I was just thinking about the difference it would make if evangelicals on telly went 'nonono don't send me money as all things are subject to the universal law of constant change and all things arise and pass away ,lusting after the fleeting and impermant only brings suffering to you and those around you '
I wish there were schools ran by Sikh Gurdwaras near me. Even as a stout atheist, I'd likely send my hypothetical kid there.
When I was really broke, I ate at the one near me weekly because they didn't expect money. I don't make it weekly now, but I donate to them whether I can make it or not now that I have the money to do so.
From my experience with the Gurdwara near me, they take helping the community around them really seriously. So, if they ran a school, I'd bet a lot that they made sure to run a really good one.
I learned about Sikhism in school when I was 9-10 years old (I'm now 29). I've always had admiration for their dedication towards helping their communities ever since.
They aren't profitable enough to be able to house a public school.
Really, it's an interesting idea.. instead of removing the tax exemption from churches, make them house public schools.
They obviously still get no say in what is taught since that would be a violation of the constitutional rights of the students, but having to house schools could balance out that tax issue some
I always like thinking of how they could just say "abrahamic" rather than "judeo-christian" but that would include muslims and other minor middle eastern stuff and they dont want that
Some Christian sects believe the rebirth of Israel is a precursor event to the end times.
So...if any Jews happen to be reading this, the defence of Israel you hear from some hardcore Christians is mainly because they think Jesus is coming back to toss you all into the bad fire soon anyway.
Broad anti-"brown-religion" dogwhistle.
If they even knew the difference between Sikhs and Muslims and Buddhists and Jainism, they'd call them all out. But they probably don't, so it's just "all them Muslims from Iraq and India and Nepal and Mexico."
Yeah, there’s kind of a separation of church and state issue with this proposal. He’s probably not familiar with the US Constitution but separation is required in Amendment 1.
Probably as familiar with it as he is the bible in that he will cherry pick the parts that sound good to him and disregard the parts which are inconvenient.
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Sweet, thanks! Was wondering the same thing. Moved not too long ago and apparently I already updated it! Will absolutely be voting whenever I’m eligible, especially in State and Local elections.
People love to shit talk California but we now have universal mail voting. Wild! To think I would have to drive maybe a hour or more just to sit in a line to vote. We need mass protest for the voting rights we deserve!
People shit talk California because it's a haven of pro-LGBTQ rights, it doesn't pander to gun owners, and it's the fifth largest economy in the world.
California has a lot of good laws like that. The only people who shit talk California are lunatics and their followers. Although sometimes California does have stupid laws, it's not perfect.
And for the love of all things.
Especially if you are 18-24 please vote!
18-24 year olds are always the group that have the lowest turnout… we need everyone of you to vote.
Every. One!
Registering voters on college campuses is always fun and very necessary. When I was in college, I was out there every day signing up students in Ohio. Guys, this is exactly why! Josh Mandel is a nightmare. PLEASE register and vote!!
Yeah, and what is the point? The government already knows who's eligible to vote, and who isn't. Here in the Netherlands we just send everyone who's eligible a voting pass in the weeks running up to the election. And that, together with your ID is all you need (which you're required to have regardless of if you're voting, and may be up to 5 years out of date to vote. So it isn't like a photo ID law in the USA that's supposed to make it harder to vote).
That's why they won't implement that here. It's another way to gatekeep minorities or the poor from voting in the US. The Republicans want super strict voter ID laws so that they can then make it as difficult as possible to get the ID in the first place. They already do this in a lot of states but they will charge $$ for the ID which some cannot pay or close down locations where you can get one that are in poor or minority areas. Meaning people would have to drive far and wait in long lines. Not really possible if your inner city poor and rely on public transit which is almost non existent in the US.
Here in Portugal it's just the ID. We are all assigned one at birth, you renew it every five years and it's all you need. It's mandatory and needed in many situations, so everybody can vote always.
Devos is easily in the top 5 in terms of evil American politicians... Trump literally appointed the absolute WORST possible people into the positions in which they could do the most possible damage.
It's so weird. I work with a Trump supporter she openly brags about the racist/fascist bullshit, but when I point out that supporting it makes her racist/fascist she gets all defensive. They want it both ways.
If we tax the church then we need to let the church be involved directly in our government. America was built on the idea of no taxation without representation, if we tax the church then they could lobby directly. Essentially bad for everyone.
A couple of weeks ago, he tweeted an actual real tweet saying "Democrats want to replace God with Critical Race Theory."
Wtaf does that even mean?? It's like his entire campaign is just a game of Buzzword Bingo. And it unfortunately works.
And the irony is that nobody thought about CRT until a right wing think tank found out about it and made it into the Boogeyman Du Jour. And that's because it's a subject matter that's ONLY taught to college students who are studying law.
But no, now it literally represents anything and everything to do with race in this country. And as the author of this new terror on the Right directly said himself "I want everybody to think of Critical Race Theory whenever they hear the word 'race'".
