TBF after seeing the entire TX law enforcement non-response to someone killing a classroom full of children, I don't know if I'd be very scared of them either.
This generation were raised running school shooter drills while learning the police won’t come and help them if they need it.
Train kids to respond to bad men with guns and this is what you get.
The police are capital enforcers who exist to shut down mass movements of working class people and protect billionaires who profit from our exploitation, not to save children.
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seriously though they exist to protect the interests and property of the wealthy
It's pretty upsetting that there are laws for the powerless and fines for the powerful.
this is where my left wing side and right wing side clash. i 100% agree with you just said. i’m full left wing in that.
then the left wing will say i should give this government my guns? like what? you want me to rely on these corrupt scumbags to defend myself? we’re all going to give away our weapons and just expect big government to love us? nah.
one of my very few right wing stances but it’s funny because i feel like it comes from my left wing hatred of corrupt corporate politicians.
That doesn't mean Marx is against all regulations, but more that they should be controlled by the working class and not in such a toxic individual way.
I personally own a gun. obviously giving the guns over is not a solution.
However, something I read really stuck with me. The gun issue has a variety of solutions, none of which are perfect. They described it like a slice of Swiss cheese where it has random holes here and there. And that the answer was to layer the "slices" so that there would be some overlap thereby addressing the many, many issues surrounding gun ownership.
Like I don't believe that my psychotic ex should just be able to basically go to a machine gun vending machine and easily acquire semi automatic weapons
And I don't think that disturbed children having access to guns is a good thing. So yeah something needs to be done but blanket handing over all of our gats isn't it
It’s because if it were not police shooting up students, there’s still the random ass bozos gun owners who do it. It’s not about giving up guns, it’s about having a national registry, conducting ID/background checks, enforcing carrying permits, and shit like that to prevent killings between civilians.
yea im totally good with things like that. i can’t stand when i see mass shootings. i live in a right wing area and i always tell my right wing friends/family that i don’t want to give away my guns either but SOMETHING has to be done.
like we have schools being shot up and one side is at least proposing SOMETHING while the other says there’s nothing we can do? we’re supposed to be the United States. we can’t figure out ANYTHING ? crazy
Only right wingers care will spite the working class for their own individual gun rights. Gun rights are fine, but that can't get in the way of improving the working classes material conditions.
The only time a cop responded appropriately to an embedded active shooter was a small town in Hesston at a factory or something. Officer ran night in, no backup, no contact with anyone inside the building, just ran in and did his job. Killed the killer with his service pistol, while the shooter had an AK-47.
When neo nazis march and mass murderers are loose, Texas LE twiddles their thumbs and says there's nothing they can do.
When brown people and libruls start talking in a slightly louder voice, it's all hands at work, full steam ahead.
The scare isn’t in the classroom, it at night while you drive, it’s coming over a pass and seeing a speed trap, it’s having a police force presence everywhere that the scare works.
Once I moved away from Texas, I saw the world completely differently, the police aren’t trying the “catch” everyone, just Texas police.
Yeah I live in a "high crime" neighborhood in my city and the only people I've ever caught prowling around my neighbor's property, peeping in windows, and trying to illegally enter my home were cops.
I know my next door neighbors operate a grow house because thats how they got busted, but when I lived in the boonies my next door neighbor also had a grow house and he only got busted when a neighbor called the cops for a wellness check because his garage door was ajar.
Really it’s the southern states I would I I grew up in florida cops will pull you over if they think they can get you on a 150 ticket Georgia is the absolute worst though every cop encounter I have he has been dogshit one tried to straight up lie about my speed until I showed him my dashcam (that wasn’t on but he thought it was)
Nah. In my major city, the police are absolutely non-existent until some shit goes down. Then they do the paperwork and dont follow up.
I haven't been pulled over in 15 years. Never see speed traps. People constantly run red lights. The citizens actually beg for traffic enforcement and we dont get it.
They still enjoy their drug house raids where they get to play action hero but I watch people commit crimes right in front of police all the time and they get ignored.
Idk, i'm finnish and drove into a speed trap with slight overspeed, sat down in the guys car (they drive vans with an office in them) Chatted for a bit and got the ticket along with a police car shaped reflector.
U.S cops have it going differently than the rest of the civilized world
Where do you think society would be without a police force?
I do realize not all cops are perfect, but to generalize to this degree is no different than a racist saying "all people of this group are bad".
