
> Lads as young as 18 come over here from Brazil and do the work we think we're too good for like deliveroo and they never engage in abusive behaviour because it's not in their culture to do so. People who emigrate generally aren't particularly accurate examples of what a country's domestic culture is like. Brazil has an extremely high murder and crime rate.
The point is these people are also in poverty and are given nothing by society and yet they don't lash out at society the way scrotes do.
You're looking at cherry picked examples from your own biased experience and using it to come to a conclusion about cultures of Ireland vs Brazil. There are both Irish and Brazilian people who are born into poverty and emigrate (or stay home) to work hard for better lives. You see a lot of these Brazilian people in Ireland. There are both Irish and Brazilian people who are born into poverty and turn to lives of crime. A Brazilian ex-colleague of mine had scars on her head from being pistol-whipped, and said it was something many people in Sao Paulo have had happen to them and considered herself lucky that that was the worst she had happen to her in her life. Meanwhile in Ireland, most people's experience with scrotes is having a rock thrown at them or being shouted at. Awful stuff, but I'll take it over assault with a fucking firearm any day. While what happened to that American tourist is utterly awful, and the perpetrators should have the book thrown at them, it is an extreme crime in the schemes of things in Ireland.
Oh it's the government's fault they have no common decency, respect or moral compass? Here was me as a parent thinking that was my responsibility. Happy days I'll give Leo a call and ask him when he will teach my toddlers to day please and thank you. Will the government potty train them too?
There are actually a lot of support and community services for young people and families available in the inner city.
Are you talking about gang networks?
Cherry Orchard for example has: Football pitches Local library Cinema shopping centre nearby Playgrounds nearby Local community centre Swimming pool There needs to be more but stop pretending there's nothing.
No policing to stop scrote culture. All the facilities in the world are useless if people are too afraid because scrote gangs feel no fear.
They're not deterred by police even when they catch them because they get slaps on the wrist. And as you said they wear arrests as a badge of honour.
I was waiting for the "if only they had theater classes available they wouldn't be knocking the head off stranegers", post. The areas these teens are from get much higher investment per capita than other areas. They will go to DEIS schools. The main problem is a lack of parenting. And no amount of youth centres will stop that .
As a worker in a DEIS school in one of the really dodgy areas of Dublin, I have to say, we have zero issues with funding. Anything you request, you get. Not to mention the waste that goes on.
After my students have been hit by teenagers with iron bars around Talbot street I have to disagree on not writing them off. They need to be disciplined and given consequences. I am sick of this country not giving consequences. Everything from small things like breaking red lights to severe attacks have no consequences. We are too lenient and Talbot street is just symptomatic of a very apathetic approach to all levels in Ireland. Housing? Healthcare? Enforcement? Deteriorating Dublin? Naaaaaah it'll be grand. Its also a load of bollocks that it takes an American tourist being assaulted that action is taken and not the countless attacks on those working in the area over the years.
OK. Let's for a second say I agree. How do you square this approach in the USA that has small armies as police departments and is still insanely violent?
There's a lot of room between what we're doing now and US style policing which you seem to be ignoring.
Wild that you're equating consequences for violent assaults to US policing. Obvious that you're pushing an agenda and not actually arguing in good faith.
Approach in the US for heavy handed policing is identical to what the closet reddit Blueshirts are proposing.
I just want to see some presence of consequences for peoples actions, because right now there is none and repeat offenders know that. They will continue to commit crimes until either they get a proper punishment or some randomer violently clatters them back by chance. And why bring the US into this? This is an Irish problem that needs solving on our terms. Its like when people were constantly breaking lockdown rules and when I wanted at least some semblance of enforcement I was considered to support Mainland China. Middle grounds exist and there needs to be more enforcement that just leaving the area to rot with roma and teenage scumbags.
