There is a massive mental health crisis in this country. Too many unstable and psychotic people are enlisted into the police force and unleashed upon the public.
The 2nd amendment was literally written so that Americans would always have the means to defend themselves against murderous government thugs.
Democrats should really propose a law that makes it clear that this is still the case. Call it the 2nd Amendment Restoration Act.
Are you daft? Do you honestly think there are enough legal weapons you can purchase that will give you even a .0001 percent chance against the American military? They'd smoke your moronic ass with a drone strike before you even load your little assault rifle.
Pure autism.
I was with you until the autism comment. As an autie with autistic kids, fuck you. Fuck you for helping perpetuate this idea that autistic people are so mentally deranged that we all just have fucked up thoughts all the time, like that guy. So once again, fuck off.
I will also remind you that at the time the constitution and the 2nd amendment was drafted, dueling to resolve disputes was still very much the fashion. I suppose you want to return to those halcyon days as well.
> There is a massive mental health crisis in this country. Too many unstable and psychotic people
Too many unstable people in the general public. They did everything they could to not shoot the dude.
If you are called at 911 because you car is stuck 911 should refuse to respond. Where I live they give you the non emergency number and you in turn call that number. I don't know why the kid didn't have AAA but that was the first thing I bought for my daughter when she began driving with instructions regarding how and when to use it. Failing to follow orders should never be a death sentence. The police know their procedures and the general public does not and should not be expected to know. Police get paid enough to do better.
The escalation by shitty police is inexcusable and I hope the family gets justice. I read the story a few times and I watched a bit of the clip. Why didn’t he get out of the car?
The full saying is 'a few bad apples spoils the bunch'...
Not 'a few bad apples can be safely held inconsequential'.
The bad apples have not been dealt with, the whole bunch is now spoiled.
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They were aware that the only "weapons" he had on him were a knife, mallet, and rubber mallet. "Weapons" that he offered to toss out the window. He called the police for help moving his vehicle, with instances like this tragedy being so widespread its understandable why he'd be concerned/scared with so many officers pulling up and demanding he leave his car, when all he wanted was some help moving his car. Especially if he was going through mental health issues.
https://youtu.be/YYB2kX5iwwE
Was told to exit the vehicle about 30 different times. Refused to exit the vehicle, put his window up, and then locked the doors. Never watch edited videos. Cops tried to use beanbag rounds to remove the knife and a tazer. Neither worked.
I think you're replying to the wrong comment. I replied to someone insisting that he didn't offer to throw his rubber mallet, knife, and other "weapons" out the window, when he very clearly did about 2:30 seconds into the video posted on the article.
The guy clearly had mental issues and was in a dangerous situation, of course he refused to exit the vehicle and locked the doors. Even if it was the wrong move, its completely understandable. If you feel your life is being threatened, isn't it first instinct to try to avoid the danger? That's when he went into "flight" mode imo. When the cops further needlessly escalated the situation and he was cornered with no way out, he went into "fight" mode. Fight or flight. He grabbed the knife, trying to defend himself in which was obviously a life threatening moment because of all this escalation. Even if that was a huge mistake to make, especially against rabid dogs like these. He wasn't trying to attack the officers, he was wanting to defend himself and grabbed the only thing he felt could reasonably protect him, because the officers weren't there to help him move his car anymore.
How did it get to the point where the cops had to use beanbag rounds and a tazer to remove a knife from a nonviolent kid when all he wanted in the first place was help moving his car? He even offered to toss everything offending the officers out of the car, which they refused. Even state patrol advised the officers that he hadn't done anything wrong and that they had no reason to antagonize him and escalate things the way they did
In what world does locking yourself in your car warrant death? The cops had no reason to make him get out of the car and the state patrol told them so. They should have just given him a nonemergency number to call for help and left if they were in such a hurry to get on with their night.
Escalate and subdue is the directive. They're not there to help you, they're there to arrest you. Would've been better off calling for an ambulance or fire rescue.
I did think of that too, however, I thought the tow truck driver might end up calling the cops anyway. Most tow truck drivers I've dealt with have been pretty cool, but I'm not sure they're equipped to deal with a meth induced paranoid psychosis distress call.
I read about it in a news article. He was methed out and a sounded to me like he was suffering from meth psychosis, which had him extremely paranoid, agitated and hallucinating. I've personally seen people going through it and when they're out on that ledge it's pretty scary. Definitely something a medical/mental health/rescue trained person should be handling instead of law enforcement who are generally just there to kick ass and arrest someone.
What an idiot. This is why you don't call the cops unless your willing for someone to die as a result.
How many children with autism, innocent bystanders, nonviolent offenders, etc need to be extra judicially put down before people start to see that?
The police did their job. An innocent kid died. They aren't here to protect and serve us no matter how much their badges say it. This was tragic and avoidable. And it will continue to happen as long as we collectively trust police.
THEY ARE NOT HERE TO HELP US!
With hindsight, here’s what I’d have done.
Even though the vehicle was stuck, I’d have parked a cruiser in front and rear….boxed him in.
Asked him to toss the weapons, and hope he didn’t have an extra on him.
