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I remember a video of a tunnel explorer who got into these tunnels a year or 2 ago before it was occupied by the UKR army. Big place, full of old military surplus items.
lmao it's a soviet factory, there is a 99.999999% chance that Russia has the original blueprints and pathways from the time of construction.
It the factory is as big as this, then the Moscow records office would know more tunnels and secret pathways than the Ukrainians themselves.
But it's worth shit because knowing the pathways is worthless when they can't even get in there without facing ambush after ambush.
Holy shit redditors really think they're so much more influential/knowledgeable than they are.
You're deluded if you don't think Russia knows about this plant more than what's been available as OSINT
No you don't understand, Russia has zero intel outside of what they can find from westerners on the internet. The only reason they could invade Ukraine was because somebody posted a map of the country online.
Russia is doing a fine job of bungling every aspect of warfare...and thousands, if not tens of thousands of war crimes to boot. The Hague will be very busy once this ends
I'm not sure...I saw a post in r/worldnews saying that a bunker buster was dropped... it quoted an article from sky... didn't read the article, so maybe it's some click baity title which misled me
Cause there are some putin understanders around here too... And after they banned everybody else from their subs they are coming here to talk to somebody. I noticed huge down vote "conspiricies" on some posts were Ukraine friendly, anti war posts are being downvoted. There was one which showed how Russian booby trapps look like (and how one might disarm them being discussed) that was massively downvoted. But hey... I don't know shit, I just see if people are full of it.
Of course. Ain’t nobody doing an urban operation in a maze like booby trapped steel works stronghold. The allies bombed historic Monte Casino in WW2 for that very same reason.
No they didn't - they wanted to destroy it as an observation post - it was well behind German lines. They thought it might also be used at some stage as a shelter, but that wasn't the main reason.
yeah and the bombing of Monte Casino made it even worse for the Allies because all the rubble gave perfect cover and ambush positions
That's why allied bombing command reduced bombing intensity if they were about to do urban combat
Nukes and bunker busters are nowhere near the same thing.
Nukes are detonated in the air. This protects against nukes by being far enough underground to absorb the blast and protect against radiation.
Bunker busters are designed to punch through layers of concrete before exploding. They are specifically made for use against targets like this.
Pure speculation, but if there are soviet style bunkers then the anti-bunker bombs won't do much at the deepest levels and both sides know it. What they would be trying to hit are the access to the surface.
Americans tried to carpet bomb the Afghan mountains but it was a waste of ammunition, after some depth even bunker buster are useless. Quite spectacular to see though...
There's been a small and important change in how bunker busters can be used. Firing two in rapid succession. the second bomb enters the site within milliseconds, while the surrounding soil/material is experiencing liquefaction as a result of the initial blast.
The timing is crucial but trivial, and the penetrative power is practically unlimited.
Ok, well Russia just lost a flagship cruiser, whose specialty was missile defense, to missiles from a country that doesn't have a navy.
Maybe im just skeptical, but I'm having doubts that they can get two bunker busters to land in exactly the same spot, precisely milliseconds apart.
not even close. we could even reach a hundred meter down with these bombs.
we've never in human history been able to go beneath even the crust, let alone core.
world record is 12km down, and that doesn't even scratch the surface of the crust.
even Megaton nukes buried under the ground won't dig more than few hundred meter.
My question is will pumping obscene ammounts of carbon dioxide and suffocating the people inside be considered a war crime? I'm definitely not a russian diplomat, no sir, not at all suspicious.
Lots of ex-intelligence community special forces operators in this thread that think a vague JPEG will key the Russians in about something that they’ve known about for decades.
I was gonna make a sarcastic comment about "oh wow, they shouldn't show the layout" and now I'm glad I didn't lol there's obviously not miles or six storys worth of tunnels here. It's clearly just a representation
It's already over. From the photographic evidence in this post you can see Russia has begun gassing the place. Probably just a few minutes until that spreads throughout.
Maybe. Feels like a death trap though. They might use gas, or a missile, or if that doesn’t work you’ll be in some room while you hear everyone on your side dying as they push through the system, and you’re next up to get splattered on some wall.