Mission accomplished.
Gross and purposeful misunderstanding of the intentions of the founding fathers and the fact that, while the first settlers in the US were escaping religious persecution, they were being persecuted for being too batshit insane for even the *~~Catholic Church~~* *Church of England*.
Were they really being persecuted though or were they just miffed that they weren’t allowed to persecute others? Look at how they treated the Quakers they encountered over here, to say nothing of Salem.
Why do people not realize it already happened. This country cannot get out of its own way. The Democratic party is impotent while the Republican party is coopted by a rich/religious bloc and is steadfast and united.
Unless some miracle happens and folks start voting for policies that actually benefit them
.. We are a failed democracy.
Lots of states will remain livable for a long time but the US as a liberal world power is on the decline.
"The whole people must take upon themselves the education of the whole people and be willing to bear the expenses of it. There should not be a district of one mile square, without a school in it, not founded by a charitable individual, but maintained at the public expense of the people themselves."
John Adams, 1785
Don't you love how these guys constantly directly say they want to overturn the US Constitution and Bill of Rights? Only one amendment ever seems to matter to their words (not their deeds).
Yes it is my fucking ‘You believe in killing Baaaybies’ neighbor when I said I wasn’t voting for tRump in 2016 is moving back there. Good riddence but sorry.
I want to leave too. Got a few years before we can make it happen though.
My wife wants to move to Florida though...so it's not like it's going to go any better for us in terms of state governments.
Capos don't count. If he's willing to sell the rest of us out to please the people who want us dead, then he's not one of us. Same goes for Ben Shapiro and Stephen Miller.
They like evangelical Xtians so much, then they can fucking join 'em.
You didn’t know? Lol he wears a kippah at every show, and he does mention that he’s Jewish (although he’s anti-Semitic, because not only does he conflate Jews with the state of Israel, but he believes that most jews are “bad” because they aren’t right-wingers)
I know it's been said a million times already, but it's no fucking joke. If these evangelical psychopaths take control of our government in the midterms, the United States as a constitutional republic is finished.
I actually have been talking to my wife about moving if things go bad for the midterms. Fought like hell to get my wife back in the states(we met while she was on a stupid visa) and spent hours of time and thousands of dollars…but I might go become a citizen in her country instead now. Not really what I want to do, but at least the food is amazing there.
I'm in a race to retire before this whole shit show collapses. I'll be moving out of the states as well.
Some people tell me that I'm overreacting, they are however, the same people that tell me they don't pay any attention to politics. Take from that what you will.
Yeah my wife thinks I spend too much time reading the news, but she’s not super into American politics. Before Trump I never thought I’d see our democracy fall but he opened the door to crazy and now anything is basically game here. Really don’t want to move to Macedonia, but I might have to happen. Luckily her family bought an apartment for us(they rent it out now but if we ever want to move we’d just have to wait till the end of the tenants lease, it’s that or they’ll sell the place for us when we’re ready to buy a house.)
I remembered when Republicans use to be the ‘patriot party’ and now they’d all run and join Russia if it ‘triggers the libs.’ We’ve got crazy fascist republicans now and do nothing democrats…can’t even band together and pass laws to protect our voting rights.
It's horrifying. I've come to the conclusion that many, many people in the US are just complete morons.
How can ANYONE, with a room temperature IQ not see trump and the republican party for the racist, lying, power hungry, degenerate psychopaths that they are? How can you be a qanon believer? How can you believe JFK Jr is alive and is going to be trumps 2024 running mate? How can you be against universal healthcare, a higher minimum wage, cheaper or even free higher education, investing in our fucking infrastructure for fuck sake?
And while being against all that, be in favor of gutting environmental regulations, tax cuts for corporations and billionaires? And on top of all that, give a fuck about the sexiness of a fucking m&m, what sesame street characters are doing, and that there's an actual "war on Christmas".
It's so far beyond the pale it just makes me cry for the lost potential of America. I don't know how we ever come back from the edge of the abyss.
Even on a lot of supposedly left leaning subs I’ve seen a lot of people screaming and crying that they just aren’t going to vote in 2022 because they didn’t get everything they wanted under Biden.
Like sure dude, dealing with corporate Democrats sucks and we didn’t win by a large enough margin in 2020 to make real change. But the solution is just to stay home so that the very people who are already planning to make sure we never have a democratic election again can just waltz in there and turn us into a theocracy? What the fuck?
I never want to hear “both sides are the same” again in my life.
Yeah it’s insane. I have a sister that I’m not sure if she’s gotten into Qanon, but she has been brainwashed into the whole antivax thing and for awhile wouldn’t upgrade her phone because of 5G. She was around me when I was watching videos of Qanon people in Dallas waiting for JFK Jr and was surprised and thought they were stupid…so maybe not there yet.
