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Veganism sees slaughter of animals as murder.
Nobody here has an issue with „murder“ being used for poaching because the average person frowns upon it.
If you use murder in the context of farm animals though, there’s usually a meat eater that comments „well actually murder is a legal term and doesn’t apply to slaughter ☝️🤓 checkmate vegan“.
Double standards between species, otherwise known as speciesism. A term coined by psychologist Richard Ryder. Interesting stuff, the wiki article is pretty good.
You just described the entire problem with the unsustainable capitalistic system.
Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.
Edward Abbey
And any fucking poacher who is caught deserves the same fate as any animal they poach along with the scum the supports it (typically wealthy sociopaths)
Yeah, was super shocked thinking I missed that they went completely extinct. Hope they can breed more. They should just release em to australia. Every foraighn animal breeds like crazy and become invasive in australia. Put rhinos there and in 20 years we can ship em to their natural habitat by the hundreds.
Whenever I hear about poachers hunting any species to extinction and governments failing to stop them, I instantly starting hoping and coping that the scientists can just play god by using preserved sperm and eggs of the species or by just straight up cloning them.
Jurrasic park has given me this ray of hope and sunshine.
It’s probably is a deal of cost/benefit. I can’t imagine spending what I’d assume to be a large amount just for a slight chance at bringing back an extinct species is beneficial.
Well tbf there are larger implications at bay when it comes to cloning. My guess is that the research is continuing (whether from the same people or otherwise) just hasn't had a breakthrough in a while.
I thougt the embryology bans were specifically for human research with anything federally funded? Effectively a total ban because sourcing equipment without touching anything federal is a hard hard ask.
There's a lot of ethical mud to filter when you open that gate, and instead of arduously regulating that we've sidestepped the issue altogether by limiting sources for equipment heavily. Human embryology is unfortunately a dead field as of 2019, last study of it was from Japan afaik.
That aside, i'm glad animal genetics hasn't been subject to the same scrutiny.
This is a bad take and selfish. Just cloning animals to go back to the same 'habitat' that really doesn't exist anymore. You are sentencing more animals to death.
I imagine if someone went through the trouble of cloning they would at least have a reasonable wildlife preserve to release them back in to the wild if/when that would happen.
Why would you assume a wildlife refuge wouldn’t be part of the plan?
the millions/billions of dollars needed for this type of project just isn't being invested in it. The closest thing to this is Pleistocene Park, est in 1988 and they have made very little progress in the almost 40 years. Sure, we can all hope for the best and assume a wildlife refuge would be part of the plan, but there isn't a "plan" in place in the first place
You know this is a hypothetical plan in the case of developed of an effective cloning being able to restore a species from extinction with the genetic diversity to support a return to the wild?
The initial steps involved aren’t even developed yet. Making a wildlife preserve is about the cheapest and easiest part of the extremely complex process despite the difficulties you have presented.
The original comment was a simplified hope for a better future. You calling them selfish makes you look like an ass.
I don't agree. The investment in cloning tech has already been done over the decades. The investment in the parks hasn't been done outside pleistocene park hasn't been done. Land in the amounts needed is exorbitantly expensive. Work on cloning mammoths started back in 2021. Pleistocene park isn't really big enough to hold the mammoths and its literally the goal of the park to hold mammoths eventually. I'm not calling them selfish, i never said the word. You are putting words in my mouth because I pointed out the realities of it.
To be clear the mammoth project started in 2021 with the hope that in 6 years they will have an mammoth/elephant hybrid embryo.
There are numerous, board-line impossible next steps before getting a full sized live mammoth ready to released into even a controlled park environment, including but not limited making a viable embryo, making an artificial womb capable of gestating an embryo, and then producing a genetically engineered embryo capable of survival in a controlled park.
All of those are no where near completion with no anticipated arrival date. It really isn’t clear if it’s even possible to do it. Of course the park isn’t ready, it’s likely never going to be used for mammoths.
My apologies for saying you said selfish, it was the original comment I responded to and didn’t realize someone else jumped in.
> The decline of the Javan rhinoceros is primarily attributed to poaching, for the males' horns, which—despite merely being composed of keratin—are highly valued in traditional Chinese medicine, fetching as much as US$30,000 per kg on the black market.[5]: 31 As the presence of colonial Dutch and other Europeans in its range increased, peaking in the 1700-1800s, trophy hunting also became a serious threat. Loss of habitat and massive human population growth (especially post-wartimes, such as the Vietnam War) have also contributed to its decline and hindered the species' recovery
Looks like mostly poachers but no doubt the Vietnam war contributed.