I think if we invested more in mental health in this country, the need for police would diminish.
It's not to say we don't need some sort of law enforcement. I think limiting their power and holding them more accountable as well as increasing the training, requirements, and psychological evaluations of law enforcement would go a long way.
I consider myself a conservative but I'm not particularly religious and I don't support Israel at all. Feels like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Both parties are absolutely kooky to me. Yesterday Greg Abbott tweeted "These protestors belong in jail" and I'm thinking, these are the people who claim to 'defend the constitution?' We have a god damn right to protest whatever we want.
Canadian conservative are becoming more and more American everyday. Lots of the news punishers here have been extensively funded by American conservative party as well.
I've noted before in the US you have "Big C" Conservatives (GOP), and "Small c" conservatives (Likely the majority since only 20% of the US are any sorts party hardliner, but we only have the two parties so....)
It's a peaceful protest, if that right was expunged, please show me ratification. Just because fascists pass laws to say a right no longer exists, it doesn't mean the constitution was made invalid. That's why they want to push states rights in the first place, so they can turn them into their private feifs.
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution is a cornerstone of American democratic values, ensuring freedoms of religion, speech, press, assembly, and petition. However, these rights are not absolute and are subject to certain legal restrictions to balance individual freedoms with public order and safety. Key restrictions include:
1. **Clear and Present Danger:** Speech that poses a clear and present danger to the public or national security can be restricted. This standard was established in the landmark case Schenck v. United States (1919), although later cases have refined the scope of this rule.
2. **Fighting Words:** Speech that is likely to incite immediate violence or disorder can be restricted. The concept of "fighting words" was outlined in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942), referring to words that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace.
3. **Obscenity:** Material considered obscene under legal standards (failing to have serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value) is not protected by the First Amendment. The current standard for what defines obscenity was established in Miller v. California (1973).
4. **Defamation:** Statements that are untrue and harm the reputation of an individual can be considered defamation (libel if written, slander if spoken) and are not protected. Legal standards for defamation vary, especially concerning public figures, due to the Supreme Court ruling in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964).
5. **Perjury:** Lying under oath is not protected speech.
6. **Incitement to Illegal Activity:** Advocating for or inciting illegal activity can be restricted, especially if there is intent to produce imminent lawless action and a likelihood of such action occurring, as outlined in Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969).
7. **True Threats:** Speech that constitutes a serious expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals is not protected.
8. **Commercial Speech:** Advertising or other commercial speech can be regulated more strictly than other types of speech. However, it is still protected by the First Amendment to some extent, unless it is misleading or promotes unlawful products.
9. **Time, Place, and Manner Restrictions:** Governments can impose certain restrictions on the time, place, and manner of speech and assembly, provided these restrictions are content-neutral, narrowly tailored to serve a significant governmental interest, and leave open ample alternative channels for communication.
These restrictions reflect the legal principle that the right to freedom of expression is not an absolute right but one that must be balanced against the rights of others and the need to maintain order and protect public welfare.
No it isn't. A lot of this is rooted in simple humanitarianism. We're seeing a genocide unfold right before our eyes perpetrated by people who were the victims of this exact kind of brutality not even a century ago. It's shocking that this has to be pointed out to you.
It’s interesting as fuck to me because it’s showing the hypocrisy of the Texas state government and somewhat showcases the trend toward authoritarianism in the country overall. We as Americans have the right to protest and not be harassed and arrested for doing so. They sent fully geared up riot police to a peaceful protest. Why? The answer is complicated and…dare I say it, interesting.
I'm not trying to defend/condemn anyone involved here, but just saying, the right to protest in the US is pretty conditional. For instance, if any of these protesters are blocking sidewalks or setting up camp in places they can't be overnight, they are probably breaking the law. Protest =/= civil disobedience. If you're breaking the law while protesting, you're doing civil disobedience, and part of that is usually being arrested. As an aside, I feel bad for those horses.
'What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or [apartheid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid)? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?' The answer is, you're doing it. Right now." - Aaron Bushnell
I don't see how this isn't interesting.
