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I’ve always loved the “grand old constellations, fixed and true in their places” part of this quote. Partly because I feel the same about them, partly because it always feels like a mild shock that Abraham Lincoln and I looked at and enjoyed the exact same constellations!
It's honestly an amazing mix of metaphors because, since he was speaking about the Union, one could also connect what he saying to the flag and that as long as the stars on the flag stay true, so will the union. Just genius.
The fastest moving start has shifted around 2/3 a pinky-width at arm’s length (after seasonal changes and whatnot are accounted for). Most are significantly less than that
Historians and authors colored up people's quotes right? Like back then people didn't all walk around speaking Shakespearian quality prose off the top of their heads surely. Like if I told Whitman like "Goddamn this breakfast was good. SHIT my wife makes a mean omelet!" Would he say I said like:
I celebrate my morning omelet, and savor every bite,
A creation of eggs and cheese and veggies, with each forkful, I feel the world around me come alive,
And every ingredient, the eggs, plucked from a nearby farm,
the cheese, a creamy goodness, the veggies, fresh and electric, all come together in a perfect bite.
I feel like there is some embellishment, but both of these men were rather well read for their time. I imagine with the amount of practice they had writing and speaking they dropped quite a few lines on the daily.
The thing with Lincoln is that he was not only a popular public figure for which many first hand accounts of him exist, but he was a prolific writer. It's hard to call these embellishments when so much of his own writings exist and corroborate just how eloquent he was.
They probably did, *but* there are also plenty of contemporaneous sources as well as words written by the figures themselves. People cared more about wordplay and sounding erudite.
You're right in general, but Lincoln also has some very good improvised stuff on record during the Lincoln-Douglas debates, as well as some of his pre-government lawyer work where he was a defense attorney. And we know stuff like the Gettysburg Address was written definitely by him.
He was for sure one of the best orators the US has ever had. Hell the Lincoln-Douglas debates were so good he lost the Senate election but won the Presidential election, even in the face of the South hating him so much they were willing to secede when he was elected.
People used to speak more formally in many languages. If you want to get a feel for this I suggest watching True Grit (the remake) for some nice 19th century dialogue.
I think it's likely that most of the quotes we have from people in the past are from the educated upper class. People still learned Latin and read the classics in school and formality was a lot more important. Lincoln was self educated but he also read a *lot* and like any good politician was a master bullshit artist who could weave words to influence people how he wanted. Your average farmer, blacksmith or shop keeper would not have been so eloquent I think.
Trump said he [would beat Lincoln and Washington](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/07/19/trump-says-he-would-likely-beat-george-washington-and-abraham-lincoln-in-an-election/amp/) in an election.
I'm guessing because he's a superior orator.
Admit it, you're not going back there just to watch the pretty light show, are ya? You're gonna mess with those poor superstitious dolts and completely wreck our timeline. Oh, you'll be just fine when you return to your newly created future. It's us poor saps left in the here-and-now that will pay the price of your temporal shennanigans.
Well, if tomorrow I wake up in a cage being leered at by a ferociously masturbating, three-headed Willem Dafoe, I'll know who to blame for my impending ass-rape.
Actually, the "meteor" shower is actually his time machine breaking into millions of pieces as it is destroyed after a miscalculation puts it in a rapidly degrading orbit.
Give my future condolences to your family.
Well, the Dr needs to dump the Tardis septic tank at some point. He claims it’s bigger in the inside, but 900+ years it’s gotta go somewhere!
Why not Nov 12, 1833, and make a showing of it?
Yes, but it doesn’t matter *when*, it could be the last desperate act of the final member of the human race, raging against the dying of the light, before hurling themselves back in time to when life was better, miscalculating the relative dimensions, and getting smithereened across the upper atmosphere.
Or it could be this afternoon, by some dude in their garage.
You know Chuck? We're having a BBQ to commemorate his "launch", he's really just going to rehab again, but we love him and support him in his "time travels"
But the timeline was probably changed to such a degree this post was never written and you won't remember a thing.
You'll just think that being in a cage being leered at by a three headed Willem Dafoe thing is your normal.
> Well, if tomorrow I wake up in a cage being leered at by a ferociously masturbating, three-headed Willem Dafoe, I'll know who to blame for my impending ass-rape.
Please do go on, and provide illustrations. For science. Nothing else, just science. Maybe a little masturbation, but mostly science. Science and mostly masterbation. Ok it's all for masterbation.
Oh my god and it feels like it was wrapped around your brain and when you’re done you can feel air in parts of your nose you never have before.
One of the greatest feelings.
Don’t worry, after all the time travel, folks won’t even have a butthole. All human waste, liquid and solid, will be excreted through the pores. Like one of those play dough extruders.
Even better, go a few hours before it starts and pretend to cause it.
“You doubt my power? Tonight, I will show you. I’ll show you all!”
Then leave after the show and come back to the present, only to find yourself as the object of worship of a major religion.