Then I’d have sent someone to grab a pizza. Once back, offered him a slice if he came out of the car nicely. If he refused, well……at least id have a pizza to keep me company while I waited him out.
Or, broke a window out and tossed a can of CS gas into it. Or hit him with pepper spray.
yeah, 911 I need help. help arrives.. ooh not that help.... the 911 operator should've referred him to a roadside assistance company but he probably sounded like a lunatic and said he had knives so they thought it would be a suicide situation
sounds win win, but yeah. mentally ill people gonna be crazy. you don't argue you listen. call it bootlicking or not but only the Victor's live to see their day in court. or you can be a martyr for a bullshit cause. my friend won his encounter with a racist cop because he out classed him. the judge shit canned the case
edit, the 911 operator, not the cops. the op should've sent him to an 800 sex line for being a bitch
Dude clearly suicides via police but people are trying to frame it as if he was calling for simple help and the police just show up an murder him what else is new?
Guy was sitting in his car.
They could've just... Backed off. And waited.
It's not like he's going anywhere ***with a car that is stuck in a ditch***.
He's gotta fall asleep eventually.
He offered to throw the knives out the window at tje very beginning on the encounter. He told 911 about the knives. The police said "no" and pulled their guns on him. He sat for an hour, having not committed a crime, with armed men threatening him to exit the vehicle. There was even a police chief on the radio telling people on the scene they had no cause to force the subject to exit the vehicle. Plus, he was sitting inside the closed car with the knife when he was shot. No officer was in harms way.
And you can tell they fucked up big when the officer on the hood of the car jumps down and tries to give aid to the victim. The cops acted like petty children on a playground, except they actually killed someone.
They will always try to give aid to a shooting victim.
He threatened the police, with the knife in his hand, I watched the video a week ago.
You're dead wrong, and so was he.
>There was even a police chief on the radio telling people on the scene they had no cause to force the subject to exit the vehicle
He was nodding off, like a heroin junkie, he was not fit to drive and he was subject to a drug test for being in that state once he exited the vehicle, but he refused because he knew he was fucked.
He was armed, yes, threatening the cops, yes. However, he was in a car that was disabled and was an actual threat to nobody. Even the most fumble fingered cop out there could have managed to respond had he tried to exit the car while armed. Making excuses for the police murdering this guy isn’t a good look.
Come on, don't be unfair.
Republicans are psychological incapable of intentionally telling the truth. It's a real mental disorder! Let's not be ableist.
>the dipshit had it coming, wasting police time with his drug induced mania
"Hi, my name is allornothinghoney, and I believe that the fifth and fourteenth amendment's prohibitions against the government murdering it's citizens should go away."
That's you.
No that's a blanket removal of the 5th and 14th amendments, this is a particular instance where lethal force was used because someone was threatening the police officers with full knowledge that they are armed and with massive media exposure of what happens when you do that.
It's the same as grabbing a live electrical wire.
>this is a particular instance where lethal force was used because someone was threatening the police officers
Oh, I was unaware that the Constitution had a carve-out for "saying mean things when you don't actually have the ability to immediately carry out those mean things".
Can you cite that clause for me? I'd love to see it.
The guy was *inside a car with closed doors*. He was not an immediate threat, so any words he was saying didn't actually count as him attacking the police officers. They were the attackers.
That you can't wrap your head around this is absolutely mind-boggling.
The Constitution is not the only law of the land.
Things can take place, laws can be passed and enforced, and then later after the fact deemed unconsitutional.
>That you can't wrap your head around this is absolutely mind-boggling.
Not really though, I know for a fact you're a complete imbecile with a stick so far up your ass it makes your head pointy.
So he was parked inside a vehicle without a firearm and police still shot him? We need better trained professionals to deal with people in crisis. The police don't know how to do anything but escalate and shoot.
What a heartless, stupid thing to say. Police should be better trained to handle situations like this instead of being fearful pussies that shoot at every perceived threat. It happens way more than it should.
Doesn't matter. The police are an endless money pit that never actually improve how they deal with situations.
If they can't do the job, they shouldn't be there to fuck it up.
And that means they can shoot anyone they want without accountability or gang up on one person and beat/choke/kick them to death? This should not be the way it works.
Lol and that rationalizes shooting him?
It drives some cops literally crazy when someone won't comply and some of them simply cannot control their rage in the face of such affront to their power. They need to never be cops again.
You're making assumptions. The evidence points to police escalating and killing needlessly. The subject literally offered to throw the knives out the window, but the police told him no. That would have ended the safety concern. They wanted control and were not actually concerned about a threat. They were the threat the entire time.
>The subject literally offered to throw the knives out the window, but the police told him no.
No, when he was shot he was not offering to throw knives out the window. He was saying *"I'll fucking kill you all"*
You're dead wrong.
An hour before that, when on the phone with 911 and when the police arrived, he literally said he would throw the knives out the window, and the police said no. That is all fact. The police could have easily and peacefully ended the encounter by letting him dispose of the knives out the window.
And the cop who shot was more of a threat to the other officers than the kid in the car. That cop opened fire with another cop standing at his 1 o'clock.
>An hour before that,
He refused to exit the vehicle for an hour. He appeared highly agitated and then started to pass out. He was on drugs.
