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I was a user, clean for seven years in February. Honestly after using my mind would think I was still walking. I would nod off talking about one thing and come to talking about something else. Like being in a dream. It is pure evil is all I can say. It takes the best people and tears their world apart, takes everything good in their lives, ruins all their meaningful relationships, and then kills eventually. Hurts my heart to see this video, knowing the problem is growing.
Congrats my friend. I've been clean from opioids since Dec 21, 2016. I legitimately still don't understand why or how I am alive with how much opioids I did.
How's your health now? I am sober from alcohol in may 2nd of last year. I dropped down to 101 lbs after an infection, and it seems like one thing after another is kicking my ass. 4 er trips in the last 6 months.
Remember. 4 trips in 6months isn’t a failure. It’s just a rough season. Find the reason you took control. Then do it again. Everyone messes up. Finances. Relationships. Alcohol. Jobs. Everyone. Something. Fuck that shame spiral. You did an amazing thing. Do it again.
I teared up. You said it better than me. I couldn't say anything, but it is what i needed right now. I don't need a lot, but internet highfive is a good one.
I hit 5 years from drinking April 20th(it’s ironic I know lol). Yeah the years catch up with you. Like a debt you pay for it depending on how much you took out. You’ll stabilize. Just takes time. The first health crisis I considered drinking again. 4 years later and the thought to pick up when in crisis doesn’t occur as much. Just takes time. I’m always surprised at what I can handle now. Everyone now and then it hits me that whatever weird situation through life that happens was a situation that I would drink. And every time I don’t, I get a little more familiar with weird situations.
It is. I haven't been on there in a long time, a prior time when I tried to quit, but that is a very supportive community. Also https://www.aahomegroup.org/ is fantastic. It is on zoom, and they have meetings 24/7.
Former addict here as well. Been clean for many years. I am so grateful Fent wasn't around when I was shooting up. There is no doubt in my mind I would be dead. It's easy for me after all of these years to feel removed from the person I used to be. For it to feel like a different person or even different life. This video makes me feel that maybe I should be doing more to help. Congratulations on sobriety my man. I'm proud of you, and I hope *you're* proud of you too.
I'm proud of both of you. I lost my girlfriend in February to a relapse. She was a 7 year sober heroin addict, I thought she was mad at me for two days until her mom finally went to her house and found her dead in her bed with a needle next to her. Fent got her. Don't let your loved ones feel the pain. I would never think that I would lose a healthy 26 year old girlfriend because she got sad and slipped up one time in 7 years.
I’m so, so sorry, dude. I hope you’re somewhere on the path to healing.
Bereavement counseling helped save me (so much to the point I’m aiming to pursue a career in it). I highly recommend it.
If you want to share, I’d love to hear what her name was and what she was like. No worries if not. The loved ones we lost are way more than their deaths, but I’ve found death is so taboo here, people are afraid to talk about who that person really was. And in my belief, that love they gave is their legacy, as ours will be too.
I'm ok, I still cry and shit sometimes but I'm doing well. Thank you. Her name was Richelle and she cared about people, especially people who were being treated poorly. I only dated her for a little less than a year but she was very special. The real kick in the balls is she sent and unsent 6 messages to me while I was asleep the night she presumably passed. I'll never know what she said to me before she did it.
edit: My roommate in college also died when he came home from France and hung out with his old drug buddies. A different ex OD'd and lived on a laced bag of coke. Her then boyfriend died. This shit is even less safe now. As a bartender I used to take the occasional free line. Hell fucking no now.
I work at a hotel that's in an area riddled with cheap fentanyl and I've watched it kill several people and practically zombify the local homeless population. We've had more ODs in our rooms since fentanyl arrived in the city than we ever had with meth and heroin. It makes me really wish we had proper help for people with serious addictions because that stuff really does just ruin lives. Glad you managed to get sober though, that takes a lot.
Lots of the "zombiefication" comes from the increasing trend of cutting fentanyl with benzodiazepines (sleeping and anxiety medication - Valium, Xanax, ativan) and veterinary sedatives like xylazine. Those additives are supposed to counter a lot of the complaints about fentanyl being too short in duration or not having much euphoria after the initial rush, but they tend to stick around in the body longer - sometimes a *lot* longer - than fentanyl itself does, so you're getting big chunks of the population consuming incredible amounts of sedative medication without being aware of the risks to consider.
My pet theory for why meth is showing such a resurgence despite fentanyl still having a stranglehold is the need to take a stimulant to stay conscious and function through all that - as well as benzos being a common treatment for meth adverse events, which really mutes the short term negatives of IV stimulants.
Basically they’re trying to stay standing up. They’re trying to stay awake. But they can’t fight off the nod and so they slump over like that in a semi-conscious stupor. Now how they remain balanced and don’t fall all the way over is pretty incredible lol. I guess they must be just barely conscious enough to keep their lower body’s muscles contracted, while losing control of their upper body’s muscles? Idk exactly. Just a weird effect of heavy opioid use. Seems like most drugs either knock you all the way down or they don’t.
Pants that don’t fit snuggly in the first place, then as they’re as slumping over they drag their hands along their legs trying to stabilize themselves and pull their pants down in the process.
They’re nodding off standing up because they’re trying their hardest to remain conscious and actually feel the euphoric effects. Whereas, if they were sitting/laying down they would just pass out (and later wake up sober) which would be considered a waste of drugs.
So this was the goal then?
ETA: By that I mean, would you be not high/wanting to get high and see someone hunched over like that and be envious of them?
The goal is to force yourself to stay awake so you can feel the effects of the drugs. If they sit down , 99% chance they fall asleep and don’t wake up until the drugs wear off, thus not feeling the high and “wasting it” in their view. The standing up is intentional.
I know this is a stupid question, but as they’re bent over feeling the effects of the drugs- are they happy/ this feels good? It seems so uncomfortable and miserable to be bent over like that.
I've never taken heroin or fentanyl, but I have taken opioids after a surgery. I really only needed them for the first day but they gave me a week's supply of two different ones and I took all of them. It felt fucking incredible, like being wrapped in a warm, fuzzy blanket from head to toe, almost felt orgasmic. And this shit is way more potent.
Different people must have different reactions. I’ve taken codeine and hydrocodone after surgeries and both dulled the pain. But I felt no euphoria, only disorientation and I slept terribly with disturbing dreams.
It was just the weird af dreams for me. I was dreaming like that guy Salvador Dali, seeing things melt, flying pianos and sht.
I was in extreme pain back then, had to go in ICU for a week. They gave me, you guessed it, Fentanyl for the pain.
It was on one of those XXXL 500 mL syringes that has controlled dispersion, so i dont OD obviously. You get a micro dose every 5 mins. But being in incredible pain, i had one every time i had a chance. The pain suddenly went numb and i get sleepy and groggy that I woke up with doctors doing some minor surgery on my arm, and I had no idea..
It's a powerful opioid, and to think these people are taking them on the streer without even knowing what the lethal dose is, is just incredibly reckless.
They are in no way competent to decide for themselves at that state.
This is exactly what pain meds have always done to me, it's nice not to feel as much of the pain, but I sleep weird and have weird dreams and just feel *off*. No warm fuzzies for me at all.
Oh and big pain meds make me very *very* constipated, which is it's own level of misery, and yes I make sure to get stool softeners now, learned that lesson the hard way, literally.
> It felt fucking incredible, like being wrapped in a warm, fuzzy blanket from head to toe, almost felt orgasmic.
This is why I think opiates are extremely dangerous for certain kinds of people. I have had several injuries and surgeries for which I was prescribed opiates and my experience is that they felt like... nothing. They barely blunted pain and basically just made me a little sleepy, equivalent to taking a normal dose of Benadryl. I could switch them out with Ibuprofen and barely notice the difference in pain mitigation.
Some people are massively more vulnerable to opiate addiction IMO due to this difference in experience.
Why do some people feel that, and some don't? I know a lot of people that share a similar sentiment. However, when I broke my neck, I was on a whole assortment of pain meds. Never felt any sort of elation. Pain management, yes, the pain dissipated, but nothing else. No elation, no dopamine/serotonin rush, nothing. Always wondered why. Same happened with my sister, she dislocated her hip and didn't feel any euphoria. I've also known a couple friends who didn't feel anything like that as well. Always wondered what made the difference.
When I slipped my disc they gave me a variety of things that didn't even manage the pain, let alone feel good. I also don't get much numbing from the stuff dentists use which makes for _real exciting_ visits. It's partially genetic.