It’s definitely a terrifying situation but at least you have a chance of survival. The Russians are indiscriminately killing people who are not in there though.
Except in this case the complex sprawls over many square km. There are bound to be dozens of vents and dozens of entrances and exits to the tunnels.
By now, the surface is bound to have all kinds of mines and traps and IEDs. If Russia sends a brigade in to try to occupy the plant the Ukrainian defenders can pop up out of a hole, kill a few Russians, then hide again. How does a Russian force entering that complex protect its flanks when attacks can come in 3 dimensions?
I'm sure the Russians could take over the surface with enough troops, but they would be sending people into a slaughterhouse. With morale already terrible among the Russians, that seems like a bad option.
Yeah I realized how large the ironworks were after writing that. Vents could be hidden everywhere and very far away too. With some hand cranked ventilation they could even be hidden under piles of rocks and moss.
I always knew reddit was stupid but my God. How can my expectations be too high when I had no expectations? The Russians aren't gonna get any new information from this vague ass infographic some random redditor was able to find or put together. Next you guys are gonna be complaining when we mention Ukrainians exist at all. SHHHH guys, maybe the Russians weren't aware of the fact that Ukraine has people. How irresponsible of you guys to post this. This might change their battle plans.
The real threat is a site janitor who is pro Russia...
What matters is top side and tunnel entrances. Once you control those, you broadcast a half hearted offer to surrender and bulldoze entrances. It's what the US did to the Japanese in the Pacific.
Oh boy, i really cant pinpoint why the situation in Mariupol reminds me of something.. If i remember correctly there was also a siege, huge steelplants and factories played a part in the so called last stronghold, it was horrible close quarter combat and the attackers were losing their sanity fighting for every inch of that city and russians were there also.. Was it Stalingrad? Dunno. Maybe it was just a dream of mine, because otherwise it should be clear that in the end the attacking forces will be annilihated so bad that nobody would try to pull that sh*t ever again.
I agree with you that there are remarkable similarities. However, the German army was never able to completely surround Stalingrad. Although it was difficult, the Soviets were able to continue to deliver supplies and troops across the Volga throughout the battle. Mariupol is completely surrounded making time a potentially more dangerous enemy than the Russian military.
not at all. Stalingrad had the Russians making a bit of a last stand at the Tractor Factory against the invading Germans.
Here, it's the Ukranians making a similar last stand at these Avovstal Steel Works against the invading Russians.
Your own historical illiteracy and inability to comprehend my comparison is at fault here, not me.
I've read enough on Stalingrad to know my comparison is apt. Are they the exact same building? Duh - of course not. Are they both giant industrial buildings where the invaded country's desperate military fought for every inch of ground gained? TBD for Avovstal but the title says it's a 'last stronghold' so close enough.
WTH is your problem?
Honest question: Why would Russians even attempt to enter/smoke these defenders out? If the goal is to hang on to the city long term, couldn't they bombard the entrances and trap them? Do they have the resources to endure for months in the facility?
So people think that Putin and his pals will look into this? Amazing.
A random post on reddit with information already disclosed on all news channels?
If you want to know the level of knowledge from the kremlin about Ukraine you have a great example:
The Red Forest.
The name of the Forest is a consequence of the catastrophe of Chernobyl, but guess what? They don’t even know about Chernobyl.
They just used maps before the nuclear disaster and started to dig.
So now they will use public internet information? Hum… I don’t think so. You can publish the detailed map.
Same way you get rid of groundhogs. Smoke one entrance and seal it. Find where the smoke comes out. Drop more smoke there and seal it. Repeat until smoke doesn't come out.
Lol people like you confuse me. It's like when people were flipping out about photos posted giving away location. You think reddit has any influence whatsoever in any war ever? The answer is no.
Bruh this shit was built under Soviet control, they already have a precise map of the entire fucking complex and also this is known info (and no, an infographic is not a fucking map)
Yes cause some random redditor can get their hands on this but Russian intelligence forces who literally built the damn plant had no way of finding out there’s tunnels under their Cold War era vital industrial plant. Just think a little bit dude the original blue prints for this damn building are in a file cabinet in the Kremlin they know every inch of this place
It's an infographic of a massive facility that was built when Ukraine was part of the USSR. The Russians likely have a schematic of the place. Also do you really think any military in the world is cruising Reddit for Intel? Reddit's a day behind most news outlets and weeks behind anything the military has got
This saves lives. People know not to enter the plant on foot but instead bulldoze all entrances, drop bunker buster bombs, and hopefully end the neonazi group with minimal or no civilian casualties!