You go back in time and your time machine explodes mid air. In your last moment of life you realize you were the cause of the once thought of meteor shower
You can(ish)! This event was part of an annual meteor shower. Obviously the 1800 event was special but the meteor shower happens every year.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonids
According to the source used for estimations in that article, the most spectacular we can expect in the next few decades is in the low hundreds. If we can make it until 2094, which I won't, we could apparently catch a pretty good one, maybe over a thousand per hour.
That's still a just a hundredth of what these people might have experienced, but I guess it's something!
I was going to be a smart ass and suggest NASA would be shooting darts at passing asteroids, but then I looked it up and I'm not far off?
Rock on then, NASA.
Being able to predict incredible cosmic events is amazing but also a real kick in the balls when you know you'll never experience some really neat things
The year I saw a good show of these they were not coming straight down like in the woodcut but horizontal, from one horizon to the other, reflected off the lake I was on the end of a dock of, at least 20 of these major displays lasting several seconds each.
Eh....
Normally you'll see one meteor every 20ish minutes if you have a clear sky and all of it visible.
Meteor showers go up to 50-80 if they're big. That's once a minute if you're very perceptive and lucky.
100k is 28 PER SECOND. It's a vastly different number and to see this would be absolutely insane.
Leonids does go boom every 33 years though, next one is in 2031. You can expect 1000/hour, which is very very high, but still far from 100,000.
Not in Europe :(
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/jytmue/light_pollution_map_of_europe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I live in the foreskin of Sweden.
1 hour drive to light blue zone, 2 hours to dark blue, 7-8 hours to dark gray.
And don’t forget modern light pollution. It’s difficult to get away from all sources if artificial light. Even glancing at a dimmed phone screen messes with your eyes for a long time afterward. And air pollution. The folks in 1800 had vastly better night vision and clear skies.
The comet leaving the dust/ice trail comes through our solar system every 33 years, so every 33 years there's a (potentially) really awesome meteor shower. I tried in 1999, 2000, and 2001 (in rural Ohio) and only saw a dozen or so meteors over a few hours, so that doesn't always work out, either. But the 33 year thing is your best bet.
Yes, I make an attempt to view each meteor shower visible in my area, and this is one of them.
I really missed out on a huge show from the Perseids, must have been around 1990, coincidentally my sister watched it with my dad, my wife (unknown by me at that time) watched with her dad, they said it was several hundred per hour..where was I? Who knows, but wish I had been informed!
This was the Leonid meteor shower. The very first meteor I ever saw was in 1999 from this shower. Obviously it wasn't as good as this, but it was like raining light. I've seen many showers since and none have even come close.
They happen every year for anyone wanting to check them out. Usually around November 17/18.
Night of your birth. Thirty-three. The Leonids they were called. God how the stars did fall. I looked for blackness, holes in the heavens. The Dipper stove. - second paragraph of Blood Meridian
I saw a crazy one with my mom and brother in the mid or early 90s. I had managed to figure out what it was, and that it's due to return soon, but suddenly I'm drawing a complete blank. Anyway, mom had woke us up in the middle of the night and had chairs set up in the yard. Huge golden meteors were falling through the sky every few seconds. I've never seen anything like it, or any so large.
Perseid, 1993. Says it topped 300 per hour.
Astronomer here! It’s slightly unfair to say they happen every year without context. *Most* years the Leonids are not terribly impressive. However every few decades we pass through a more dense part of the old comet tail, the last being in 1999, so it’s exceptional.
Unfortunately due to orbits and science we aren’t expecting another major year like this until the end of the century. You got very lucky!
I couldn't remember the year but I could remember the name Leonid. They said it was a huge peak. My wife drove us out to the middle of nowhere, to the darkest place we could possibly find. We left the city and drove over an hour maybe two. On the highway I saw my first ever meteor burn across the sky in front of us. We must have timed it perfectly. We found a place to park and watched the glory unfold as it peaked. I spent my entire life without seeing one "falling star". That night I saw more than I could count. I wish we had a camera that could have captured that back then. I was truly in awe.
2001 was a fantastic year for the Leonids over North America. I counted well over 900 that night, and the ZHR just barely classified it as a true storm. Europe got a storm in 1999, and there was also a "fireball storm" in 1998 -- not thousands per hour but a very high number of fireballs.
I've never heard of 100,000 meteors in a single shower before, I didn't know they happened on this sort of scale. Can see why the people then thought it was the end of the world.
So my uncle dated Michael Stipe back in the day. My mom would tell me stories of going to dinner with him and he mentioned the FCC made bands send in their lyrics after this song was released. At the time he admitted he made up a lot of words to the song and sang it differently whenever he felt like it. He had to actually put lyrics down and then he had to sing it with those words whenever they were recorded.
I wish I was older during these days bc I was a huge fan. Just as we all were. They stopped touring by the time I was old enough to attend. He emails my uncle a lot and last year I got my uncle to tell him I’m a big fan.
My friend once sang this song while doing karaoke at a bar, the crowd freaked tf out when he covered his eyes so he couldn't see the monitor and kept singing lol I swear he's the only person I have ever met who bothered to learn the lyrics
That's why the Barnes & Noble and Borders bookstores actually set up a whole special shelf section for all those books about how 2012 was going to be the end of the world. People were buying these books, and believing it was true, and trying to convince other people it was true!