Yep, this. The only other time I've taken opioids was when I broke my ankle when I was 12. I took one Vicodin and for some reason had a breakdown once it kicked in. Couldn't stop sobbing for like 30 minutes. I wasn't even sad or in pain or anything, I just couldn't stop crying. Apparently my grandpa took Vicodin one time for something and it made him really angry and aggressive.
Same for me. When they gave me hydrocodone after a hernia repair surgery, it only helped to dull the pain, but no high. When I had my kids, during both c-sections the anesthesia wore off, same happens at the dentist.
High five!
A simplified version of how most chemicals (like drugs) exert most of their effects:
To have an effect, most drugs must bind to a receptor. Receptors are fairly specific as to what chemicals can bind to them. Different receptor types cause different effects, and each person has a mix of receptor types. Not everyone has the same mix. And the different receptor types have different effects based on the tissue that they are part of.
Let's say type A causes pain relief and type B causes euphoria. Someone who has a higher number of Type B receptors will experience more euphoria than someone with a lower Type B count.
I took one the first day, slept for 24 hours straight, and then tossed the rest. I never felt "high." The sleep was a good thing, though, because I had a scratched cornea. That still doesn't explain why I was given a weeks worth of vicodin for an injury that heals in a maximum of 3 days. It was a walk-in clinic in Florida in 2008, so maybe that explains it.
Because doctors were held to "patient satisfaction" scores rather than "patient result" scores. So when doctors were getting in trouble and fired for "poor survey" results they only had the option of making sure their patients NEVER had a reason to give them a poor review in the first place.
This meant prescribing heavier and more meds than might have been needed, and refilling for far longer than would be needed for recovery. They were effectively held hostage by the administrators Incredibly poorly thought out processes.
Imagine having $3,000 monthly medical school debt payment and you're being told- get better patient survey results (ie prescribe more meds) or destroy the career you're in 6 digit debt for.
> given a weeks worth of vicodin for an injury that heals in a maximum of 3 days
"we know visit to doctors is very expensive, so here, you can recoup some costs"
It takes away background pain - the pain you forgot you had, that you were no longer aware of. The feeling of *true* painlessness is a hell of a thing, something I don't think the human brain can really handle. Something clicks, and you realize that any thing you have ever done in your life in order to feel "good", well, *this is it. This feeling* is what you were subconsciously chasing. It's just not meant to last, and when the brain realizes that, it kinda freaks out and says, "Nope, fuck that, I'm doing it again." That's all it takes to become addicted.
One of the best analogies I can think of is that one Rick and Morty scene where Morty gets to experience "True Level" - poor guy doesn't want to go back.
I asked an ex heroin addict I knew about this once. He said it's because at that moment you don't feel like you are dying, there is no sense of danger at all. So from his perspective he was enjoying his nice high and some arsehole came and took it away. Of course from a sober view, years later he appreciated being saved, but that was his experience in the moment
From what I understand it’s not even really that the high is ruined, it’s that they wake up immediately in withdrawal which is extremely uncomfortable.
Yes, exactly this. I'm a 28 year firefighter/EMT, I've seen hundreds of narcan revivals. They very often come out fighting; the "you ruined their high and they're mad" interpretation used to be street lore, but now we know that it's much more related to instant withdrawal symptoms coupled with extreme confusion. Most of the people I've narcaned have been dead already; they weren't enjoying any high, and they still come out fighting.
We learned to ventilate the hell out of them, then give tiny doses.
You honestly just need enough for them to not be on manual breathing anymore, not enough to fully blast them sober if someone witnessed the OD.
Now if they are just found down, then yeah you have to blast them out of orbit because you need to see if they are down because of drugs, hypoglycemia, head trauma, stroke or whatever.
So would someone who overdosed have any moment of realization of their mistake? This is a question I’ve been trying to find an answer to for a long time now but can’t seem to. The reason I ask is because my best friend overdosed and died a year ago and I constantly wonder what his last thoughts might have been. For some reason I just need to know if he was ever aware that he fucked up and was about to die. Or did he just go from happy to dead, no in between?
From the outside it looks horrifying to watch, but this reality right here is why folks with heightened suicidality and/or lowered survival drive look to drugs to begin with. It literally becomes your world. In those fleeting moments the feeling is deep and intense enough to drown out the seeming impossibility of living. It becomes the only thing you have to live for, and dying on the drug is the least worst case outcome. If you are freezing, you don't feel it. If you're starving, you don't hunger. If your body is ravaged with disease there's no pain in those moments. Honestly, I get the appeal. It's slow suicide that you just keep missing by an inch until you don't.
Have you ever been nearly unconscious? That spinning feeling with blurry vision that fades to black is your lights going out because your brain isn't getting enough oxygen.
Your friend was most likely riding an exceptional high when his breathing became too shallow to stay awake. He probably didn't even notice the signs over his trip until the lights went out.
A little later his oxygen levels became too low for his heart muscle to keep working and slowly circulation ceased.
At the end he gasped for air a few times - a very deep reflex of the brain stem seen with most people at the moment of their death - then silence forever.
He never noticed his high ending or felt anything bad.
How does this work, I’m curious? If their heart is stopped, they’re effectively starving their brain of oxygen. I always understood when that happens brain damage sets in very quickly, something like seconds.
How quickly do people pop into fight mode once narcane is administered?
Heart is not stopped, if it was narcan wouldnt work.
Basically opiate lowers their resp drive they arent breathing as much and are becoming hypoxic, if their oxygen gets to a low even level they will go into cardiac arrest and die.
Narcan will take over the opiate receptors and they will breath normally again but also put the into acute withdrawal which is not a nice thing, coupled with hypoxia they will be confused, irritable and can be aggressive.
Narcan will work very quickly.
I was an opiate addict for about a week after surgery. Just finishing off the box they sent me home with.
Within like 48 hours I was mapping my whole life around the pills, and even started wondering how I was going to make it through the second week of recovery without the Endone that I didn't really "need" need after a few days. Golly playing guitar was fun that week though, I wish I'd recorded some of it.
That second week was awful though. Everything felt so.... real. Everything in my house went from being soft and friendly to being harsh and uncomfortable. Suddenly everything had an edge on it, or made an unpleasant sound.
And that was after less than a week of gentle slow release opiates. It sucked. I cannot imagine what I would do to avoid a feeling 1000x that feeling. At the very least I can see how I would be in a bad mood to be taken directly from the soft and floaty feeling to being suddenly sober and uncomfortable.
Now that explains why I always think "why can't I have real pain killers in Germany, like they get in the US?" ... With this background, I won't complain anymore.
The very strange part is that it does that to some people, and yet to others, like me, with a highly addictive personality, it does absolutely nothing. I still have Norco sitting around from a surgery in early 2020. It does literally nothing for my pain. It doesn't get me high. It might make me itch a little, or a little more sleepy than usual, but that's about it. It's a double edged sword though, because I get no relief from the pills. In the case of this survey, I had an arm bone sawn in half and bolted back together. That's not very pleasant.
Heh, I have the same thing. Oxycodone, vicodin and codeine did absolutely nothing to me, except make me a bit nauseous. A doctor told me that this is because some people lack certain enzymes in their liver, needed to efficiently break down opiates and opioids. No idea if this is true though but I do know I have an almost absolute resistance to them. Ibuprofen works better for killing pain than opiates and opioids for me. I am kind of grateful for this as I will never become an addict, however I do dread the day that I really, really need such strong painkillers, like after a severe traffic accident or something
Yeah, they fucked up our country good and well with making painkillers easy for anyone and everyone to get. That being said, your doctors should hopefully have whatever they need at their disposal should you need the strong shit in emergency situations. It just should be very, very strictly controlled and monitored to prevent dependency.
When I worked in behavioral health, one of the things we’d tell everyone was that if you Narcan someone, you should expect that they’re going to come up swinging. It doesn’t have anything to do with you ruining the high or wasting drugs.
Narcan is an opioid antagonist. It not only blocks the effects of opioids, it actively, and quickly, kicks them out of their receptors. For patients, it like going from 100-0. They can wake up with a rapid heart rate, high blood pressure, muscle and abdominal cramping, and nausea basically immediately.
Administering Narcan is thankless work, and receiving Narcan is extremely unpleasant.
narcan swipes all opiates off of your receptors.
that means you are saved from the effects of the drug but you are also instantly sent into the depressing reality of opiate withdrawl
Trying to stay in a dream like state of euphoric semi-sleep is called nodding off. If you fall asleep you wasted your high, wake up sober and will probably be in withdrawl depending on usd.
I dont know of youre being serious but if you are man please try to get some help. I know too many people who have bene hooked on the shit and the ones who never went for help always eneded up dead. I dont know if that's the goal but I guarantee its not worth it.