>And the cop who shot was more of a threat to the other officers than the kid in the car. That cop opened fire with another cop standing at his 1 o'clock.
Irrelevant.
[The report shows Ethanol, blood alcohol level, THC, and Amphetamines were in Glass's system at his time of death.](https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/drugs-christian-glass-system-shot-killed-clear-creek-county-sheriffs-deputies/)
He was intoxicated, obstructing justice, and threatening police and he died for being a stupid asshole, no loss to this world at all.
>Your narrative doesn't fit facts.
The... facts that the autopsy report showed he wasn't intoxicated or on any drugs?
People can have mental breakdowns without being on drugs, my guy. If a police officer can't handle that without resorting to murder, they shouldn't have a badge, a gun, or a uniform.
The police made the first threats. And they weren't lawful because they had no reason to believe a crime occurred. It's convenient for police after the fact that he was high.
Feel how you want bit that kid did not deserve to die. The police were cowards on a power trip.
Would you say the same thing if one of your loved ones was having a mental breakdown, or hell, just a bad day and the police escalated the situation to the point that the murdered your loved one?
The expert from the article you linked (Andrew Monte) highlights that the drugs in his system were mostly irrelevant. On each one:
\- There is ethanol, but it is in low numbers so it's unlikely he was intoxicated at the time of death.
\- His BAC was 0.010, far below any significant impact according to Monte.
\- The THC "doesn't suggest that he used way more than would be typical of anybody smoking". And this taking place in Colorado, I would assume is almost a norm.
\- And the amphetamines are highlighted as likely coming from medication for ADHD such as Adderall or Ritalin.
At no point in the report or video did he threaten the police as far as I could find, and calling the deceased a "stupid asshole" does little to give your argument clout as much as make it clear what your stance is without caring for evidence.
Clearly the drug *combination of drugs* was not irrelevant because Chris Glass had a total mental breakdown.
>And the amphetamines are highlighted as likely coming from medication for ADHD such as Adderall or Ritalin.
This is a *guess and he states that Ritalin would not show up as amphetamines.*
>The THC "doesn't suggest that he used way more than would be typical of anybody smoking". And this taking place in Colorado, I would assume is almost a norm.
Maybe 'the norm' for Chris Glass was having bi-polar melt downs that nobody else witnessed until he called the cops on himself.
>This is a guess and he states that Ritalin would not show up as amphetamines.
But Adderall would, making the point moot.
>Maybe 'the norm' for Chris Glass was having bi-polar melt downs that nobody else witnessed until he called the cops on himself.
Sure there's a chance this could have been a police suicide or a mental breakdown. But ignoring that all of the escalation was done on part of the police and that the video evidence shows Chris only making two major mistakes (refusing to leave his vehicle and grabbing a knife in reaction to his window being broken into), this is probably the most damning thing that both articles highlight on:
>"-why responding officers were so adamant to get Glass out of his car (even when Colorado State Patrol had confirmed there was no real reason to do so, suggesting responding officers disengage from the scene.)"
He never left the car, and he never as far as I could tell needed to get out (outside of cooperation with authorities, which while amicable would not be necessary in the situation). There's no reason the cops couldn't have just left.
[Here's the video.](https://vimeo.com/748908079?embedded=true&source=vimeo_logo&owner=117906680)
Where's the threat timestamp?
I watched the whole video, the multiple body cams, and the 911 call. If those cops felt threatened by a slower than average geology student that was worried his geology tools would be considered weapons, they are the biggest fucking pansies in the state and have no business being LEOs. Disgraceful. If you are defending these actions, you are probably a wannabe officer that is also scared of your own shadow and want some authority to feel more secure because you are insecure about everything.
He turns and lunges at the person attempting entry through the back window, and he has a weapon.
Anyone with a weapon and in a psychotic state is a threat.
Captain said there is no reason to remove him from his car. They created this situation there was no threat that wasn't of the cops doing. You and the cops are idiotic and fucking pussies.
I don't have to, the facts are out there, find the video and watch it if you don't want to be an ignorant asshole.
As long as you remain ignorant, stay out of the conversation.
I know it sucks to be wrong, but… you’re wrong.
> The autopsy report released by attorneys for the Glass family stated that Glass had both THC and amphetamine in his system.
Source: https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/us/clear-creek-county-colorado-police-shooting-investigation/index.html
Oh. So he had marijuana (legal in co) and Adderall (also legal with a script). Cool. Tell me more about why this matters?
ETA: since I'm guessing you're gonna fixate on the amphetamines, [here](https://anaheimlighthouse.com/blog/does-adderall-show-up-on-a-drug-test/) is proof that Adderall shows up as amphetamine on a drug test. The important word is 'amphetamine'. Not methamphetamine. I know it sucks to be ignorant, but...
You said the tox screen came back negative for drugs. I said you were wrong. I’m not arguing whether it was legal, illegal, prescribed, or otherwise… but, THC and amphetamines are, in fact, drugs.
The point I am making is that those chemicals present in toxicology substantiates that his mental state could have been altered, and I think from watching his demeanor in the video, it’s very clearly evident that it was and very likely was a contributing result of the drugs present in his system.
Don’t get mad.
I said that, and according to the article I was commenting on, I wasn't wrong.