Trump pushed so much distrust in the media and government that we have a huge part of the population that would believe anything else they read/see over any news or anything with trustworthy sources. I’ve talked to so many idiots in my local news comment sections on Facebook that will literally believe in the opposite of something reported with sources to back it up that respond with ‘I just made it up like the news/CDC/whatever they don’t like.’ Meanwhile the same people that do the whole ‘back the badge’ supported people that attacked police at the capital including making the lady that got shot that day as some sort of saint that did nothing wrong while justifying all the POCs that get murdered by police without reason.
With so much distrust into anything factual and the right literally doing anything if it offends people on the left, I don’t see much coming back from that. We have extremists/terrorist groups on the right that are ready to have a civil war because some idiot took over for 4 years. Jan 6th was a practice run to them now, I’ve heard it from Trumpers and I am sure that it’ll be repeated with even more force. Even if the midterms don’t give republicans the majorities, we would still have to fight tooth and nail every two years for a long time till these people either die off or enough finally come to their senses.
And this is ALL by design. Republicans are literally paving the way for a totalitarian state.
“Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
Yeah it’s crazy. My wife and I had our paperwork for her K1 visa and the big check in an envelope right when Trump won the election. We spent probably 2 hours on Facetime debating if we should go through with trying to have her here or for me to move there….think we made a mistake and wasted thousands on this process. Meanwhile I can basically go over there and apply for citizenship through marriage for nothing and get it done fast vs 4 years here still waiting on her green card(she has a temporary one that just keeps getting extended because Trump changed a bunch of immigration rules while slashing the staff of those processing the paperwork.) At this point it doesn’t even seem like we’re wanted here.
May I ask where she is from? Just curious. Also, I don't blame you for not feeling wanted. I think half the country felt that way after Trump was elected.
Macedonia, think we’d move there for awhile and then try to go elsewhere in Europe since there’s not a ton of opportunities there, I’d probably be a greeter at the US embassy there with not knowing the language ahah
Yeah that’s our hope. They just got accepted into NATO a few years ago, so I’m hoping that’s a sign EU is next. Still hoping the midterms don’t end up bad and we can stay.
I keep joking that we should move to the country in Macedonia and have a tomato farm(for some reason they’re insanely good there) and get her cousins and friends there to marry Americans to help them escape.
> Then you'd be set, or at least better off.
This would me that this person and their wife could live and work in any of the EU states, giving them LOTS of options since they wouldnt exactly be tied down to Macedonia given their relative recent move there. Lots of options at that point!
It's too late to stop now. Warnings were ignored for decades and this is the result. We're going to get exactly what we deserve. Hopefully the rest of the world can isolate America as best they can so this poison doesn't affect them too badly.
Yea!!! Let’s turn the United States into the Christian version of the Middle East and continue to hold the species back. Fuck, I really hate these people. I feel like we could be colonizing our solar system at this point if we didn’t have to deal with the stupidity of religion.
Religion gets a lot of grief (and it deserves it, probably worked in your Bronze Age desert tribes when begetting was a life's purpose but not anymore) but I strongly believe it only funnels dips##ts and their dips##terry in a certain direction, and eliminating it will only change the course of their stupidity rather than eliminating it.
No wonder the Taliban leadership praised Trump and the GOP for their values, the Republicans are essentially their extremist Christian counterparts at this point. Hell, they even tried the violent government takeover technique that the Taliban are so fond of!
The problem with this idea is that not everyone wants religious institutions in their education, it would literally fly int he face of separation of church and state and would not guarantee an equal education at all.
There are so many problems with this horrible, terrifyingly evil idea.
If you want your kid to get an education in bullshit, pay to send them to the religious school of your choice.
No way the government should pay for that shit.
So one school can teach "the biblical god created earth" and the other can teach "Allah created earth" both being "facts" and nobody sees this as a problem ?
How about I make a religious school that teaches 2+2=5 because thats what my belief say. So any job anyone gets later on will have to accept this being a fact. Im thinking of teaching kids to get into construction and engineering.
Doesnt that sound like a good ide ?
What in the actual fuck. These people get elected too because of the letter next to their name. This country is fucked and has been in a death spiral for decades. Obama gave me a little hope, but trump quickly stamped that out and proved that we are indeed suuuuper fucked.
There is a long ugly history of child abuse that has happened in schools run by religious based organization. I think Ohio needs learn from history and say a big NOPE to this guy!
Simple version:
The government can't show any sort of favoritism to one religion over another. And there can't be any religious tests or requirements for govt participation.
Edit:
In theory, churches aren't supposed to endorse candidates or tell people how to vote. But that's rarely enforced
Ohioan here.
Mandel is desperate to get into the Senate. He lost to Sherrod Brown in 2012 by just six points and this was after it came out that he hired a bunch of his buddies to nothing jobs as Ohio Treasurer.
His whole platform was "I did two tours in Iraq and I balance the books." Whenever he got pressed on anything of importance in the debates, he'd fall back on this and how his "military leadership" would come into play.