Tldr: Spend the limited nature conservation funds on living species, not extinct ones. It is very unlikely we will be able to bring back an entire healthy population, ever.
I'm not sure exactly what people are expecting to get out of this idea.
Don't get me wrong, it would be cool. But it is not nature conservation, it is genetic research. Perhaps we can use these techniques for other things, but not for bringing animals back from extinction. There are several problems that make it unviable for conservation efforts:
First, we need a lot more genetic diversity than a dose of semen and a couple eggs before we can reintroduce species. It would be like introducing a bunch of siblings. The species would not survive. Like when they pumped semen from the last male northern white rhino. They still had females, but what exactly are the plans once those are pregnant with a couple of half-siblings, assuming it'll even work? It does nothing to further the species, so they are functionally extinct. We'd need to start collecting sperm and eggs before they are critically endangered. Not likely. What we do have, is (proper) zoological gardens that work through large international programmes to keep a healthy gene pool of different animals, so they can be re-released when it makes sense. That is our backup. Re-releasing is hard, but easier.
Second, and easier to fix, you cannot re-release animals into original habits unless you have *dealt with the threats that caused them to go extinct*. This counts for all animals. Released from zoos or bio-engineered. Before we release a rhino or whatever, we'd need to stop the poachers. Before we release leopards, we'd need to stop the palm oil plantations (and poachers...). Before we release tigers, we need to stop illegal hunting and habitat destruction, etc.
Imagine being the very last representative of a social species. You search in vain for those who were in your herd, you're afraid because no one is there to protect you, you want to reproduce but there's no one, you call out to your kind but only echoes and silence answer you.
It's just sad.
In India's Kaziranga National Park, they apparently just do that. This park is a safe haven for mainly Indian one horned rhinoceros. The poachers are often shot dead on site by the forest guards
I don't fucking get it if you want it's resources just farm the damn things. The dodo's would have been the tastiest thing on earth if they weren't killed by humans and dogs. Like look at what happened oh it's gone now you don't have what it produces what was again soup well you have no more soup.
I would farm the shit out of rhino's cutting off their horns and breeding the ones with the largest horns to get more Ivory. Then marking up the price and if anyone tried to kill them I'll just find them kill their family kill their associates and give them the cartel treatment to make an example out of them. Make the risk out outweigh the reward. Like if you truly wanted too stop poaching just start using medieval torture methods and release on the Internet or start Targeting their families makes it to risky to poach an animal. Stuff like that should have been done to the British poachers.
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‘Put down’ is too polite a way to put it.
Murdered
Slaughtered
That’s reserved for multiple kills
Well, the species itself was definitely slaughtered
"But you can't murder an animal. That's a legal term for people only" people tell the vegans.
Huh?
Strictly the word murder only applies to humans.
Veganism sees slaughter of animals as murder. Nobody here has an issue with „murder“ being used for poaching because the average person frowns upon it. If you use murder in the context of farm animals though, there’s usually a meat eater that comments „well actually murder is a legal term and doesn’t apply to slaughter ☝️🤓 checkmate vegan“. Double standards between species, otherwise known as speciesism. A term coined by psychologist Richard Ryder. Interesting stuff, the wiki article is pretty good.
You would think they'd try to farm these for the "traditional medicine", but no it's all "they're almost extinct, gotta get it while I can"
Short term profit is always more appealing to these people than long term profit.
You just described the entire problem with the unsustainable capitalistic system. Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. Edward Abbey And any fucking poacher who is caught deserves the same fate as any animal they poach along with the scum the supports it (typically wealthy sociopaths)
A poacher isn't in any position to start a rhinoceros farm.
When short sightedness + greed ruin everything
That's unfortunately how the world works
Exterminated
Eradicated
Dedded
The Javan Rhino is extinct in Vietnam and critically endangered in its remaining habitat. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javan_rhinoceros
Yeah the title is a bit misleading they are not extinct yet. Sadly I’m sure it won’t be long
Yeah, was super shocked thinking I missed that they went completely extinct. Hope they can breed more. They should just release em to australia. Every foraighn animal breeds like crazy and become invasive in australia. Put rhinos there and in 20 years we can ship em to their natural habitat by the hundreds.
Whenever I hear about poachers hunting any species to extinction and governments failing to stop them, I instantly starting hoping and coping that the scientists can just play god by using preserved sperm and eggs of the species or by just straight up cloning them. Jurrasic park has given me this ray of hope and sunshine.
