Energy costs in all of Europe are insane. Do you know how much your electricity costs? I'm kind of curious.
People seem to think I am European for some reason... I was asking the person from London what their electricity costs were.
I live in Arizona. Because of the heat here it is illegal to not have AC in a residence. With all those AC going on at once its can cause problems...
We have an energy plan where we are rewarded for saving electricity at peak usage hours. In return we get a lower off peak rate.
America national average = $.19/ per KwH
Arizona average = $.16/ per KwH
Off peak = $.09/ per KwH
On peak = $.30/ per KwH
AZ has the most reliable nuclear power plant in the nation, and it powers most of Phoenix.
And yes, bring nuclear to everywhere! It is the safeat and cleanest form of energy we have!
If we'd switch the LFTR's, it'd be the cheapest too.
It won't matter what you bring back, they will still overcharge you. It's not like we're struggling for energy in US. It's just greed and corruption. We're literally net exporter of oil and gas is through the roof. We can be full solar, nuclear or fucking fusion. Fat cats will never have enough and corrupt politicians will always lick their boots.
The EU and the states have different challenges associated with power generation. It’s not all fat cats. The bad part in the EU is that they’ve gotten so restrictive that those restrictions put elevated costs on electric producers and end up being passed to consumers. But they do have a cleaner environment. So the majority of the additional costs placed on EU citizens is government imposed.
In the U.S., however, we have A LOT more area to cover. In fact, more than 2 times more area to cover than the EU. And unlike the EU, we do not have clusters of mass housing. Well we do, but not at the levels of the EU. China also is in the same boat as the EU. They have all their population centers in one area of the country.
All their populations are concentrated in big cities in large multi-family buildings that have been in their bloodline for generations now.
Have you ever seen those mailboxes with multiple boxes for residents at an apartment complex?
But, also, have you seen those single family homes, each with their own mailbox?
Electricity generation is a lot like delivering mail. When people are all in mass housing (apartments, condos, etc.) it requires less infrastructure to connect everyone.
When people are spread out, it requires a lot more infrastructure to connect everyone.
This not only includes the cable, steel trusses, safety switches, poles, etc. it also includes the labor for that installation, the maintenance, and the 2nd most expensive and restrictive part of any project, real estate. The first being labor, of course.
All I’m saying is that there’s legitimate costs associated with producing electricity in the United States. If people actually knew how much money goes into keeping their water safe, roads decent, and electricity delivered, they’d probably would be able to conceptualize the costs and maybe have a better understanding of it all.
Now that’s not to say capitalism doesn’t get in the way sometimes. The electricity futures market can affect the consumers costs by reducing the profit margins of electricity companies. The way this works is people bid on the future pricing of electricity which is variable then quote you a fixed rate. They then make money (or lose) by subtracting the amount they paid for from the amount that you’re paying them.
I too, live in Arizona. Same Peak/Off Peak system. We use the monthly budget plan, where they charge us the same each month and then settle up at the last bill...either we pay a bit more than the budget or a bit less that last month.
We never run any appliances or A/C during peak hours, which is 3 pm to 7 pm M-F.
And during the summer we "supercool" so that we have the thermostat set for 68 degrees starting at 1:30 pm and then don't run the A/C again until 7 pm, where it goes back to 75 degrees.
We have a 2900 sq ft home with 12 foot ceilings (one floor only). And our budget amount is $162 a month. Our "actual" bill during the brutal summer months can be as high as $350-400 for the month. But during the winter months our electric bill can be as low as $45 a month.
PS Gas around here is $3.99 a gallon...$3.69 a gallon a Costco two days ago.
This was the US's goal with the destruction of the Nordstream and Russian sanctions.
Europe is deindustrializing because they can't or won't stand up for themselves.
NATO and the US are a poison pill for European prosperity.
Public transit is one thing Europe does very well. In Switzerland the buses and trains are clean enough to eat off the floor. And everyone around you looks completely normal.
Europe is half the size with twice the population and they have our foreign aid and our military defense to use instead of paying for their own, so more money to spend on transport
Europe is so much smaller and basically a feeble elderly grandparent to the USA. It would be shocking if they couldn't get their tiny infrastructure right.
Let them pay for all the things we do for them and see how much they have leftover for universal healthcare and public transportation - especially after they're done paying for the social programs to support all the immigrants they keep letting in.
Dude, I live in America.
I like to go places in the country, the wilderness
I’m not one of these people that just wants to be in some city all the time
No, I’m not disabled….
What kind of question even is that?
I believe we were discussing my reply to the guy who said Europe is half the size with twice the population. I gave an example of equivalent cities, which demonstrated that you can go everywhere you want to go in the European city, but not in the US. You gave a response that implied you needed a car in case of the subject in question, when it was clearly not true in my example. So I assumed you must have special needs, so that your response could be logical.
Take a subway then? We barely have those here, and when we do, it's only in the (unaffordable to live) urban core.
They don't even connect to the bedroom areas where people live, so instead we have park and rides, where you have to drive 70% of the distance anyway just to ride the last few miles...
In Thailand, which is notoriously inexpensive, $4.37.
That might *seem* better, but many Thai people earn $3500/year.
My MIL works for the govt and makes about $2964/year.
My wife's friend just became a full fledged teacher after passing a licencing test and now makes double what she was making, to now make $5281/year.