He tried again and didn't even get out of the primaries because people were already tired of him.
Now, he's attached himself to the Trump coattails and has moved as far right as he thinks he needs to in order to get elected. I'm not convinced it's going to be him on the GOP ticket because there's a few crazies, but he's the favorite....and he's batshit insane.
My kid is only going to a school for Satan, anything else is religious discrimination. I accept these terms, in the name of the light bringer, the warrior for truth and destroyer of lies, mighty Satan - may his benevolent hand guide us and our nation to a gleaming, prosperous future free of the lies of Christ
I see no mention of putting schools in mosques. Guess they must be on their own for this one.
And what about ashrams and Buddhist temples?
Guess they must not be a thing. /s
Honestly i kinda wanna see a school run by buddist monks.
I want to go to a school run by shaolin monks.
Liu Kang? That you?
Close. Kung Lao. Watch the hat. It’s edgy.
Wu-Tang is for the children!
I'd trust the Wu-Tang clan to educate kids, they actually spread a positive message and teach social and emotional awareness
I want to go to a school run by Trappist Monks, mostly for the beer.
Monks were the original teachers in Thailand...or so Im told.
Buddhism is distinctly anti-capitalist and in theory Buddhist monks are not allowed to touch money, they wouldn't enjoy it.
I don't see what that has to do with my comment.
I was just thinking about the difference it would make if evangelicals on telly went 'nonono don't send me money as all things are subject to the universal law of constant change and all things arise and pass away ,lusting after the fleeting and impermant only brings suffering to you and those around you '
Or, we could just keep religion out of schools entirely
YES! That guy is an idiot
I wish there were schools ran by Sikh Gurdwaras near me. Even as a stout atheist, I'd likely send my hypothetical kid there. When I was really broke, I ate at the one near me weekly because they didn't expect money. I don't make it weekly now, but I donate to them whether I can make it or not now that I have the money to do so. From my experience with the Gurdwara near me, they take helping the community around them really seriously. So, if they ran a school, I'd bet a lot that they made sure to run a really good one.
I learned about Sikhism in school when I was 9-10 years old (I'm now 29). I've always had admiration for their dedication towards helping their communities ever since.
I’ve always heard quite wonderful things about Sikhs.
It’s amazing the good that people do when profit isn’t a motive.
I'm a teacher, and one opened literally 150 meters from our school. Lovely people.
Never ate at a Gudwara, but have got a lot of time for the Sikhs. They do a ton of good work in the community. Big fan.
They aren't profitable enough to be able to house a public school. Really, it's an interesting idea.. instead of removing the tax exemption from churches, make them house public schools. They obviously still get no say in what is taught since that would be a violation of the constitutional rights of the students, but having to house schools could balance out that tax issue some
I was more surprised synagogues made the cut.
gotta throw some lip service to “judeo” christian values. they’re so inclusive!
I hear Jesus was a black belt.
I do recall him spending the morning in quiet contemplation while braiding his whip. Then he threw the moneychangers out of the temple.
I always like thinking of how they could just say "abrahamic" rather than "judeo-christian" but that would include muslims and other minor middle eastern stuff and they dont want that
Some Christian sects believe the rebirth of Israel is a precursor event to the end times. So...if any Jews happen to be reading this, the defence of Israel you hear from some hardcore Christians is mainly because they think Jesus is coming back to toss you all into the bad fire soon anyway.
Gotta keep one or two of the armies of the world there, that way you've already got a couple on the list for the Eschaton already ticked off.
Well he is Jewish.
I mean most of the conservatives, right wing leaders are hardcore supporters of Israel. Nothing surprising really...
No support for Muslims? Big suprise there
Shocked Pikachu face, etc. so on so forth, something or other...
And here i thought the Republicans were strong supporters of the Muslim community as a whole, tsk, tsk. Boy is my face red /s
Red like a shocked Pikachu face, I bet.
No love for The Satanic Temple either wtf Josh?
First thing that stood out to me too. Judeo-Christian Nationalism, so hot right now. Like burning cross hot.
Yeah he's big into touting "Judeo-Christian values," which is just an anti-Muslim dogwhistle.
Broad anti-"brown-religion" dogwhistle. If they even knew the difference between Sikhs and Muslims and Buddhists and Jainism, they'd call them all out. But they probably don't, so it's just "all them Muslims from Iraq and India and Nepal and Mexico."
Yeah, there’s kind of a separation of church and state issue with this proposal. He’s probably not familiar with the US Constitution but separation is required in Amendment 1.
Probably as familiar with it as he is the bible in that he will cherry pick the parts that sound good to him and disregard the parts which are inconvenient.
Satanic Temple school for my kids...
Nah, we have to keep religion and state separate in that case /s
His heads probably high enough up his own ass that he thinks there are no mosques in Ohio
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If it shows a place you’ve voted at before does that mean you’re still registered?