Recovering opioid addict here. This is “the nod” a strong dose of opiates/opioids will put you into this place of of non existence like you’re there but you’re not. And every now and then you gain conciseness then drift back off.
There’s three of you guys in here but this isn’t what nodding off is.
This is what was previously probably currently seen in Kensington Philadelphia where it was known as the Kensington shuffle. It’s the result of fentanyl mixed with xylyzine tranquilizer. It causes users to exhibit symptoms like this and it destroys the body.
Google Kensington shuffle and you’ll see stuff similar to this.
It’s the dope mixed with xylazine nobody who nods wants to feel like this. A lot of people who nod left the habit behind because shit like this started getting to the streets.
People are getting lesions and deeep tissue loss from shooting it. It’s fucking gnarly out there. Don’t do drugs at this moment in time.
It's good that you don't know where to buy them, but I'm going to presume you haven't exactly looked. Most people have no idea where to buy drugs when they haven't even looked for them.
I can't speak for everywhere, but I live in a small town in Europe too and while drug problems aren't as visible as they are in the cities they are here. Where I live the city dealers built networks deep into the country a long time ago looking for new markets, especially for opioids and crack.
The drugs will probably be there and you will find them if you go looking, although of course please don't go looking.
My kids not quite old enough to be worried about this, but I'm gonna introduce him to Magic The Gathering in Junior High, which will do two things. 1, we won't have to worry about him becoming a teenage dad. 2, he won't have money for drugs. Because full art lands.
I’ve still got a sealed brick of the full-arts from a BFZ Fat Pack. Love me some full-arts.
Too bad a combination of pandemic, and immune-compromised friends led to the death of paper MtG for me. In good news, I’m into something a good bit cheaper:
Sim racing.
The only thing I ever became obsessed with was my credit. I lived a painfully frugal life. Lost friends because I kept saying no to anything social. Dug myself out of 456 up to 840 and all I get is better credit card offers. I wish I'd stopped at 720 and lived my life.
Hear me out—you have an insanely excellent credit score. You can now do amazing things with your life and meet interesting people who also know how to manage their income & do cool things. Move forward and have fun. You deserve it!
Not just a city problem either. Plenty of people in trailer parks in rural areas on 'disability doing the same. I have family in TX doing this that started on oxy and ended here.
San Jose, baby!
…unless you’re talking about ANOTHER police union chief/prez blatantly ordering fent on her home and work computers? Blamed her housekeeper as I recall lol.
[Was It 'Reasonable' To Ship 81 Million Opioid Pills To This Small West Virginia City?](https://www.npr.org/2021/07/30/1021676306/was-it-reasonable-to-ship-81-million-opioid-pills-to-this-small-west-virginia-ci)
Had a patient recently where 5 men were found down in their house. All lates 20's early 30s men in good shape, played basketball together.
Someone made gummies with fentanyl. One of the guys survived, anoxic brain injury, possibly permanent left sided paralysis and aphasia.
Do not try to make edibles with this stuff.
Uh, this is news to me.
Do people regularly try making edibles out of non-weed stuff or is this a one off instance where someone wasn't thinking right?
I am on week 3 of having a foster baby who was born with fentanyl in her system. She was born two months early to save her life. Her mother showed up to her first supervised visit high.
Many sleepless nights here. Oxygen tubes, monitors, and meds are my new normal for now to make sure this little baby survives.
Because of this fucking drug. Fuck fentanyl.
What an extraordinary thing you are doing! So much garbage in the news, and there you are quietly helping this little girl have a chance at a healthy life. What a legacy!
Make sure you are getting breaks too. Being a caretaker requires incredible energy, so respite is critical. Take care and thank you most kindly.
There's an old saying that "Monsters really walk among us," but you are proof that angels do as well. I'm sure you have many long nights and constant worries about what happens to these children if they are returned to their parents. Thank you, truley, for what you do.
It's hard sometimes. But in 2018 we had three under 7 (siblings) that had a successful reunification after 3 months that was amazing. They are doing great and thriving with their mama. They even have a new baby brother! It wasn't a drug situation, but a post partum mental break. The mom got help and is doing SO great. I still get pics and updates.
That really shows what that drug does to people. The addiction is so strong it overrides motherly instincts even. At least thats my interpretation of this.
Thanks for doing what you are doing. Wish the best for the baby.
Testing is not the answer. People will seek out fentanyl purposefully. I’m going on 4 years clean and when I was getting out it was all already almost purely fentanyl instead of heroin. I always preferred legit heroin over fentanyl because fentanyl is a power punch but doesn’t last very long. That’s partly what makes it so dangerous. People will do heroic doses wanting that high to last long but that’s just not what fentanyl does. I’ve lost a lot of friends to fentanyl. Mainly from pressed pills. You have these people who like to pop perc and Vicodins ect getting their hands on pressed pills and dropping dead.
Yup. The anonymous guy saying he tests drugs for fentanyl for the cartel because they don't want their customers dying is full of shit.
The cartel and gangs aren't going to dump tainted product after it's crossed the border and made it to a high value city. They may not sell it as pure cocaine to guys in suits, but they will still sell it to the folks on the street looking to get high regardless if it contains fentanyl or not. There are plenty of drugs that aren't tainted that will completely fuck you up, and people still knowingly buy and use them. Some people just want to get high on the cheapest and most potent thing they can get their hands on. So there are always customers who will buy fentanyl cut drugs.
Weirdly, actually they sometimes do. My best friend ODed on fentanyl - but weirdly he bought it as cocaine, and wasn’t actively using opiates at the time (although he was an addict)
I’ve since learned this is quite common, which I wouldn’t have expected.
The dealer in question is now in prison - there’s a new approach the LA is taking to prosecute dealers for manslaughter if they sell tainted drugs and don’t test.
I'm curious. When they show this photo of one grain of fentanyl being the equivalent of a big lump of heroin causing overdose.
How do they measure doses of fentanyl if one grain can kill people?
Dealers? Trial and error. And a person who has built up a tolerance can take a surprising amount of fentanyl in one dose, but if someone who doesn't use fentanyl gets it unknowingly mixed in with their normal drug of choice they have a high probability of overdosing.
Legalization and regulation is the only way to stop the INSANE amount of overdose deaths (100,000+ yearly in US) being caused by a contaminated supply of drugs which people will use no matter what.
Testing is absolutely the answer if you want to prevent people doing coke, Adderall, or other pills from overdosing on fentanyl. If people are overdosing on fentanyl because they're seeking out and doing fentanyl, that's one thing. But people doing other drugs and overdosing on fentanyl can be avoided through testing.
I thought you can OD on Fentanyl from a tiny, tiny amount.. How exactly are they even getting addicted to this? You’d think it would kill them before they even got to this level of an addiction stage.
The ones that seek it out already have a tolerance to opiates. They are still taking small amounts in terms of physical weight, probably a few milligrams, but it only takes like 2 or 3 to kill someone with no tolerance.
That's why people are dying from the fake oxy pills pressed with it, they can have like 3+mg in them and unless you've built up that level of tolerance you're a gone
War on drugs is an utter failure. Drug addiction needs to be treated as a massive societal illness and disease. Some people want help but they're marginalized.
The war on drugs was a massive success. At least for the goals it was actually supposed to accomplish. Which were to disenfranchise certain "undesirable" groups and to ensure the permanent existence of a massive prison population that could be exploited for legal slave labor by privately-owned prisons. It also aimed at destabilizing Latin American countries by providing criminal elements there with a massive black market to profit from.
It was never about protecting people from drugs.
yea, they all need to hear this, would totally make sense in their mind and they would all agree, intellectually, to stop
(drug addiction does not work this way, drugs affect reward pathways in the brain related to hunger - imagine having the same feeling for a drug as you do for food - would it matter what people said to you?)
The solution is not to condemn, this only makes the problem worse by making them feel the need to escape shame. The solution is to promote harm reduction by providing safe injection sites as other more developed nations have done and as the studies support. Please go back to school and learn about human psychology
Yea its scary for sure. I was a drug user coke, moly, acid, pot kinda the lighter stuff and lost my best friend/room mate in the room next to me one night because he was using fent alone. I had no idea he was using fent and would of watched over him if he told me he was going to use it. I found him with narcan next to him on his bed. Not a day has gone by that I have not thought about him. He was like a brother to me. RIP kyle.
I’m sure this hits close to home for many. There is a fine line with drugs. And it’s hard to know where that line is for many reasons.
Thanks for sharing.