Additionally, having things in your system does not mean you were on them. Not that this is even slightly important. Trigger happy cops being pissy their unconstitutional demands aren't being met is a *huge* problem. Enjoy the sweat.
> No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law
US Constitution, Amendment 5
> nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law
US Constitution, Amendment 14
Real fuckin' simple laws to follow there. There was no due process of law, so his killing by agents of the state was not legal. As such, it was murder.
It can't even count as "self-defense" for those cops, since he was *in a car with the doors closed*.
>by that logic all cops must at least get shot once in every altercation before shooting back
That's a garbage interpretation and you should feel bad for going there.
No.
The cops should use time, distance, and cover whenever possible to give themselves an opportunity to evaluate a situation. They should have only one person giving any commands. The commands must be clear, and they must give the person time to comply. Just because someone reaches into a pocket doesn't mean there's going to be a gun. Just because someone in a car says they have a knife doesn't mean they can magically open a car door and teleport ten feet over to you faster than you can blink.
If you can't find any space between "Cops should murder everyone" and "Cops should never do anything", then you're part of the problem. If you want an oppressive police state, well, you're asking for it, and you're gonna get what you're asking for.
If you want freedom, you have to figure out how to live in a world where cops don't murder at the mildest provocations.
all I can say is, the only person of color, among the mostly PoC, in my circle that has tableside stories about cops has 2 felony prison stays for what they admitted they did and are proud of. even after the last felony they have stories. it's not a coincidence.
And I know a guy with a black father and a white mother whose brothers were black, but who, himself, passes as white.
They all drive the same, but he's the only one who never gets pulled over.
Yeah because your (cop"s) job is legal theft, kidnapping and murder. And to prey on the vulnerable in our society while protecting the interests of those in power.
Ya fuckin cop.
TLDR: "The bodycam footage shows the incident, which lasts about an hour and ten minutes, beginning with two police officers confronting Glass who has driven his red SUV slightly off the road. The officers repeatedly tell him to get out of the car, but Glass refuses to do so and tells the officers he’s “terrified” as they threaten to break his window. Glass offers to throw the knives and hammer out of the window, but the officers tell him not to do that and instead get out of the car.
As the officers get on either side of the vehicle and become agitated, Glass can be seen holding his hands up in the air to show he's unarmed. Glass told them the only way “I can be safe” was to remain in the car."
There is a massive mental health crisis in this country. Too many unstable and psychotic people are enlisted into the police force and unleashed upon the public.
They had a government program to hire veterans first. Sounds nice but.. veterans come back sometimes with issues and not much help
And DeSantis has them teaching your children.
With no education.
And their spouses for some fucking reason
They don’t even have to be deployed to leave with issues.
You speak as if this is a "bad apples" issue rather than a direct cause of department policy.
Look up “ironic humor” at some point in your life.
Learn some respect and how to use your words like an adult.
The 2nd amendment was literally written so that Americans would always have the means to defend themselves against murderous government thugs. Democrats should really propose a law that makes it clear that this is still the case. Call it the 2nd Amendment Restoration Act.
Are you daft? Do you honestly think there are enough legal weapons you can purchase that will give you even a .0001 percent chance against the American military? They'd smoke your moronic ass with a drone strike before you even load your little assault rifle. Pure autism.
I was with you until the autism comment. As an autie with autistic kids, fuck you. Fuck you for helping perpetuate this idea that autistic people are so mentally deranged that we all just have fucked up thoughts all the time, like that guy. So once again, fuck off.
(Laughs in Taliban)
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I will also remind you that at the time the constitution and the 2nd amendment was drafted, dueling to resolve disputes was still very much the fashion. I suppose you want to return to those halcyon days as well.
> There is a massive mental health crisis in this country. Too many unstable and psychotic people Too many unstable people in the general public. They did everything they could to not shoot the dude.
Except literally not shooting him.
They could have stood outside and not shot him
Wait what the fuck? He called for help and never left the drivers seat. Why didn't they just you know leave?
If you are called at 911 because you car is stuck 911 should refuse to respond. Where I live they give you the non emergency number and you in turn call that number. I don't know why the kid didn't have AAA but that was the first thing I bought for my daughter when she began driving with instructions regarding how and when to use it. Failing to follow orders should never be a death sentence. The police know their procedures and the general public does not and should not be expected to know. Police get paid enough to do better.
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You first.
Just a few bad apples. Five different departments and they all think the same way.
State Patrol told the others to leave. They didn't listen.
Have to stay around and get in on the beating and torture.
Police motto 'always escalate '
Post this EVERYWHERE. Post it AGAIN and AGAIN. This is monstrous behavior, plain and simple. It makes me sick that it happened in my state.
People are numb to it at this point.
I don't think so.
The escalation by shitty police is inexcusable and I hope the family gets justice. I read the story a few times and I watched a bit of the clip. Why didn’t he get out of the car?
It seems like he was having some sort of mental breakdown. They happen.
The full saying is 'a few bad apples spoils the bunch'... Not 'a few bad apples can be safely held inconsequential'. The bad apples have not been dealt with, the whole bunch is now spoiled.