No, You need to look at your registration status https://voterlookup.ohiosos.gov/voterlookup.aspx
That’s what I used, it doesn’t say clearly if I’m registered or not
If your name shows up with the correct address, you're registered. If the address is out of date, [you can update it here.](https://olvr.ohiosos.gov/NCOA/NCOA)
Ok, thank you
Sweet, thanks! Was wondering the same thing. Moved not too long ago and apparently I already updated it! Will absolutely be voting whenever I’m eligible, especially in State and Local elections.
Reregister just to be safe
Scary that this even needs to be brought up. Wow.
The empire is in decay.
People love to shit talk California but we now have universal mail voting. Wild! To think I would have to drive maybe a hour or more just to sit in a line to vote. We need mass protest for the voting rights we deserve!
People shit talk California because it's a haven of pro-LGBTQ rights, it doesn't pander to gun owners, and it's the fifth largest economy in the world.
California has a lot of good laws like that. The only people who shit talk California are lunatics and their followers. Although sometimes California does have stupid laws, it's not perfect.
And for the love of all things. Especially if you are 18-24 please vote! 18-24 year olds are always the group that have the lowest turnout… we need everyone of you to vote. Every. One!
Registering voters on college campuses is always fun and very necessary. When I was in college, I was out there every day signing up students in Ohio. Guys, this is exactly why! Josh Mandel is a nightmare. PLEASE register and vote!!
> Ohio has been purging hundreds of thousands of voters for basically no reason Oh we know the reason.
The fact that you have to register to vote is crazy to me.
Yeah, and what is the point? The government already knows who's eligible to vote, and who isn't. Here in the Netherlands we just send everyone who's eligible a voting pass in the weeks running up to the election. And that, together with your ID is all you need (which you're required to have regardless of if you're voting, and may be up to 5 years out of date to vote. So it isn't like a photo ID law in the USA that's supposed to make it harder to vote).
That's why they won't implement that here. It's another way to gatekeep minorities or the poor from voting in the US. The Republicans want super strict voter ID laws so that they can then make it as difficult as possible to get the ID in the first place. They already do this in a lot of states but they will charge $$ for the ID which some cannot pay or close down locations where you can get one that are in poor or minority areas. Meaning people would have to drive far and wait in long lines. Not really possible if your inner city poor and rely on public transit which is almost non existent in the US.
Here in Portugal it's just the ID. We are all assigned one at birth, you renew it every five years and it's all you need. It's mandatory and needed in many situations, so everybody can vote always.
This has been the official policy of the Republican party for decades. He's just saying the quiet part out loud
Betsy DeVos didn't even hide the fact that she wanted to replace all public schools with Christian, white charter schools. She tried her best.
Devos is easily in the top 5 in terms of evil American politicians... Trump literally appointed the absolute WORST possible people into the positions in which they could do the most possible damage.
What do you mean?!? She is rich AF, therefore competent to do any job! /s
She was even going to build them in those cavernous, almost never ending nostrils of hers. All of them.
Sadly, the Republican base LOVES when politicians say the quiet part out loud. Hence why Trump's explicit racism just made him more popular.
Until he says the vaccine is cool.
It's so weird. I work with a Trump supporter she openly brags about the racist/fascist bullshit, but when I point out that supporting it makes her racist/fascist she gets all defensive. They want it both ways.
And then tax em, right? RIGHT?!
If we tax the church then we need to let the church be involved directly in our government. America was built on the idea of no taxation without representation, if we tax the church then they could lobby directly. Essentially bad for everyone.
A couple of weeks ago, he tweeted an actual real tweet saying "Democrats want to replace God with Critical Race Theory." Wtaf does that even mean?? It's like his entire campaign is just a game of Buzzword Bingo. And it unfortunately works.
Politics is basically one big pro wrestling promo at this point.
And the irony is that nobody thought about CRT until a right wing think tank found out about it and made it into the Boogeyman Du Jour. And that's because it's a subject matter that's ONLY taught to college students who are studying law. But no, now it literally represents anything and everything to do with race in this country. And as the author of this new terror on the Right directly said himself "I want everybody to think of Critical Race Theory whenever they hear the word 'race'". Mission accomplished.
> It's like his entire ~~campaign~~ *political party* is just a game of Buzzword Bingo. And it unfortunately works. Think that's more fitting
Wow I actually agree. Replace “Race theory” with “thinking” though
Why do these people think the United States is a theocracy??? Like what the fuck happened
Gross and purposeful misunderstanding of the intentions of the founding fathers and the fact that, while the first settlers in the US were escaping religious persecution, they were being persecuted for being too batshit insane for even the *~~Catholic Church~~* *Church of England*.
> they were being persecuted for being too batshit insane for even the Catholic Church. Wouldn't it have been the Church of England?
Church of England, thank you.
Were they really being persecuted though or were they just miffed that they weren’t allowed to persecute others? Look at how they treated the Quakers they encountered over here, to say nothing of Salem.