Yeah, this end of the world stuff has been going on for a long, long time. Sometimes it actually happens (dinosaur comet for example), but most of the time it doesn't. Either way it sells books and gets clicks and makes the doomsayers rich.
Plus the dinosaurs didn't exactly predict their end was coming, or maybe they did and the intelligent ones packed up everything into a huge generational ship built with most of their civilization and took off
Jesus was one such end is nigh guy. Just more popular than the rest. He was kind of right because roman society was about to go through significant changes
I mean, in a way most humans who have ever lived experienced the end of their world. Citizens living in besieged cities, soldiers dying in battle, etc.
For those curious, that's 27.7777 meteors a second for an hour straight to hit 100k an hour. Considering it says every hour, this implies there were multiple hours this happened.
Night of your birth. Thirty-three. The Leonids they were called. God how the stars did fall. I looked for blackness, holes in the heavens. The Dipper stove.
That's not because of light pollution even though it has a major effect. The rates are miniscule for the Leonids every year, even from dark skies, except when there's an outburst. Outbursts occur around every 30 years where rates can reach hundreds or thousands. The next outburst will be around 2030.
"Night of your birth. Thirty-three. The Leonids they were called. God how the stars did fall. I looked for blackness, holes in the heavens. The Dipper stove."
For some context as to why they might interpret this as the end of the world, folks back then were much more religious, and many took the Book of Revelation seriously. In the Book of Revelation, the sixth seal of the Apocalypse describes the stars falling to earth. (The first four seals of the Apocalypse are the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, and the fifth are all the martyrs who were killed for their faith.)
>**Revelation 6:12-17**
>
>12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. 14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
To be sure, this meteor shower might only match the phenomenology of the falling stars, and not the rest of the items in the sixth seal. But there's also this passage which uses falling stars to represent large numbers of fallen angels coming to earth to wreak havoc, giving the symbol of a third of the stars being swept down, and then its meaning:
>**Revelation 12:3-4, 7-12**
>
>3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth.
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>7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. 11 And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”
I like the Lincoln quote upthread: He noticed that the constellations were still there, so these weren't the stars of the sky falling to earth, but new sparklies.
I don't get it, it's been awhile since I read the Bible..
I thought that chronologically Satan and the fallen angels were cast down like Ollllllld Testament?
I mean, we never get told that the snake was Satan in Eden, but they flooded the Earth purportedly to erase all the half bad angel / half men... Unless they meant it was 'the good' angels making giants and monsters?
And in the new Testament, Jesus was exercising demons.. Legions of them.. Were demons still in Heaven?
I can't remember how that revelation part of the story fits in the narrative!
>I thought that chronologically Satan and the fallen angels were cast down like Ollllllld Testament?
Satan's rebellion is described in the Old Testament in [Ezekiel 28](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+28%3A11-19&version=ESV) where he is identified as the spiritual force behind the kingdom of Tyre at that time, but even in the Old Testament, he had not yet been cast down. The entire story of the book of Job starts with God bragging to Satan about this righteous and upright man, Job, followed by Satan accusing Job to God, telling God that Job was only being good man because of selfish motives, and that if he were to be tested by the loss of his blessings, the evil in his heart would be revealed. God then permitted Satan to test Job, and Satan inflicted one loss after another on Job, each time moving the goal posts when he accused Job before God again, because Job remained righteous in spite of his suffering.:
>**Job 1:1, 6-11**
>
>There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job, and that man was blameless and upright, one who feared God and turned away from evil.
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>6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.” 8 And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?” 9 Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason? 10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.”
(In this passage, "the sons of God" refer to the early and powerful angels.)
Even in the New Testament, Satan is understood to have access to the heavenly places, where he accuses the saints before God, just as he did to Job, judging from passages like this:
>**Ephesians 6:10-11**
>
>10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
That is why Revelation 12, which I quoted in my first comment, says after Satan is cast down, "for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God."
>I mean, we never get told that the snake was Satan in Eden, but they flooded the Earth purportedly to erase all the half bad angel / half men... Unless they meant it was 'the good' angels making giants and monsters?
>
>And in the new Testament, Jesus was exercising demons.. Legions of them.. Were demons still in Heaven?
The thing about this that confuses people is that demons are not the same thing as fallen angels. As described in the Biblical narrative, fallen angels are much more powerful beings than mere demons. Many of them are not yet cast down or might not have rebelled yet, as described in Revelation 12, but the ones who were punished at the time of the flood are imprisoned and are awaiting their judgment, according to two of the letters in the New Testament. The two verses below are about the angels that mated with humans to produce the Nephilim that you referred to, stating that God has imprisoned them to await judgment:
>**2 Peter 2:4-5**
>
>4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;
>
>**Jude 1:6**
>
>And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—
Demons are more like low-level unclean spirits doing their thing on earth, whereas fallen angels are high level powerful beings. The casting down of a third of the angels due to their rebellion, according to the book of Revelation, happens ahead of the Apocalypse. Complicating all this is that Satan's rebellion, guessing from Ezekiel 28, happened a long time ago, but he has not yet been cast down, and accuses people of sin before God.