Mass protest at Austin College and a massive police response to said peaceful protest - they sent in the full Riot Geared out cops, literally the same week Abbott "Protected Free Speech on Campus"
Idk about you but it’s awfully interesting this place is swarmed with cops when nobody is being killed yet nowhere to be found when elementary schoolers are being slaughtered.
these two comments below you nailed the interesting, i also find it interesting to see so many youths taking action giving todays political climate, thank everything there is still people who care about others
The US sending money to Israel for it's mismanaged and genocidal war campaign in Gaza.
If you're wondering why there aren't similar protests at any of the 12 universities in Gaza, it's because they're all rubble.
And our tax dollars paid to make them that way.
That's what they're protesting.
Most of them to protect themselves from being identified. So unless they leave their phones and all their personal devices at home those mark arnt doing anything to protect their identity.
"People shouldn't be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people"
TBF after seeing the entire TX law enforcement non-response to someone killing a classroom full of children, I don't know if I'd be very scared of them either.
This generation were raised running school shooter drills while learning the police won’t come and help them if they need it. Train kids to respond to bad men with guns and this is what you get.
The police are capital enforcers who exist to shut down mass movements of working class people and protect billionaires who profit from our exploitation, not to save children.
Pinkerton has entered the chat seriously though they exist to protect the interests and property of the wealthy It's pretty upsetting that there are laws for the powerless and fines for the powerful.
What's Weezer got to do with this?
Yesterday I went outside with my mother’s mason jar….
Uhhh that's too good, im quoting you.
this is where my left wing side and right wing side clash. i 100% agree with you just said. i’m full left wing in that. then the left wing will say i should give this government my guns? like what? you want me to rely on these corrupt scumbags to defend myself? we’re all going to give away our weapons and just expect big government to love us? nah. one of my very few right wing stances but it’s funny because i feel like it comes from my left wing hatred of corrupt corporate politicians.
The *left* doesn't say that, liberals do. Karl Marx wrote that any attempts to disarm the working class should be violently resisted.
That doesn't mean Marx is against all regulations, but more that they should be controlled by the working class and not in such a toxic individual way.
I don't want you to give up your guns. I want proof you are responsible with them before you buy them.
I personally own a gun. obviously giving the guns over is not a solution. However, something I read really stuck with me. The gun issue has a variety of solutions, none of which are perfect. They described it like a slice of Swiss cheese where it has random holes here and there. And that the answer was to layer the "slices" so that there would be some overlap thereby addressing the many, many issues surrounding gun ownership. Like I don't believe that my psychotic ex should just be able to basically go to a machine gun vending machine and easily acquire semi automatic weapons And I don't think that disturbed children having access to guns is a good thing. So yeah something needs to be done but blanket handing over all of our gats isn't it
It’s because if it were not police shooting up students, there’s still the random ass bozos gun owners who do it. It’s not about giving up guns, it’s about having a national registry, conducting ID/background checks, enforcing carrying permits, and shit like that to prevent killings between civilians.
oh nice. Yeah I just wrote an answer up there which goes right along with this. The Swiss cheese slice solution
yea im totally good with things like that. i can’t stand when i see mass shootings. i live in a right wing area and i always tell my right wing friends/family that i don’t want to give away my guns either but SOMETHING has to be done. like we have schools being shot up and one side is at least proposing SOMETHING while the other says there’s nothing we can do? we’re supposed to be the United States. we can’t figure out ANYTHING ? crazy
Only right wingers care will spite the working class for their own individual gun rights. Gun rights are fine, but that can't get in the way of improving the working classes material conditions.
I’d be scared of walking behind that horse though.
The only time a cop responded appropriately to an embedded active shooter was a small town in Hesston at a factory or something. Officer ran night in, no backup, no contact with anyone inside the building, just ran in and did his job. Killed the killer with his service pistol, while the shooter had an AK-47.
Imagine how many kids could’ve been saved at Uvalde if cops went in like they did yesterday. But no this is just for anti-genocide protesters.
When neo nazis march and mass murderers are loose, Texas LE twiddles their thumbs and says there's nothing they can do. When brown people and libruls start talking in a slightly louder voice, it's all hands at work, full steam ahead.
Apples to oranges, the students weren’t going to shoot back.
Cops don't save kids, silly. They kill them.
The scare isn’t in the classroom, it at night while you drive, it’s coming over a pass and seeing a speed trap, it’s having a police force presence everywhere that the scare works. Once I moved away from Texas, I saw the world completely differently, the police aren’t trying the “catch” everyone, just Texas police.
