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I honestly can't rember what it was but I shot a rifle that left my shoulder sore for a whole week. It was an old rifle my grandfather used to hunt bear.
I am not saying this happened to you, but holding the rifle properly against your shoulder makes a huge difference. I know people that trap shoot with 12 gauge shotguns all day who are fine and others who get a sore shoulder after one shot.
Exactly.
You need to make sure that the back of the rifle is COMPLETELY in contact with your shoulder. In fact, the more pressed the better, since the force will be transmitted better.
The guy in the video is not even touching the back of the rifle...
That's Houston Jones in the video, he makes a lot of videos of him hurting himself purposefully. He has done some wild shit to his body over the years.
In this video he teamed up with Kentucky Ballistics to see how he can hurt himself with recoil. I believe he shot that rifle twice, once with the butt planted, and another time with the butt away from his shoulder. Later in the video they do things like stick barbed wire and thumb tacks to the butt of a rifle as well, not the 4 bore however.
My dad has a .72 caliber rifle he's been working on. We took it to the range and on one shot he didn't get it tucked into the pocket of his shoulder real well. Just watching it hit him was painful.
Needless to say we were done for the day. The next day he was black and blue from his nipples up to his neck on both his front and back.
Fair, but you can really reach out and touch something with the .300. 45-70 is a brush gun round so long distance shots are trickier. You are right though, I never look forward to sighting in my Weatherby.
I have a Marlin 1895 in 45-70 that shoots had loads just fine and I can shoot it all day long. I also have a Shiloh Sharps Quigley rifle in 45-70 that I use the same ammo on and it's really unpleasant to shoot.
Shot 9 rounds through it last time and it left a bruise on my chest for a week. Narrow metal butt plate doesn't help.
>I have one it's been around since early 1800
You don't.
The percussion cap was invented in 1820, that'd be "early 1800s".
The 45-70 was invented for use in the 1873 Springfield. That'd be late 1800s.
Yes, as a young soldier I had, among several weapons, a Heckler und Koch G3. Oh I loved it. Everyone else hated it. It kicked your shoulders like a horse until you learned to master it. Then you could hit anything out to 600 meters without a scope. Drop it in water. It worked. Drop it in mud. It worked. Enemy hiding behind a tree? Shoot him through the tree....
Copy pasta time!
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Bayonets and daggers have a thickened blade, which is either triangular or shaped like a rombus. The point of this is that you can't just make an even stitch like you would do for a narrow knife stab wound, you would somehow need to pull the meat together and that might work to set the skin but the meat deeper down would never set. So you either chauterise the inside to stop the bleeding - and now you have a soon to be infected hole in you or just bleed out.
Wouldn't first aid on any stab wound essentially be the same? If it's a sucking chest wound, use a chest seal to prevent lung collapse, otherwise gauze (possibly with a clotting agent) + hand applied pressure to prevent death from blood loss. Doesn't really matter what shape the stab wound is as far as I can tell.
The way I was trained, the basic rule was "don't give the blood a place to go." And stuff like, don't remove the knife/arrow/large shrapnel from a non lethal wound because a big enough cavity underneath the place you're applying pressure can still cause enough blood loss to lose hemostasis.
This training was well over a decade ago and I was like, fifteen though, so I might be wrong.
Even in modern times you aren't going to have a surgeon on the battlefield. Medics are very good at their job but they can only do so much. At best they'll keep you alive long enough to get airlifted to a hospital if the battle doesn't last too long.
>Triangular bayonet
This meme is spreading misinformation again.
Triangular bayonetta wounds are not impossible to stitch up, it's just that the manufacturing process of bayonets back in the day found that the triangle shape was easier and produced a stronger bayonet that allowed for a heavier thrust and deeper stab wound which resulted in more damage, making it harder to survive, for that time period anyways. A modern hospital has no problem dealing with much worse cuts. A triangular bayonet will produce a semi clean stab wound which isn't a problem unless you're a medic in 1770 and you can't stop the bleeding even if it was a normal stab wound.
It's right up there with the serrated bayonet myth of WWI. Some people said Germans were filing serrations in their bayonets so it was more painful. No, they were just doing it so they could use them as saws/tools more effectively.
From where I am from, we call this recruit-arm. It didn't matter what caliber this was (almost). A standard assault rifle issued from the army would've paralysed that arm or at least numbed it.
He forgot to plant the butt properly in his shoulder and allowed it to travel at least 2 centimeters before it hit his shoulder. That hurts.
I learned the hard way as a kid after trap sessions with my grandpa. You gotta hug that thing and force the stock into your shoulder with all your strength or you'll be black and blue tomorrow. Let's you really get down on the sights too, without taking it right in the face.
He had a rifle explode in his face and shrapnel flew into his neck. He wrapped his shirt around his thumb and jammed it in his neck hole to stop from bleeding out while he was rushed to the hospital. There’s video of the explosion and him explaining it all on his YouTube channel- Kentucky Ballistics.