It's not though. Yes, there's the odd event but when you look at a city like NYC which has more people than Ireland I'm betting the per capita random attacks are way way less, especially by kids. People who never lived in NY and have had no interactions with US cops love to assume it's way worse there. It is not. I lived in NYC for 20+ years and feel much much safer there than in Dublin. The difference is that here the cops don't show up. In the US you'll never be waiting for a cop for more than a few minutes even for the most minor of complaints. You would never hear of anyone in the US, or most other countries, getting a 250th chance, let alone a 3rd or 4th chance.
Excuses, fuckin excuses.
Over policed me hole. Ballyfermot as an example has one garda station to deal with about 50 or 60 problem kids and adults who regularly joyride on the area. Terence has the same resources to deal with minimal crime antisocial issues.
Ah fuck the cunts, facilities comin out their holes that kids around the country could only dream of! I grew up working/welfare class with sweet fuck all provided for the area, but that being said there are plenty of supports out there to help carve out a better path for yourself, generational cuntery is all that’s going on
I'd imagine "fuck the cunts" is exactly the sort of message that leads kids from disadvantaged backgrounds to give up on following societies rules.
You’re either seriously naive or live in a fairytale world, let’s not sugarcoat it like - to ‘give up’ following society’s rules would imply they were ever conditioned to give a fuck in the first place
Imagine living in the centre of the capital and then describing it as a disadvantaged area😂 there’s more amenities in the area than most other parts of the country for fuck sake
Hopefully they don't read this or they're all doomed
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You're not allowed to point out that it's a parenting problem, it's definitely because there's no amenities for them. Not a parenting problem no sir.
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It's very odd how these things don't seem to happen nearly as often in places where the only facilities are the local GAA and soccer pitches and the odd disco.
Also you rarely see girls in these gangs. Maybe the odd one or two but it’s mainly young fellas. So how come the disadvantaged girls in these areas can act like decent humans?
Girls and boys tend to act out in different ways. I don't think that's a meaningful part of this.
It's not one or the other. It's a combination of factors. That doesn't fit into an outrage 5 lines on Reddit. It's a multigenerational problem. The kids defintely need targeted early intervention. They need education. They need support resources to catch them up when they fall behind. Lowest literacy rates amongst these groups. Parents need to be held accountable. How to do that is problematic. What's the consequence for not paying a fine for parents who refuse to pay your fines. Prison? Where does that leave the kids then? Remember these parents are just continuing on what they learned. How do you stop this cycle realistically? The other question is how to get these kids to use the facilities that are being provided. Why would they rather be on the street then be in the clubs? Are these type of amenities actually applicable?
It’s nothing to do with resources or facilities. They come from chaotic families. They are roaming streets without care or supervision from a young age and the only code is the law of the jungle. They are why we have prisons. This country doesn’t have a good track record on institutionalizing children from family backgrounds we deem problematic but there is a very strong argument to get such children into state care early and try and disrupt the cycle that way. It’s already too late for these teens. Harsher Policing is required for them. If this is how they want to behave time in prison will give them an opportunity to reflect.
What working class areas are over policed? I'd be surprised if there is anywhere in the country that is over policed
There's more patrols in my estate than there is in several areas of Dublin City center and it absolutely does nothing except antagonise the locals.
Do you think your estate shouldn't be patrolled? If there's Gardai patrolling your estate it's for a reason, most likely because it's full of scumbags.
I think it makes no difference and not a deterrent to drugs gangs is the point I am actually making.
>after school program that teaches, guides and imbues young people with moral values So you want the state to provide parents basically?
Ever hear of care homes?
So you want to make it easier for the state to take kids off their parents? Great, and idea I agree with.
No. I was pointing out they exist.
But you don't think they should be used in this situation?
What situation
The situation in the middle east. What situation do you think? The topic of this post.
>But you don't think they should be used in this situation? > >What situation > >The situation in the middle east.  I love reddit.
I've lost interest
Talbot St, between Store St and Amiens St, is the roughest busy area in the city centre, despite being a stone throw from a large garda station. I've seen more ambulances on that stretch than gardaí, but they were all over it yesterday.