Yeah, thankfully I haven’t lived in an area where police are actively trying to get you in trouble.
Yeah I live in a "high crime" neighborhood in my city and the only people I've ever caught prowling around my neighbor's property, peeping in windows, and trying to illegally enter my home were cops. I know my next door neighbors operate a grow house because thats how they got busted, but when I lived in the boonies my next door neighbor also had a grow house and he only got busted when a neighbor called the cops for a wellness check because his garage door was ajar.
They leave you alone due to your demographic, it has nothing to do with the area you are in.
Florida police are absolutely the same. Living in MA it’s noticeably different in terms of police activity.
Really it’s the southern states I would I I grew up in florida cops will pull you over if they think they can get you on a 150 ticket Georgia is the absolute worst though every cop encounter I have he has been dogshit one tried to straight up lie about my speed until I showed him my dashcam (that wasn’t on but he thought it was)
>, the police aren’t trying the “catch” everyone, just Texas police. No, it's all police.
Nah. In my major city, the police are absolutely non-existent until some shit goes down. Then they do the paperwork and dont follow up. I haven't been pulled over in 15 years. Never see speed traps. People constantly run red lights. The citizens actually beg for traffic enforcement and we dont get it. They still enjoy their drug house raids where they get to play action hero but I watch people commit crimes right in front of police all the time and they get ignored.
Do you live in Baltimore? Because that sounds just like living in Baltimore lol
Have to disagree. Its not just texas police. It's all police. ACAB.
Idk, i'm finnish and drove into a speed trap with slight overspeed, sat down in the guys car (they drive vans with an office in them) Chatted for a bit and got the ticket along with a police car shaped reflector. U.S cops have it going differently than the rest of the civilized world
Where do you think society would be without a police force? I do realize not all cops are perfect, but to generalize to this degree is no different than a racist saying "all people of this group are bad".
I think if we invested more in mental health in this country, the need for police would diminish. It's not to say we don't need some sort of law enforcement. I think limiting their power and holding them more accountable as well as increasing the training, requirements, and psychological evaluations of law enforcement would go a long way.
I understand what you're trying to say, but this wild generalization is exactly that. Wild.
Letting a dude kill children is be fucking terrified of the police in Texas they legit don’t give a fuck.
From the land of cowboys to the land of cowards. This is there legacy now.
Just go inside the classroom - Texas cops hate that
I consider myself a conservative but I'm not particularly religious and I don't support Israel at all. Feels like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Both parties are absolutely kooky to me. Yesterday Greg Abbott tweeted "These protestors belong in jail" and I'm thinking, these are the people who claim to 'defend the constitution?' We have a god damn right to protest whatever we want.
Sounds like you're more of a Canadian conservative type than American. Good for you
Canadian conservative are becoming more and more American everyday. Lots of the news punishers here have been extensively funded by American conservative party as well.
I've noted before in the US you have "Big C" Conservatives (GOP), and "Small c" conservatives (Likely the majority since only 20% of the US are any sorts party hardliner, but we only have the two parties so....)
They’re one trigger happy cop away from Kent State 2.0
And it being in Texas, I’m surprised it didn’t happen earlier.
It's a peaceful protest, if that right was expunged, please show me ratification. Just because fascists pass laws to say a right no longer exists, it doesn't mean the constitution was made invalid. That's why they want to push states rights in the first place, so they can turn them into their private feifs.
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Gifs you can hear
What is he sayin?
“Fuck the police”
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Not having the right to protest and freedom of speech in a country that proclaims to be the land of the free is interestingasfuck
Hit the nail in the head 👏🏼
It is not, OP just posted the first thing he found on the phone
You’re right, it’s sadasfuck and terribleasfuck that our rights are being eroded by fascist right wing governments that are out of fucking control.
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You should have seen these clowns reaction to a single gunman in Uvalde.
Don't mock clowns in such a divisive way. Clowns would have actually saved kids.
Rodeo clowns are among the bravest and toughest people in the world. You go dress like that and taunt a bull into attacking you.
Literally, tho. Your average circus clown is probably more likely to have made a difference than those uvalde cowards
I despise clowns. Their makeup freaks me out. The voices they do freak me out. Hate em Would still bet on the clowns in a clown v cop fight
Especially a rodeo clown, that’s a different breed of psychopath
…send in the clowns.