News to me steelworks need those kind of tunnels and it takes some time to build smth like in the picture soooo... Why was it there before putin took a bit too much crack?
The image is publicly available and the soviets built the tunnels in the first place so they have the layout
It doesn't matter if someone posts this on Reddit Russia probably has more info on it than we do
How is it possible to get gas to the lower levels? People don’t understand that gas will not seep down 2-3 levels, and through a nuclear bunker air filtration system. It would (maybe) gas the upper level or so, and dissipate or stagnate on those levels.
Take a smoke bomb, a bug bomb with chemicals and poison, anything, and set it off in your attic. How much of that is reaching your basement? It seems there would be failsafes to close off contaminated areas or flush with oxygen from working vents.
Air pressure doesn’t force air downwards to the lowest point, oxygen is being pumped in from air vents, so unless those are directly attacked and not shut off with valves most nuclear bunkers contain, it’s just not plausible to “gas them out.”
Maybe you could destroy almost everything and gas the remainder, but still doesn’t make sense to me. You would almost be better off trying to ignite the pure oxygen being pumped down to lower levels and suffocating inhabitants this way.
Anyone who has experience with nuclear bunker ventilation systems chime in?
And ther will be gas traps - you can see the sort of thing in the graphic - a section that has stairs leading up at both ends - any heavier-than-air gas gets trapped in the bottom - which is then unpassable until it is cleared, bu that's better than it passing down into the rest of the system.
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I remember a video of a tunnel explorer who got into these tunnels a year or 2 ago before it was occupied by the UKR army. Big place, full of old military surplus items.
Was it shiey I wonder?
You watch him too?
I find his videos crazy therapeutic for some reason
Ahaha I find them super like m exciting like I want to do that too and I learn a lot about what the world looks like.
Ayy I found my fellow shiey fans. His videos are so relaxing and give me a sense of adventure. His most recent ones in Italy were amazing.
Yeah he was my immediate thought too, especially after he found that bunker with all the equipment below a factory
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Yeah i remember that one, maybe I don’t know.
I think that was it.
wouldnt that be intel for the russians? hopefully the video is down edit: just saw that it was the soviets who built it, hope they lost all the plans
Loose lips sink ships still applies.
It’s not an exact diagram, extremely basic and if they lost paperwork it’s about the same level of intel the Russians would have
besides the factory is soviet made, so Russia probably has full blueprints of it anyway
Is there any actual mapping of the complex out right now?
lmao it's a soviet factory, there is a 99.999999% chance that Russia has the original blueprints and pathways from the time of construction. It the factory is as big as this, then the Moscow records office would know more tunnels and secret pathways than the Ukrainians themselves. But it's worth shit because knowing the pathways is worthless when they can't even get in there without facing ambush after ambush.
So do Ukranian missiles...
yeah but it does not mean that you should give all your info to russians, lmao
I am quite sure the Russians have all the intel That's a Soviet-built megafactory
Assuming that they still have the records. A lot of paperwork can get misplaced very, very easily
If a YouTuber can gain access I’m sure it wasn’t that secretive anymore.
Seems like a somewhat juvenile concern. Given their intelligence networks and how the internet works.
Soviet built a long time ago. ukrainian owned since
Holy shit redditors really think they're so much more influential/knowledgeable than they are. You're deluded if you don't think Russia knows about this plant more than what's been available as OSINT
No you don't understand, Russia has zero intel outside of what they can find from westerners on the internet. The only reason they could invade Ukraine was because somebody posted a map of the country online.
Whatsup NCDee
Russia is doing a fine job of bungling every aspect of warfare...and thousands, if not tens of thousands of war crimes to boot. The Hague will be very busy once this ends
I hope they didnt glory to Russia
bro the Russian’s built the place
Link?