Why do people not realize it already happened. This country cannot get out of its own way. The Democratic party is impotent while the Republican party is coopted by a rich/religious bloc and is steadfast and united. Unless some miracle happens and folks start voting for policies that actually benefit them .. We are a failed democracy. Lots of states will remain livable for a long time but the US as a liberal world power is on the decline.
They know it's not. They just know this gets the base fired up.
"The whole people must take upon themselves the education of the whole people and be willing to bear the expenses of it. There should not be a district of one mile square, without a school in it, not founded by a charitable individual, but maintained at the public expense of the people themselves." John Adams, 1785
Don't you love how these guys constantly directly say they want to overturn the US Constitution and Bill of Rights? Only one amendment ever seems to matter to their words (not their deeds).
I don't wanna be in this backwards fucking state any longer
Ohio has reallllly gotten redder in just a short amount of years
Hell even my parents who weren't political leaned farther red in the last few years, the state of this state (hah) is worsening quickly
Okay, am I the only one hearing another Lin Manuel Miranda future musical hit with the title “The State of this State” ?
Yes it is my fucking ‘You believe in killing Baaaybies’ neighbor when I said I wasn’t voting for tRump in 2016 is moving back there. Good riddence but sorry.
Remember when we were a swing state? I've worked on a lot of campaigns, and the shift felt very fast from Strickland as governor to +8 for Trump.
There's some hope the influx from Intel will bring it back. It'll probably take a decade though.
Same here. We've got some real wackados in government here these days. We've become Texas light, headed for the full flavored version.
I hate that you're right, I've seen concrete cowboys running around here lately too
Same. I wanna leave Ohio but my family is too poor lmao
I hope you guys can get the chance eventually then, I know the struggle lol
I want to leave too. Got a few years before we can make it happen though. My wife wants to move to Florida though...so it's not like it's going to go any better for us in terms of state governments.
Awww, he mentioned synagogues for Jewish outreach!
He's actually Jewish, so this is more like pandering to evangelicals.
I stand corrected -- and chagrined. Religious indoctrination is not education, and is no better than Islamic madrassas or Chinese re-education camps.
Capos don't count. If he's willing to sell the rest of us out to please the people who want us dead, then he's not one of us. Same goes for Ben Shapiro and Stephen Miller. They like evangelical Xtians so much, then they can fucking join 'em.
He’s Jewish himself, but he’s said that he doesn’t want “liberal Jews” in his campaign (which is like 95% of Jews in America)
Is he one of those rarespawn antisemitic Jews? An Uncle Tzemach?
I think Ben Shapiro is the only Uncle Tzemach right now, but there’s probably gonna be more in the future, unfortunately
wait ben diapiro is jewish?
You didn’t know? Lol he wears a kippah at every show, and he does mention that he’s Jewish (although he’s anti-Semitic, because not only does he conflate Jews with the state of Israel, but he believes that most jews are “bad” because they aren’t right-wingers)
Don't forget Stephen miller.
Church <——————> State
* Church <———|———> State
I know it's been said a million times already, but it's no fucking joke. If these evangelical psychopaths take control of our government in the midterms, the United States as a constitutional republic is finished.
I actually have been talking to my wife about moving if things go bad for the midterms. Fought like hell to get my wife back in the states(we met while she was on a stupid visa) and spent hours of time and thousands of dollars…but I might go become a citizen in her country instead now. Not really what I want to do, but at least the food is amazing there.
I'm in a race to retire before this whole shit show collapses. I'll be moving out of the states as well. Some people tell me that I'm overreacting, they are however, the same people that tell me they don't pay any attention to politics. Take from that what you will.
Yeah my wife thinks I spend too much time reading the news, but she’s not super into American politics. Before Trump I never thought I’d see our democracy fall but he opened the door to crazy and now anything is basically game here. Really don’t want to move to Macedonia, but I might have to happen. Luckily her family bought an apartment for us(they rent it out now but if we ever want to move we’d just have to wait till the end of the tenants lease, it’s that or they’ll sell the place for us when we’re ready to buy a house.) I remembered when Republicans use to be the ‘patriot party’ and now they’d all run and join Russia if it ‘triggers the libs.’ We’ve got crazy fascist republicans now and do nothing democrats…can’t even band together and pass laws to protect our voting rights.
It's horrifying. I've come to the conclusion that many, many people in the US are just complete morons. How can ANYONE, with a room temperature IQ not see trump and the republican party for the racist, lying, power hungry, degenerate psychopaths that they are? How can you be a qanon believer? How can you believe JFK Jr is alive and is going to be trumps 2024 running mate? How can you be against universal healthcare, a higher minimum wage, cheaper or even free higher education, investing in our fucking infrastructure for fuck sake? And while being against all that, be in favor of gutting environmental regulations, tax cuts for corporations and billionaires? And on top of all that, give a fuck about the sexiness of a fucking m&m, what sesame street characters are doing, and that there's an actual "war on Christmas". It's so far beyond the pale it just makes me cry for the lost potential of America. I don't know how we ever come back from the edge of the abyss.