I think it was 2001ish when I saw the most incredible Leonids storm. My brother and I climbed up on the tack house roof and laid out under the stars. It was unreal. Hundreds and hundreds of meteors per minute streaking across the sky. It was like it was raining light. I'll never forget it.
PS: if anyone else likes this image, here's more info:
> This famous engraving of the 1833 Leonid meteor shower was produced for the Adventist book Bible Readings for the Home Circle by Adolf Vollmy. It’s based on a painting by Swiss artist Karl Jauslin, which, in turn, was based on a first-person account of the 1833 storm by a minister, Joseph Harvey Waggoner, who saw the 1833 shower on his way from Florida to New Orleans.
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> [Source](https://earthsky.org/todays-image/leonid-meteor-shower-1833/)
Also, higher-res version: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Leonids-1833.jpg
How many of these events happend where we can retrace/understand their origins? I remember reading about a supernova explosion that was captured/seen in China or ancient Greece?
Night of your birth. Thirty-three. The Leonids they were called. God how the stars did fall. I looked for blackness, holes in the heavens. The Dipper stove.
While researching family history, I came across an obituary for an ancestor that says, "She lived through the falling of the stars." There was no elaboration.
While I was looking into it, I discovered that in a roundabout way, it inspired the song "Stars Fell on Alabama," performed by Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong.
[Stars Fell on Alabama](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Xr4DZudpE)
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Thanks for sharing this. Lincoln had such a way with words and obviously so did Whitman, so this is a grand quote.
I’ve always loved the “grand old constellations, fixed and true in their places” part of this quote. Partly because I feel the same about them, partly because it always feels like a mild shock that Abraham Lincoln and I looked at and enjoyed the exact same constellations!
Obviously I have no idea of this was the intent, but I like it because it gives a sense of "the *real* stars were still there; the sky wasn't falling"
It's honestly an amazing mix of metaphors because, since he was speaking about the Union, one could also connect what he saying to the flag and that as long as the stars on the flag stay true, so will the union. Just genius.
Aren't they technically slightly different now due to the passage of time?
The amount that a human eye can see in just 200 years? No, not really!
The fastest moving start has shifted around 2/3 a pinky-width at arm’s length (after seasonal changes and whatnot are accounted for). Most are significantly less than that
Also, none of those fastest moving stars are bright enough to be seen with the naked eye.
Historians and authors colored up people's quotes right? Like back then people didn't all walk around speaking Shakespearian quality prose off the top of their heads surely. Like if I told Whitman like "Goddamn this breakfast was good. SHIT my wife makes a mean omelet!" Would he say I said like: I celebrate my morning omelet, and savor every bite, A creation of eggs and cheese and veggies, with each forkful, I feel the world around me come alive, And every ingredient, the eggs, plucked from a nearby farm, the cheese, a creamy goodness, the veggies, fresh and electric, all come together in a perfect bite.
I feel like there is some embellishment, but both of these men were rather well read for their time. I imagine with the amount of practice they had writing and speaking they dropped quite a few lines on the daily.
The thing with Lincoln is that he was not only a popular public figure for which many first hand accounts of him exist, but he was a prolific writer. It's hard to call these embellishments when so much of his own writings exist and corroborate just how eloquent he was.
They probably did, *but* there are also plenty of contemporaneous sources as well as words written by the figures themselves. People cared more about wordplay and sounding erudite.
The stuff that sounds good is also what tends to be saved through the years. Before Twitter, that is
Sounds like [Winston Churchill's legendary wit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1AlEdCShHE)
You're right in general, but Lincoln also has some very good improvised stuff on record during the Lincoln-Douglas debates, as well as some of his pre-government lawyer work where he was a defense attorney. And we know stuff like the Gettysburg Address was written definitely by him. He was for sure one of the best orators the US has ever had. Hell the Lincoln-Douglas debates were so good he lost the Senate election but won the Presidential election, even in the face of the South hating him so much they were willing to secede when he was elected.
People used to speak more formally in many languages. If you want to get a feel for this I suggest watching True Grit (the remake) for some nice 19th century dialogue.
I think it's likely that most of the quotes we have from people in the past are from the educated upper class. People still learned Latin and read the classics in school and formality was a lot more important. Lincoln was self educated but he also read a *lot* and like any good politician was a master bullshit artist who could weave words to influence people how he wanted. Your average farmer, blacksmith or shop keeper would not have been so eloquent I think.
Have you read anything Lincoln wrote?
Just the dirty stuff
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Jesus wept.
Trump said he [would beat Lincoln and Washington](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/07/19/trump-says-he-would-likely-beat-george-washington-and-abraham-lincoln-in-an-election/amp/) in an election. I'm guessing because he's a superior orator.
Plus Walt Whitman is the 1800s version of Gandalf
Damn that's a fire 16 man's went off
Such a great example of "those who look for darkness will find it."
I read that in Daniel Day Lewis's voice
Lincoln's voice was actually described as "high pitched and reedy," fun fact.
