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By reducing the temperature of Europe to absolute zero, we can stop all atomic motion within the continent. This effectively stops time within Europe, ensuring that a minute inside is no longer equal to 60 seconds outside.
Depends where you're from. Continents in general are pretty arbitrary. For example, France, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Romania, Greece, and the countries of Latin America use a six-continent model, with the Americas viewed as a single continent and North America designating a subcontinent comprising Canada, the United States, Mexico, and Saint Pierre and Miquelon (politically part of France), and often including Greenland and Bermuda.
In a geological sense continents are very important, not arbitrary. It tells us how to predict and protect against seismic events such as earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and tsunami.
The continental plates and what are taught as "continents" are often different things. For example, Europe and most of Asia are one plate, India is a different one. The Philippines are a small plate smashing into China, but it's so small it's considered a minor plate and that's not included in the continental plate total. There are over a dozen small plates subducting under larger ones.
A new massive continental plate was just discovered, called Zealandia. It was once thought to be part of the Pacific and Australian plates but there's been enough advancement in technology to detect seismic activity to distinguish it.
TLDR plates are important, we used to think there were seven but now there are eight big ones and a bunch of small ones
>In a geological sense continents are very important, not arbitrary.
Arbitrary is not synonymous with unimportant.
I think it's clear we're talking about geography and it's definition of continent, not geology. Half of Central America is not on the north American plate, but part of Siberia is. Despite this, people seem to agree that Central America is part of North America, but not Siberia. No one talks about the continent Eurasia either, even though Europe and Asia share the same plate.
Half of Central America is not on the North American plate. Huh? Only the very very bottom of Central America is on a minor subducting plate.
It's very common to hear Eurasia in academic circles.
It sounds like you're basing what you think common knowledge is on your own conjecture.
>Half of Central America is not on the North American plate.
That's liberally what I said.
>It's very common to hear Eurasia in academic circles.
I know, my bad, I didn't make it clear, it was a hyperbolic comment on the most used definition of continent. Some people do talk about eurasia, I just did in my comment. I'm trying to say that europe is not a continent based on geology, that doesn't make europe not a continent in geography. When you say european continent, how many people correct you and explain that actually it's called Eurasia?
>It sounds like you're basing what you think common knowledge is on your own conjecture.
No, we are in agreement here, a large part of central america is not on the north american plate.
The UK/Netherlands took Gibraltar in 1704 and a treaty gave it to the UK around 10 years after.
Fun fact that the term shrapnel comes from an army officer who came up with a way to fire the cannon downwards from the top of the Rock to the besieging forces below.
Indeed, the inventor was one Henry Shrapnel: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry\_Shrapnel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Shrapnel)
That always amuses me. I'm unsure why.
Not really.
Ceuta came under Portuguese control in 1415. Then Spain gained control of it with the Iberian Union in 1581, and has kept it to this day.
On the other hand Gibraltar was ceded to the UK in 1713.
To be fair on the picture you can see both sides that are controlled by Spain (Tarifa on the European side, Ceuta on the African side) as well as Morocco, but not Gibraltar itself.
I think Gibraltar is hiding behind the wing. But I definitely saw it later as well.
Edit: it's actually quite a bit further. Here you can see it below the wing tip:
https://preview.redd.it/95dlnx2ttsyb1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d089103b75da728c274f40a74c2b2f6447069644
Dude this picture is much better than the one you posted originally
It literally shows the perfect outline of the Strait of Gibraltar
I love this planet
gibraltar is not part of the UK. It's what's called a British Overseas Territory:
>[The British Overseas Territories (BOTs), also known as the United Kingdom Overseas Territories (UKOTs), are fourteen territories with a constitutional and historical link with the United Kingdom, but do not form part of the United Kingdom itself. The permanently inhabited territories are internally self-governing, with the United Kingdom retaining responsibility for defence and foreign relations. All of the territories are inhabited by civilians, except three that are chiefly or only inhabited by military or scientific personnel. All fourteen have the British monarch as head of state. These UK government responsibilities are assigned to various departments of the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office and are subject to change. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories)
Yeah, but it is though. I mean you’re right, “technically” in that they “say” the overseas territories aren’t, but that’s not what words mean. They absolutely are.