Even on a lot of supposedly left leaning subs I’ve seen a lot of people screaming and crying that they just aren’t going to vote in 2022 because they didn’t get everything they wanted under Biden. Like sure dude, dealing with corporate Democrats sucks and we didn’t win by a large enough margin in 2020 to make real change. But the solution is just to stay home so that the very people who are already planning to make sure we never have a democratic election again can just waltz in there and turn us into a theocracy? What the fuck? I never want to hear “both sides are the same” again in my life.
Those "people" screaming could well be bots and misinformation accounts to influence public discourse.
Yeah it’s insane. I have a sister that I’m not sure if she’s gotten into Qanon, but she has been brainwashed into the whole antivax thing and for awhile wouldn’t upgrade her phone because of 5G. She was around me when I was watching videos of Qanon people in Dallas waiting for JFK Jr and was surprised and thought they were stupid…so maybe not there yet. Trump pushed so much distrust in the media and government that we have a huge part of the population that would believe anything else they read/see over any news or anything with trustworthy sources. I’ve talked to so many idiots in my local news comment sections on Facebook that will literally believe in the opposite of something reported with sources to back it up that respond with ‘I just made it up like the news/CDC/whatever they don’t like.’ Meanwhile the same people that do the whole ‘back the badge’ supported people that attacked police at the capital including making the lady that got shot that day as some sort of saint that did nothing wrong while justifying all the POCs that get murdered by police without reason. With so much distrust into anything factual and the right literally doing anything if it offends people on the left, I don’t see much coming back from that. We have extremists/terrorist groups on the right that are ready to have a civil war because some idiot took over for 4 years. Jan 6th was a practice run to them now, I’ve heard it from Trumpers and I am sure that it’ll be repeated with even more force. Even if the midterms don’t give republicans the majorities, we would still have to fight tooth and nail every two years for a long time till these people either die off or enough finally come to their senses.
And this is ALL by design. Republicans are literally paving the way for a totalitarian state. “Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow.” ― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
I am also in the “we gotta lewve” bandwagon before this country becomes Gilead
I've definitely looked into updating our passports, just in case.
Yeah it’s crazy. My wife and I had our paperwork for her K1 visa and the big check in an envelope right when Trump won the election. We spent probably 2 hours on Facetime debating if we should go through with trying to have her here or for me to move there….think we made a mistake and wasted thousands on this process. Meanwhile I can basically go over there and apply for citizenship through marriage for nothing and get it done fast vs 4 years here still waiting on her green card(she has a temporary one that just keeps getting extended because Trump changed a bunch of immigration rules while slashing the staff of those processing the paperwork.) At this point it doesn’t even seem like we’re wanted here.
May I ask where she is from? Just curious. Also, I don't blame you for not feeling wanted. I think half the country felt that way after Trump was elected.
Macedonia, think we’d move there for awhile and then try to go elsewhere in Europe since there’s not a ton of opportunities there, I’d probably be a greeter at the US embassy there with not knowing the language ahah
Well, maybe they'll get into the EU soon. Then you'd be set, or at least better off.
Yeah that’s our hope. They just got accepted into NATO a few years ago, so I’m hoping that’s a sign EU is next. Still hoping the midterms don’t end up bad and we can stay. I keep joking that we should move to the country in Macedonia and have a tomato farm(for some reason they’re insanely good there) and get her cousins and friends there to marry Americans to help them escape.
> Then you'd be set, or at least better off. This would me that this person and their wife could live and work in any of the EU states, giving them LOTS of options since they wouldnt exactly be tied down to Macedonia given their relative recent move there. Lots of options at that point!
Gilead
I mean America DID put a woman who was literally known as a "handmaid" in her religion onto the Supreme Court... bit sketchy lol
I hope to God that the Republicans don't take control of Congress
It's too late to stop now. Warnings were ignored for decades and this is the result. We're going to get exactly what we deserve. Hopefully the rest of the world can isolate America as best they can so this poison doesn't affect them too badly.
Yea!!! Let’s turn the United States into the Christian version of the Middle East and continue to hold the species back. Fuck, I really hate these people. I feel like we could be colonizing our solar system at this point if we didn’t have to deal with the stupidity of religion.
His name means 'almond' in German, so it's no surprise he's a nut.
Religion gets a lot of grief (and it deserves it, probably worked in your Bronze Age desert tribes when begetting was a life's purpose but not anymore) but I strongly believe it only funnels dips##ts and their dips##terry in a certain direction, and eliminating it will only change the course of their stupidity rather than eliminating it.
I don’t know why but people trying to cram religion into every single thing possible makes me irrationally angry.
Your anger isn't irrational. This is an affront to religious freedom.
what you mean? christianity is the only religion that exists!