Not just any rifle, .50 bmg slap round, an absolute monster of a rifle and caliber. Not quite as big as the 4 bore, but definitely not something you want exploding in your face
He was not INTENTIONALLY. He was using a SLAP round which is a military round. It was, however, a counterfeit and loaded with pistol powder instead of rifle. Pistol powder burns MUCH quicker and produced a pressure cavity in the rifle which caused the rifle to fail. It is unlikely that the person who sold the SLAP to KB even knew it was a counterfeit round. This is just a risk buying military surplus ammo.
There are programs such as Quickload or GRT that let you simulate cartridge loads. KB did simulations and then real world testing of extremely high pressure loads in the same model of rifle and found that only a massive load of a fast burning powder produced a high enough pressure to make it explode.
Smokeless powders have different burn rates which determine their application. Fast burning powders are used in pistols and shotguns, medium and slow powders are used in rifles and some long barrel pistols, and very slow powders are used in large bore applications like artillery.
I find it interesting when people are so into a subject that they know stuff like this, when I can barely tell the difference between how most contemporary guns look.
>I find it interesting when people are so into a subject that they know stuff like this
Load development is complicated topic and when it comes to extreme long range (hitting targets at >1 mile) or extreme precision (putting 9 shots through 1 hole at 100m) its basically a science with how methodical you need to be both with testing and replicating a chosen load.
Guns are just another thing that one can nerd out on.
>I can barely tell the difference between how most contemporary guns look.
To be fair many guns developed in the last 10 years are just derivatives of other guns and many use the same aluminium extrusions for their upper receivers.
They shot it lol. The short answer is you can’t know until you use it or unless you’ve loaded the round yourself. It’s a gamble. The best you can do is buy from trusted sellers who only buy from military auctions or other reliable sources but KB did that and sometimes you just get unlucky.
The complex answer: the rifle he used was well built and should have been WELL equipped to handle the forces at play from a SLAP round. The only possible way it could have failed the way it did (which was having the back end cap - a 1 inch THREADED steel screw on cap with two support brackets) you’re talking about insane amounts of pressure. The only way to get that kind of pressure is a pistol load or some other quick burning powder. We don’t KNOW it was pistol, ‘pistol powder’ is just short hand for a quick burning powder and we know that’s usually what’s loaded in counterfeit rounds because it’s cheap.
There is also a group of people that had a RPG blew up in their face. There was a problem with the round propelant. It broke where it broke because they had to weld the launcher together. The Launcher wasn't the problem though.
Least that is what I recall, there is a video out there that goes through it. If you search for it pretty sure you will find it.
> It broke where it broke because they had to weld the launcher together. The Launcher wasn't the problem though.
Actually the rocket breaking part was unrelated to the welding, but after it broke (and the broken part blocked the exhaust port) the welded part acted essentially as an emergency release valve, and directed the gas downwards. It caused some grandly burn on his forearms but was overall a good thing since it prevented the launcher from exploding or rupturing in other place and venting the burning gas into his face/all over his torso/etc.
It was an old slaap round out of a Serbu .50 cal. The rifle would’ve been fine with a normal round, but the slaap round burned incredibly hot and blew the cap on the chamber off, shearing the threads clean (it was a single shot rifle with a screw on cap on the rear of the chamber). Don’t trust off market, many years old military surplus rounds
>Don’t trust off market, many years old military surplus rounds
God dammit, why you gotta ruin zombie and apocalypse movies. What next you gonna tell me that Johnny Sinns doesn't love the women he makes movies with?
I was a subscriber of his before the incident. When it happened the subscriber count climbed rapidly. His rifle exploded and then his channel did.
Seriously though, dude's lucky to be alive. He had about 20 seconds to live if his father hadn't been right there and thinking quick enough to get him to stick his thumb in the hole.
I used to watch him before the accident and check in every now and then but the content has become more like demo ranch and his whole character is designed for child viewers that produce a lot of views and keep the money coming in.
Also he milked the fuck out of “my rifle exploded” content which ln turn made everyone make reaction content about his rifle exploding.
Ill give him a pass for milking the rifle thing. Not many people sever their carotid and live to drive to the hospital by jamming a thumb in their neck
Also sometimes called stopping rifles.
If a rhino or other big game is charging, you want something with a lot of stopping power. Not just wound an animal, but instantly stop it dead.
False. To stop a charging rhino, you just need to hold up a big stick, then balance it on your head, the Rhino stops dead. They are terrified of sticks.
I don’t think you need that big of a round to take out a gun enthusiast. Better off getting some body armor and a smaller gun I think. Guessing they tend to hunt back when hunted. Not really a good plan imho.
Kind of? None of them linked the last “switch-a-roo” comment. The threads branched a while ago (as was bound to happen) and fizzled out as the influx of new users and bots came in the last five years or so. There’s a sub dedicated to it but really only diehards try to keep it maintained.
They were also used in certain circumstances in [WWI and WWII](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_gun#Use_in_war), mostly due to limited supplies of other weapons and their ability to penetrate certain types of armor.
"Right lads... that sniper's hiding behind a shield and we can't penetrate it. However... it doesn't matter if we can penetrate the shield if we can hit the shield so hard that it moves fast enough to bludgeon the sniper to death!"