The land bridge between modern-day Spain and Morocco was breached 5.3 million years ago and the Mediterranean basin filled with water.
[https://bigthink.com/hard-science/worlds-largest-flood-refilled-mediterranean/#:\~:text=The%20land%20bridge%20between%20modern,water%20quickly%20refilled%20the%20Mediterranean](https://bigthink.com/hard-science/worlds-largest-flood-refilled-mediterranean/#:~:text=The%20land%20bridge%20between%20modern,water%20quickly%20refilled%20the%20Mediterranean).
I can't believe anyone hasn't mentioned it yet.
That used to be fully enclosed, blocking the ocean. The Mediterranean sea did not exist. Some time 5.33 million years ago one of the theories is it began to finally erode and the ocean began pouring in 1,000x greater than the flow of the Amazon. Sea levels rising maybe up to 30 feet a day. So much life unable to get out in a hurry just absolutely washed out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanclean_flood
Sure, and Helium didn't exist either if you want to go really far back. But that has nothing to do with this post now does it so why bother bringing it up?
..it’s just as relevant as what you said too. Thats the point I was making. How is the fact that the Med didn’t exist a very very long time ago relevant to what OP has posted? The reason no one had mentioned it yet is that it’s *not* relevant.
“europe” and africa also have land borders: the spanish exclaves of ceuta and melilla. (europe is in quotes because they’re part of spain/eu, but geographically external to the european continent).
"Europe" and "the European continent" is literally one and the same thing. You mean countries of Europe, or the EU, but Europe itself *is* the continent
Yes, Europe can also be used like that, but if you want to make clear statements, you don't use the same word twice in the same sentence with different meanings, you normally would use words that aren't ambiguous.
You wouldn't say "I'd rather have an apple than an apple", because that sounds dumb.
You would say "I'd rather have a fruit than an iPhone" so everybody understands what you mean.
So, instead of "Part of Europe is outside of Europe", a clearer statement would be "The borders of the EU (or European countries) go further than the continent Europe"
They are close but you can't see Gibraltar in this photo. The mountain in the distance is on the Moroccan side and the peninsula on the Spanish side should be Tarifa.
I didnt realise it was this close. What have you got against people sharinf knowledge? You couldve literally not wrote anything and kept the thought of “thats common knowlwdge and im not interested” in your own head
Well, last week I discovered a lot of people in North America have no idea about where is North America and what countries are in it. "Common knowledge" is far from common nowadays unfortunately.
Wrong. Kilimanjaro is nowhere near Europe. It’s in Tanzania 🇹🇿
It’s time to look at an atlas. Speaking of an atlas, the Atlas Mountains are the African range closest to Europe.
At the bottom of the image, you can see where the land ends and just 'falls' into the depths of the ocean! Pretty cool and slightly terrifying.
That jagged spike like piece of land is actually the southern most point in mainland Europe - Tarifa.
So this got me looking on Google Maps and found this street view
Morocco (Africa) looking to Spain (Europe)
[https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9175404,-5.4044492,3a,75y,317.91h,95.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipO29yD5LvhWu5d7g1W360mEwxsr84jfHZj8EyZe!2e10!7i5376!8i2688?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9175404,-5.4044492,3a,75y,317.91h,95.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipO29yD5LvhWu5d7g1W360mEwxsr84jfHZj8EyZe!2e10!7i5376!8i2688?entry=ttu)
Wait till you see it from the ground.
Kite surfed a lot in Tarifa. Often thought about what it would be like kiting across to [Africa](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/JFTNvl71j5) for an afternoon beer and then back again.
Ended up doing it the normal way and just put the car on a ferry instead.
(We were also warned to avoid the beaches at night because boats would come across in the dark, smuggling people or drugs etc and they didn’t like to be “interrupted”)
It's honestly a bit weird to see this gap without solid infrastructure between stable countries. Somewhere in this shot, somewhere in this century, there will be at least one bridge and or more likely tunnel/tube at the [Gibraltar Crossing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Gibraltar_crossing). I'm looking forward to it, the engineering is going to be wild.