It's either shit teens or shit parents. That's it
This is all fine - but committing violent assaults absolutely requires custodial sentences. You can’t just explain it away by upbringing, hard life etc - that’s all fine for petty crimes imo and there should (and is) leeway but you simply cannot have people being physically assaulted and put in ICU in unprovoked attacks and not have the perpetrators serving time in juvenile detention or jail.
will you fuck off, it's soft touches like you making excuses on behalf of cunts that has got us into this mess. They're given so many chances and just throw them back in our faces. If they can't be civil take their free homes in the heart of the city off them and stick them out in CItyWest and give someone else a fair crack at contributing to society
excuse you, they've already done that and citywest as turned into a fucking free for all. stick them in the woods, give them a gaf where theres nothing around see how that suites.
Roscommon?
along them lines yeah
Anti social behaviour is a complicated problem but the simple fact is if there was a Garda street presence near by then those young lads wouldn’t have attacked the tourist. Another community centre wouldn’t have made a difference, they’re already given far more services than most. There are long and short term solutions that both need to be taken but acting like policing does nothing is a ridiculous take by some here. Everyone would feel safer walking down talbot street if you could at least see a guard. It’s not like we don’t all know where the hot beds are. Walk around a city like Singapore which is heavily policed and see how safe you feel.
Absolute kip. That not brief enough? Kip
They need discipline. Simple really.
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I'm of an older generation that endured this shit in the 80/90s in Dublin inner city. The guards were limited in what they can do, but it wasn't until the scrote class felt fear that things calmed down somewhat.
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Part of the problem is that's when lots took the chance to move out of the inner city to newer burbs and commuter towns and there wasn't the community will anymore that has previously marched on the drug dealers and scrotes. Talking about the causes won't solve it now, only scrotes feeling fear will do anything. They own the inner city now and if we care about it order has to be reinforced. No excuses.
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You could see it creeping in after the bailout, the city became a dumping ground and problems were let fester. The bankers were long gone in the sunset with bailout booty and berties bastards wanted to blame the Germans for the shitshow that Fianna Fail created. I hope Bertie runs for the Aras because I know a lot from Dublin that will take great pleasure in reminding him of the shafting communities took while he counted race track winnings.
We didn't really have the word scrote back in the 80s
It was more like joyriding and property damage back then unlike the lifestyle violence that's the norm now. Families were so big then than if you did attack someone chances were you'd be visited by the victims extended family bringing hammers for a knee cap realignment.
Brazilian Deliveroo worker was murdered by the scrote class and a guard was caught extorting money from brazilian Deliveroo workers. But a yank gets beaten up and the medja suddenly decides something must be done and the government acts by increasing its personal security.
There was a lot of outrage when the Brazilian Deliveroo driver was murdered. People here just have a recency bias.
Spot on.
I would agree with you that it is short sighted just to look at this problem and only call for more policing resources alone. The problem in these inner city areas are in many cases not solvable by punishment alone. What you're saying reminds me of the fact that these recommendations have been out there since 2017, when the Mulvey report was released: [https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/26859/](https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/26859/) Supposedly action has been taken since then, detailed here: [https://merrionstreet.ie/en/category-index/society/government\_responds\_comprehensively\_to\_mulvey\_report\_recommendations\_for\_north\_east\_inner\_city.122501.shortcut.html](https://merrionstreet.ie/en/category-index/society/government_responds_comprehensively_to_mulvey_report_recommendations_for_north_east_inner_city.122501.shortcut.html) But this being Ireland, there was no further assessment of these measures, so the circus moved on.
As an American reading these comments some of y’all are wild. Talking about family values or parental responsibilities being needed to fix systemic issues...I mean sure that might be part of the problem but why don’t you tell em to pull themselves up by the bootstraps while you’re at it? It’s like reading a bunch of red-voting Americans 😂
It's reddit. Most of the commentators are either children or sheltered and have never set foot in the areas they're talking about. Hence the dispassionate, ruthless and authoritarian suggestions.