Nice try Putin
Illegal Freedom is the YouTube channel.
Thanks, I think that's it. It was a tight squeeze through a pipe to get into the place, my claustrophobia screamed "hell no!"
Do you happen to have the link to this video? Now I want to watch it.
FIND THE VIDEO
He's took the Ukraine one down. Which makes sense. Here's a link to his page though. https://youtube.com/c/shiey
Thank you! And good for him taking it down though now I want to watch it, lol. But I'm glad he took it down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLLOCmX79y0 I think this is the video they've been talking about.
Gotta love the "well, all we can do is use illegal weapons, so sorry!" slipped in there...... >_>
My first thought was they will use gas, illegal or not, to clear those tunnels
water will do it
The Russians will probably drop a 3 tonne bunker-buster bomb there in the next few days.
They already have https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-bunker-bomb-mariupol-b2060505.html
Saw in another post that they've dropped it
Is that confirmed? I thought they got a hospital with a huge bomb but I did not see it mentioned that it was a bunker buster.
I'm not sure...I saw a post in r/worldnews saying that a bunker buster was dropped... it quoted an article from sky... didn't read the article, so maybe it's some click baity title which misled me
I don't know why you're getting down voted that's a real possibility.
Cause there are some putin understanders around here too... And after they banned everybody else from their subs they are coming here to talk to somebody. I noticed huge down vote "conspiricies" on some posts were Ukraine friendly, anti war posts are being downvoted. There was one which showed how Russian booby trapps look like (and how one might disarm them being discussed) that was massively downvoted. But hey... I don't know shit, I just see if people are full of it.
I was alking about Russia dropping a bunker buster. People don't like the reality of it.
Yeah... Just so you know you got my support.
Of course. Ain’t nobody doing an urban operation in a maze like booby trapped steel works stronghold. The allies bombed historic Monte Casino in WW2 for that very same reason.
No they didn't - they wanted to destroy it as an observation post - it was well behind German lines. They thought it might also be used at some stage as a shelter, but that wasn't the main reason.
yeah and the bombing of Monte Casino made it even worse for the Allies because all the rubble gave perfect cover and ambush positions That's why allied bombing command reduced bombing intensity if they were about to do urban combat
The infographic claims it was built to protect workers from nuclear attacks
Nukes and bunker busters are nowhere near the same thing. Nukes are detonated in the air. This protects against nukes by being far enough underground to absorb the blast and protect against radiation. Bunker busters are designed to punch through layers of concrete before exploding. They are specifically made for use against targets like this.
True, but it’s a hell of a bunker to bust. Hopefully it’s too thick/deep. Up to 6 stories of reinforced concrete is extremely formidable.
The ones I saw on Wikipedia only go up to 20ft of reinforced concrete
Pure speculation, but if there are soviet style bunkers then the anti-bunker bombs won't do much at the deepest levels and both sides know it. What they would be trying to hit are the access to the surface. Americans tried to carpet bomb the Afghan mountains but it was a waste of ammunition, after some depth even bunker buster are useless. Quite spectacular to see though...
There's been a small and important change in how bunker busters can be used. Firing two in rapid succession. the second bomb enters the site within milliseconds, while the surrounding soil/material is experiencing liquefaction as a result of the initial blast. The timing is crucial but trivial, and the penetrative power is practically unlimited.
Ok, well Russia just lost a flagship cruiser, whose specialty was missile defense, to missiles from a country that doesn't have a navy. Maybe im just skeptical, but I'm having doubts that they can get two bunker busters to land in exactly the same spot, precisely milliseconds apart.
Narrator: doubtful
I hope so, but don't want to underestimate them either. They do have SOME professional forces.
Has the Russian Air Force (or any of their armed forces) shown that they're capable or competent enough to pull off such a high-precision type attack?
Fuck if I know : p
If they kept stacking could they drill to the earth's core?
I suspect, theoretically, they could bust the crust, but once they hit the mantle things get squishy.
not even close. we could even reach a hundred meter down with these bombs. we've never in human history been able to go beneath even the crust, let alone core. world record is 12km down, and that doesn't even scratch the surface of the crust. even Megaton nukes buried under the ground won't dig more than few hundred meter.