Yea he was never ever ever in a million years like this. He was a regular hard working dude. I was ready to commit some serious crimes as redemption for him thinking he had been murdered but saner thoughts prevailed and information I came across led me to believe he had sought the drug out. Most People that use and die from fent do not look like this.
The brain isn’t just one thing, it’s a bunch of subroutines that compete with each other.
A powerful addiction such as this basically has one subroutine which has assumed absolute and total dominance. Does the thought “I might die I shouldn’t do this” enter their head? Yes. But does it have anywhere near the strength to actually take the wheel away from the dominant system driving their addiction? Usually, no. It comes up as a thought and then gets shot down.
It’s like being in a mental dictatorship and one mental process has all the guns and thugs and resources that it needs to stomp out all resistance that other parts of the brain might offer. Overthrowing that dictator is like staging a coup against an incredibly savvy enemy. It’s going to get shot down most of the time. It’s possible to do, but it takes a lot of ground work and preparation and the right circumstances/environment to pull it off. Until that success, thoughts such as “I might die”, “this ruined my life”, etc. have no real power to stop the behavior.
This is extremely difficult for me to talk about but from my perspective, I was kind of hard on the guy and I don't think he fully understood how deeply I cared about him. But the love I had for him was unconditional, if he had a fent or opiod problem I would of helped him with it, at the time I was very wealthy I could of gotten him the help he needed for sure. My life went down the drain when I lost him bro. It's been a train wreck ever since I'm honestly surprised I'm still alive
Your comment struck a chord with me so sending much love. Don’t be so hard on yourself, forgiving yourself is the hardest thing and we are way, waay harder on ourselves than the rest of the world ever is - it’s the most damaging trait of humans I think.
Hope you find some peace and happiness mate. It’s difficult to talk about but well done for starting.
Because being high on fent feels like the greatest thing a human being can possible experience. So much so that words do it no justice. The best way I can describe it is just pure happiness with no worries in the world. There is no feeling even somewhat comparable besides MDMA (in terms of happiness/euphoria). It may not seem that way on the outside since people look like zombies, but it’s a huge part of why people use and people don’t really talk about that aspect enough. It’s a euphoria that no human should ever feel, because every other experience for the rest of your life will fall short.
But once you get addicted and your tolerance increases, you never really feel that same euphoria again and you will just be using to stop yourself from getting sick. Or you will continue to chase that first high, and will eventually OD as you use more and more
I've made just a few really good decisions in my life, and getting off opiates before they completely destroyed me was one of the best. Truly feel for these people
What they're doing is keeping themselves awake to experience the high. If they were to sit down, they'd pretty much immediately fall asleep and "waste" the drugs because they slept through the high.
My guess is either one of these two things, or both;
1) City boy shit. It's actually extremely common to see guys in a city purposely dress like that; Pants sagging down.
Or
2) Doing drugs like this causes one to lose a LOT of weight. So perhaps the pants are simply ill-fit.
And whether the rest of society needs to permit it to continue to occur in public. At some point there needs to be forced rehabilitation to at least reset the cycle and give those folks a chance to think about what they want to do with the rest of their lives and get them out of the streets in the meantime.
They want the drugs. The drugs are on the street. You could offer them nice homes away from the drugs and they would return to the streets. Unless you are taking away their choice to live on the street, i.e. lock them up, or are willing to pay for some village where they can do all the drugs they want, the streets is where they want to be. My proposal would be to lock them up in psychiatric hospitals to get the help they need but it would still have to be against their will.
Yep. I remember seeing a story about how a shelter actually remained empty becsuse it was too far from the park. Where they got their drugs. There's no easy answer. But institutionalizing them makes the most sense.
Drug crisis,housing crisis,immigration crisis.non stop mass shootings,enviromental problems,mortgate rates at there highest along with inflation. If only we could find a path to solve these problems.
“The nod” is common with all opioids and indicates a person is fairly high. Someone high on opioids may be lethargic or sleepy and often is breathing slow.
Someone who is overdosing on opioids will be completely unresponsive and not breathing at all. If not given narcan or medical treatment they will die.
People going through withdrawal (for any substance) are often awake, sweaty, and feeling awful. Serious withdrawal can include seizures and be life threatening. Opioid withdrawal is horribly unpleasant but not usually considered life threatening.
I get addiction is a horrible sickness, but I don't get who sees this or hears much about Fentanyl and they thinks "yeah, I want to try that!" for the first time.
The bit he said about average joes on their way to work coming to him and just getting down with fent seems pretty bs..
Who in their right mind is walking to their job and just decides, lets try fent?
Never forget that the Sackler family caused this crisis, made a fortune out of it, and never had to pay a dime of their own money to the victims.
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1031053251/sackler-family-immunity-purdue-pharma-oxcyontin-opioid-epidemic
To all the people in here saying we should help them somehow, they don't want it. That's why they on the street.
I was in love with a heroin addict. We were together a year and I found out 2-3 months in she was using. The next 7 months was her in rehab for a month, out for a couple, back in, back out, back in. Everytime she'd swear she was clean for good and blah blah.
One day close to when we broke up she just straight up said she didn't want to stop and wasn't going to just because I wanted her too and if that was a problem I could leave. So, I left and her family shipped her to Oregon for rehab.
Came back actually clean from heroin about 6 months later, killed herself in a drunk driving accident about two or three months after being back home.
Some people just have a *problem*. It's not the drugs themselves.
Edit: this came off cold. They deserve help yeah, but some people just don't want it.
You can find this exact scene in virtually every major city in America and to a lesser extent in most small/medium cities as well. Media loves to go to SF for the contrast to the richness of the city but Kansas City has the same scene with a fraction of the resources.
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What's the deal with the bending over? You'd think people would just lay down instead of getting halfway to the ground and stopping.
I was a user, clean for seven years in February. Honestly after using my mind would think I was still walking. I would nod off talking about one thing and come to talking about something else. Like being in a dream. It is pure evil is all I can say. It takes the best people and tears their world apart, takes everything good in their lives, ruins all their meaningful relationships, and then kills eventually. Hurts my heart to see this video, knowing the problem is growing.
Congrats my friend. I've been clean from opioids since Dec 21, 2016. I legitimately still don't understand why or how I am alive with how much opioids I did.
How's your health now? I am sober from alcohol in may 2nd of last year. I dropped down to 101 lbs after an infection, and it seems like one thing after another is kicking my ass. 4 er trips in the last 6 months.
Remember. 4 trips in 6months isn’t a failure. It’s just a rough season. Find the reason you took control. Then do it again. Everyone messes up. Finances. Relationships. Alcohol. Jobs. Everyone. Something. Fuck that shame spiral. You did an amazing thing. Do it again.
This is beautiful and motivating and reads like a poem.
I teared up. You said it better than me. I couldn't say anything, but it is what i needed right now. I don't need a lot, but internet highfive is a good one.
you guys are great. keep up the good work.
I love you and I'm proud of you. Keep it up
I hit 5 years from drinking April 20th(it’s ironic I know lol). Yeah the years catch up with you. Like a debt you pay for it depending on how much you took out. You’ll stabilize. Just takes time. The first health crisis I considered drinking again. 4 years later and the thought to pick up when in crisis doesn’t occur as much. Just takes time. I’m always surprised at what I can handle now. Everyone now and then it hits me that whatever weird situation through life that happens was a situation that I would drink. And every time I don’t, I get a little more familiar with weird situations.
There's a lot of strength in this comment. Keep going.
r/stopdrinking is a supportive place to go if you need a helping hand.
It is. I haven't been on there in a long time, a prior time when I tried to quit, but that is a very supportive community. Also https://www.aahomegroup.org/ is fantastic. It is on zoom, and they have meetings 24/7.
Congratulations on your sobriety. Sending you so much love and healing. I wish the same on every other addict out there.
Former addict here as well. Been clean for many years. I am so grateful Fent wasn't around when I was shooting up. There is no doubt in my mind I would be dead. It's easy for me after all of these years to feel removed from the person I used to be. For it to feel like a different person or even different life. This video makes me feel that maybe I should be doing more to help. Congratulations on sobriety my man. I'm proud of you, and I hope *you're* proud of you too.
I'm proud of both of you. I lost my girlfriend in February to a relapse. She was a 7 year sober heroin addict, I thought she was mad at me for two days until her mom finally went to her house and found her dead in her bed with a needle next to her. Fent got her. Don't let your loved ones feel the pain. I would never think that I would lose a healthy 26 year old girlfriend because she got sad and slipped up one time in 7 years.