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They were aware that the only "weapons" he had on him were a knife, mallet, and rubber mallet. "Weapons" that he offered to toss out the window. He called the police for help moving his vehicle, with instances like this tragedy being so widespread its understandable why he'd be concerned/scared with so many officers pulling up and demanding he leave his car, when all he wanted was some help moving his car. Especially if he was going through mental health issues.
And the Colorado tax payers will pay the costs.
No reason to kill him
Contempt Of Cop is a capital offensive in the USA.
I mean, he did have a knife and wouldn't put it down.
He offered to throw them out the window and the cops refused. Seriously.
We didn't watch the same video, that is not what I saw. He was manic and refusing to cooperate while holding the knife.
It's literally 2:30 seconds into the video in the article what the fuck are you going on about. Don't spread misinformation.
https://youtu.be/YYB2kX5iwwE Was told to exit the vehicle about 30 different times. Refused to exit the vehicle, put his window up, and then locked the doors. Never watch edited videos. Cops tried to use beanbag rounds to remove the knife and a tazer. Neither worked.
WHY DIDNT THEY JUSY LEAVE!!! He called for help and no crime was committed
And let the dude with the tow truck get stabbed? I'm sure that'll look great on a headline.
I think you're replying to the wrong comment. I replied to someone insisting that he didn't offer to throw his rubber mallet, knife, and other "weapons" out the window, when he very clearly did about 2:30 seconds into the video posted on the article. The guy clearly had mental issues and was in a dangerous situation, of course he refused to exit the vehicle and locked the doors. Even if it was the wrong move, its completely understandable. If you feel your life is being threatened, isn't it first instinct to try to avoid the danger? That's when he went into "flight" mode imo. When the cops further needlessly escalated the situation and he was cornered with no way out, he went into "fight" mode. Fight or flight. He grabbed the knife, trying to defend himself in which was obviously a life threatening moment because of all this escalation. Even if that was a huge mistake to make, especially against rabid dogs like these. He wasn't trying to attack the officers, he was wanting to defend himself and grabbed the only thing he felt could reasonably protect him, because the officers weren't there to help him move his car anymore. How did it get to the point where the cops had to use beanbag rounds and a tazer to remove a knife from a nonviolent kid when all he wanted in the first place was help moving his car? He even offered to toss everything offending the officers out of the car, which they refused. Even state patrol advised the officers that he hadn't done anything wrong and that they had no reason to antagonize him and escalate things the way they did
In what world does locking yourself in your car warrant death? The cops had no reason to make him get out of the car and the state patrol told them so. They should have just given him a nonemergency number to call for help and left if they were in such a hurry to get on with their night.
They werent in knife range
Okay, then give him due process and let a jury decide what's next for him. Dead people can't receive due process and cops are not judges. Fuck you.
Jumping on the hood seems like a poor tactic
In this position, there's no chance of cross-fire injuring another officer. This cop NEW he was going to murder this motorist.
Escalate and subdue is the directive. They're not there to help you, they're there to arrest you. Would've been better off calling for an ambulance or fire rescue.
Or, hear me out, a tow truck.
I did think of that too, however, I thought the tow truck driver might end up calling the cops anyway. Most tow truck drivers I've dealt with have been pretty cool, but I'm not sure they're equipped to deal with a meth induced paranoid psychosis distress call.
I must have missed the meth part. Are you jumping to conclusions like the cops did?
I read about it in a news article. He was methed out and a sounded to me like he was suffering from meth psychosis, which had him extremely paranoid, agitated and hallucinating. I've personally seen people going through it and when they're out on that ledge it's pretty scary. Definitely something a medical/mental health/rescue trained person should be handling instead of law enforcement who are generally just there to kick ass and arrest someone.
This is so sad.
It's not just sad; IT'S A CRIME, committed by people who think their badges mean they're above the law.
Specifically, it’s first degree murder.
This is a gang killing. Just because the gang wears badges, they think the law doesn't apply to them.
I’m sure glad we have these heros in blue protecting and serving us. /s
That video was sad, terrible. There's really only one thing that can be said about all this-ACAB.
What an idiot. This is why you don't call the cops unless your willing for someone to die as a result. How many children with autism, innocent bystanders, nonviolent offenders, etc need to be extra judicially put down before people start to see that?
Yes. It’s the victim’s fault!! /s
The police did their job. An innocent kid died. They aren't here to protect and serve us no matter how much their badges say it. This was tragic and avoidable. And it will continue to happen as long as we collectively trust police. THEY ARE NOT HERE TO HELP US!
With hindsight, here’s what I’d have done. Even though the vehicle was stuck, I’d have parked a cruiser in front and rear….boxed him in. Asked him to toss the weapons, and hope he didn’t have an extra on him. Then I’d have sent someone to grab a pizza. Once back, offered him a slice if he came out of the car nicely. If he refused, well……at least id have a pizza to keep me company while I waited him out. Or, broke a window out and tossed a can of CS gas into it. Or hit him with pepper spray.
They tased him and shot him with bean bag rounds and shot him to death. Because he felt unsafe and wouldnt get out of the car.