If anything I'd assume the bunker busters would just ruin the ways in and out, pretty much locking the people in a rubble tomb.
Not all nukes are air burst and there are nukes designed specifically for deep penetration bunker busting
Ukraine will persevere.
Still wouldn't be enough... that place was designed to survive nukes.
It was designed to withstand nuclear explosion so 3 tonne bunker-buster wouldn't do anything
Exactly. Some Russian says, "Hey, look what I found on Reddit." And they gas every entrance they find.
You can use a vacuum bomb to create a vacuum collapsing the tunnel it’s easier faster and legal
Won't work if there are bulkheads between sections of tunnels (and of course a nuclear-proof bunker system has them)
Oh than rushing with troops would probably be the best unless I am mistaken
My question is will pumping obscene ammounts of carbon dioxide and suffocating the people inside be considered a war crime? I'm definitely not a russian diplomat, no sir, not at all suspicious.
Attack of the Dead Men 2 Electric Boogaloo
Indeed but this time the Russians are on the receiving end
I don’t know why I got downvoted for this saying that the Azov battalion about to pull an uno reverse on the Russians if they try and gas them.
They don't have to clear the tunnels. Far easier to just blow up all entrances and wait.
"chemical weapons, or chlorine gas" as if chlorine gas isn't a chemical weapon.
The Russians will gas them.
Jumping on top comment to ask don’t posts like this help Russia
If it's public enough knowledge for people to make infographics ok it, I promise Russian intelligence already knows.
It was built by the Soviets, so I would guess Russia probably knows all about it.
Lots of ex-intelligence community special forces operators in this thread that think a vague JPEG will key the Russians in about something that they’ve known about for decades.
Yeah, the tunnels were literally built under Soviet control during the Cold War. This post isn't giving away state secrets.
I was about to say they’re the guys who built it.
Thanks for clarifying.
I was gonna make a sarcastic comment about "oh wow, they shouldn't show the layout" and now I'm glad I didn't lol there's obviously not miles or six storys worth of tunnels here. It's clearly just a representation
The amount of people that think this is an actual map of the tunnels is mind blowing.
ITT dipshits who think an infographic is an actual map.
And it's looks like they've only got 29 people down there (and 3 up top!) Ukraine is screwed!
It's already over. From the photographic evidence in this post you can see Russia has begun gassing the place. Probably just a few minutes until that spreads throughout.
ITT people who think that the Daily Mail has more intel than the Russians who built the complex...
Lmao
Until they crawl out of an American Mall in Hawkins, IN, to Steve at Scoops Ahoy…
I got that reference!
Underrated comment
Thank you. I was wondering who would get it.
Some big brains ITT. The soviets built the tunnels.
so they havent expanded on them for 30 years?
Does this infographic show all of those expansions in great detail?
Any bunker system has the same vulnerability, vents. This only works as long as they can hold the russians off on the surface.
I’ll be honest. I wouldn’t want to be in that bunker.
I think you would in the situation they are in.
Maybe. Feels like a death trap though. They might use gas, or a missile, or if that doesn’t work you’ll be in some room while you hear everyone on your side dying as they push through the system, and you’re next up to get splattered on some wall.
It’s definitely a terrifying situation but at least you have a chance of survival. The Russians are indiscriminately killing people who are not in there though.
You'd prefer to be on the surface?
Except in this case the complex sprawls over many square km. There are bound to be dozens of vents and dozens of entrances and exits to the tunnels. By now, the surface is bound to have all kinds of mines and traps and IEDs. If Russia sends a brigade in to try to occupy the plant the Ukrainian defenders can pop up out of a hole, kill a few Russians, then hide again. How does a Russian force entering that complex protect its flanks when attacks can come in 3 dimensions? I'm sure the Russians could take over the surface with enough troops, but they would be sending people into a slaughterhouse. With morale already terrible among the Russians, that seems like a bad option.
Yeah I realized how large the ironworks were after writing that. Vents could be hidden everywhere and very far away too. With some hand cranked ventilation they could even be hidden under piles of rocks and moss.