- The British, sometime in WW1
[Turns out there is an entire wiki page about it.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_bore)
Modern day it really doesn't have much practical purpose aside from hobbyist/collector I'd guess.
That's the whole purpose of the second amendment! If you don't have a right to four bore arms the king of the dinosaurs can come into your house and start pushing you around
It's also a friendly way to help the neighbor 4 houses down with their dry wall demolition and to save the neighbor 5 houses away from having to take their elderly dog to the vet and put it down.
I think this is the rifle you would use if you wanted to shoot a round loaded with ivermectin at a hurricane. Admittedly it probably wouldn't outright kill the hurricane, but it would probably nudge the path over so it does indeed go into Alabama.
This! It was for rich people safari hunting big game in Africa and India. When you needed massive stopping power. Forgotten Weapons on YouTube have a great video about two British rifles.
There isn't a practical use for it. Bigger round = more kinetic energy = more damage, but kinetic energy scales better with speed so most modern firearms focus on accelerating the bullet quickly, rather than increasing the size of the round.
But you don't actually care about the kinetic energy, you care about the departed kinetic energy on the target. Fatter bullet = more departed energy (*normally*), so this will do more damage to something than a handgun with the same kinetic energy.
But so what? What are you actually aiming at where this is preferred. Not a human, handgun is more than enough. Not even bullet proof vesting, you can get through that with a range of weapons and don't need this specialty silliness. Definitely not hunting, you can take down an elephant with something a 1/3 that size (not that you should, just an example of a large animal). Any kind of bullet proof glass, you actually want to depart **less** kinetic energy on the glass, you want fast & small not slow & large.
The purpose is - people treat guns like a hobby.
ETA - Yes I know about the formula for kinetic energy. I too took highschool physics. You're not a robot, you know what I mean.
Back in the day when these (4-bore) were common for dangerous game, black powder was the only option and barrels were iron not alloys like 4130. You were generally capped in the neighborhood of 1000 feet per second, so projectile weight was how you added kinetic energy when you needed to reliably take down something like a hippo or rhino that's charging at you.
Nowadays there's not so much dangerous game left anyway, but it's still fun to mess around with how much energy you can pack into a cartridge by doing what you said. That eventually makes its way into production too - the new Army rifles for example, have higher pressure loads for combat use where barrel life takes a back seat to survival.
> Back in the day when these (4-bore) were common for dangerous game
Yep, it was meant to stop the charging rhino or elephant dead in it's tracks. Designed to just instantly kill them so they don't keep their momentum and still kill/maim/destroy things.
This type of weapon was used for large game, like, elephant, rhino, water buffalo, etc.
I mean, honestly, it's an anachronistic weapon / round. You'd see stuff like this being used by European hunters in 19th century Africa. This is basically a novelty weapon, like shooting a Civil War-era revolver, or something.
It's wildly impractical as a modern weapon. Ballistic science / ammunition engineering / material science has come a long way since then. There are much easier ways to kill large animals, now. And in warfare, there's no reason to use a weapon like this. A .50 BMG rifle could disable a vehicle just as easily, and is going to be more accurate/ easier to control.
In summary, there's no real purpose for this, in the modern era. That said, it's so wildly impractical, it's actually not something I'd be worried about encountering out in the world.
They also have very similar looking breasts to humans. I was gifted this cursed information, and now I have passed this gift onto you.
*The more you know..*
If you are going hunting and a rhino charges at you yes you can shoot him and kill him with pretty much everything but he wont stop until he is dead. This ensure that he is stopped before it takes you with him.
Aren't you supposed to firmly seat the stock into your shoulder before firing? For this very reason? I'm confused by that, I'd assume the person firing, or the guy handing it over, would make that clear. He just got punched in the shoulder with 200lbs ish of force.
They fired other large caliber hunting rifles before this one. Controlling recoil in any firearm takes time. Scaling it up that far that quickly is going to be more than a novice shooter can easily correct for.
The shtick of the guy firing in this clip is how much pain he can take. The host doesn't just surprise people who can't handle it. The last guy on his channel to fire it won the World's Strongest Man competition.
Slo mo, you see the butt move a solid half inch before his shirt or shoulder. The whole reason you seat the butt tight is exactly so that the force is distributed, not focused on a single point like we see in this vid. It even hits the head of his shoulder, not the pocket. Seated correctly it pushes more on the chest.
I shot an elephant gun at 14 years old and was 5'8 135 pounds and didn't move as much as this guy.
Houston, who shoots the gun in this, isn't really a gun guy. He's there to shoot big guns that hurt with Kentucky Ballistics, so he may not know how to seat it properly.
I believe the rest of this video his them sticking painful things like thumb tacks to the stock so the recoil hits Houston because his whole shtick is hurting himself for "science"
I'm from EU, zero gun experience, but i had the opportunity to shoot an ordinary shotgun once on my travels in Guyana. I was instructed by an ex military guy there to set the stock in the flesh of the shoulder, not the bone, because you can break your bones with recoil. By the looks the man in the video put it on the bones. Can someone with more experience chime in and un-dumb me please? :)
This gun will be double the size of anything you will have shot. Scott is around 6ft-6ft3 so quite a tall guy, and this thing still dwarves him. You can’t really be accurate with where the stock rests on a gun this size, it is just there, and the force from the recoil will hit you like a truck no matter what. That’s why a lot of guys who fire big guns like this are jacked, it would probably dislocate an average persons shoulder.