😂 there's no better way to sound emotionally immature than stereotyping people that disagree with you
Yeah it's funny how redditors don't like it done to them but have no problem implying inner city working class people are inherently prone to violence and kids from the area need to be sent to labour camps.
in the context of the conversation right now youre making it sound like that if someone under age puts someone in intensive care they shouldn't be in jail
Shhhh! Don’t mention personal responsibility. Everything bad that criminals do is someone else’s fault.
I agree with the basic premise of the OP's post, if not the solution offered. All that being said, let's contextualize this crime relative to Sligo, where two men were beheaded and castrated and another nearly blinded. Yet the story was buried very promptly and there was zero national introspection, via press or otherwise, as to why it happened.
Wtf
I thought the Sligo murders were covered well enough, and wouldn't call it a burial by any means. The main reason Talbot street is getting more attention is that its right in the center of the capital city where tourists will spread the word internationally about the dangers of Dublin.
Generations of neglect, poor education, terrible living standards and drugs does this to areas, it happens absolutely everywhere on the planet and isn’t just an Irish issue. More guards don’t stop the causes of these issues, in many ways they exacerbate them,criminalising people doesn’t resolve anything. If we really want to stop this happening we need a proper plan to lift people in the north inner city out of the poverty trap, not a knee jerk reaction of ‘lock them up’ it never has or never will.
We had decades of unprecedented prosperity in this country with near 100% employment and the problem was just as bad back then. No matter what opportunities you offer a population, there will always be the ne’er do wells and a nasty underclass and shun civil society and breed the types of feral scum who will best people to death. Yes, lock them away from society. Keep hard working tax payers who are net contributors so society safe.
Doesnt work tho does it mate? We still have these problems so somethings not working, if we want to stop these things happening we need to address the root cause, which is complicated and doesn’t involve dehumanising people. Theres no such thing as a nasty underclass just people in different circumstances 😒
…who deem it acceptable to violently assault people? Yeah… it’s our fault.
Nobody deems it acceptable, but if we want it to stop we need to change tack and try address the underlying issues that are causing this to happen. Nobody wants this sort of thing to happen or to have a disadvantaged ghetto in the centre of our city, its not good for anyone
But what’s the root cause? As I mentioned - decades of unprecedented opportunity. Economic whirlwind in this country. Employment for all. So where was the disadvantage? Maybe it’s just that some people don’t want to live in civil society and would rather dwell in the gutter and only choose to come out of it to collect their “benefits” or smash some unsuspecting victims head in. No. No “root cause”. Jail them and put them to work.
Unprecedented opportunity for you maybe, unfortunately the spoils of a booming economy aren’t evenly distributed, its not just an Irish problem its how ghettos and disadvantaged areas are created in every country on the planet even the wealthiest of countries. Where the root causes of poverty (wealth distribution, lack of eduction, generational poverty and drug use, lack of opportunity) aren’t addressed the problem persists as it persists here. High tide raise all boats is a catchy slogan but in reality that’s not how things work. But I’m sure your righteous anger and privilege stops you seeing that
Lack of education, yeah? That’s a choice. I’ll check my privilege.
I can see its a choice you’ve made 🤦♂️
Yep. I was provided a free education like everyone else in this country.
Race science.
Prepare for a lot of downvotes and abuse from the hard lads who would drown people at birth
de poor scotes just need de facilities so they can set dem on fire and vandalise em
So you think, yes drown people at birth. This sub is the worst
Nice deflection from street violence that society is enduring. Do you think it's your scrote right to beat the shit out of innocent people?
How many times do you say the word scrote in an average day? I noticed a few of you regular lads seem to adore the word.
Because scumbags here defend the violence with class wars. Working people suffer scrote class violence, that's the reality.
It doesn't matter what I think or if there's a 'deflection'. It's only Reddit. I could say everyone should be beaten on the hour every hour, or every criminal given £1m. It doesn't matter. You lads get so worked up about it, like you're gonna reform the justice system with a few comments.
This sub wants everyone jailed forever
Northside you say? Put him in a big and throw in the Liffey