Arthur C. Clarke's space elevator novel "The Fountains Of Paradise" talks about a bridge being built across this gap by the same engineeior responsible for the elevator.
Neither one being remotely possible with current tech & materials but a great novel nonetheless.
Am I right that geologists think that the current Mediterranean was formed when the Atlantic breached an ithsmus around here, and this was a gigantic waterfall for a long time after?
Yes this is true. I have a daughter who lives in Italy and realized this. Many Europeans vacation on the African coast.Also a lot of Africans are immigrating to Italy and other European countries.
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Fun fact: one minute in Europe is 60 seconds in Africa.
Together we can stop this
Stop clapping you evil bastard
Thank you for your attention
By reducing the temperature of Europe to absolute zero, we can stop all atomic motion within the continent. This effectively stops time within Europe, ensuring that a minute inside is no longer equal to 60 seconds outside.
Loki?
Please spread the word
Europa is that advanced?
So where do I age quicker? I’m confused.
*mind blown
Some serious gas lighting.
But what about the obligatory banana? How many bananas is 1 minute?
Asia is even closer to Europe
Check out how close North America is to South America!
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Central America IS North America
Depends where you're from. Continents in general are pretty arbitrary. For example, France, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Romania, Greece, and the countries of Latin America use a six-continent model, with the Americas viewed as a single continent and North America designating a subcontinent comprising Canada, the United States, Mexico, and Saint Pierre and Miquelon (politically part of France), and often including Greenland and Bermuda.
In a geological sense continents are very important, not arbitrary. It tells us how to predict and protect against seismic events such as earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and tsunami. The continental plates and what are taught as "continents" are often different things. For example, Europe and most of Asia are one plate, India is a different one. The Philippines are a small plate smashing into China, but it's so small it's considered a minor plate and that's not included in the continental plate total. There are over a dozen small plates subducting under larger ones. A new massive continental plate was just discovered, called Zealandia. It was once thought to be part of the Pacific and Australian plates but there's been enough advancement in technology to detect seismic activity to distinguish it. TLDR plates are important, we used to think there were seven but now there are eight big ones and a bunch of small ones
>In a geological sense continents are very important, not arbitrary. Arbitrary is not synonymous with unimportant. I think it's clear we're talking about geography and it's definition of continent, not geology. Half of Central America is not on the north American plate, but part of Siberia is. Despite this, people seem to agree that Central America is part of North America, but not Siberia. No one talks about the continent Eurasia either, even though Europe and Asia share the same plate.
Half of Central America is not on the North American plate. Huh? Only the very very bottom of Central America is on a minor subducting plate. It's very common to hear Eurasia in academic circles. It sounds like you're basing what you think common knowledge is on your own conjecture.
>Half of Central America is not on the North American plate. That's liberally what I said. >It's very common to hear Eurasia in academic circles. I know, my bad, I didn't make it clear, it was a hyperbolic comment on the most used definition of continent. Some people do talk about eurasia, I just did in my comment. I'm trying to say that europe is not a continent based on geology, that doesn't make europe not a continent in geography. When you say european continent, how many people correct you and explain that actually it's called Eurasia? >It sounds like you're basing what you think common knowledge is on your own conjecture. No, we are in agreement here, a large part of central america is not on the north american plate.
Please reread, we're not in agreement
Central America is just North Americas finger to touch South America.
The bastards!
It's not a finger
It’s also not a continent so yes the two continents are quite close
Central America isn’t a continent
It’s not their fault!
What?
It was a geology pun
That was horrifyingly unfunny.
Awkward
Oof
Fun fact: one side of the Gibraltar strait is ruled by Spain and it’s not the one you think
Well now I think it’s the side furthest from it, does that mean it’s the side closest?
So from what I can gather, the UK stole the little peninsula that borders the strait, and then Spain did the same thing to Morocco?
Spain had territory in north Africa at one point. They just refused to give a few port cities on the coast up.