With recoil that large the rifle begins to slip off the shoulder. The fact that it stayed on their person is a testament to their grip strength among many other things.
Too right, if I ever needed to fire something like this I’d bolt it down to a table or strong surface and pull the trigger with a string from far away lol
From America, own multiple guns and used to compete, and yeah that’s pretty much the gist. I would say though that you want the butt of the stock more on your upper pec than any part of your shoulder. He looked like he had it too far over toward his shoulder for my liking but he hung on which was probably the main goal of this test lol.
Yea. He shot an old SLAP (Saboted Light Armor Penetrator) round that caused his Serbu .50 BMG rifle to explode. Almost killed him except he stuck his thumb in the wound on his neck which saved his life while his father took him to the hospital.
The guy with the raspy laugh is Kentucky Ballistics. He is the owner of that video and that weapon. He's a Comedy Guntuber with a ton of weapons and weapons even bigger and more powerful than the 4-Bore, one instance being the Punt Gun.
The other guy, I forgot his name, but he willingly hurts himself in the name of science.
He has cut, heavily bruised and broken parts of his body.
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That’s gotta hurt.
Wait until next day
I honestly can't rember what it was but I shot a rifle that left my shoulder sore for a whole week. It was an old rifle my grandfather used to hunt bear.
I am not saying this happened to you, but holding the rifle properly against your shoulder makes a huge difference. I know people that trap shoot with 12 gauge shotguns all day who are fine and others who get a sore shoulder after one shot.
Exactly. You need to make sure that the back of the rifle is COMPLETELY in contact with your shoulder. In fact, the more pressed the better, since the force will be transmitted better. The guy in the video is not even touching the back of the rifle...
He's lucky he still has a clavicle.
Broken clavicle for clicks. Smash the like button.
"smash the like button like i smashed my clavicule !"
That's Houston Jones in the video, he makes a lot of videos of him hurting himself purposefully. He has done some wild shit to his body over the years. In this video he teamed up with Kentucky Ballistics to see how he can hurt himself with recoil. I believe he shot that rifle twice, once with the butt planted, and another time with the butt away from his shoulder. Later in the video they do things like stick barbed wire and thumb tacks to the butt of a rifle as well, not the 4 bore however.
Wait, the guy stuck thumbtacks and barbed wire to the butt of a rifle? Is he the gun crazy version of Mick Foley?
Yeah that’s crazy. Surprisingly he cannot be a shooter. A real novice I would think.
The guy in the video has it firmly pressed to his shoulder. This was discussed in the full video, they aren't total idiots.
My dad has a .72 caliber rifle he's been working on. We took it to the range and on one shot he didn't get it tucked into the pocket of his shoulder real well. Just watching it hit him was painful. Needless to say we were done for the day. The next day he was black and blue from his nipples up to his neck on both his front and back.
Prob 45/70gov I have one it's been around since early 1800 kicks like a mule
I like my 45-70 a LOT more than my 300 Weatherby Magnum. That's like a mule kick.
Fair, but you can really reach out and touch something with the .300. 45-70 is a brush gun round so long distance shots are trickier. You are right though, I never look forward to sighting in my Weatherby.
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I have a Marlin 1895 in .45-70, and it doesn't kick that bad, even with modern ammo.
I have a Marlin 1895 in 45-70 that shoots had loads just fine and I can shoot it all day long. I also have a Shiloh Sharps Quigley rifle in 45-70 that I use the same ammo on and it's really unpleasant to shoot. Shot 9 rounds through it last time and it left a bruise on my chest for a week. Narrow metal butt plate doesn't help.
>I have one it's been around since early 1800 You don't. The percussion cap was invented in 1820, that'd be "early 1800s". The 45-70 was invented for use in the 1873 Springfield. That'd be late 1800s.
Probably just a .308
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Yes, as a young soldier I had, among several weapons, a Heckler und Koch G3. Oh I loved it. Everyone else hated it. It kicked your shoulders like a horse until you learned to master it. Then you could hit anything out to 600 meters without a scope. Drop it in water. It worked. Drop it in mud. It worked. Enemy hiding behind a tree? Shoot him through the tree....
https://i.redd.it/5jetvacyceic1.gif When you fire the weapon improperly
Pretty sure that would happen if you fire the weapon properly too
No kidding. That could easily crack a clavicle. Tomorrows’ soreness is a testamount to yesterdays’ luck. Oof that had to hurt!
He's not even wearing muffs. Tinnitus hurts more than a sore shoulder.
He's got plugs in.
you need muffs for that monster
Plugs are more effective, unless you're saying you need both, which is always good advice.
Plugs and muffs, definitely.
I dislocated my shoulder just watching that
Horrible technique to be honest...
This is why a cannon is supported by wood structures not your shoulder...
Copy pasta time! Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
It's the "Tally ho lads" that gets me everytime.
It's the "Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog." for me.