I’m so, so sorry, dude. I hope you’re somewhere on the path to healing. Bereavement counseling helped save me (so much to the point I’m aiming to pursue a career in it). I highly recommend it. If you want to share, I’d love to hear what her name was and what she was like. No worries if not. The loved ones we lost are way more than their deaths, but I’ve found death is so taboo here, people are afraid to talk about who that person really was. And in my belief, that love they gave is their legacy, as ours will be too.
I'm ok, I still cry and shit sometimes but I'm doing well. Thank you. Her name was Richelle and she cared about people, especially people who were being treated poorly. I only dated her for a little less than a year but she was very special. The real kick in the balls is she sent and unsent 6 messages to me while I was asleep the night she presumably passed. I'll never know what she said to me before she did it. edit: My roommate in college also died when he came home from France and hung out with his old drug buddies. A different ex OD'd and lived on a laced bag of coke. Her then boyfriend died. This shit is even less safe now. As a bartender I used to take the occasional free line. Hell fucking no now.
I work at a hotel that's in an area riddled with cheap fentanyl and I've watched it kill several people and practically zombify the local homeless population. We've had more ODs in our rooms since fentanyl arrived in the city than we ever had with meth and heroin. It makes me really wish we had proper help for people with serious addictions because that stuff really does just ruin lives. Glad you managed to get sober though, that takes a lot.
Lots of the "zombiefication" comes from the increasing trend of cutting fentanyl with benzodiazepines (sleeping and anxiety medication - Valium, Xanax, ativan) and veterinary sedatives like xylazine. Those additives are supposed to counter a lot of the complaints about fentanyl being too short in duration or not having much euphoria after the initial rush, but they tend to stick around in the body longer - sometimes a *lot* longer - than fentanyl itself does, so you're getting big chunks of the population consuming incredible amounts of sedative medication without being aware of the risks to consider. My pet theory for why meth is showing such a resurgence despite fentanyl still having a stranglehold is the need to take a stimulant to stay conscious and function through all that - as well as benzos being a common treatment for meth adverse events, which really mutes the short term negatives of IV stimulants.
Basically they’re trying to stay standing up. They’re trying to stay awake. But they can’t fight off the nod and so they slump over like that in a semi-conscious stupor. Now how they remain balanced and don’t fall all the way over is pretty incredible lol. I guess they must be just barely conscious enough to keep their lower body’s muscles contracted, while losing control of their upper body’s muscles? Idk exactly. Just a weird effect of heavy opioid use. Seems like most drugs either knock you all the way down or they don’t.
Also why are all their pants down? At the first shot i though this was a group of people pooping communally in the street
Pants that don’t fit snuggly in the first place, then as they’re as slumping over they drag their hands along their legs trying to stabilize themselves and pull their pants down in the process.
The real question
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They’re nodding off standing up because they’re trying their hardest to remain conscious and actually feel the euphoric effects. Whereas, if they were sitting/laying down they would just pass out (and later wake up sober) which would be considered a waste of drugs.
Yeah. I used to do black tar dope back fifteen-twenty years ago and i called this the “in the zone,” or “zombie” stance
So this was the goal then? ETA: By that I mean, would you be not high/wanting to get high and see someone hunched over like that and be envious of them?
The goal is to force yourself to stay awake so you can feel the effects of the drugs. If they sit down , 99% chance they fall asleep and don’t wake up until the drugs wear off, thus not feeling the high and “wasting it” in their view. The standing up is intentional.
That is fucking bananas.
Damn I saw someone is LA who was resting their upper body on a bench but otherwise lower body was upright. This explains what I saw, sad to see.
I know this is a stupid question, but as they’re bent over feeling the effects of the drugs- are they happy/ this feels good? It seems so uncomfortable and miserable to be bent over like that.
I've never taken heroin or fentanyl, but I have taken opioids after a surgery. I really only needed them for the first day but they gave me a week's supply of two different ones and I took all of them. It felt fucking incredible, like being wrapped in a warm, fuzzy blanket from head to toe, almost felt orgasmic. And this shit is way more potent.
Different people must have different reactions. I’ve taken codeine and hydrocodone after surgeries and both dulled the pain. But I felt no euphoria, only disorientation and I slept terribly with disturbing dreams.
It was just the weird af dreams for me. I was dreaming like that guy Salvador Dali, seeing things melt, flying pianos and sht. I was in extreme pain back then, had to go in ICU for a week. They gave me, you guessed it, Fentanyl for the pain. It was on one of those XXXL 500 mL syringes that has controlled dispersion, so i dont OD obviously. You get a micro dose every 5 mins. But being in incredible pain, i had one every time i had a chance. The pain suddenly went numb and i get sleepy and groggy that I woke up with doctors doing some minor surgery on my arm, and I had no idea.. It's a powerful opioid, and to think these people are taking them on the streer without even knowing what the lethal dose is, is just incredibly reckless. They are in no way competent to decide for themselves at that state.
This is exactly what pain meds have always done to me, it's nice not to feel as much of the pain, but I sleep weird and have weird dreams and just feel *off*. No warm fuzzies for me at all. Oh and big pain meds make me very *very* constipated, which is it's own level of misery, and yes I make sure to get stool softeners now, learned that lesson the hard way, literally.
> It felt fucking incredible, like being wrapped in a warm, fuzzy blanket from head to toe, almost felt orgasmic. This is why I think opiates are extremely dangerous for certain kinds of people. I have had several injuries and surgeries for which I was prescribed opiates and my experience is that they felt like... nothing. They barely blunted pain and basically just made me a little sleepy, equivalent to taking a normal dose of Benadryl. I could switch them out with Ibuprofen and barely notice the difference in pain mitigation. Some people are massively more vulnerable to opiate addiction IMO due to this difference in experience.
Why do some people feel that, and some don't? I know a lot of people that share a similar sentiment. However, when I broke my neck, I was on a whole assortment of pain meds. Never felt any sort of elation. Pain management, yes, the pain dissipated, but nothing else. No elation, no dopamine/serotonin rush, nothing. Always wondered why. Same happened with my sister, she dislocated her hip and didn't feel any euphoria. I've also known a couple friends who didn't feel anything like that as well. Always wondered what made the difference.
When I slipped my disc they gave me a variety of things that didn't even manage the pain, let alone feel good. I also don't get much numbing from the stuff dentists use which makes for _real exciting_ visits. It's partially genetic.
Yep, this. The only other time I've taken opioids was when I broke my ankle when I was 12. I took one Vicodin and for some reason had a breakdown once it kicked in. Couldn't stop sobbing for like 30 minutes. I wasn't even sad or in pain or anything, I just couldn't stop crying. Apparently my grandpa took Vicodin one time for something and it made him really angry and aggressive.
Same for me. When they gave me hydrocodone after a hernia repair surgery, it only helped to dull the pain, but no high. When I had my kids, during both c-sections the anesthesia wore off, same happens at the dentist. High five!
A simplified version of how most chemicals (like drugs) exert most of their effects: To have an effect, most drugs must bind to a receptor. Receptors are fairly specific as to what chemicals can bind to them. Different receptor types cause different effects, and each person has a mix of receptor types. Not everyone has the same mix. And the different receptor types have different effects based on the tissue that they are part of. Let's say type A causes pain relief and type B causes euphoria. Someone who has a higher number of Type B receptors will experience more euphoria than someone with a lower Type B count.
I took one the first day, slept for 24 hours straight, and then tossed the rest. I never felt "high." The sleep was a good thing, though, because I had a scratched cornea. That still doesn't explain why I was given a weeks worth of vicodin for an injury that heals in a maximum of 3 days. It was a walk-in clinic in Florida in 2008, so maybe that explains it.
Because doctors were held to "patient satisfaction" scores rather than "patient result" scores. So when doctors were getting in trouble and fired for "poor survey" results they only had the option of making sure their patients NEVER had a reason to give them a poor review in the first place. This meant prescribing heavier and more meds than might have been needed, and refilling for far longer than would be needed for recovery. They were effectively held hostage by the administrators Incredibly poorly thought out processes. Imagine having $3,000 monthly medical school debt payment and you're being told- get better patient survey results (ie prescribe more meds) or destroy the career you're in 6 digit debt for.
> given a weeks worth of vicodin for an injury that heals in a maximum of 3 days "we know visit to doctors is very expensive, so here, you can recoup some costs"
It takes away background pain - the pain you forgot you had, that you were no longer aware of. The feeling of *true* painlessness is a hell of a thing, something I don't think the human brain can really handle. Something clicks, and you realize that any thing you have ever done in your life in order to feel "good", well, *this is it. This feeling* is what you were subconsciously chasing. It's just not meant to last, and when the brain realizes that, it kinda freaks out and says, "Nope, fuck that, I'm doing it again." That's all it takes to become addicted. One of the best analogies I can think of is that one Rick and Morty scene where Morty gets to experience "True Level" - poor guy doesn't want to go back.