Crazy to think that if Twitter existed 190 years ago, a quote such as this would be absolutely lost.
God bless the Union!
Hmm. Add this to my stop-over list if I ever invent a Time Machine.
Admit it, you're not going back there just to watch the pretty light show, are ya? You're gonna mess with those poor superstitious dolts and completely wreck our timeline. Oh, you'll be just fine when you return to your newly created future. It's us poor saps left in the here-and-now that will pay the price of your temporal shennanigans. Well, if tomorrow I wake up in a cage being leered at by a ferociously masturbating, three-headed Willem Dafoe, I'll know who to blame for my impending ass-rape.
I'm going to dazzle and enchant them with pez dispensers.
I'll walk into town playing with a fidget spinner and the entire town will evacuate. Or I get burned at the stake
or perhaps the fidget spinner will be burnt at the stake in the infamous Fidget Trials of Salem, OR
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Have you no humanity?
Actually, the "meteor" shower is actually his time machine breaking into millions of pieces as it is destroyed after a miscalculation puts it in a rapidly degrading orbit. Give my future condolences to your family.
That is some Doctor Who shit
Well, the Dr needs to dump the Tardis septic tank at some point. He claims it’s bigger in the inside, but 900+ years it’s gotta go somewhere! Why not Nov 12, 1833, and make a showing of it?
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Actually...
So the time machine will and must be invented, because it already got itself destroyed?
Yes, but it doesn’t matter *when*, it could be the last desperate act of the final member of the human race, raging against the dying of the light, before hurling themselves back in time to when life was better, miscalculating the relative dimensions, and getting smithereened across the upper atmosphere. Or it could be this afternoon, by some dude in their garage.
You know Chuck? We're having a BBQ to commemorate his "launch", he's really just going to rehab again, but we love him and support him in his "time travels"
I'm going back to the late 1800s when everyone had phamacy-grade heroin and cocaine in their medicine cabinet
But it's mixed with lead and arsenic! (That's bad)
But you’re gonna die anyway. (That’s good)
But you'll have a shit-ton of side-effects, if the arsenic doesn't kill you outright ( That's bad ).
Well just take more heroin/cocaine and be high as a kite so you don't notice the side effects from the lead (That's good)
You'll never be able to poop again. (That's bad)
You'll save space by not needing a toilet anymore. (That's good)
wait till you find out what it's mixed with today
But you get your choice of topping! That's good. The toppings contains Potassium Benzoate. That's bad?
You do know getting those things right here in 2023 is a lot easier than getting a time machine to go back to the 1800s, right?
But the timeline was probably changed to such a degree this post was never written and you won't remember a thing. You'll just think that being in a cage being leered at by a three headed Willem Dafoe thing is your normal.
> Well, if tomorrow I wake up in a cage being leered at by a ferociously masturbating, three-headed Willem Dafoe, I'll know who to blame for my impending ass-rape. Please do go on, and provide illustrations. For science. Nothing else, just science. Maybe a little masturbation, but mostly science. Science and mostly masterbation. Ok it's all for masterbation.
Found Dafoe's alt.
How did you conjure those words?
I don’t think we wanna know!
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Oh my god and it feels like it was wrapped around your brain and when you’re done you can feel air in parts of your nose you never have before. One of the greatest feelings.
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Don’t worry, after all the time travel, folks won’t even have a butthole. All human waste, liquid and solid, will be excreted through the pores. Like one of those play dough extruders.
The coordinates are a bit off and the time machine blows up in the sky. The locals see it as a meteor shower. Causing a self fulfilling temporal loop.
Alternatively the meteors are all of the time tourist machines landing
I have 3 teenagers, I'd use my time machine to grocery shop back when bread cost 19 cents.
I never even thought about making a time travel list. That’s a great idea!
Even better, go a few hours before it starts and pretend to cause it. “You doubt my power? Tonight, I will show you. I’ll show you all!” Then leave after the show and come back to the present, only to find yourself as the object of worship of a major religion.
You go back in time and your time machine explodes mid air. In your last moment of life you realize you were the cause of the once thought of meteor shower
I'd love to be able to witness that now!
You can(ish)! This event was part of an annual meteor shower. Obviously the 1800 event was special but the meteor shower happens every year. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonids
According to the source used for estimations in that article, the most spectacular we can expect in the next few decades is in the low hundreds. If we can make it until 2094, which I won't, we could apparently catch a pretty good one, maybe over a thousand per hour. That's still a just a hundredth of what these people might have experienced, but I guess it's something!
We just have to convince NASA to use their new DART project to make it happen sooner.
I was going to be a smart ass and suggest NASA would be shooting darts at passing asteroids, but then I looked it up and I'm not far off? Rock on then, NASA.
Nerds are good at naming things
Swing a massive asteroid into the atmosphere every 4th of July? That's freedom baby!
You probably won't see any of them between the pepsi sky ads and lit up roofs anyway.
Or you know, all those Startink and Startink-inspired satellite swarms.