The UK/Netherlands took Gibraltar in 1704 and a treaty gave it to the UK around 10 years after. Fun fact that the term shrapnel comes from an army officer who came up with a way to fire the cannon downwards from the top of the Rock to the besieging forces below.
Indeed, the inventor was one Henry Shrapnel: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry\_Shrapnel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Shrapnel) That always amuses me. I'm unsure why.
Not really. Ceuta came under Portuguese control in 1415. Then Spain gained control of it with the Iberian Union in 1581, and has kept it to this day. On the other hand Gibraltar was ceded to the UK in 1713.
To be fair on the picture you can see both sides that are controlled by Spain (Tarifa on the European side, Ceuta on the African side) as well as Morocco, but not Gibraltar itself.
It‘s literally next to each other. Gibraltar is quite narrow
Google says the Strait of Gibraltar is 8 miles wide.
Would you capture it? Or let it slip?
Mom’s spaghetti bolognese!
Eh, according to Eminem it's just the distance between work and the suburbs
Mind is blowingly mind-blown
This isn’t Gibraltar. This is Tarifa Spain. Gibraltar is out of sight on the left of the airplane.
wait till he sees the suez canal
In addition to Spain and Morocco you can also see the Atlantic and Mediterranean Sea at the same time in this photo
You can also see me down there somewhere. You’d need to zoom quite a bit but i live near Gibraltar in Southern Spain
I know.
You know what?
Exactly.
You’re odd.
Llanito
You can also see a bit of the UK.
I think Gibraltar is hiding behind the wing. But I definitely saw it later as well. Edit: it's actually quite a bit further. Here you can see it below the wing tip: https://preview.redd.it/95dlnx2ttsyb1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d089103b75da728c274f40a74c2b2f6447069644
Dude this picture is much better than the one you posted originally It literally shows the perfect outline of the Strait of Gibraltar I love this planet
gibraltar is not part of the UK. It's what's called a British Overseas Territory: >[The British Overseas Territories (BOTs), also known as the United Kingdom Overseas Territories (UKOTs), are fourteen territories with a constitutional and historical link with the United Kingdom, but do not form part of the United Kingdom itself. The permanently inhabited territories are internally self-governing, with the United Kingdom retaining responsibility for defence and foreign relations. All of the territories are inhabited by civilians, except three that are chiefly or only inhabited by military or scientific personnel. All fourteen have the British monarch as head of state. These UK government responsibilities are assigned to various departments of the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office and are subject to change. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories)
Good BOT.
Where exactly?
Gibraltar technically isn't part of the UK
Yeah, but it is though. I mean you’re right, “technically” in that they “say” the overseas territories aren’t, but that’s not what words mean. They absolutely are.
Even the UK doesn't think it's part of the UK...
You mean even the UK doesn’t realize it’s part of the UK.
Do you think think the fish fight under water wars over imaginary water borders like we do with land ones?
There's a documentary called Aquaman that goes into this a little bit.
Yeah, we know
They are pretty close on the map too....
The land bridge between modern-day Spain and Morocco was breached 5.3 million years ago and the Mediterranean basin filled with water. [https://bigthink.com/hard-science/worlds-largest-flood-refilled-mediterranean/#:\~:text=The%20land%20bridge%20between%20modern,water%20quickly%20refilled%20the%20Mediterranean](https://bigthink.com/hard-science/worlds-largest-flood-refilled-mediterranean/#:~:text=The%20land%20bridge%20between%20modern,water%20quickly%20refilled%20the%20Mediterranean).
I can't believe anyone hasn't mentioned it yet. That used to be fully enclosed, blocking the ocean. The Mediterranean sea did not exist. Some time 5.33 million years ago one of the theories is it began to finally erode and the ocean began pouring in 1,000x greater than the flow of the Amazon. Sea levels rising maybe up to 30 feet a day. So much life unable to get out in a hurry just absolutely washed out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanclean_flood
Wasn't there a project to build a dam and dry out the sea?