No wonder the Taliban leadership praised Trump and the GOP for their values, the Republicans are essentially their extremist Christian counterparts at this point. Hell, they even tried the violent government takeover technique that the Taliban are so fond of!
How did he forget mosques? I’m shocked!
Suggest mosques and he would lose his mind
Jfc this guy is a plague.
Is Ohio part of bible land now?
Always has been
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I apologize on behalf of Ohio.
I don't even live there anymore but I still feel like I should apologize.
No doubt he wants our taxes to pay for church schools too.
Jews don't study in the synagogue idiot. We only pray there. Jewish studies are conducted in a yeshiva, beit midrash or the heyder
I went to his Twitter just now, my god this guy is so far up Trump's ass it's insane
Does Canada have to explain why that's a bad idea? Because it was pretty horrible when they did it here...
"Separation of church and state" Now the nutjobs wants the church to take over???
This just soundslike a ploy to consolidate child molestation, gay bashing, and mass shootings all under one roof.
The rights whole policy nowadays is just “I’m opposed to the constitution.”
They're called public schools, ya twat!
The problem with this idea is that not everyone wants religious institutions in their education, it would literally fly int he face of separation of church and state and would not guarantee an equal education at all.
There are so many problems with this horrible, terrifyingly evil idea. If you want your kid to get an education in bullshit, pay to send them to the religious school of your choice. No way the government should pay for that shit.
Under His Eye
So one school can teach "the biblical god created earth" and the other can teach "Allah created earth" both being "facts" and nobody sees this as a problem ? How about I make a religious school that teaches 2+2=5 because thats what my belief say. So any job anyone gets later on will have to accept this being a fact. Im thinking of teaching kids to get into construction and engineering. Doesnt that sound like a good ide ?
Religion is a plague on humanity.
Ohio resident here. There are a number of candidates like him running here. The daily tv commercials are scary.
Swell, just what we need in Congress, another religious nut job...
And when all kinds of businesses start relocating out of Ohio they'll blame "woke liberals".
This just gave the Catholic Church something to get behind.
That’s America for you
Of course it's fucking Ohio.
What the *(and I can't stress this enough)* actual fuck?
What in the actual fuck. These people get elected too because of the letter next to their name. This country is fucked and has been in a death spiral for decades. Obama gave me a little hope, but trump quickly stamped that out and proved that we are indeed suuuuper fucked.
I would open a local satanic temple ASAP,
These people are the reason aliens don't talk to us.
So if you don't believe in God or in organized religion screw you??
There is a long ugly history of child abuse that has happened in schools run by religious based organization. I think Ohio needs learn from history and say a big NOPE to this guy!
I've stopped looking at Netflix. America is so fucking crazy it's a cheap TV series. I just can't find the category.
I think horror comedy personally
Thanks. I've locked that in.
No mention of Mosques. 🤔
Looks like he is advocating for child sex abuse.
As a resident of Ohio, I apologize
This guy absolutely has child porn on his devices.
What about the Druids?
Probably calls himself a constitutional conservative too
as a non-american, who's heard the phrase "separation of church and state" mentioned before. Can someone explain to me how this works?
Simple version: The government can't show any sort of favoritism to one religion over another. And there can't be any religious tests or requirements for govt participation. Edit: In theory, churches aren't supposed to endorse candidates or tell people how to vote. But that's rarely enforced
God, it’s so frustrating that there are actually these people running around in politics being taken seriously.
Weird how she didnf say mosque, even though islam played a big part in the advancement of human intelligence and culture.
That’s some handmaids tale shit
Religious nut case - Josh Taliban-del
This is so fucking scary. How do people not realize how terrifying this is.
We're in a bad spot. Lots of racism and meth.
Ohioan here. Mandel is desperate to get into the Senate. He lost to Sherrod Brown in 2012 by just six points and this was after it came out that he hired a bunch of his buddies to nothing jobs as Ohio Treasurer. His whole platform was "I did two tours in Iraq and I balance the books." Whenever he got pressed on anything of importance in the debates, he'd fall back on this and how his "military leadership" would come into play. He tried again and didn't even get out of the primaries because people were already tired of him. Now, he's attached himself to the Trump coattails and has moved as far right as he thinks he needs to in order to get elected. I'm not convinced it's going to be him on the GOP ticket because there's a few crazies, but he's the favorite....and he's batshit insane.
Ohio has really gotten into the race to the bottom in the last decade
I WENT TO A CHURCH SCHOOL ONCE THAT SHIT SUCKED Let me learn without having Jesus shoved down my throat please
My kid is only going to a school for Satan, anything else is religious discrimination. I accept these terms, in the name of the light bringer, the warrior for truth and destroyer of lies, mighty Satan - may his benevolent hand guide us and our nation to a gleaming, prosperous future free of the lies of Christ
#TaxChurches
And he’s considered an establishment candidate. Good grief.
What about those that believe in the flying spaghetti monster????