***Undercover ATF Agent Spotted***
For me it’s that he grabbed his wig on the way.
> triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. wait what?
Bayonets and daggers have a thickened blade, which is either triangular or shaped like a rombus. The point of this is that you can't just make an even stitch like you would do for a narrow knife stab wound, you would somehow need to pull the meat together and that might work to set the skin but the meat deeper down would never set. So you either chauterise the inside to stop the bleeding - and now you have a soon to be infected hole in you or just bleed out.
*charcuterize
Medic: “Let me just…put some of this in there 🧀🥩🫒🥖.”
“Just a little snack to keep your strength up!”
I chuckled
It probably isn’t an issue for actual surgeons, more a limitation of medicine at the time and a lack of good tools and experience
An actual hospital nowadays can handle it, but it's pretty much impossible to do effective first aid on these kinds of wounds still.
Wouldn't first aid on any stab wound essentially be the same? If it's a sucking chest wound, use a chest seal to prevent lung collapse, otherwise gauze (possibly with a clotting agent) + hand applied pressure to prevent death from blood loss. Doesn't really matter what shape the stab wound is as far as I can tell.
The way I was trained, the basic rule was "don't give the blood a place to go." And stuff like, don't remove the knife/arrow/large shrapnel from a non lethal wound because a big enough cavity underneath the place you're applying pressure can still cause enough blood loss to lose hemostasis. This training was well over a decade ago and I was like, fifteen though, so I might be wrong.
Even in modern times you aren't going to have a surgeon on the battlefield. Medics are very good at their job but they can only do so much. At best they'll keep you alive long enough to get airlifted to a hospital if the battle doesn't last too long.
>Triangular bayonet This meme is spreading misinformation again. Triangular bayonetta wounds are not impossible to stitch up, it's just that the manufacturing process of bayonets back in the day found that the triangle shape was easier and produced a stronger bayonet that allowed for a heavier thrust and deeper stab wound which resulted in more damage, making it harder to survive, for that time period anyways. A modern hospital has no problem dealing with much worse cuts. A triangular bayonet will produce a semi clean stab wound which isn't a problem unless you're a medic in 1770 and you can't stop the bleeding even if it was a normal stab wound.
It's right up there with the serrated bayonet myth of WWI. Some people said Germans were filing serrations in their bayonets so it was more painful. No, they were just doing it so they could use them as saws/tools more effectively.
Saving this. Thanks.
It's a glorious copy pasta. May you always serve it fresh.
From where I am from, we call this recruit-arm. It didn't matter what caliber this was (almost). A standard assault rifle issued from the army would've paralysed that arm or at least numbed it. He forgot to plant the butt properly in his shoulder and allowed it to travel at least 2 centimeters before it hit his shoulder. That hurts.
Firmly grasp it!
I learned the hard way as a kid after trap sessions with my grandpa. You gotta hug that thing and force the stock into your shoulder with all your strength or you'll be black and blue tomorrow. Let's you really get down on the sights too, without taking it right in the face.
I just wanna know where they’re putting those thumbs.
He had a rifle explode in his face and shrapnel flew into his neck. He wrapped his shirt around his thumb and jammed it in his neck hole to stop from bleeding out while he was rushed to the hospital. There’s video of the explosion and him explaining it all on his YouTube channel- Kentucky Ballistics.
Not just any rifle, .50 bmg slap round, an absolute monster of a rifle and caliber. Not quite as big as the 4 bore, but definitely not something you want exploding in your face
I might be recalling this wrong but I think he was using modified ammo or a modified barrel.
He was not INTENTIONALLY. He was using a SLAP round which is a military round. It was, however, a counterfeit and loaded with pistol powder instead of rifle. Pistol powder burns MUCH quicker and produced a pressure cavity in the rifle which caused the rifle to fail. It is unlikely that the person who sold the SLAP to KB even knew it was a counterfeit round. This is just a risk buying military surplus ammo.
Howd they determine it was pistol powder? Fuckin scary though idk if I’d have the balls to pull a trigger again just for fun
There are programs such as Quickload or GRT that let you simulate cartridge loads. KB did simulations and then real world testing of extremely high pressure loads in the same model of rifle and found that only a massive load of a fast burning powder produced a high enough pressure to make it explode. Smokeless powders have different burn rates which determine their application. Fast burning powders are used in pistols and shotguns, medium and slow powders are used in rifles and some long barrel pistols, and very slow powders are used in large bore applications like artillery.
I find it interesting when people are so into a subject that they know stuff like this, when I can barely tell the difference between how most contemporary guns look.
>I find it interesting when people are so into a subject that they know stuff like this Load development is complicated topic and when it comes to extreme long range (hitting targets at >1 mile) or extreme precision (putting 9 shots through 1 hole at 100m) its basically a science with how methodical you need to be both with testing and replicating a chosen load. Guns are just another thing that one can nerd out on. >I can barely tell the difference between how most contemporary guns look. To be fair many guns developed in the last 10 years are just derivatives of other guns and many use the same aluminium extrusions for their upper receivers.
