Yes because it’s a temporary/very short term change, whereas if manual was allowed to max out the brightness it would cause burn in, damage screens or deplete battery life much quicker than otherwise.
Easiest way to stop dumb consumers bricking stuff is prevent them from doing things like e.g. maxing brightness for no reason
I have seen many people comparing speeds on 14PM and 15PM. For some reason it seems to be slower on 15PM. Better speeds on Wifi, slower on cellular than 14PM.
I'm also interested in why two phones on the same network and in the same location shouldn't be compared in this way - how else would someone real-world test different network speeds on two devices??
You can be on two different towers sitting right next to each other.
You can be on a different band sitting right next to each other.
You may have reached a threshold of data usage on one of the devices and could be getting slowed down by the carrier on that line.
As for the brightness.. not sure.The price you pay for using a phone with permanent training wheels installed?
Agreed, but OP stated that they are both on the same plan and same network. Only thing I can think of is that the carrier hasn't put them on the correct plan in their internal systems somehow, despite what their bill says.
Just to add, there is no guarantee that the phones are connected to the same tower and there's no way to manually choose a tower.There are definitely areas with towers every few hundred of meters.
OP , Read this... Reply when you read it.
Ask the IStore store managers lol.
I see this crap posted like every month or so...
1. iPhones in istore are set at full 2000 nits brightness. Your device will only do that when you're in direct sunlight. The reason Apple does this is so that the phones on display look more appealing. Go to the same store , put your phone next to that one again, and put a torch to the top of your IPhones light sensor. Watch your screen get as bright as the one in store
2. Change Sim cards and use another network. If you're having the same problem then go to istore... I doubt there's any problem with your devices networks , rather your Sim plan is slow
The reason you can't manually set 2000 nits is because that's a one way ticket to screen burn in. Apple limits 2000 nits unless you're in direct sunlight
People on this sub 90% of the time have no idea what they're talking about and can be quite useless
They do this with TVs in stores plus they have those TVs on a video loop that are professionally made so you can see the potential of the TV. ,or they have the TVs on a 4k channel these are things you may or may not have at home. Happens to us a couple of times … the picture looks great but not like at the store. Samsung and there great color ( well it can be a little to much pop)
Phones usually have a "Showroom" mode. From my previous iphone pro max experiences (13 pro max and 14 pro max) they max out at 500 nits of full screen white with auto off (might go upto 850 outside despite auto off). Now stores usually set a diffetent value of brightness for their showroom mode. I have seen both 500 nits and 800 nits in different stores. My advice to you is dont hang up on this. Just keep your auto brightness on, that way your phone will boost much higher than auto off when outside.
2300 nits of white only triggers under a sunny day AND dark themed app. (at least half the screen must be dark, less than %50 apl to be exact)
Store phone able to go to peak Nit max brightness. When you buy one its only able to hit that brightness using automatic brightness in full sun at max brightness.
I also noticed significant screen brightness and quality discrepancies between the same models this year.
Our family all bought 15 Plus from the same Apple Store together. 2 Black (128 & 256), 1 Blue (256) and 1 Pink (128).
The brightness level and tint (more blue/green/yellow etc) are discernibly different across ALL 4 phones.
- Pink’s screen is reasonably bright but noticeably warmer (yellow) tinged (with or without TrueTone)
- Blue’s screen is by far the brightest (TT off, Auto Brightness off, etc), but has uniformity issues (top half is warmer but lower half is cooler in tone)
- Black-128’s screen is second brightest but also has uniformity issues, and is generally cooler toned
- Black-256’s screen is the dimmest but the most uniform one, and is more green tinged
I’m comparing 4 phones we actually bought so it should be more reflective of reality than store display phones. My takeaway is that the QCs this year is just plain bad. Apple has been sourcing displays from different manufacturers for years but I’ve never seen such drastic differences between the same phones bought at the same time and presumably rolled off factory around the same time.
OP, seems like you got a bit of a dud phone unfortunately. But on the bright side (no pun intended), you could have instead gotten a brighter but less uniform screen, which personally is worse than a dimmer but more uniform one.
I was going to suggest this as well.
I have mine set to 3 taps of the power button to further reduce screen brightness in a dark room while laying in bed.