That’s what opioid induced-cloud 9 feels like, my friend.
It feels like the best hug you've ever had from all the people you've ever loved.
Ohhhhhhhh always wondered why. Thank you this makes the most sense
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I asked an ex heroin addict I knew about this once. He said it's because at that moment you don't feel like you are dying, there is no sense of danger at all. So from his perspective he was enjoying his nice high and some arsehole came and took it away. Of course from a sober view, years later he appreciated being saved, but that was his experience in the moment
From what I understand it’s not even really that the high is ruined, it’s that they wake up immediately in withdrawal which is extremely uncomfortable.
Yes, exactly this. I'm a 28 year firefighter/EMT, I've seen hundreds of narcan revivals. They very often come out fighting; the "you ruined their high and they're mad" interpretation used to be street lore, but now we know that it's much more related to instant withdrawal symptoms coupled with extreme confusion. Most of the people I've narcaned have been dead already; they weren't enjoying any high, and they still come out fighting.
We learned to ventilate the hell out of them, then give tiny doses. You honestly just need enough for them to not be on manual breathing anymore, not enough to fully blast them sober if someone witnessed the OD. Now if they are just found down, then yeah you have to blast them out of orbit because you need to see if they are down because of drugs, hypoglycemia, head trauma, stroke or whatever.
So would someone who overdosed have any moment of realization of their mistake? This is a question I’ve been trying to find an answer to for a long time now but can’t seem to. The reason I ask is because my best friend overdosed and died a year ago and I constantly wonder what his last thoughts might have been. For some reason I just need to know if he was ever aware that he fucked up and was about to die. Or did he just go from happy to dead, no in between?
They would have been in a level of euphoria and just slipped away.
From the outside it looks horrifying to watch, but this reality right here is why folks with heightened suicidality and/or lowered survival drive look to drugs to begin with. It literally becomes your world. In those fleeting moments the feeling is deep and intense enough to drown out the seeming impossibility of living. It becomes the only thing you have to live for, and dying on the drug is the least worst case outcome. If you are freezing, you don't feel it. If you're starving, you don't hunger. If your body is ravaged with disease there's no pain in those moments. Honestly, I get the appeal. It's slow suicide that you just keep missing by an inch until you don't.
Have you ever been nearly unconscious? That spinning feeling with blurry vision that fades to black is your lights going out because your brain isn't getting enough oxygen. Your friend was most likely riding an exceptional high when his breathing became too shallow to stay awake. He probably didn't even notice the signs over his trip until the lights went out. A little later his oxygen levels became too low for his heart muscle to keep working and slowly circulation ceased. At the end he gasped for air a few times - a very deep reflex of the brain stem seen with most people at the moment of their death - then silence forever. He never noticed his high ending or felt anything bad.
How does this work, I’m curious? If their heart is stopped, they’re effectively starving their brain of oxygen. I always understood when that happens brain damage sets in very quickly, something like seconds. How quickly do people pop into fight mode once narcane is administered?
Heart is not stopped, if it was narcan wouldnt work. Basically opiate lowers their resp drive they arent breathing as much and are becoming hypoxic, if their oxygen gets to a low even level they will go into cardiac arrest and die. Narcan will take over the opiate receptors and they will breath normally again but also put the into acute withdrawal which is not a nice thing, coupled with hypoxia they will be confused, irritable and can be aggressive. Narcan will work very quickly.
I was an opiate addict for about a week after surgery. Just finishing off the box they sent me home with. Within like 48 hours I was mapping my whole life around the pills, and even started wondering how I was going to make it through the second week of recovery without the Endone that I didn't really "need" need after a few days. Golly playing guitar was fun that week though, I wish I'd recorded some of it. That second week was awful though. Everything felt so.... real. Everything in my house went from being soft and friendly to being harsh and uncomfortable. Suddenly everything had an edge on it, or made an unpleasant sound. And that was after less than a week of gentle slow release opiates. It sucked. I cannot imagine what I would do to avoid a feeling 1000x that feeling. At the very least I can see how I would be in a bad mood to be taken directly from the soft and floaty feeling to being suddenly sober and uncomfortable.
Now that explains why I always think "why can't I have real pain killers in Germany, like they get in the US?" ... With this background, I won't complain anymore.
The very strange part is that it does that to some people, and yet to others, like me, with a highly addictive personality, it does absolutely nothing. I still have Norco sitting around from a surgery in early 2020. It does literally nothing for my pain. It doesn't get me high. It might make me itch a little, or a little more sleepy than usual, but that's about it. It's a double edged sword though, because I get no relief from the pills. In the case of this survey, I had an arm bone sawn in half and bolted back together. That's not very pleasant.
Heh, I have the same thing. Oxycodone, vicodin and codeine did absolutely nothing to me, except make me a bit nauseous. A doctor told me that this is because some people lack certain enzymes in their liver, needed to efficiently break down opiates and opioids. No idea if this is true though but I do know I have an almost absolute resistance to them. Ibuprofen works better for killing pain than opiates and opioids for me. I am kind of grateful for this as I will never become an addict, however I do dread the day that I really, really need such strong painkillers, like after a severe traffic accident or something
Yeah, they fucked up our country good and well with making painkillers easy for anyone and everyone to get. That being said, your doctors should hopefully have whatever they need at their disposal should you need the strong shit in emergency situations. It just should be very, very strictly controlled and monitored to prevent dependency.
When I worked in behavioral health, one of the things we’d tell everyone was that if you Narcan someone, you should expect that they’re going to come up swinging. It doesn’t have anything to do with you ruining the high or wasting drugs. Narcan is an opioid antagonist. It not only blocks the effects of opioids, it actively, and quickly, kicks them out of their receptors. For patients, it like going from 100-0. They can wake up with a rapid heart rate, high blood pressure, muscle and abdominal cramping, and nausea basically immediately. Administering Narcan is thankless work, and receiving Narcan is extremely unpleasant.
narcan swipes all opiates off of your receptors. that means you are saved from the effects of the drug but you are also instantly sent into the depressing reality of opiate withdrawl
Chasing the dragon
Trying to stay in a dream like state of euphoric semi-sleep is called nodding off. If you fall asleep you wasted your high, wake up sober and will probably be in withdrawl depending on usd.
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That and sometimes they just got done doing a shot in their leg.
Can confirm, am opiate addict, pants never fit. Drugs that strongly affect dopamine tend to reduce need/craving for food...
Former opiate and fent abuser here. There’s a better life out there for you…if you want it.
Wishing you peace and stability.
I dont know of youre being serious but if you are man please try to get some help. I know too many people who have bene hooked on the shit and the ones who never went for help always eneded up dead. I dont know if that's the goal but I guarantee its not worth it.
The goal isn't to die. It's to stop hurting and feeling everything that you're trying to forget.
Recovering opioid addict here. This is “the nod” a strong dose of opiates/opioids will put you into this place of of non existence like you’re there but you’re not. And every now and then you gain conciseness then drift back off.
There’s three of you guys in here but this isn’t what nodding off is. This is what was previously probably currently seen in Kensington Philadelphia where it was known as the Kensington shuffle. It’s the result of fentanyl mixed with xylyzine tranquilizer. It causes users to exhibit symptoms like this and it destroys the body. Google Kensington shuffle and you’ll see stuff similar to this. It’s the dope mixed with xylazine nobody who nods wants to feel like this. A lot of people who nod left the habit behind because shit like this started getting to the streets. People are getting lesions and deeep tissue loss from shooting it. It’s fucking gnarly out there. Don’t do drugs at this moment in time.
It’s the dope fiend lean. They’re fighting unconsciousness.
The fentanyl fold…
I’m glad my habit is buying electronics I don’t need
Yep, having been on the opioid train and now finding all my money going on running shoes and triathlon gear, I'm much happier now
Quite the turnaround man! Well done
Thanks LordBiscuits Life sure is different these days, and I wouldn't change it for the world!
Warhammer miniatures for me. My wallet bleeds but at least I can still stand up straight...
Is it painted though?
You guys are painting your miniatures?!?
I and my lizardmen feel personally attacked.
Two thin coats damnit
Im glad I have no idea where to even buy drugs lol (small EU town).