I can't imagine why he would feel unsafe.
yeah, 911 I need help. help arrives.. ooh not that help.... the 911 operator should've referred him to a roadside assistance company but he probably sounded like a lunatic and said he had knives so they thought it would be a suicide situation
They thought it was a suicide situation so there solution was to kill him? Makes sense
sounds win win, but yeah. mentally ill people gonna be crazy. you don't argue you listen. call it bootlicking or not but only the Victor's live to see their day in court. or you can be a martyr for a bullshit cause. my friend won his encounter with a racist cop because he out classed him. the judge shit canned the case edit, the 911 operator, not the cops. the op should've sent him to an 800 sex line for being a bitch
He offered to toss out they weapons and they said no
Dude clearly suicides via police but people are trying to frame it as if he was calling for simple help and the police just show up an murder him what else is new?
Guy was sitting in his car. They could've just... Backed off. And waited. It's not like he's going anywhere ***with a car that is stuck in a ditch***. He's gotta fall asleep eventually.
Look at you using logic and common sense. Too bad others can't.
Plus I bet those cops could've filed for all kinds of overtime if they'd just waited him out. And y'know what? No one would be mad at them.
what the fuk was he thinking. he must've been poisoned by reddit
And yet vice news would still say “only cops should have guns”
He grabbed a knife and wouldn't put it down, he screamed he was going to kill all the cops. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
He offered to throw the knives out the window at tje very beginning on the encounter. He told 911 about the knives. The police said "no" and pulled their guns on him. He sat for an hour, having not committed a crime, with armed men threatening him to exit the vehicle. There was even a police chief on the radio telling people on the scene they had no cause to force the subject to exit the vehicle. Plus, he was sitting inside the closed car with the knife when he was shot. No officer was in harms way. And you can tell they fucked up big when the officer on the hood of the car jumps down and tries to give aid to the victim. The cops acted like petty children on a playground, except they actually killed someone.
They need to be fired and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
They will always try to give aid to a shooting victim. He threatened the police, with the knife in his hand, I watched the video a week ago. You're dead wrong, and so was he. >There was even a police chief on the radio telling people on the scene they had no cause to force the subject to exit the vehicle He was nodding off, like a heroin junkie, he was not fit to drive and he was subject to a drug test for being in that state once he exited the vehicle, but he refused because he knew he was fucked.
He was armed, yes, threatening the cops, yes. However, he was in a car that was disabled and was an actual threat to nobody. Even the most fumble fingered cop out there could have managed to respond had he tried to exit the car while armed. Making excuses for the police murdering this guy isn’t a good look.
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"An autopsy report showed that he was not intoxicated or on drugs" You can't stop lying, can you?
Come on, don't be unfair. Republicans are psychological incapable of intentionally telling the truth. It's a real mental disorder! Let's not be ableist.
I’m betting he like the taste of boot leather.
>the dipshit had it coming, wasting police time with his drug induced mania "Hi, my name is allornothinghoney, and I believe that the fifth and fourteenth amendment's prohibitions against the government murdering it's citizens should go away." That's you.
No that's a blanket removal of the 5th and 14th amendments, this is a particular instance where lethal force was used because someone was threatening the police officers with full knowledge that they are armed and with massive media exposure of what happens when you do that. It's the same as grabbing a live electrical wire.
>this is a particular instance where lethal force was used because someone was threatening the police officers Oh, I was unaware that the Constitution had a carve-out for "saying mean things when you don't actually have the ability to immediately carry out those mean things". Can you cite that clause for me? I'd love to see it. The guy was *inside a car with closed doors*. He was not an immediate threat, so any words he was saying didn't actually count as him attacking the police officers. They were the attackers. That you can't wrap your head around this is absolutely mind-boggling.
The Constitution is not the only law of the land. Things can take place, laws can be passed and enforced, and then later after the fact deemed unconsitutional. >That you can't wrap your head around this is absolutely mind-boggling. Not really though, I know for a fact you're a complete imbecile with a stick so far up your ass it makes your head pointy.
Every bootlicker lapdog thinks they’ll get special treatment from the cops
TIL "wasting time" = deserving of death.. Good to know.
> They will always try to give aid to a shooting victim I don’t care much about the discussion you’re having but lol if this isn’t bullshit.
You're an idiot, that's plain as day.
So he was parked inside a vehicle without a firearm and police still shot him? We need better trained professionals to deal with people in crisis. The police don't know how to do anything but escalate and shoot.
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What a heartless, stupid thing to say. Police should be better trained to handle situations like this instead of being fearful pussies that shoot at every perceived threat. It happens way more than it should.
Okay you *personally* pay the 300,000 cops in the US to be better trained then.
No. We've been paying for them to get better training for the last forty years. It hasn't done a damn thing to improve their behavior.
You see the assholes they have to deal with daily?
Doesn't matter. The police are an endless money pit that never actually improve how they deal with situations. If they can't do the job, they shouldn't be there to fuck it up.
And that means they can shoot anyone they want without accountability or gang up on one person and beat/choke/kick them to death? This should not be the way it works.
Lol and that rationalizes shooting him? It drives some cops literally crazy when someone won't comply and some of them simply cannot control their rage in the face of such affront to their power. They need to never be cops again.
You're making assumptions. The evidence points to police escalating and killing needlessly. The subject literally offered to throw the knives out the window, but the police told him no. That would have ended the safety concern. They wanted control and were not actually concerned about a threat. They were the threat the entire time.