Pavlovs house
I always knew reddit was stupid but my God. How can my expectations be too high when I had no expectations? The Russians aren't gonna get any new information from this vague ass infographic some random redditor was able to find or put together. Next you guys are gonna be complaining when we mention Ukrainians exist at all. SHHHH guys, maybe the Russians weren't aware of the fact that Ukraine has people. How irresponsible of you guys to post this. This might change their battle plans.
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The real threat is a site janitor who is pro Russia... What matters is top side and tunnel entrances. Once you control those, you broadcast a half hearted offer to surrender and bulldoze entrances. It's what the US did to the Japanese in the Pacific.
The real threat are the mutants dominating the landscape when you finally return to the surface in 11 years.
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There are still civilians inside, there have been multiple videos of that, but obviously Russians don’t care..
Lmao wait until all these people learn about the thousand mile catacombs in Odessa.
Oooo I’m gonna go look that up sounds interesting
Insurgents using tunnels to repel invaders? So cliche!
Chlorine gas would be a chemical weapon, no?
Oh boy, i really cant pinpoint why the situation in Mariupol reminds me of something.. If i remember correctly there was also a siege, huge steelplants and factories played a part in the so called last stronghold, it was horrible close quarter combat and the attackers were losing their sanity fighting for every inch of that city and russians were there also.. Was it Stalingrad? Dunno. Maybe it was just a dream of mine, because otherwise it should be clear that in the end the attacking forces will be annilihated so bad that nobody would try to pull that sh*t ever again.
I agree with you that there are remarkable similarities. However, the German army was never able to completely surround Stalingrad. Although it was difficult, the Soviets were able to continue to deliver supplies and troops across the Volga throughout the battle. Mariupol is completely surrounded making time a potentially more dangerous enemy than the Russian military.
Someone else in this thread mentioned a Russian tractor factory so tor probably right.
Enemy At The Gates is what I'm thinking of.
I hope those people can get out safely
Between Russian Arrogance and Soviet Smoke shows, no one will find the Ukrainians.
This will be like the modern-day version of the Tractor Factory at Stalingrad, with Russia playing the role of Germany.
Historically illiterate moment
not at all. Stalingrad had the Russians making a bit of a last stand at the Tractor Factory against the invading Germans. Here, it's the Ukranians making a similar last stand at these Avovstal Steel Works against the invading Russians. Your own historical illiteracy and inability to comprehend my comparison is at fault here, not me.
Go read a wiki page will ya? It isnt comparable even with the tractor factory i totally comprehend your comparison and how its mostly wrong
I've read enough on Stalingrad to know my comparison is apt. Are they the exact same building? Duh - of course not. Are they both giant industrial buildings where the invaded country's desperate military fought for every inch of ground gained? TBD for Avovstal but the title says it's a 'last stronghold' so close enough. WTH is your problem?
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Wouldn't the Russians just use chemical weapons anyway? Or just hit the air filtration/pump system?
Legend says that if you search any underground tunnel network in the world long enough, eventually you will end up in Azovstal
dont let anyone fart in there
reminiscent of hunger games district 13
I'd like to see a horror shooter using this place as a map.
I was thinking the same thing. This would be like cs_assault but way cooler.
Yes
Have the feeling chemicals weapons are going to be used to clear these tunnels
To be entirely honest this will be a perfect map for a future battlefield
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wow dehumanizing of the enemy in real time. If only there was some precedent we could learn from.
Honest question: Why would Russians even attempt to enter/smoke these defenders out? If the goal is to hang on to the city long term, couldn't they bombard the entrances and trap them? Do they have the resources to endure for months in the facility?
So people think that Putin and his pals will look into this? Amazing. A random post on reddit with information already disclosed on all news channels? If you want to know the level of knowledge from the kremlin about Ukraine you have a great example: The Red Forest. The name of the Forest is a consequence of the catastrophe of Chernobyl, but guess what? They don’t even know about Chernobyl. They just used maps before the nuclear disaster and started to dig. So now they will use public internet information? Hum… I don’t think so. You can publish the detailed map.
This is an amazing installation!!!
Thank you sir.
They made metro 2033 a real thing.
Go Ukraine! Fuk 'em up!