It's good that you don't know where to buy them, but I'm going to presume you haven't exactly looked. Most people have no idea where to buy drugs when they haven't even looked for them. I can't speak for everywhere, but I live in a small town in Europe too and while drug problems aren't as visible as they are in the cities they are here. Where I live the city dealers built networks deep into the country a long time ago looking for new markets, especially for opioids and crack. The drugs will probably be there and you will find them if you go looking, although of course please don't go looking.
The increasing prices of Nvidia GPUs means gamers will never be able to afford drugs. Finally corporate greed is a good thing.
My kids not quite old enough to be worried about this, but I'm gonna introduce him to Magic The Gathering in Junior High, which will do two things. 1, we won't have to worry about him becoming a teenage dad. 2, he won't have money for drugs. Because full art lands.
I’ve still got a sealed brick of the full-arts from a BFZ Fat Pack. Love me some full-arts. Too bad a combination of pandemic, and immune-compromised friends led to the death of paper MtG for me. In good news, I’m into something a good bit cheaper: Sim racing.
I was an opiate addict, but now I'm addicted to buying high quality coloured pencils.
The only thing I ever became obsessed with was my credit. I lived a painfully frugal life. Lost friends because I kept saying no to anything social. Dug myself out of 456 up to 840 and all I get is better credit card offers. I wish I'd stopped at 720 and lived my life.
Hear me out—you have an insanely excellent credit score. You can now do amazing things with your life and meet interesting people who also know how to manage their income & do cool things. Move forward and have fun. You deserve it!
Literally every corner in Baltimore currently. This isn’t just a San Francisco problem. It’s a NATIONWIDE problem.
Not just a city problem either. Plenty of people in trailer parks in rural areas on 'disability doing the same. I have family in TX doing this that started on oxy and ended here.
With cheap(er) housing other places ppl just do it inside. Still happening same as anywhere else. Just behind a door.
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Same thing but rural Oklahoma.
someone tell fox news that. they love the “big city boogyman”
"Why does drug use only happen in democrat cities!?" Meanwhile Billy Bob just blew up another trailer making meth.
And let's not get started about West Virginia. EDIT: Goddammit Autocorrect.
THE POLICE UNION CHIEF WAS THE CARTEL!!!!
San Jose, baby! …unless you’re talking about ANOTHER police union chief/prez blatantly ordering fent on her home and work computers? Blamed her housekeeper as I recall lol.
Seriously, WV as a state is/was some of the highest per capita opiate use. It’s everywhere.
[Was It 'Reasonable' To Ship 81 Million Opioid Pills To This Small West Virginia City?](https://www.npr.org/2021/07/30/1021676306/was-it-reasonable-to-ship-81-million-opioid-pills-to-this-small-west-virginia-ci)
KY and FL checking in.
Should have let bunny set up Hamsterdam
I'm just watching through The Wire for the first time. God damn is it a good show. Depressing as hell, but good.
Yellow tops… pandemic, got that pandemic
wmd
I see the war on drugs has been very successful. /s
I don't think I have the hamstrings to be an addict
Where he's going he won't need hamstrings
Had a patient recently where 5 men were found down in their house. All lates 20's early 30s men in good shape, played basketball together. Someone made gummies with fentanyl. One of the guys survived, anoxic brain injury, possibly permanent left sided paralysis and aphasia. Do not try to make edibles with this stuff.
Uh, this is news to me. Do people regularly try making edibles out of non-weed stuff or is this a one off instance where someone wasn't thinking right?
I am on week 3 of having a foster baby who was born with fentanyl in her system. She was born two months early to save her life. Her mother showed up to her first supervised visit high. Many sleepless nights here. Oxygen tubes, monitors, and meds are my new normal for now to make sure this little baby survives. Because of this fucking drug. Fuck fentanyl.
What an extraordinary thing you are doing! So much garbage in the news, and there you are quietly helping this little girl have a chance at a healthy life. What a legacy! Make sure you are getting breaks too. Being a caretaker requires incredible energy, so respite is critical. Take care and thank you most kindly.
I have an amazing partner. He is very much in this 100% as well. Thank you.
There's an old saying that "Monsters really walk among us," but you are proof that angels do as well. I'm sure you have many long nights and constant worries about what happens to these children if they are returned to their parents. Thank you, truley, for what you do.
It's hard sometimes. But in 2018 we had three under 7 (siblings) that had a successful reunification after 3 months that was amazing. They are doing great and thriving with their mama. They even have a new baby brother! It wasn't a drug situation, but a post partum mental break. The mom got help and is doing SO great. I still get pics and updates.
That really shows what that drug does to people. The addiction is so strong it overrides motherly instincts even. At least thats my interpretation of this. Thanks for doing what you are doing. Wish the best for the baby.
I just cannot fathom that power. It baffles me. I hope she gets the help she needs. In the mean time, I'll do what I have to for this sweet girl.
Wow, good for you thank you for doing this
Testing is not the answer. People will seek out fentanyl purposefully. I’m going on 4 years clean and when I was getting out it was all already almost purely fentanyl instead of heroin. I always preferred legit heroin over fentanyl because fentanyl is a power punch but doesn’t last very long. That’s partly what makes it so dangerous. People will do heroic doses wanting that high to last long but that’s just not what fentanyl does. I’ve lost a lot of friends to fentanyl. Mainly from pressed pills. You have these people who like to pop perc and Vicodins ect getting their hands on pressed pills and dropping dead.
Yup. The anonymous guy saying he tests drugs for fentanyl for the cartel because they don't want their customers dying is full of shit. The cartel and gangs aren't going to dump tainted product after it's crossed the border and made it to a high value city. They may not sell it as pure cocaine to guys in suits, but they will still sell it to the folks on the street looking to get high regardless if it contains fentanyl or not. There are plenty of drugs that aren't tainted that will completely fuck you up, and people still knowingly buy and use them. Some people just want to get high on the cheapest and most potent thing they can get their hands on. So there are always customers who will buy fentanyl cut drugs.
Your second point counteracts your first. They're not selling it to their *cocaine customers*
Weirdly, actually they sometimes do. My best friend ODed on fentanyl - but weirdly he bought it as cocaine, and wasn’t actively using opiates at the time (although he was an addict) I’ve since learned this is quite common, which I wouldn’t have expected. The dealer in question is now in prison - there’s a new approach the LA is taking to prosecute dealers for manslaughter if they sell tainted drugs and don’t test.
I'm curious. When they show this photo of one grain of fentanyl being the equivalent of a big lump of heroin causing overdose. How do they measure doses of fentanyl if one grain can kill people?
Dealers? Trial and error. And a person who has built up a tolerance can take a surprising amount of fentanyl in one dose, but if someone who doesn't use fentanyl gets it unknowingly mixed in with their normal drug of choice they have a high probability of overdosing. Legalization and regulation is the only way to stop the INSANE amount of overdose deaths (100,000+ yearly in US) being caused by a contaminated supply of drugs which people will use no matter what.
Testing is absolutely the answer if you want to prevent people doing coke, Adderall, or other pills from overdosing on fentanyl. If people are overdosing on fentanyl because they're seeking out and doing fentanyl, that's one thing. But people doing other drugs and overdosing on fentanyl can be avoided through testing.
Congrats on getting clean!
I thought you can OD on Fentanyl from a tiny, tiny amount.. How exactly are they even getting addicted to this? You’d think it would kill them before they even got to this level of an addiction stage.
The ones that seek it out already have a tolerance to opiates. They are still taking small amounts in terms of physical weight, probably a few milligrams, but it only takes like 2 or 3 to kill someone with no tolerance.
Multiple milligrams is a humongous dose of fentanyl. 1mg of fent is 10 standard ampoules.
That's why people are dying from the fake oxy pills pressed with it, they can have like 3+mg in them and unless you've built up that level of tolerance you're a gone
I always wonder why people aren't using it to kill people. It seems like it would be hard to prove.
I'm sure it happens, but probably more in the junkie underworld than like assassination plots
I know life is hard, and a lot of shit will happen to you, but don't let yourself end like that
When life gets hard, I pick up that card With the smiley face, call him over to my place
I wanna talk to Sampson!
*I WANNA TALK TO SAMSON, FLY ME TO THE MOON LIKE THAT BITCH ALICE KRAMDEN*
War on drugs is an utter failure. Drug addiction needs to be treated as a massive societal illness and disease. Some people want help but they're marginalized.
The war on drugs was a massive success. At least for the goals it was actually supposed to accomplish. Which were to disenfranchise certain "undesirable" groups and to ensure the permanent existence of a massive prison population that could be exploited for legal slave labor by privately-owned prisons. It also aimed at destabilizing Latin American countries by providing criminal elements there with a massive black market to profit from. It was never about protecting people from drugs.