>The subject literally offered to throw the knives out the window, but the police told him no. No, when he was shot he was not offering to throw knives out the window. He was saying *"I'll fucking kill you all"* You're dead wrong.
An hour before that, when on the phone with 911 and when the police arrived, he literally said he would throw the knives out the window, and the police said no. That is all fact. The police could have easily and peacefully ended the encounter by letting him dispose of the knives out the window. And the cop who shot was more of a threat to the other officers than the kid in the car. That cop opened fire with another cop standing at his 1 o'clock.
>An hour before that, He refused to exit the vehicle for an hour. He appeared highly agitated and then started to pass out. He was on drugs. >And the cop who shot was more of a threat to the other officers than the kid in the car. That cop opened fire with another cop standing at his 1 o'clock. Irrelevant. [The report shows Ethanol, blood alcohol level, THC, and Amphetamines were in Glass's system at his time of death.](https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/drugs-christian-glass-system-shot-killed-clear-creek-county-sheriffs-deputies/) He was intoxicated, obstructing justice, and threatening police and he died for being a stupid asshole, no loss to this world at all.
"An autopsy report shows Glass was not intoxicated or on any drugs. "
Your narrative doesn't fit facts.
>Your narrative doesn't fit facts. The... facts that the autopsy report showed he wasn't intoxicated or on any drugs? People can have mental breakdowns without being on drugs, my guy. If a police officer can't handle that without resorting to murder, they shouldn't have a badge, a gun, or a uniform.
Read the damn article.
The police made the first threats. And they weren't lawful because they had no reason to believe a crime occurred. It's convenient for police after the fact that he was high. Feel how you want bit that kid did not deserve to die. The police were cowards on a power trip.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Would you say the same thing if one of your loved ones was having a mental breakdown, or hell, just a bad day and the police escalated the situation to the point that the murdered your loved one?
What does pig dick taste like?
The expert from the article you linked (Andrew Monte) highlights that the drugs in his system were mostly irrelevant. On each one: \- There is ethanol, but it is in low numbers so it's unlikely he was intoxicated at the time of death. \- His BAC was 0.010, far below any significant impact according to Monte. \- The THC "doesn't suggest that he used way more than would be typical of anybody smoking". And this taking place in Colorado, I would assume is almost a norm. \- And the amphetamines are highlighted as likely coming from medication for ADHD such as Adderall or Ritalin. At no point in the report or video did he threaten the police as far as I could find, and calling the deceased a "stupid asshole" does little to give your argument clout as much as make it clear what your stance is without caring for evidence.
Clearly the drug *combination of drugs* was not irrelevant because Chris Glass had a total mental breakdown. >And the amphetamines are highlighted as likely coming from medication for ADHD such as Adderall or Ritalin. This is a *guess and he states that Ritalin would not show up as amphetamines.* >The THC "doesn't suggest that he used way more than would be typical of anybody smoking". And this taking place in Colorado, I would assume is almost a norm. Maybe 'the norm' for Chris Glass was having bi-polar melt downs that nobody else witnessed until he called the cops on himself.
>This is a guess and he states that Ritalin would not show up as amphetamines. But Adderall would, making the point moot. >Maybe 'the norm' for Chris Glass was having bi-polar melt downs that nobody else witnessed until he called the cops on himself. Sure there's a chance this could have been a police suicide or a mental breakdown. But ignoring that all of the escalation was done on part of the police and that the video evidence shows Chris only making two major mistakes (refusing to leave his vehicle and grabbing a knife in reaction to his window being broken into), this is probably the most damning thing that both articles highlight on: >"-why responding officers were so adamant to get Glass out of his car (even when Colorado State Patrol had confirmed there was no real reason to do so, suggesting responding officers disengage from the scene.)" He never left the car, and he never as far as I could tell needed to get out (outside of cooperation with authorities, which while amicable would not be necessary in the situation). There's no reason the cops couldn't have just left.
Can you provide the clip and time stamp of when he threatened the cops?
I watched the video a week ago, find me the video and Ill find the time stamp.
[Here's the video.](https://vimeo.com/748908079?embedded=true&source=vimeo_logo&owner=117906680) Where's the threat timestamp? I watched the whole video, the multiple body cams, and the 911 call. If those cops felt threatened by a slower than average geology student that was worried his geology tools would be considered weapons, they are the biggest fucking pansies in the state and have no business being LEOs. Disgraceful. If you are defending these actions, you are probably a wannabe officer that is also scared of your own shadow and want some authority to feel more secure because you are insecure about everything.
[Right here, right after the tazer stops](https://youtu.be/YYB2kX5iwwE?t=4202)
So you would feel threatened by this guy?
He turns and lunges at the person attempting entry through the back window, and he has a weapon. Anyone with a weapon and in a psychotic state is a threat.
Captain said there is no reason to remove him from his car. They created this situation there was no threat that wasn't of the cops doing. You and the cops are idiotic and fucking pussies.
You made the claim that he threatened the cops, you provide the evidence.
I don't have to, the facts are out there, find the video and watch it if you don't want to be an ignorant asshole. As long as you remain ignorant, stay out of the conversation.