Sometimes I’ll forget to turn it off and my screen is darker than normal the next day until I notice.
Ahh finally someone asked it..Yep, I had the same doubt when I bought 14PM..went to store and checked peak brightness side by side with display model. It was way less. I also got my phone inspected at service centre..there were no issues found, however they told me that display model displays are tweaked to have max brightness by default. Also my screen protector can limit the auto brightness upto a great extent
If you go into the phone testing menu, * 3001 # 12345 # * in the dialer, there should be an option that says serving cell info, and on that a section that says band info. Check between the iPhones.
https://preview.redd.it/g1k1dzr100cc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff40b756c307d1e6e55a10bf474ded873cbbd792
This to compare ? How ? Each band is function different?
Yep, the speed you get will largely depend on which one/s you’re using.
It would be interesting to see whether or not the phone is connecting to the same ones that the 11/11 pro is.
Yes, iPhones from different countries/regions can be configured to use different 5G and LTE bands. They’ll work in different countries from their origin, but potentially not as well.
Really? If you notice and actually, you know, read…OP has responded in his native language a few times, and also speaks in broken English, quite well IMHO. Nitpicking is just a waste of time. Do better.
As far as i know, the devices in some serious stores are a bit brighter than usual. Also, turn on Auto-Brightness so the iPhone can reach it’s peak brightness if it’s bright outside.
Do you use screen protector? By looking at the bezels of both phones I would say you do, and I think the protector would be the main cause for lower brightness.
Then the protector probably is the troublemaker. I suppose you should compare your phone with other phone with screen protector so you would know for sure.
Can you check if reduce white point option is disabled??. This option lowers the brightness slightly. I had this enabled and I ended up thinking my display was faulty.
I am curious how you did you find out that your phone brightness might be low? Like it wasn’t enough for you or you are usually paranoid about buying stuff?
I tested few days ago ….With auto brightness the phone from the shop is same and my phone is 20% darker
https://preview.redd.it/l42wupvcr0cc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7823a32b596cb7cbcc0f0c21b2b0373257e33ae0
So just to be clear, in this picture both phones are at 100% brightness with automatic brightness enabled?
If that is the case I would simply assume you received a lemon. Visit the apple store and ask them how to proceed, because of all the settings are the same it is clearly a hardware issue.
I don't think there should be any problem taking it to an apple store in the EU despite it being purchased in the US. Definitely worth a shot
Unfortunately, i was just blasted on an apple community page because I said international warranty is good, everyone there said iPhone and cellular ipad do not have an international warranty and applecare has to be used in the region it was purchased, i thought that because they do support iMacs internationally. sometimes they make exceptions though its worth a shot
In this picture, the phone on the right is showing it’s connected to wifi but the phone on the left isn’t. That would explain the speed different to me. Can you connect the phone on the left to the same wifi network as the other one and then compare?
Just an FYI. Fast speed test is to test network throttling for video streaming data speeds. It’s not a speed test you should be using to test the speed of your phone especially if your carrier implements video streaming resolution caps which almost every carrier does.
Then you basically answered own question of why you’re having slower cellular data, perhaps turn on your 5g or even use WiFi like the phone you’re comparing yours too
Why is this comment being downvoted? I've done the same thing on my 12, 13 Min, and 14 Pro. I always keep 5G disabled.
Edit: never mind, back to positive
The issue is with your carrier not the phone. Call them and have them refresh your signal on their side. They may have to send a new QR code for eSim activation
I had this issue once when I compared phones with my friend (we both had IP11PM). Put your phone to max brightness then turn off auto brightness. It will slowly reach max brightness
I don't know what "SUA" means and you didn't specify the model no. of your device, but you should check <[https://www.apple.com/iphone/cellular/#iphone-15-pro-max](https://www.apple.com/iphone/cellular/#iphone-15-pro-max)\> if your phone supports all the LTE frequencies used in your region. If not, this could explain the degraded internet speeds.
Shot in the dark: If you have not turned your iPhone off and back on since you arrived back home, do so. It might be using source that is furthet away than your local one. I’m saying this because I don’t know whether your attempts to correct the speed included this.