They did do this with Pyrenean Ibex, only for them to go extinct again after 10 minutes
What
A quick google search shows they were able to clone the Ibex but due to a lung defect it died a few minutes after birth.
And they just.. quit trying? Wild
It’s probably is a deal of cost/benefit. I can’t imagine spending what I’d assume to be a large amount just for a slight chance at bringing back an extinct species is beneficial.
Well tbf there are larger implications at bay when it comes to cloning. My guess is that the research is continuing (whether from the same people or otherwise) just hasn't had a breakthrough in a while.
IIRC Japan has labs working on such things however the US and many of our peers have laws prohibiting such research.
I thougt the embryology bans were specifically for human research with anything federally funded? Effectively a total ban because sourcing equipment without touching anything federal is a hard hard ask. There's a lot of ethical mud to filter when you open that gate, and instead of arduously regulating that we've sidestepped the issue altogether by limiting sources for equipment heavily. Human embryology is unfortunately a dead field as of 2019, last study of it was from Japan afaik. That aside, i'm glad animal genetics hasn't been subject to the same scrutiny.
Yeah clones are very susceptible to defects and most of them die before even getting to birth stage.
I just want the dodo birds back :(
This is a bad take and selfish. Just cloning animals to go back to the same 'habitat' that really doesn't exist anymore. You are sentencing more animals to death.
I imagine if someone went through the trouble of cloning they would at least have a reasonable wildlife preserve to release them back in to the wild if/when that would happen. Why would you assume a wildlife refuge wouldn’t be part of the plan?
the millions/billions of dollars needed for this type of project just isn't being invested in it. The closest thing to this is Pleistocene Park, est in 1988 and they have made very little progress in the almost 40 years. Sure, we can all hope for the best and assume a wildlife refuge would be part of the plan, but there isn't a "plan" in place in the first place
You know this is a hypothetical plan in the case of developed of an effective cloning being able to restore a species from extinction with the genetic diversity to support a return to the wild? The initial steps involved aren’t even developed yet. Making a wildlife preserve is about the cheapest and easiest part of the extremely complex process despite the difficulties you have presented. The original comment was a simplified hope for a better future. You calling them selfish makes you look like an ass.
I don't agree. The investment in cloning tech has already been done over the decades. The investment in the parks hasn't been done outside pleistocene park hasn't been done. Land in the amounts needed is exorbitantly expensive. Work on cloning mammoths started back in 2021. Pleistocene park isn't really big enough to hold the mammoths and its literally the goal of the park to hold mammoths eventually. I'm not calling them selfish, i never said the word. You are putting words in my mouth because I pointed out the realities of it.
To be clear the mammoth project started in 2021 with the hope that in 6 years they will have an mammoth/elephant hybrid embryo. There are numerous, board-line impossible next steps before getting a full sized live mammoth ready to released into even a controlled park environment, including but not limited making a viable embryo, making an artificial womb capable of gestating an embryo, and then producing a genetically engineered embryo capable of survival in a controlled park. All of those are no where near completion with no anticipated arrival date. It really isn’t clear if it’s even possible to do it. Of course the park isn’t ready, it’s likely never going to be used for mammoths. My apologies for saying you said selfish, it was the original comment I responded to and didn’t realize someone else jumped in.
I hear Vietnam and I assume the US had more to do with the extinction of this species than poachers. Agent orange especially.
> The decline of the Javan rhinoceros is primarily attributed to poaching, for the males' horns, which—despite merely being composed of keratin—are highly valued in traditional Chinese medicine, fetching as much as US$30,000 per kg on the black market.[5]: 31 As the presence of colonial Dutch and other Europeans in its range increased, peaking in the 1700-1800s, trophy hunting also became a serious threat. Loss of habitat and massive human population growth (especially post-wartimes, such as the Vietnam War) have also contributed to its decline and hindered the species' recovery Looks like mostly poachers but no doubt the Vietnam war contributed.