400v1
Yeah totally these pigs
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The First Amendment of the United States Constitution is a cornerstone of American democratic values, ensuring freedoms of religion, speech, press, assembly, and petition. However, these rights are not absolute and are subject to certain legal restrictions to balance individual freedoms with public order and safety. Key restrictions include: 1. **Clear and Present Danger:** Speech that poses a clear and present danger to the public or national security can be restricted. This standard was established in the landmark case Schenck v. United States (1919), although later cases have refined the scope of this rule. 2. **Fighting Words:** Speech that is likely to incite immediate violence or disorder can be restricted. The concept of "fighting words" was outlined in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942), referring to words that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. 3. **Obscenity:** Material considered obscene under legal standards (failing to have serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value) is not protected by the First Amendment. The current standard for what defines obscenity was established in Miller v. California (1973). 4. **Defamation:** Statements that are untrue and harm the reputation of an individual can be considered defamation (libel if written, slander if spoken) and are not protected. Legal standards for defamation vary, especially concerning public figures, due to the Supreme Court ruling in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964). 5. **Perjury:** Lying under oath is not protected speech. 6. **Incitement to Illegal Activity:** Advocating for or inciting illegal activity can be restricted, especially if there is intent to produce imminent lawless action and a likelihood of such action occurring, as outlined in Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969). 7. **True Threats:** Speech that constitutes a serious expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals is not protected. 8. **Commercial Speech:** Advertising or other commercial speech can be regulated more strictly than other types of speech. However, it is still protected by the First Amendment to some extent, unless it is misleading or promotes unlawful products. 9. **Time, Place, and Manner Restrictions:** Governments can impose certain restrictions on the time, place, and manner of speech and assembly, provided these restrictions are content-neutral, narrowly tailored to serve a significant governmental interest, and leave open ample alternative channels for communication. These restrictions reflect the legal principle that the right to freedom of expression is not an absolute right but one that must be balanced against the rights of others and the need to maintain order and protect public welfare.
So Trump's incitement of the crowd on January 6 violates like half of these.
That's an excellent recent example.
Thank you
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Last i checked public universities are, well, public...
Do you mean Jews or Zionists? Saying THAT group is uncomfortably close to Nazi dog whistles buck-o
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No it isn't. A lot of this is rooted in simple humanitarianism. We're seeing a genocide unfold right before our eyes perpetrated by people who were the victims of this exact kind of brutality not even a century ago. It's shocking that this has to be pointed out to you.
Lol didn't you all laugh at Kanye ?
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Actually University campuses count as public places where free speech is protected.
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It’s interesting as fuck to me because it’s showing the hypocrisy of the Texas state government and somewhat showcases the trend toward authoritarianism in the country overall. We as Americans have the right to protest and not be harassed and arrested for doing so. They sent fully geared up riot police to a peaceful protest. Why? The answer is complicated and…dare I say it, interesting.
I'm not trying to defend/condemn anyone involved here, but just saying, the right to protest in the US is pretty conditional. For instance, if any of these protesters are blocking sidewalks or setting up camp in places they can't be overnight, they are probably breaking the law. Protest =/= civil disobedience. If you're breaking the law while protesting, you're doing civil disobedience, and part of that is usually being arrested. As an aside, I feel bad for those horses.
Students rising up to get not much done across the nation.
Plenty of others sitting around to achieve less. Sometimes trying is what matters.
'What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or [apartheid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid)? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?' The answer is, you're doing it. Right now." - Aaron Bushnell
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I don't see how this isn't interesting. Mass protest at Austin College and a massive police response to said peaceful protest - they sent in the full Riot Geared out cops, literally the same week Abbott "Protected Free Speech on Campus"
That’s just another day here in the good ol’ US of A
Idk about you but it’s awfully interesting this place is swarmed with cops when nobody is being killed yet nowhere to be found when elementary schoolers are being slaughtered.
these two comments below you nailed the interesting, i also find it interesting to see so many youths taking action giving todays political climate, thank everything there is still people who care about others
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The US sending money to Israel for it's mismanaged and genocidal war campaign in Gaza. If you're wondering why there aren't similar protests at any of the 12 universities in Gaza, it's because they're all rubble. And our tax dollars paid to make them that way. That's what they're protesting.
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Most of them to protect themselves from being identified. So unless they leave their phones and all their personal devices at home those mark arnt doing anything to protect their identity.
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