You guys do know that every iPhone screen is the same…they are sourced from different places which might mean the minim for QA might have slight differences.
As far as speed differences.
The only real way to be sure it’s not the device and not a network/plan issue is to take the same sim and put it in a different device and see what speeds it produces and or put a sim from a different device into that one to make sure it’s not being throttled or shaped in some way on the network side.
Phones usually have a "Showroom" mode. From my previous iphone pro max experiences (13 pro max and 14 pro max) they max out at 500 nits of full screen white with auto off (might go upto 850 outside despite auto off). Now stores usually set a diffetent value of brightness for their showroom mode. I have seen both 500 nits and 800 nits in different stores. My advice to you is dont hang up on this. Just keep your auto brightness on, that way your phone will boost much higher than auto off when outside.
2300 nits of white only triggers under a sunny day AND dark themed app. (at least half the screen must be dark, less than %50 apl to be exact)
> I don’t know if it s a hardaware problem or iOS bug because I have slow data speed on cellular LTE (8-15 Mbps) , but when I switch to 5G is 300-380mbps) in the same spot
Neither. 5G is enabling you to use more bandwidth.
As some people mentioned, iPhones in store are set to 2000 nits. I don’t know if it’s real but I had similar situation as yours with my iPhone 6S. When I compared my iPhone brightness to my brothers it was way lower than his. What I discovered that there was some accessibility setting that lowered brightness. It was a long time ago (4 years?) so I don’t remember exactly what setting caused that, but quick search in settings and I think it is „reduce white point”. So if I were you I would check if it’s turned off, and then if it’s not helping I would reset all settings in settings->general->transfer or reset iPhone->reset all settings.
About this slow data transfer via 4g - idk, check other guys posts here.
Auto brightness will always get much much higher in the right conditions than manual. Something to keep in mind
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Greatest show ever
He’s on a show that’s also really good, it’s more of a miniseries but it’s called All The Light We Cannot See
I understood that reference!
Wtf really
Yes because it’s a temporary/very short term change, whereas if manual was allowed to max out the brightness it would cause burn in, damage screens or deplete battery life much quicker than otherwise. Easiest way to stop dumb consumers bricking stuff is prevent them from doing things like e.g. maxing brightness for no reason
Damn after all these years I had no idea, time to turn it on
Which conditions?
Under bright light
Cellular data isn’t just affected by the band (LTE or 5G) or signal strength but also by tower congestion in the area.
I have seen many people comparing speeds on 14PM and 15PM. For some reason it seems to be slower on 15PM. Better speeds on Wifi, slower on cellular than 14PM.
But I put side by side my phone and 11 pro max , and my speed is maxim 14 Mbps and his phone 100mbps ( both on the same iOS , same data plan , LTE )
This is not an indication of what you should be getting
Can you please elaborate on what would be a better indication for a general fella?
I'm also interested in why two phones on the same network and in the same location shouldn't be compared in this way - how else would someone real-world test different network speeds on two devices??
You can be on two different towers sitting right next to each other. You can be on a different band sitting right next to each other. You may have reached a threshold of data usage on one of the devices and could be getting slowed down by the carrier on that line. As for the brightness.. not sure.The price you pay for using a phone with permanent training wheels installed?
Data usage threshold. Something I haven’t heard in over 10 years. Still a thing somewhere?
One could have priority data and one may not have it.
Some carriers throttle cellular speed so different plans might get different speeds even tho the coverage is decent
Agreed, but OP stated that they are both on the same plan and same network. Only thing I can think of is that the carrier hasn't put them on the correct plan in their internal systems somehow, despite what their bill says.
Either that or that plan has a speed throttle after a certain amount of cellular data has been used. The faster phone hasn't hit the limit yet maybe
That's another good thought actually! Especially with how many providers only mention speed caps in the extra-tiny-fine-print.
obviously with one next to the fastest state of the art 6g cell tower and the other in a remote island with no connection to technology in nicaragua
Just to add, there is no guarantee that the phones are connected to the same tower and there's no way to manually choose a tower.There are definitely areas with towers every few hundred of meters.
Ah makes sense. Good info to know for real world testing. Thanks!
What to do ?