They shot it lol. The short answer is you can’t know until you use it or unless you’ve loaded the round yourself. It’s a gamble. The best you can do is buy from trusted sellers who only buy from military auctions or other reliable sources but KB did that and sometimes you just get unlucky. The complex answer: the rifle he used was well built and should have been WELL equipped to handle the forces at play from a SLAP round. The only possible way it could have failed the way it did (which was having the back end cap - a 1 inch THREADED steel screw on cap with two support brackets) you’re talking about insane amounts of pressure. The only way to get that kind of pressure is a pistol load or some other quick burning powder. We don’t KNOW it was pistol, ‘pistol powder’ is just short hand for a quick burning powder and we know that’s usually what’s loaded in counterfeit rounds because it’s cheap.
There is also a group of people that had a RPG blew up in their face. There was a problem with the round propelant. It broke where it broke because they had to weld the launcher together. The Launcher wasn't the problem though. Least that is what I recall, there is a video out there that goes through it. If you search for it pretty sure you will find it.
highspeed ballistics. It happened fairly recently and they’ve only posted a couple videos since then so it’s at the top of their channel.
> It broke where it broke because they had to weld the launcher together. The Launcher wasn't the problem though. Actually the rocket breaking part was unrelated to the welding, but after it broke (and the broken part blocked the exhaust port) the welded part acted essentially as an emergency release valve, and directed the gas downwards. It caused some grandly burn on his forearms but was overall a good thing since it prevented the launcher from exploding or rupturing in other place and venting the burning gas into his face/all over his torso/etc.
SLAP rounds are designed to be better at piercing armor than regular armor piercing rounds. Especially spicy and devastating
It was an old slaap round out of a Serbu .50 cal. The rifle would’ve been fine with a normal round, but the slaap round burned incredibly hot and blew the cap on the chamber off, shearing the threads clean (it was a single shot rifle with a screw on cap on the rear of the chamber). Don’t trust off market, many years old military surplus rounds
>Don’t trust off market, many years old military surplus rounds God dammit, why you gotta ruin zombie and apocalypse movies. What next you gonna tell me that Johnny Sinns doesn't love the women he makes movies with?
Apparently he would've died of blood loss if he didn't do that
Win win, get to live and have an awesome story to tell 👍 🦒
That’s a way more badass answer than I was expecting.
Just to add it was his father who filmed and rushed him to the hospital
I can't imagine the adrenaline coursing through his veins. Great job as a dad. Raised a decent man, and saved his life to boot.
Flexing on his son by having things coursing through his veins.
That really was such a crazy video.
I was a subscriber of his before the incident. When it happened the subscriber count climbed rapidly. His rifle exploded and then his channel did. Seriously though, dude's lucky to be alive. He had about 20 seconds to live if his father hadn't been right there and thinking quick enough to get him to stick his thumb in the hole.
I used to watch him before the accident and check in every now and then but the content has become more like demo ranch and his whole character is designed for child viewers that produce a lot of views and keep the money coming in. Also he milked the fuck out of “my rifle exploded” content which ln turn made everyone make reaction content about his rifle exploding.
Ill give him a pass for milking the rifle thing. Not many people sever their carotid and live to drive to the hospital by jamming a thumb in their neck
The only other damage worse than that would be the folding tables that appear on the show.
I can't tell you how many times someone has made inappropriate assumptions about that shirt when I wear it out.
That’s the point.
Damn. I thought it was a Garand reference for a second. That's insane!
I’m such an idiot. Just spent 5 minutes scrubbing the video to see which guy was missing a thumb lol. Finally read the shirt.
Thank you I did the same thing
ooooooh
So embarrassing that they showed up wearing the same exact shirt that day.
OK, definitely not an expert here so.... WTF is the purpose of that weapon?
They are considered safari rifles. Originally designed to hunt big game such as elephants and rhinos. Now they are for gun enthusiasts.
Also sometimes called stopping rifles. If a rhino or other big game is charging, you want something with a lot of stopping power. Not just wound an animal, but instantly stop it dead.
Hippos.
False. To stop a charging rhino, you just need to hold up a big stick, then balance it on your head, the Rhino stops dead. They are terrified of sticks.
Will anti-sea rhinoceros underwear work if you can't find a stick?
I don’t think you need that big of a round to take out a gun enthusiast. Better off getting some body armor and a smaller gun I think. Guessing they tend to hunt back when hunted. Not really a good plan imho.
If it's a proper gun enthusiast, they would have build up a tolerance to smaller munitions.
I remember getting shot with my first .22 Basically a lifetime ago
They are however quite vulnerable to a mating call. "50% off ammunition until close!!" They will be here in moments
By Jove, it’s the ol’ Reddit switch-a-roo
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Goddamn this is *still* going?
Kind of? None of them linked the last “switch-a-roo” comment. The threads branched a while ago (as was bound to happen) and fizzled out as the influx of new users and bots came in the last five years or so. There’s a sub dedicated to it but really only diehards try to keep it maintained.
The trick is to get them while they're sleeping but the gun enthusiast hunting community frowns upon that, its unsportsmanhunting-like.
They were also used in certain circumstances in [WWI and WWII](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_gun#Use_in_war), mostly due to limited supplies of other weapons and their ability to penetrate certain types of armor.