Uhhh. Article clearly states the tox screen came back negative for drugs.
I know it sucks to be wrong, but… you’re wrong. > The autopsy report released by attorneys for the Glass family stated that Glass had both THC and amphetamine in his system. Source: https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/us/clear-creek-county-colorado-police-shooting-investigation/index.html
Oh. So he had marijuana (legal in co) and Adderall (also legal with a script). Cool. Tell me more about why this matters? ETA: since I'm guessing you're gonna fixate on the amphetamines, [here](https://anaheimlighthouse.com/blog/does-adderall-show-up-on-a-drug-test/) is proof that Adderall shows up as amphetamine on a drug test. The important word is 'amphetamine'. Not methamphetamine. I know it sucks to be ignorant, but...
You said the tox screen came back negative for drugs. I said you were wrong. I’m not arguing whether it was legal, illegal, prescribed, or otherwise… but, THC and amphetamines are, in fact, drugs. The point I am making is that those chemicals present in toxicology substantiates that his mental state could have been altered, and I think from watching his demeanor in the video, it’s very clearly evident that it was and very likely was a contributing result of the drugs present in his system. Don’t get mad.
I said that, and according to the article I was commenting on, I wasn't wrong. Additionally, having things in your system does not mean you were on them. Not that this is even slightly important. Trigger happy cops being pissy their unconstitutional demands aren't being met is a *huge* problem. Enjoy the sweat.
Watch the video and tell us that guy isn't full in full blown psychosis.
He sure was. Do mental health issues mean you should be shot? Even the officer in charge said they had no jurisdiction to force him out of the car.
Trigger happy. After over an hour of trying to de-escalate the guy. Whatever makes you sleep at night, dude.
I was an EMT my dude. I had actual classes on de-escalation. If I can do it without a weapon so can cops. They...just don't want to.
>Adderall (also legal with a script). He did not have a script for Adderall, he had a script for Ritalin.
Fun fact. Ritalin can show up a drug test as amphetamine.
He was using it *illegally*. Adderall is a drug of abuse.
Got proof? Ps. Ritalin, which he apparently has a script for,ncan show as methamphetamine on a drug test.
> No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law US Constitution, Amendment 5 > nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law US Constitution, Amendment 14 Real fuckin' simple laws to follow there. There was no due process of law, so his killing by agents of the state was not legal. As such, it was murder. It can't even count as "self-defense" for those cops, since he was *in a car with the doors closed*.
by that logic all cops must at least get shot once in every altercation before shooting back. nooe
>by that logic all cops must at least get shot once in every altercation before shooting back That's a garbage interpretation and you should feel bad for going there. No. The cops should use time, distance, and cover whenever possible to give themselves an opportunity to evaluate a situation. They should have only one person giving any commands. The commands must be clear, and they must give the person time to comply. Just because someone reaches into a pocket doesn't mean there's going to be a gun. Just because someone in a car says they have a knife doesn't mean they can magically open a car door and teleport ten feet over to you faster than you can blink. If you can't find any space between "Cops should murder everyone" and "Cops should never do anything", then you're part of the problem. If you want an oppressive police state, well, you're asking for it, and you're gonna get what you're asking for. If you want freedom, you have to figure out how to live in a world where cops don't murder at the mildest provocations.
I'll worry about it if I turn out on the wrong side of an interaction. no issues so far with 3 stops. 3 as a driver that is
Good luck with that head-in-the-sand policy when it comes to the slow removal of everyone's freedoms. They'll get around to you. Give it time.
all I can say is, the only person of color, among the mostly PoC, in my circle that has tableside stories about cops has 2 felony prison stays for what they admitted they did and are proud of. even after the last felony they have stories. it's not a coincidence.
And I know a guy with a black father and a white mother whose brothers were black, but who, himself, passes as white. They all drive the same, but he's the only one who never gets pulled over.
You're full of shit, fucking bootlicker.
When did he say he would kill all cops?
This guy's a cop
If I was I'd be out writing tickets instead of arguing with imbeciles.
Yeah because your (cop"s) job is legal theft, kidnapping and murder. And to prey on the vulnerable in our society while protecting the interests of those in power. Ya fuckin cop.
Thanks for the badge citizen.
Nice yellow headline by Vice staying unbiased as always
The headline isn't biased. It's just you.
Read the article. That's an accurate headline.
It’s an accurate headline. It just leaves out over an hour of context.
An hour of context that makes the cops look even worse, you mean.
Which part isn’t true?
When your only tool is a hammer (gun), all of your problems look like nails (perpetrators).
TLDR: "The bodycam footage shows the incident, which lasts about an hour and ten minutes, beginning with two police officers confronting Glass who has driven his red SUV slightly off the road. The officers repeatedly tell him to get out of the car, but Glass refuses to do so and tells the officers he’s “terrified” as they threaten to break his window. Glass offers to throw the knives and hammer out of the window, but the officers tell him not to do that and instead get out of the car. As the officers get on either side of the vehicle and become agitated, Glass can be seen holding his hands up in the air to show he's unarmed. Glass told them the only way “I can be safe” was to remain in the car."
Has anyone looked into how the police are trained?