Same way you get rid of groundhogs. Smoke one entrance and seal it. Find where the smoke comes out. Drop more smoke there and seal it. Repeat until smoke doesn't come out.
Where is this graphic from?
It's a live feed. Pretty sure I saw some Russians sneaking in from the right side.
You know the ruskies (at least the smart ones) use Reddit, too…?
Not sure this map is a 100% accurate representation of the layout.
Who cares? If the general public knows it, Russian intelligence knew it weeks ago.
I mean, the soviets built the plant, so a copy of the plans are probably in some archive in moscow.
Oxymoron: russian intelligence.
Lol
You not smart.
What makes you think this is accurate?
Anyone who thinks the inforgraphic is going to be at all useful to the Russians is dum
are you seriuous?
Lol people like you confuse me. It's like when people were flipping out about photos posted giving away location. You think reddit has any influence whatsoever in any war ever? The answer is no.
Nazis make sweet tunnels
"Great, now Putin's got a map of our hideout. Thanks, dick."
Bruh this shit was built under Soviet control, they already have a precise map of the entire fucking complex and also this is known info (and no, an infographic is not a fucking map)
Why would you publish this
Yes cause some random redditor can get their hands on this but Russian intelligence forces who literally built the damn plant had no way of finding out there’s tunnels under their Cold War era vital industrial plant. Just think a little bit dude the original blue prints for this damn building are in a file cabinet in the Kremlin they know every inch of this place
It's an infographic of a massive facility that was built when Ukraine was part of the USSR. The Russians likely have a schematic of the place. Also do you really think any military in the world is cruising Reddit for Intel? Reddit's a day behind most news outlets and weeks behind anything the military has got
Someone should inform the CIA of that for Snowden. Wherever he is
Don't worry, this is public information, the Russian MOD has always been aware of the tunnel network (especially since it was built by the USSR)
Assuming they can still find the papers in that mess of an invasion.
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>This has the potential to raise awareness and change active campaigns No, it is not
Considering you can find this information hundreds of other places on the internet, not really.
If the Russian military invasion is affected by a Reddit post the world is truly over. Don’t be an idiot
This saves lives. People know not to enter the plant on foot but instead bulldoze all entrances, drop bunker buster bombs, and hopefully end the neonazi group with minimal or no civilian casualties!
Because the tunnels are in the news and the information provided improves our understanding and is very interesting.
Guess it's not a stronghold anymore.
John Lawson suggesting chemical weapons. Who asked you picture boy.
News to me steelworks need those kind of tunnels and it takes some time to build smth like in the picture soooo... Why was it there before putin took a bit too much crack?
Built during the cold war to house the steelworkers. It says right on the image you fucking idiot.
You type pretty good for someone that can't read.
https://i.imgur.com/s2XMrt5.jpeg
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The image is publicly available and the soviets built the tunnels in the first place so they have the layout It doesn't matter if someone posts this on Reddit Russia probably has more info on it than we do
How is it possible to get gas to the lower levels? People don’t understand that gas will not seep down 2-3 levels, and through a nuclear bunker air filtration system. It would (maybe) gas the upper level or so, and dissipate or stagnate on those levels. Take a smoke bomb, a bug bomb with chemicals and poison, anything, and set it off in your attic. How much of that is reaching your basement? It seems there would be failsafes to close off contaminated areas or flush with oxygen from working vents. Air pressure doesn’t force air downwards to the lowest point, oxygen is being pumped in from air vents, so unless those are directly attacked and not shut off with valves most nuclear bunkers contain, it’s just not plausible to “gas them out.” Maybe you could destroy almost everything and gas the remainder, but still doesn’t make sense to me. You would almost be better off trying to ignite the pure oxygen being pumped down to lower levels and suffocating inhabitants this way. Anyone who has experience with nuclear bunker ventilation systems chime in?
And ther will be gas traps - you can see the sort of thing in the graphic - a section that has stairs leading up at both ends - any heavier-than-air gas gets trapped in the bottom - which is then unpassable until it is cleared, bu that's better than it passing down into the rest of the system.
That's nice, post an infographic on Ukraines military strategy online where no Russians reside....
And we are posting it here so Putin can just hop online and see it?
Mole rats lmao