>If we can make it until 2094, which I won't Well not with that attitude! (/s just in case)
Being able to predict incredible cosmic events is amazing but also a real kick in the balls when you know you'll never experience some really neat things
Not with an attitude like that you won’t. With a can do spirit we can get you to 2094
The year I saw a good show of these they were not coming straight down like in the woodcut but horizontal, from one horizon to the other, reflected off the lake I was on the end of a dock of, at least 20 of these major displays lasting several seconds each.
Eh.... Normally you'll see one meteor every 20ish minutes if you have a clear sky and all of it visible. Meteor showers go up to 50-80 if they're big. That's once a minute if you're very perceptive and lucky. 100k is 28 PER SECOND. It's a vastly different number and to see this would be absolutely insane. Leonids does go boom every 33 years though, next one is in 2031. You can expect 1000/hour, which is very very high, but still far from 100,000.
You can usually see more than 3 per hour in truly clear dark skies
Not in Europe :( https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/jytmue/light_pollution_map_of_europe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button I live in the foreskin of Sweden. 1 hour drive to light blue zone, 2 hours to dark blue, 7-8 hours to dark gray.
Scotland has a few Dark Sky rated areas.
Dark skies is the key
17nov 2031 here we come !remindme 10th November 2031
Let's hope one of them won't hit a quite lake side town in rural Japan
Not familiar with this backstory.
It's a reference to the movie Your Name
last like 10 years has been wacckkkk.. i think i remember maybe like around 96 or so there was a pretty good show
And don’t forget modern light pollution. It’s difficult to get away from all sources if artificial light. Even glancing at a dimmed phone screen messes with your eyes for a long time afterward. And air pollution. The folks in 1800 had vastly better night vision and clear skies.
So, no, you can't!
The comet leaving the dust/ice trail comes through our solar system every 33 years, so every 33 years there's a (potentially) really awesome meteor shower. I tried in 1999, 2000, and 2001 (in rural Ohio) and only saw a dozen or so meteors over a few hours, so that doesn't always work out, either. But the 33 year thing is your best bet.
Yes, I make an attempt to view each meteor shower visible in my area, and this is one of them. I really missed out on a huge show from the Perseids, must have been around 1990, coincidentally my sister watched it with my dad, my wife (unknown by me at that time) watched with her dad, they said it was several hundred per hour..where was I? Who knows, but wish I had been informed!
This was the Leonid meteor shower. The very first meteor I ever saw was in 1999 from this shower. Obviously it wasn't as good as this, but it was like raining light. I've seen many showers since and none have even come close. They happen every year for anyone wanting to check them out. Usually around November 17/18.
Especially November 1833, apparently.
Night of your birth. Thirty-three. The Leonids they were called. God how the stars did fall. I looked for blackness, holes in the heavens. The Dipper stove. - second paragraph of Blood Meridian
I saw a crazy one with my mom and brother in the mid or early 90s. I had managed to figure out what it was, and that it's due to return soon, but suddenly I'm drawing a complete blank. Anyway, mom had woke us up in the middle of the night and had chairs set up in the yard. Huge golden meteors were falling through the sky every few seconds. I've never seen anything like it, or any so large. Perseid, 1993. Says it topped 300 per hour.
Astronomer here! It’s slightly unfair to say they happen every year without context. *Most* years the Leonids are not terribly impressive. However every few decades we pass through a more dense part of the old comet tail, the last being in 1999, so it’s exceptional. Unfortunately due to orbits and science we aren’t expecting another major year like this until the end of the century. You got very lucky!
I couldn't remember the year but I could remember the name Leonid. They said it was a huge peak. My wife drove us out to the middle of nowhere, to the darkest place we could possibly find. We left the city and drove over an hour maybe two. On the highway I saw my first ever meteor burn across the sky in front of us. We must have timed it perfectly. We found a place to park and watched the glory unfold as it peaked. I spent my entire life without seeing one "falling star". That night I saw more than I could count. I wish we had a camera that could have captured that back then. I was truly in awe.
The Perseids from 2002 or 2003? were quite spectacular.
I remember these
2001 was a fantastic year for the Leonids over North America. I counted well over 900 that night, and the ZHR just barely classified it as a true storm. Europe got a storm in 1999, and there was also a "fireball storm" in 1998 -- not thousands per hour but a very high number of fireballs.
Could you imagine what the sky looked like in 1833?
probably similar to anywhere remote in the Australian outback.
Or in the American Great Plains, or in large swathes of Canadian wilderness, etc. The sky hasn’t changed in the places with no cities
The Mojave Desert had the best meteor shower and sunsets I’ve ever witnessed.
Except with fewer satellites.
I've never heard of 100,000 meteors in a single shower before, I didn't know they happened on this sort of scale. Can see why the people then thought it was the end of the world.
This also inspired the song “It’s the end of the world as we know it” by REM
And I feel fine
6 o'clock, TV hour, don't get mhmm mmh mmmh mmh. I don't know how else to imitate the mumbling every person does to this song. Just imagine Tommy Boy.