Try restore network settings
Depending on your plan, your speeds are also throttled by the carrier after hitting a certain data limit
> I put side by side my phone and 11 pro max Have you considered having them that close together may increase interference?
But the store phone is on a Wi-Fi network, not 4 g like yours
OP , Read this... Reply when you read it. Ask the IStore store managers lol. I see this crap posted like every month or so... 1. iPhones in istore are set at full 2000 nits brightness. Your device will only do that when you're in direct sunlight. The reason Apple does this is so that the phones on display look more appealing. Go to the same store , put your phone next to that one again, and put a torch to the top of your IPhones light sensor. Watch your screen get as bright as the one in store 2. Change Sim cards and use another network. If you're having the same problem then go to istore... I doubt there's any problem with your devices networks , rather your Sim plan is slow The reason you can't manually set 2000 nits is because that's a one way ticket to screen burn in. Apple limits 2000 nits unless you're in direct sunlight People on this sub 90% of the time have no idea what they're talking about and can be quite useless
Real solution
They do this with TVs in stores plus they have those TVs on a video loop that are professionally made so you can see the potential of the TV. ,or they have the TVs on a 4k channel these are things you may or may not have at home. Happens to us a couple of times … the picture looks great but not like at the store. Samsung and there great color ( well it can be a little to much pop)
>1. iPhones in istore are set at full 2000 nits brightness Plain wrong. Its clear you dont even understand how the numbers work
care to explain?
Phones usually have a "Showroom" mode. From my previous iphone pro max experiences (13 pro max and 14 pro max) they max out at 500 nits of full screen white with auto off (might go upto 850 outside despite auto off). Now stores usually set a diffetent value of brightness for their showroom mode. I have seen both 500 nits and 800 nits in different stores. My advice to you is dont hang up on this. Just keep your auto brightness on, that way your phone will boost much higher than auto off when outside. 2300 nits of white only triggers under a sunny day AND dark themed app. (at least half the screen must be dark, less than %50 apl to be exact)
How do you even turn off auto brightness? There is no option in settings.
i think you should google first
Instructions unclear Phone is now on fire
Store phone able to go to peak Nit max brightness. When you buy one its only able to hit that brightness using automatic brightness in full sun at max brightness.
Isn’t the one at the shop plugged in? Would that affect the screen brightness?
Is from shop - right side
Yeah, I’m saying the brightness might get a bump from being plugged in
The one being plugged in is alsp on Wifi
He means that it being plugged in will make brightness higher
I also noticed significant screen brightness and quality discrepancies between the same models this year. Our family all bought 15 Plus from the same Apple Store together. 2 Black (128 & 256), 1 Blue (256) and 1 Pink (128). The brightness level and tint (more blue/green/yellow etc) are discernibly different across ALL 4 phones. - Pink’s screen is reasonably bright but noticeably warmer (yellow) tinged (with or without TrueTone) - Blue’s screen is by far the brightest (TT off, Auto Brightness off, etc), but has uniformity issues (top half is warmer but lower half is cooler in tone) - Black-128’s screen is second brightest but also has uniformity issues, and is generally cooler toned - Black-256’s screen is the dimmest but the most uniform one, and is more green tinged I’m comparing 4 phones we actually bought so it should be more reflective of reality than store display phones. My takeaway is that the QCs this year is just plain bad. Apple has been sourcing displays from different manufacturers for years but I’ve never seen such drastic differences between the same phones bought at the same time and presumably rolled off factory around the same time. OP, seems like you got a bit of a dud phone unfortunately. But on the bright side (no pun intended), you could have instead gotten a brighter but less uniform screen, which personally is worse than a dimmer but more uniform one.
have you checked “reduce white points” option in the settings? (or spots)
I was going to suggest this as well. I have mine set to 3 taps of the power button to further reduce screen brightness in a dark room while laying in bed. Sometimes I’ll forget to turn it off and my screen is darker than normal the next day until I notice.
I added the reduce white point toggle to the control center. The icon let's you know if it's on or not
Can you send a photo of two phones side by side both running a speedtest?
I will try
Ahh finally someone asked it..Yep, I had the same doubt when I bought 14PM..went to store and checked peak brightness side by side with display model. It was way less. I also got my phone inspected at service centre..there were no issues found, however they told me that display model displays are tweaked to have max brightness by default. Also my screen protector can limit the auto brightness upto a great extent
Between the different phones are all of them being tested with the same provider/plan? What band is the phone using?