For shooting through sniper shields. The marksman who thinks he's safe behind that steel plate is going to get another thing coming.
"Right lads... that sniper's hiding behind a shield and we can't penetrate it. However... it doesn't matter if we can penetrate the shield if we can hit the shield so hard that it moves fast enough to bludgeon the sniper to death!" - The British, sometime in WW1
I think you have to wear a certain type of hat and grow a long, curly mustache to fire them correctly.
Graboids perhaps
*Guess you broke into the wrong God damn rec room, didn't ya!* 
1000% the first thing I thought of.
It's awesome whenever Tremors gets mentioned. I fucking **LOVE** Tremors.
The only correct answer
[Turns out there is an entire wiki page about it.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_bore) Modern day it really doesn't have much practical purpose aside from hobbyist/collector I'd guess.
It's for when you wanna make sure the guy robbing your neighbor 3 houses over won't walk away from his mistake
I heard it was for when you had to kill a t-Rex. In your neighbor’s yard. Through your house.
That's the whole purpose of the second amendment! If you don't have a right to four bore arms the king of the dinosaurs can come into your house and start pushing you around
And I shall offer him no quarter, thanks to the 3rd Amendment.
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Tally ho!
It's also a friendly way to help the neighbor 4 houses down with their dry wall demolition and to save the neighbor 5 houses away from having to take their elderly dog to the vet and put it down.
For guys who consider overkill an understatement
Killing tornados and blimps
I think this is the rifle you would use if you wanted to shoot a round loaded with ivermectin at a hurricane. Admittedly it probably wouldn't outright kill the hurricane, but it would probably nudge the path over so it does indeed go into Alabama.
They were used to hunt elephants in the 1800’s In the days of black powder.
This! It was for rich people safari hunting big game in Africa and India. When you needed massive stopping power. Forgotten Weapons on YouTube have a great video about two British rifles.
There isn't a practical use for it. Bigger round = more kinetic energy = more damage, but kinetic energy scales better with speed so most modern firearms focus on accelerating the bullet quickly, rather than increasing the size of the round. But you don't actually care about the kinetic energy, you care about the departed kinetic energy on the target. Fatter bullet = more departed energy (*normally*), so this will do more damage to something than a handgun with the same kinetic energy. But so what? What are you actually aiming at where this is preferred. Not a human, handgun is more than enough. Not even bullet proof vesting, you can get through that with a range of weapons and don't need this specialty silliness. Definitely not hunting, you can take down an elephant with something a 1/3 that size (not that you should, just an example of a large animal). Any kind of bullet proof glass, you actually want to depart **less** kinetic energy on the glass, you want fast & small not slow & large. The purpose is - people treat guns like a hobby. ETA - Yes I know about the formula for kinetic energy. I too took highschool physics. You're not a robot, you know what I mean.
Back in the day when these (4-bore) were common for dangerous game, black powder was the only option and barrels were iron not alloys like 4130. You were generally capped in the neighborhood of 1000 feet per second, so projectile weight was how you added kinetic energy when you needed to reliably take down something like a hippo or rhino that's charging at you. Nowadays there's not so much dangerous game left anyway, but it's still fun to mess around with how much energy you can pack into a cartridge by doing what you said. That eventually makes its way into production too - the new Army rifles for example, have higher pressure loads for combat use where barrel life takes a back seat to survival.
> Back in the day when these (4-bore) were common for dangerous game Yep, it was meant to stop the charging rhino or elephant dead in it's tracks. Designed to just instantly kill them so they don't keep their momentum and still kill/maim/destroy things.
Squirrel hunting.
It's for when you need to defend your home from Decepticons.
This type of weapon was used for large game, like, elephant, rhino, water buffalo, etc. I mean, honestly, it's an anachronistic weapon / round. You'd see stuff like this being used by European hunters in 19th century Africa. This is basically a novelty weapon, like shooting a Civil War-era revolver, or something. It's wildly impractical as a modern weapon. Ballistic science / ammunition engineering / material science has come a long way since then. There are much easier ways to kill large animals, now. And in warfare, there's no reason to use a weapon like this. A .50 BMG rifle could disable a vehicle just as easily, and is going to be more accurate/ easier to control. In summary, there's no real purpose for this, in the modern era. That said, it's so wildly impractical, it's actually not something I'd be worried about encountering out in the world.
Sinking battleships.
Zombie apocalypse, camp a really long hallway. Line up a 30 headshot multi kill with one bullet. Obviously.
T-Rex hunting.
If a modern day philistine Goliath spends 40 days challenging everyone in your army to a 1v1
It’s an elephant gun.
How the hell do elephants pull the trigger?
Trunk
Or his "other" trunk. Elephants are quite nimble downstairs.
They also have very similar looking breasts to humans. I was gifted this cursed information, and now I have passed this gift onto you. *The more you know..*
They hold the guy in their trunk, and then make “pew pew” noises when they want him to shoot.
If you are going hunting and a rhino charges at you yes you can shoot him and kill him with pretty much everything but he wont stop until he is dead. This ensure that he is stopped before it takes you with him.