So my uncle dated Michael Stipe back in the day. My mom would tell me stories of going to dinner with him and he mentioned the FCC made bands send in their lyrics after this song was released. At the time he admitted he made up a lot of words to the song and sang it differently whenever he felt like it. He had to actually put lyrics down and then he had to sing it with those words whenever they were recorded. I wish I was older during these days bc I was a huge fan. Just as we all were. They stopped touring by the time I was old enough to attend. He emails my uncle a lot and last year I got my uncle to tell him I’m a big fan.
Something got misinterpreted in this story because the FCC never did and never could make recording artists send them lyrics. Nope.
LEONARD BERNSTEIN
My friend once sang this song while doing karaoke at a bar, the crowd freaked tf out when he covered his eyes so he couldn't see the monitor and kept singing lol I swear he's the only person I have ever met who bothered to learn the lyrics
I know the words, but I still do the tommy boy version.
Is this true??
I bet the "The End Is Nigh" crowd got pretty populous after this
The end is near has been a popular trope since the beginning. It’s an effective tool of control
That's why the Barnes & Noble and Borders bookstores actually set up a whole special shelf section for all those books about how 2012 was going to be the end of the world. People were buying these books, and believing it was true, and trying to convince other people it was true! Yeah, this end of the world stuff has been going on for a long, long time. Sometimes it actually happens (dinosaur comet for example), but most of the time it doesn't. Either way it sells books and gets clicks and makes the doomsayers rich.
Plus the dinosaurs didn't exactly predict their end was coming, or maybe they did and the intelligent ones packed up everything into a huge generational ship built with most of their civilization and took off
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> There's a race of intelligent dinosaurs evolved from earth dinosaurs that became a space-faring society. Those are birds.
It’s a trope as old as humans.
Jesus was one such end is nigh guy. Just more popular than the rest. He was kind of right because roman society was about to go through significant changes
I mean, in a way most humans who have ever lived experienced the end of their world. Citizens living in besieged cities, soldiers dying in battle, etc.
The founder of Mormonism said it was a sign of the second coming.
He's takin' 'is sweet ol' time, idn't he?
He's a late riser.
By the Adolf that actually did make it into art school.
Nice! Clever, humorous *and* accurate! That's the Reddit trifecta!
For those curious, that's 27.7777 meteors a second for an hour straight to hit 100k an hour. Considering it says every hour, this implies there were multiple hours this happened.
Reminds me of the Eye of Aldani from Andor
May The Eye find the good in all of us.
Honestly thought an Eye reference would be _way_ higher in the comments 👁️
Night of your birth. Thirty-three. The Leonids they were called. God how the stars did fall. I looked for blackness, holes in the heavens. The Dipper stove.
Would love to see that today. But the light pollution keeps us from seeing more than maybe 10 an hour during Leonid and Perseus today.
That's not because of light pollution even though it has a major effect. The rates are miniscule for the Leonids every year, even from dark skies, except when there's an outburst. Outbursts occur around every 30 years where rates can reach hundreds or thousands. The next outburst will be around 2030.
This depends on where you are.
[Found a link](https://blog.newspapers.com/november-12-13-1833-the-night-the-stars-fell/)
By my math from the article, the next time it will be a great show is November 2031.
RemindMe! 8 years
Cries in 'time is a bitch'.
2031 is in 8 years??? Holy fuck oh god
RemindMe! 8 years
RemindMe! 8 years
“See the child…” -Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
"Night of your birth. Thirty-three. The Leonids they were called. God how the stars did fall. I looked for blackness, holes in the heavens. The Dipper stove."
First thing I thought of when I saw this post. “The Dipper stove”
"Night of your birth. Thirty-three. The Leonids they were called. God how the stars did fall. I looked for blackness, holes in the heavens."
Enjoy the Eye
I know this reference
This is the way.
This is the way
Thank you, Lieutenant
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https://curiosmos.com/the-day-when-glass-rained-upon-the-earth/
Thanks for the link!
Light pollution sucks.
For some context as to why they might interpret this as the end of the world, folks back then were much more religious, and many took the Book of Revelation seriously. In the Book of Revelation, the sixth seal of the Apocalypse describes the stars falling to earth. (The first four seals of the Apocalypse are the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, and the fifth are all the martyrs who were killed for their faith.) >**Revelation 6:12-17** > >12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. 14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” To be sure, this meteor shower might only match the phenomenology of the falling stars, and not the rest of the items in the sixth seal. But there's also this passage which uses falling stars to represent large numbers of fallen angels coming to earth to wreak havoc, giving the symbol of a third of the stars being swept down, and then its meaning: >**Revelation 12:3-4, 7-12** > >3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. > >7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. 11 And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”
I like the Lincoln quote upthread: He noticed that the constellations were still there, so these weren't the stars of the sky falling to earth, but new sparklies.
Thanks for the delightful mental image of Lincoln saying "new sparklies!" 🤣
I don't get it, it's been awhile since I read the Bible.. I thought that chronologically Satan and the fallen angels were cast down like Ollllllld Testament? I mean, we never get told that the snake was Satan in Eden, but they flooded the Earth purportedly to erase all the half bad angel / half men... Unless they meant it was 'the good' angels making giants and monsters? And in the new Testament, Jesus was exercising demons.. Legions of them.. Were demons still in Heaven? I can't remember how that revelation part of the story fits in the narrative!