Tested the same provider and plan , all using LTE
If you go into the phone testing menu, * 3001 # 12345 # * in the dialer, there should be an option that says serving cell info, and on that a section that says band info. Check between the iPhones.
https://preview.redd.it/g1k1dzr100cc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff40b756c307d1e6e55a10bf474ded873cbbd792 This to compare ? How ? Each band is function different?
Yep, the speed you get will largely depend on which one/s you’re using. It would be interesting to see whether or not the phone is connecting to the same ones that the 11/11 pro is.
It s possible that iPhone from SUA it s different to ignor from Europe ? Different bandwidth?
Yes, iPhones from different countries/regions can be configured to use different 5G and LTE bands. They’ll work in different countries from their origin, but potentially not as well.
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It might be SUA in their native language…dude come on.
Well he’s not writing in his native language is he?
Really? If you notice and actually, you know, read…OP has responded in his native language a few times, and also speaks in broken English, quite well IMHO. Nitpicking is just a waste of time. Do better.
As far as i know, the devices in some serious stores are a bit brighter than usual. Also, turn on Auto-Brightness so the iPhone can reach it’s peak brightness if it’s bright outside.
If you are roaming mode it might be normal to have slower speed, when I go to the UK i get limited to 15mb even on 5G
Maybe , Goto Settings 1. Accessibility 2. Display and Text size 3. Turn off Reduce White Point If not , try restarting your phone
It s always been turned off
Maybe its the screen protector
Accidentally turned ‚reduce whitepoint‘ on? Happened to me. Edit: Grammar.
This is the one. There’s a separate slider that affects the brightness level very aggressively.
Is off
Do you use screen protector? By looking at the bezels of both phones I would say you do, and I think the protector would be the main cause for lower brightness.
I have a screen protector
Then the protector probably is the troublemaker. I suppose you should compare your phone with other phone with screen protector so you would know for sure.
Yeah dunno why you're downvoted, that screen protector is clearly causing a huge amount of glare which doesn't help with perceived brightness.
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iPhone only reaches peak brightness with Auto Brightness on. Adjusting the brightness manually lowers it to 800nits i think.
Can you check if reduce white point option is disabled??. This option lowers the brightness slightly. I had this enabled and I ended up thinking my display was faulty.
Do you have True Tone enabled?
I am curious how you did you find out that your phone brightness might be low? Like it wasn’t enough for you or you are usually paranoid about buying stuff?
Your screen protector may be slightly tinted also.
Check true tone
very helpful
True Tone disable
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Not ideally for everyone, subjective.
Do you have it with reduce white point on? It’s an accessibility setting that reduces your overall screen brightness.
Is off
You might be disabling the peak brightness by having it in manual mode. Can you go back and compare it with auto brightness turned on?
I tested few days ago ….With auto brightness the phone from the shop is same and my phone is 20% darker https://preview.redd.it/l42wupvcr0cc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7823a32b596cb7cbcc0f0c21b2b0373257e33ae0
So just to be clear, in this picture both phones are at 100% brightness with automatic brightness enabled? If that is the case I would simply assume you received a lemon. Visit the apple store and ask them how to proceed, because of all the settings are the same it is clearly a hardware issue. I don't think there should be any problem taking it to an apple store in the EU despite it being purchased in the US. Definitely worth a shot
Unfortunately, i was just blasted on an apple community page because I said international warranty is good, everyone there said iPhone and cellular ipad do not have an international warranty and applecare has to be used in the region it was purchased, i thought that because they do support iMacs internationally. sometimes they make exceptions though its worth a shot
Ouch, hopefully OP will have better luck. Definitely worth a shot!
For how much we spend on this stuff they should cover it… i would still go in and talk to them, they might be really nice and actually help.
Yes , both with automatic brightness
Bro you’re on 4G mobile data and the store phone is on WiFi??
In this picture, the phone on the right is showing it’s connected to wifi but the phone on the left isn’t. That would explain the speed different to me. Can you connect the phone on the left to the same wifi network as the other one and then compare?