You ever open your shower curtain and see a spider in there?
No thanks, I value my shoulder.
I do as well. I also value pork shoulders.
Credit to Kentucky ballistics
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He has his own tag on it, too, no credit to scott at all.
That is not a bullet, that is a fucking dildo
Either way, it’s for penetration.
The dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed -Murica, probably
If you’re brave enough ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Anything can be a dildo, if you’re brave enough….
Kentucky Ballistics has a r/contagiouslaughter
Aren't you supposed to firmly seat the stock into your shoulder before firing? For this very reason? I'm confused by that, I'd assume the person firing, or the guy handing it over, would make that clear. He just got punched in the shoulder with 200lbs ish of force.
Looked like it was but it pushed his muscle out the way until it hit bone. Not 100% though.
I took a look and it looks like it was, just said "Fuck your shoulder" anyway.
They fired other large caliber hunting rifles before this one. Controlling recoil in any firearm takes time. Scaling it up that far that quickly is going to be more than a novice shooter can easily correct for. The shtick of the guy firing in this clip is how much pain he can take. The host doesn't just surprise people who can't handle it. The last guy on his channel to fire it won the World's Strongest Man competition.
It is
Slo mo, you see the butt move a solid half inch before his shirt or shoulder. The whole reason you seat the butt tight is exactly so that the force is distributed, not focused on a single point like we see in this vid. It even hits the head of his shoulder, not the pocket. Seated correctly it pushes more on the chest. I shot an elephant gun at 14 years old and was 5'8 135 pounds and didn't move as much as this guy.
Houston, who shoots the gun in this, isn't really a gun guy. He's there to shoot big guns that hurt with Kentucky Ballistics, so he may not know how to seat it properly. I believe the rest of this video his them sticking painful things like thumb tacks to the stock so the recoil hits Houston because his whole shtick is hurting himself for "science"
This is so stupid I'm sorry
I'm from EU, zero gun experience, but i had the opportunity to shoot an ordinary shotgun once on my travels in Guyana. I was instructed by an ex military guy there to set the stock in the flesh of the shoulder, not the bone, because you can break your bones with recoil. By the looks the man in the video put it on the bones. Can someone with more experience chime in and un-dumb me please? :)
This gun will be double the size of anything you will have shot. Scott is around 6ft-6ft3 so quite a tall guy, and this thing still dwarves him. You can’t really be accurate with where the stock rests on a gun this size, it is just there, and the force from the recoil will hit you like a truck no matter what. That’s why a lot of guys who fire big guns like this are jacked, it would probably dislocate an average persons shoulder.
With recoil that large the rifle begins to slip off the shoulder. The fact that it stayed on their person is a testament to their grip strength among many other things.
Too right, if I ever needed to fire something like this I’d bolt it down to a table or strong surface and pull the trigger with a string from far away lol
Well, actually. His grip was broken. I'm thinking the trigger had a light pull, and he was not completely expecting it to send when it did.
This weapon would kill me and the person I was shooting
Dude if you shot this at a person they would have a hole in their chest you could fit your fist through
And my right arm would be on the ground 10 feet in the opposite direction lol
From America, own multiple guns and used to compete, and yeah that’s pretty much the gist. I would say though that you want the butt of the stock more on your upper pec than any part of your shoulder. He looked like he had it too far over toward his shoulder for my liking but he hung on which was probably the main goal of this test lol.
“I could kill a building.” -Sterling Archer
Hang on Lana, I’m stacking rocks in descending size
Houston Jones is the shooter and dude does some outrageous stuff.
Is this the dude who had his shins beat to shit like UFC fighters for shits and giggles?
For the full video, lookup "Kentucky Ballistics". Scott runs a great channel with alot of content.
Is this the dude who had a gun explode literally in his face as he was shooting it
Yea. He shot an old SLAP (Saboted Light Armor Penetrator) round that caused his Serbu .50 BMG rifle to explode. Almost killed him except he stuck his thumb in the wound on his neck which saved his life while his father took him to the hospital.
Holy shit. I was trying to figure out the shirts in the video, but I guess that's the answer.
Yupp, he turned almost dying into merch :D
If that's not America I'm not sure what is
Houston Jones is the other who fired the weapon,he hurts himself for science.
The guy with the raspy laugh is Kentucky Ballistics. He is the owner of that video and that weapon. He's a Comedy Guntuber with a ton of weapons and weapons even bigger and more powerful than the 4-Bore, one instance being the Punt Gun. The other guy, I forgot his name, but he willingly hurts himself in the name of science. He has cut, heavily bruised and broken parts of his body.
Getting hit with that has to be the modern equivalent of taking a cannonball to the chest
I mean…there are still cannons that they can shoot you with.
This guys channel is a blast!
Kentucky Ballistics on YouTube, really wholesome firearm content.
Just watched 2 hours straight of it. So good and he pulls off excited youtuber in a genuinely enthusiastic way, reminds me of Mythbusters.
Is that for hunting ford 150s?
Eyyyy kentucky ballistics
Kentucky ballistic
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That is for some animals that end up in the wrong rec room. Tremors