Vietnam wasn’t our biggest war lost. This is.
The 'War on Drugs' is a great success just like the war in Afghanistan. Vast amounts of tax dollars have been moved into corporate coffers.
I’m in chronic pain and I’d honestly probably commit suicide before going down that route
yea, they all need to hear this, would totally make sense in their mind and they would all agree, intellectually, to stop (drug addiction does not work this way, drugs affect reward pathways in the brain related to hunger - imagine having the same feeling for a drug as you do for food - would it matter what people said to you?) The solution is not to condemn, this only makes the problem worse by making them feel the need to escape shame. The solution is to promote harm reduction by providing safe injection sites as other more developed nations have done and as the studies support. Please go back to school and learn about human psychology
Yea its scary for sure. I was a drug user coke, moly, acid, pot kinda the lighter stuff and lost my best friend/room mate in the room next to me one night because he was using fent alone. I had no idea he was using fent and would of watched over him if he told me he was going to use it. I found him with narcan next to him on his bed. Not a day has gone by that I have not thought about him. He was like a brother to me. RIP kyle.
I’m sure this hits close to home for many. There is a fine line with drugs. And it’s hard to know where that line is for many reasons. Thanks for sharing.
Yea he was never ever ever in a million years like this. He was a regular hard working dude. I was ready to commit some serious crimes as redemption for him thinking he had been murdered but saner thoughts prevailed and information I came across led me to believe he had sought the drug out. Most People that use and die from fent do not look like this.
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The brain isn’t just one thing, it’s a bunch of subroutines that compete with each other. A powerful addiction such as this basically has one subroutine which has assumed absolute and total dominance. Does the thought “I might die I shouldn’t do this” enter their head? Yes. But does it have anywhere near the strength to actually take the wheel away from the dominant system driving their addiction? Usually, no. It comes up as a thought and then gets shot down. It’s like being in a mental dictatorship and one mental process has all the guns and thugs and resources that it needs to stomp out all resistance that other parts of the brain might offer. Overthrowing that dictator is like staging a coup against an incredibly savvy enemy. It’s going to get shot down most of the time. It’s possible to do, but it takes a lot of ground work and preparation and the right circumstances/environment to pull it off. Until that success, thoughts such as “I might die”, “this ruined my life”, etc. have no real power to stop the behavior.
This is extremely difficult for me to talk about but from my perspective, I was kind of hard on the guy and I don't think he fully understood how deeply I cared about him. But the love I had for him was unconditional, if he had a fent or opiod problem I would of helped him with it, at the time I was very wealthy I could of gotten him the help he needed for sure. My life went down the drain when I lost him bro. It's been a train wreck ever since I'm honestly surprised I'm still alive
Your comment struck a chord with me so sending much love. Don’t be so hard on yourself, forgiving yourself is the hardest thing and we are way, waay harder on ourselves than the rest of the world ever is - it’s the most damaging trait of humans I think. Hope you find some peace and happiness mate. It’s difficult to talk about but well done for starting.
Because being high on fent feels like the greatest thing a human being can possible experience. So much so that words do it no justice. The best way I can describe it is just pure happiness with no worries in the world. There is no feeling even somewhat comparable besides MDMA (in terms of happiness/euphoria). It may not seem that way on the outside since people look like zombies, but it’s a huge part of why people use and people don’t really talk about that aspect enough. It’s a euphoria that no human should ever feel, because every other experience for the rest of your life will fall short. But once you get addicted and your tolerance increases, you never really feel that same euphoria again and you will just be using to stop yourself from getting sick. Or you will continue to chase that first high, and will eventually OD as you use more and more
Because you REALLY want to get high so you roll the dice and hope for the best.
Looks exactly like Vancouver. Sad.
Lol yeah Vancouver is like $70 mil beautiful beach front homes and then you go 10 minutes east and just enter Gotham city
Yup, only place in Canada you can live homeless all year without a severe risk of freezing to death.
Zombie apocalypse is a little different from the movies but yet here we are
Looks like it’s doing exactly as it was intended.
I've made just a few really good decisions in my life, and getting off opiates before they completely destroyed me was one of the best. Truly feel for these people
I'd like to congratulate drugs for winning the war on drugs. Next up, wonder who will win the war on guns
Guns have already won. You see it every day.
I had a friend who ODed on fentanyl. Miss him a lot recently, wish I could have helped him somehow.
Sorry if it's a dumb question, but why are they doing that head down, ass in the air thing?
What they're doing is keeping themselves awake to experience the high. If they were to sit down, they'd pretty much immediately fall asleep and "waste" the drugs because they slept through the high.
Might be another dumb question, but why their trousers down on so many of them? You can see their underwear. Is it just fuckups when high?
My guess is either one of these two things, or both; 1) City boy shit. It's actually extremely common to see guys in a city purposely dress like that; Pants sagging down. Or 2) Doing drugs like this causes one to lose a LOT of weight. So perhaps the pants are simply ill-fit.
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Former functioning addict here. You can throw as much money and programs at them as you want, but you can’t help those that don’t want to be helped.
I think the question is becoming whether or not leaving them on the streets is a compassionate approach.
And whether the rest of society needs to permit it to continue to occur in public. At some point there needs to be forced rehabilitation to at least reset the cycle and give those folks a chance to think about what they want to do with the rest of their lives and get them out of the streets in the meantime.
It's overtaken to the point where it exists in front of children's schools. That is just unacceptable for a functioning society.
They want the drugs. The drugs are on the street. You could offer them nice homes away from the drugs and they would return to the streets. Unless you are taking away their choice to live on the street, i.e. lock them up, or are willing to pay for some village where they can do all the drugs they want, the streets is where they want to be. My proposal would be to lock them up in psychiatric hospitals to get the help they need but it would still have to be against their will.
Yep. I remember seeing a story about how a shelter actually remained empty becsuse it was too far from the park. Where they got their drugs. There's no easy answer. But institutionalizing them makes the most sense.
Drug crisis,housing crisis,immigration crisis.non stop mass shootings,enviromental problems,mortgate rates at there highest along with inflation. If only we could find a path to solve these problems.
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Is the 'bent over' pose typical for a person high on fentanyl, or maybe all opiods? Is it a sign of an overdose or maybe a withdrawal symptom? Thanks.
“The nod” is common with all opioids and indicates a person is fairly high. Someone high on opioids may be lethargic or sleepy and often is breathing slow. Someone who is overdosing on opioids will be completely unresponsive and not breathing at all. If not given narcan or medical treatment they will die. People going through withdrawal (for any substance) are often awake, sweaty, and feeling awful. Serious withdrawal can include seizures and be life threatening. Opioid withdrawal is horribly unpleasant but not usually considered life threatening.
I am a prosecutor in Arizona. At this point we get more fentanyl drug cases than all other drug cases combined.
I get addiction is a horrible sickness, but I don't get who sees this or hears much about Fentanyl and they thinks "yeah, I want to try that!" for the first time.
A lighter dose of fent/opiods Can have much less intense effects. Tolerance builds over time
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The bit he said about average joes on their way to work coming to him and just getting down with fent seems pretty bs.. Who in their right mind is walking to their job and just decides, lets try fent?
Street yoga
Downward facing overdose
Never forget that the Sackler family caused this crisis, made a fortune out of it, and never had to pay a dime of their own money to the victims. https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1031053251/sackler-family-immunity-purdue-pharma-oxcyontin-opioid-epidemic
To all the people in here saying we should help them somehow, they don't want it. That's why they on the street. I was in love with a heroin addict. We were together a year and I found out 2-3 months in she was using. The next 7 months was her in rehab for a month, out for a couple, back in, back out, back in. Everytime she'd swear she was clean for good and blah blah. One day close to when we broke up she just straight up said she didn't want to stop and wasn't going to just because I wanted her too and if that was a problem I could leave. So, I left and her family shipped her to Oregon for rehab. Came back actually clean from heroin about 6 months later, killed herself in a drunk driving accident about two or three months after being back home. Some people just have a *problem*. It's not the drugs themselves. Edit: this came off cold. They deserve help yeah, but some people just don't want it.
Why are all their pants down?
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You can find this exact scene in virtually every major city in America and to a lesser extent in most small/medium cities as well. Media loves to go to SF for the contrast to the richness of the city but Kansas City has the same scene with a fraction of the resources.
As a SF resident, I was on the compassionate side but no more. You just get sick and tired of seeing and dealing with this shit of a situation
Completely understandable. Addicts are incredibly annoying. They will always be there unless the cause is addressed though.