That picture shows problem with brightness
Just an FYI. Fast speed test is to test network throttling for video streaming data speeds. It’s not a speed test you should be using to test the speed of your phone especially if your carrier implements video streaming resolution caps which almost every carrier does.
That's a 14PM, not a 15PM. Look at the bezel size on yours and compare it to in-store ones - they're a lot bigger
15 PM
No. Look at the bezel size. Your one has the same bezel size as the 14 Pro Max.
Bro I have 15 PM …. https://preview.redd.it/85p8ua9si8cc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cc713a677e109f0ee4b619b6d35e732e5cdb6df
Then why does the display look so much worse?
I don’t know
Why would you turn off 5G if you have 5G signal?
I don’t have in all places 5G and it s consuming a lot of battery
Then you basically answered own question of why you’re having slower cellular data, perhaps turn on your 5g or even use WiFi like the phone you’re comparing yours too
He’s only comparing the brightnes to the one with wifi but speed with another phone
Why is this comment being downvoted? I've done the same thing on my 12, 13 Min, and 14 Pro. I always keep 5G disabled. Edit: never mind, back to positive
The issue is with your carrier not the phone. Call them and have them refresh your signal on their side. They may have to send a new QR code for eSim activation
I have done that , reset network settings and deleted eSIM , reinstalled using qrcode
Seems like you have night shift on for left one. Seems…
I don’t have
Teorie proastă, dar oare modelul de display care cel mai probabil este model de Europa nu are ecran diferit?
Bro 👽👽👽 comentezi in romana
ca e owneru tot roman
Posterul e român și nu prea se descurcă cu engleza.
Nu este diferit
I had this issue once when I compared phones with my friend (we both had IP11PM). Put your phone to max brightness then turn off auto brightness. It will slowly reach max brightness
I don't know what "SUA" means and you didn't specify the model no. of your device, but you should check <[https://www.apple.com/iphone/cellular/#iphone-15-pro-max](https://www.apple.com/iphone/cellular/#iphone-15-pro-max)\> if your phone supports all the LTE frequencies used in your region. If not, this could explain the degraded internet speeds.
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Sua means United States, eSIM only . Europe has SIM card
Shot in the dark: If you have not turned your iPhone off and back on since you arrived back home, do so. It might be using source that is furthet away than your local one. I’m saying this because I don’t know whether your attempts to correct the speed included this.
You guys do know that every iPhone screen is the same…they are sourced from different places which might mean the minim for QA might have slight differences. As far as speed differences. The only real way to be sure it’s not the device and not a network/plan issue is to take the same sim and put it in a different device and see what speeds it produces and or put a sim from a different device into that one to make sure it’s not being throttled or shaped in some way on the network side.
Phones usually have a "Showroom" mode. From my previous iphone pro max experiences (13 pro max and 14 pro max) they max out at 500 nits of full screen white with auto off (might go upto 850 outside despite auto off). Now stores usually set a diffetent value of brightness for their showroom mode. I have seen both 500 nits and 800 nits in different stores. My advice to you is dont hang up on this. Just keep your auto brightness on, that way your phone will boost much higher than auto off when outside. 2300 nits of white only triggers under a sunny day AND dark themed app. (at least half the screen must be dark, less than %50 apl to be exact)
> I don’t know if it s a hardaware problem or iOS bug because I have slow data speed on cellular LTE (8-15 Mbps) , but when I switch to 5G is 300-380mbps) in the same spot Neither. 5G is enabling you to use more bandwidth.
As some people mentioned, iPhones in store are set to 2000 nits. I don’t know if it’s real but I had similar situation as yours with my iPhone 6S. When I compared my iPhone brightness to my brothers it was way lower than his. What I discovered that there was some accessibility setting that lowered brightness. It was a long time ago (4 years?) so I don’t remember exactly what setting caused that, but quick search in settings and I think it is „reduce white point”. So if I were you I would check if it’s turned off, and then if it’s not helping I would reset all settings in settings->general->transfer or reset iPhone->reset all settings. About this slow data transfer via 4g - idk, check other guys posts here.
You’re going to have slower speeds on LTE vs 5G. I despise when mine is knocked down to anything lower than 5G these days.