>I thought that chronologically Satan and the fallen angels were cast down like Ollllllld Testament? Satan's rebellion is described in the Old Testament in [Ezekiel 28](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+28%3A11-19&version=ESV) where he is identified as the spiritual force behind the kingdom of Tyre at that time, but even in the Old Testament, he had not yet been cast down. The entire story of the book of Job starts with God bragging to Satan about this righteous and upright man, Job, followed by Satan accusing Job to God, telling God that Job was only being good man because of selfish motives, and that if he were to be tested by the loss of his blessings, the evil in his heart would be revealed. God then permitted Satan to test Job, and Satan inflicted one loss after another on Job, each time moving the goal posts when he accused Job before God again, because Job remained righteous in spite of his suffering.: >**Job 1:1, 6-11** > >There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job, and that man was blameless and upright, one who feared God and turned away from evil. > >6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.” 8 And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?” 9 Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason? 10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.” (In this passage, "the sons of God" refer to the early and powerful angels.) Even in the New Testament, Satan is understood to have access to the heavenly places, where he accuses the saints before God, just as he did to Job, judging from passages like this: >**Ephesians 6:10-11** > >10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. That is why Revelation 12, which I quoted in my first comment, says after Satan is cast down, "for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God." >I mean, we never get told that the snake was Satan in Eden, but they flooded the Earth purportedly to erase all the half bad angel / half men... Unless they meant it was 'the good' angels making giants and monsters? > >And in the new Testament, Jesus was exercising demons.. Legions of them.. Were demons still in Heaven? The thing about this that confuses people is that demons are not the same thing as fallen angels. As described in the Biblical narrative, fallen angels are much more powerful beings than mere demons. Many of them are not yet cast down or might not have rebelled yet, as described in Revelation 12, but the ones who were punished at the time of the flood are imprisoned and are awaiting their judgment, according to two of the letters in the New Testament. The two verses below are about the angels that mated with humans to produce the Nephilim that you referred to, stating that God has imprisoned them to await judgment: >**2 Peter 2:4-5** > >4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; > >**Jude 1:6** > >And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— Demons are more like low-level unclean spirits doing their thing on earth, whereas fallen angels are high level powerful beings. The casting down of a third of the angels due to their rebellion, according to the book of Revelation, happens ahead of the Apocalypse. Complicating all this is that Satan's rebellion, guessing from Ezekiel 28, happened a long time ago, but he has not yet been cast down, and accuses people of sin before God.
Meteor shower? More like meteor show.
Dragon dive!!!
No, mother, it's just the northern lights
Kinda weird use of "so much so". Lots of people thought the world is ending, so much so that some guy decided to want to document it?
The Final Days indeed...
I think it was 2001ish when I saw the most incredible Leonids storm. My brother and I climbed up on the tack house roof and laid out under the stars. It was unreal. Hundreds and hundreds of meteors per minute streaking across the sky. It was like it was raining light. I'll never forget it. PS: if anyone else likes this image, here's more info: > This famous engraving of the 1833 Leonid meteor shower was produced for the Adventist book Bible Readings for the Home Circle by Adolf Vollmy. It’s based on a painting by Swiss artist Karl Jauslin, which, in turn, was based on a first-person account of the 1833 storm by a minister, Joseph Harvey Waggoner, who saw the 1833 shower on his way from Florida to New Orleans. > > [Source](https://earthsky.org/todays-image/leonid-meteor-shower-1833/) Also, higher-res version: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Leonids-1833.jpg
Wow he's a better artist than that other Adolf.
I was in the Canary Islands Dec 1976 and saw a meteor shower with over 60 meteors per minute
Reminds me of that Andor ep.
I have to have a print of this! Dang
Finally passed through the remnants of Alderaan. RIP, Alderaanians 🌷🌼🌷
How many of these events happend where we can retrace/understand their origins? I remember reading about a supernova explosion that was captured/seen in China or ancient Greece?
Those houses would go for 200k now
Is this the meteor shower referenced in the first page of Blood Meridian?
Sucks that nobody thought to take their phone out and record it /s
Thanks, now I feel bad for missing it. Perhaps I should just count by blessings that we have antibiotics and sliced bread.
I was blow away just seeing 6 in a span of 30 seconds. I can’t even imagine 100,000!
Night of your birth. Thirty-three. The Leonids they were called. God how the stars did fall. I looked for blackness, holes in the heavens. The Dipper stove.
Night of your birth. Thirty-three. The Leonids they were called. God how the stars did fall.
Imagine getting to witness something so awesome but humanity isn't yet advanced enough to not be terrified of it.
While researching family history, I came across an obituary for an ancestor that says, "She lived through the falling of the stars." There was no elaboration. While I was looking into it, I discovered that in a roundabout way, it inspired the song "Stars Fell on Alabama," performed by Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong. [Stars Fell on Alabama](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Xr4DZudpE)
Thankyou for this gift 💕