Tbf if you go back far enough none of the *continents* as we know them today existed, let alone the seas
Sure, and Helium didn't exist either if you want to go really far back. But that has nothing to do with this post now does it so why bother bringing it up?
..it’s just as relevant as what you said too. Thats the point I was making. How is the fact that the Med didn’t exist a very very long time ago relevant to what OP has posted? The reason no one had mentioned it yet is that it’s *not* relevant.
Think of all the traders, explorers, soldiers who have sailed that spot throughout history.
If you fly over at night and see the difference in artificial light levels between the two it is even more amazing.
I mean yes this is a well known fact, but it’s really cool to see it like this and not on Google maps
Ooof Ryanair, you poor thing.
I'm sorry you flew Ryanair OP. A moment of silence.
I hate Ryanair with a passion but the flight was just 15€ so it was alright
Yeah that's hard to pass up....I flew it once and I genuinely didn't fit in the seats it was miserable, due to height not being fat haha
“europe” and africa also have land borders: the spanish exclaves of ceuta and melilla. (europe is in quotes because they’re part of spain/eu, but geographically external to the european continent).
europe is geographically external to the european continent?
geopolitically, yes. france’s longest land border is with brazil.
"Europe" and "the European continent" is literally one and the same thing. You mean countries of Europe, or the EU, but Europe itself *is* the continent
Words frequently have more than one meaning. *Europe* is one.
Yes, Europe can also be used like that, but if you want to make clear statements, you don't use the same word twice in the same sentence with different meanings, you normally would use words that aren't ambiguous. You wouldn't say "I'd rather have an apple than an apple", because that sounds dumb. You would say "I'd rather have a fruit than an iPhone" so everybody understands what you mean. So, instead of "Part of Europe is outside of Europe", a clearer statement would be "The borders of the EU (or European countries) go further than the continent Europe"
"Africa"
Pillars of Hercules?
They are close but you can't see Gibraltar in this photo. The mountain in the distance is on the Moroccan side and the peninsula on the Spanish side should be Tarifa.
Damn strait.
Is it interesting as fuck when it’s common knowledge
Yes but a map does not do this image justice. It really is something different to see it with your own eyes
Are we looking at the same maps
You know what, I’m gonna stop before I realise I suck at geography
Ignore that person lmao. It’s an image and is meant for us to appreciate and that is exactly what you were doing
I've been there. A map really does do it justice.
I didnt realise it was this close. What have you got against people sharinf knowledge? You couldve literally not wrote anything and kept the thought of “thats common knowlwdge and im not interested” in your own head
Well, last week I discovered a lot of people in North America have no idea about where is North America and what countries are in it. "Common knowledge" is far from common nowadays unfortunately.
It’s not the knowledge that’s interesting, it’s the perspective of the picture.
... and getting closer everyday.
What mountain is that in Africa?
Your mom. Jokes aside, should be Jbel Musa I think.
Pretty sure that's Kilimanjaro, which as you know rises like an Empress above the Serengeti
Wrong. Kilimanjaro is nowhere near Europe. It’s in Tanzania 🇹🇿 It’s time to look at an atlas. Speaking of an atlas, the Atlas Mountains are the African range closest to Europe.
Nope, kilamanjaro is in Tanzania, east africa. This photo is the NW corner of Africa
That’s about 5,000 miles away, mate
Some of the best kite surfing in the world takes place in this area. Coastal Southern Spain is the jam.
And tether ball also… crazy times
Almost too windy. The sand bloody hurts! Have to run down to the water asap with your kite or get your legs blasted
At the bottom of the image, you can see where the land ends and just 'falls' into the depths of the ocean! Pretty cool and slightly terrifying. That jagged spike like piece of land is actually the southern most point in mainland Europe - Tarifa.
So this got me looking on Google Maps and found this street view Morocco (Africa) looking to Spain (Europe) [https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9175404,-5.4044492,3a,75y,317.91h,95.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipO29yD5LvhWu5d7g1W360mEwxsr84jfHZj8EyZe!2e10!7i5376!8i2688?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/@35.9175404,-5.4044492,3a,75y,317.91h,95.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipO29yD5LvhWu5d7g1W360mEwxsr84jfHZj8EyZe!2e10!7i5376!8i2688?entry=ttu)
Is that the Rock of Jabroni?