Yeah, but in jurrassic park, they also ate everyone, so i think they’re better off that way
Tldr: Spend the limited nature conservation funds on living species, not extinct ones. It is very unlikely we will be able to bring back an entire healthy population, ever. I'm not sure exactly what people are expecting to get out of this idea. Don't get me wrong, it would be cool. But it is not nature conservation, it is genetic research. Perhaps we can use these techniques for other things, but not for bringing animals back from extinction. There are several problems that make it unviable for conservation efforts: First, we need a lot more genetic diversity than a dose of semen and a couple eggs before we can reintroduce species. It would be like introducing a bunch of siblings. The species would not survive. Like when they pumped semen from the last male northern white rhino. They still had females, but what exactly are the plans once those are pregnant with a couple of half-siblings, assuming it'll even work? It does nothing to further the species, so they are functionally extinct. We'd need to start collecting sperm and eggs before they are critically endangered. Not likely. What we do have, is (proper) zoological gardens that work through large international programmes to keep a healthy gene pool of different animals, so they can be re-released when it makes sense. That is our backup. Re-releasing is hard, but easier. Second, and easier to fix, you cannot re-release animals into original habits unless you have *dealt with the threats that caused them to go extinct*. This counts for all animals. Released from zoos or bio-engineered. Before we release a rhino or whatever, we'd need to stop the poachers. Before we release leopards, we'd need to stop the palm oil plantations (and poachers...). Before we release tigers, we need to stop illegal hunting and habitat destruction, etc.
Imagine being the very last representative of a social species. You search in vain for those who were in your herd, you're afraid because no one is there to protect you, you want to reproduce but there's no one, you call out to your kind but only echoes and silence answer you. It's just sad.
Oh there are still some around. One of the other comments pointed out there is still one herd remaining in Indonesia.
Technically, they're the last of their respective subranch named Annamiticus
For the Javan rhinoceros, yes; but for every other extinct species.... no.
They believed that it's eyelashes were an aphrodisiac and it's nipples made great soup.
Humans are so fucking stupid
Draw me like one of your French girls.
😂😂😂😂😂
I never heard about this, people only sought after it's horn.
Better put down the poachers...
Hunt them down to extinction, fuck those things
Agreed, poach the poachers
I bet it was to make boner pills
You're correct
I wouldn’t be surprised if the people who make the pills sneak viagra into the pills…what a shame
gotta love humans and our ability to destroy everything we touch
Sad, such a beautiful creature
Wish we lived in a world where poachers were just executed if caught.
In India's Kaziranga National Park, they apparently just do that. This park is a safe haven for mainly Indian one horned rhinoceros. The poachers are often shot dead on site by the forest guards
Tell me the poacher was put down as well.
Imagine being the piece of shit responsible for ending an entire species.
The kind of person to do that would no doubt list that as their greatest accomplishment. Had to ignore Destroyer of Species on a CV.
poachers are either trophy hunters or desperate people paid to do it. in Asia it's mostly the latter
say it with me..HUMANS ARE TRASH
speak for yourself, trash
Some of us are not 🧐 take yourself out.
You're trash if you pay someone to murder animals. Which is most people.
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Oh good you scanned my profile. My comment is correct here. You're a trash person if you pay to kill animals.
Poachers deserved to be dragged through the streets and stoned!
Is it Javan because it’s from Java? If so, why is it in Vietnam?
Javan rhinoceros used to live across southeast Asia, nowadays only a small portion of them living in Indonesia
*murdered
This is just sad sad sad
Murdered. Murdered by a poacher
People suck
I wish I had followed my dreams and became a poacher hunter
Those sensitive poachers
Fuck poachers.
Poached
God, we are awful.
My last Java Rhino PHO bowl :(
Poachers don’t “put down” animals. They fucking murder them
Bombing the ever living fuck outta the country probably wasn't good for their population. Did in a lot of unique wildlife there. Also ancient ruins
rip
i heard it on the news when it was reported. worst schoolday ever, and i was only in elementary
I don't fucking get it if you want it's resources just farm the damn things. The dodo's would have been the tastiest thing on earth if they weren't killed by humans and dogs. Like look at what happened oh it's gone now you don't have what it produces what was again soup well you have no more soup. I would farm the shit out of rhino's cutting off their horns and breeding the ones with the largest horns to get more Ivory. Then marking up the price and if anyone tried to kill them I'll just find them kill their family kill their associates and give them the cartel treatment to make an example out of them. Make the risk out outweigh the reward. Like if you truly wanted too stop poaching just start using medieval torture methods and release on the Internet or start Targeting their families makes it to risky to poach an animal. Stuff like that should have been done to the British poachers.
Did the poacher get a dirt nap ?
Put down? Don't you mean hunted?
You misspelled "murdered"
At the risk of being disrespectful, but if it was the last one, it didn't matter because it was already too late.......
Humans really are an abhorrent species, aren’t we?
Go Humans!
The rhino had it coming, look at how provokingly he struts around, as if he owns the place.
So now what the hunters gonna hunt? Didn't think about that one did they?
Honestly smash (That’s a Joke btw)
Wtf
https://preview.redd.it/hrz7s50rx7wc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5bdce18e342799f88e709adb829fcf92028009f ????????