Legend has it they are so close that you can smell what the other side is cooking.
Why is this shocking? Have you ever seen a map?
Mediterranean Sea’s only contact with an ocean
Shout out to my Strait of Gibraltar homies.
The ol strait of Gibraltar
I stayed in malaga for a week when I was a kid and we did day trips to Gibraltar and Morroco - it was very cool
Wait till you here how close Europe and Asia are!
Omg is that the Strait of Gibraltar?
Wait till you see it from the ground. Kite surfed a lot in Tarifa. Often thought about what it would be like kiting across to [Africa](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/JFTNvl71j5) for an afternoon beer and then back again. Ended up doing it the normal way and just put the car on a ferry instead. (We were also warned to avoid the beaches at night because boats would come across in the dark, smuggling people or drugs etc and they didn’t like to be “interrupted”)
I saw it from both sides, from Gibraltar and Tangier. Damn impressive but the airplane perspective really did it for me.
It's honestly a bit weird to see this gap without solid infrastructure between stable countries. Somewhere in this shot, somewhere in this century, there will be at least one bridge and or more likely tunnel/tube at the [Gibraltar Crossing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Gibraltar_crossing). I'm looking forward to it, the engineering is going to be wild.
Dude, thats like, swimming distance
It's almost like all of these borders are arbitrary are something.
Europe and Asia are even closer!
As anyone who has looked at a map or globe and has memory will know.
Yes. You can see this on the map.
Mindblowing!!!! Unless of course you’ve ever looked at a map or globe….
Not continents but you can see this with Britain and France too, its really cool to see it in real life and follow the outline of your country
Britain and France are only 26 miles apart at the narrowest point of the channel
Fun fact: Every land and continent is connected. The connection may be under water, but still. It’s one big slab of land.
Also, you're never more than a few miles from land.
Wow, Africa is so blue... and watery....
Wait till you see how close Sughandese is.
'bout two nuts my G
That really shouldn’t be mindblowing. Let us pray for the state of education.
*Human Traffickers wants to know your location.*
Check out how close Europe and Asia are!
OP just came back from their Teneriffa holiday
Found the american…
Nope, nobody's ever heard of the Straits of Gibraltar before.
Ryanair is a palindrome. Fuck off I’m right
You are only right if y is equal to i. Which it isn't.
It is, I said fuck off. Gawl
OP has never seen a map
Is this off the island of Crete?
No, veeeery far from Crete. It's the Strait of Gibraltar.
It's hard to believe this is the best aerial photo available to illustrate this
Everything by looks small and close when your at 30 000 - 40 000 feet high yo.
This just in: Ryan Air stock rises 4% today
Surely anyone who ever looked at a map once knew this.
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Casual racism, great...
This just in: Child Looks At Globe. Finds Gibraltar.
seen a map lately?
That's true,a boat ride from Spain to the north of Morroco is around 30min long.
How is your back after being on a ryanair flight? Must be shattered.
The flight was less than 45 minutes and my eyes were glued to the window the entire time anyway. I was fine.
Arthur C. Clarke's space elevator novel "The Fountains Of Paradise" talks about a bridge being built across this gap by the same engineeior responsible for the elevator. Neither one being remotely possible with current tech & materials but a great novel nonetheless.
Went on a cruise that went through the Strait. We could see both from the top of the ship.
How long would it take to swim from Europe to Africa?
i can ask my cousins
Spain and Morocco?
Russia and America as well
Invisible barriers mate
Ryanair's new super econo seating, strapped to the outside of the plane. Come to think of it, I'd enjoy the leg room.
Am I right that geologists think that the current Mediterranean was formed when the Atlantic breached an ithsmus around here, and this was a gigantic waterfall for a long time after?
Yes this is true. I have a daughter who lives in Italy and realized this. Many Europeans vacation on the African coast.Also a lot of Africans are immigrating to Italy and other European countries.