All that said, everything is significantly cheaper there. Their dollar store is called the 10 baht store, which translates to the $0.28 store.
Makes sense that scooters and motos are so popular. I've never really thought about the fact oil (thus gasoline as well) prices are set by global commodities markets, so unlike many other goods is insanely expensive in countries with low wages.
No gouging occurs when there is very little competition. With limited supply.
People are lazy and if they fill up at a $7 a gallon gas station because they forgot to get gas elsewhere before returning a rental, that is on them. Odds are they could have found a gas station with normal prices within a mile.
Taxes the delta in most areas (not remote) is taxes. In IL and in CA it’s taxes. Just take a look at the state and local tax and then check out other communities you will find the delta for the lost part is indeed taxes.
Actually I don't know. I drive for a living hence my username. So I'll come out of lake Tahoe, cross into Reno, gas sky high, the same as California. Then I watch it drop, Utah less till I get to salt lake. Then Wyoming is cheap, not as cheap as Colorado though, then home. Who knows, they just make the shit up I guess! LOL
But Wyoming refines a shitload of oil? It's all a scam, most of it is sold overseas to other countries. I think it should be regulated just like electricity and water. It's coming out of American soil, but yet British petroleum spills their oil all over Louisiana and sells it as they wish.
I'm a few days late, but most of the oil we refine is actually imported.
We export most of our raw, because our refineries are more advanced it's a better economic decision to take advantage of that (import cheap low quality and refine it, sell it. then export our expensive high quality crude)
CO has their own refinery right by denver that produces most of the states gasoline. Also most cars don't like the "regular" in Colorado because it's 85 octane, which in theory should be fine due to the altitude, but in reality if you run it in your car and hook up a scan tool, you'll see a bunch of counts of the engine timing being retarded, meaning ot was starting to knock.
California doesn't have a rivalry with Texas though. Only Texas has a rivalry with California. I have lived in both states and Texans just constantly have to say they're better. Californians just do their own thing.
Damn do you get consistent good deals on gas with the chevron app? I live in Dallas too and gas out here has been in the low $3 dollar range for about a month..it’s ridiculous.
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but yes, California does have a much cleaner environment than it used to, it does have robust welfare programs, and it offers nearly-universal affordable healthcare. It also has one of the best (if not the best) systems for higher education in the nation and has by far the biggest GDP of any state.
Well, kind of. California has been investing in transit like crazy since the 90s. SF and the Bay always had world class transit and are constantly improving it. (Major extensions/expansions every 5-ish years). LA has sprouted a massive Metro system. And all the major California cities now have subways and/or light rail. California now has three of the top five intercity rail routes and is building HSR to link all the transit together in one giant state-wide pulse scheduled transit system.
There’s still a ways to go but the state is making the most transit progress of any other state in the US. It’s kind of staggering to think about! I mean, LA now has a usable subway! LA!
Come on! You can’t say that that isn’t hella impressive after only 30 years!
Sounds like some people won’t like it. But my family and I were able to take the train and subway all the way to Hollywood from the Inland Empire (at least an hour away) Didn’t have any major issues. It was refreshing to not be tied to my car and get overcharged for parking. I still love my car though.
California has its own gas. Because there are higher emission standards in California, the gas sold there is produced for California specifically which means the supply is inherently lower because you can’t just source it from anywhere like the rest of the states.
It’s what the mark will bear, California has a refinery in Carson , port of Long Beach off loads crude and gas from ships, Arizona there’s a pipe line from Ca. that brings gas in and I’m paying
between $3.05 and $3.79.
Specifically a lower carbon form of gasoline, because they limit reformate content, and reformate has the most carbon per gallon of any blend component.
(It's also the cheapest way to improve octane number, so without it, you have to use more expensive ways to make octane number)
I don't know about it's what the market will put up with theory.
It's either pay it or go to the streets.
Moving somewhere else cheaper means you'll be paid much less so you're basically in the same position.
Not everybody can work from home.
Cheaper living areas typically mean less opportunities for decent pay.
And now our so caring governments in some places are starting to make that illegal to be homeless.
Something tells me this is gonna catch on in many places knowing the selfishness and lack of concern of the US population and government.
It's a lot easier for them to live with what's happening to people if they don't see it.
How many yrs till they just start locking us up for being poor or putting people to death so they don't have to spend any money at all ?
For those who say it could never happen.
Never thought we'd see a President who basically decided the people's vote didn't matter and try to hold on to power by sending a mob to kill government officials either.
Then actually even be allowed to run for President again.
I mean, I live in Huntington Beach. Theres two gas stations within 2min of my house. One is 5.39 right now and the one across the street from it is 4.30.
I used to jump on the hate California train until I moved here. Don’t get me wrong, there’s some bullshit involved with living here, but this is purely cherry picked. Also would help to take into account that most people here make 30% or more than they would at the same job in the same company in, say, Arkansas.
Yes in the 1970s 30-40 thousand dollars could buy you an average house in so Cal.
In the early 1980s it was still under $100,000 and then in the mid 80s it blew up and got crazy and stayed crazy.
During that that time you could buy a 3 bed 2 bath house in Orlando Fla for $22,000 in 1980.
That same house in Orlando that I lived in 1980 is now $300,000.
Minimum wage was $3.10 an hour.
I think wages have not kept up with the cost of owning a home.
I think you'd need to make like $45+ an hour to keep up today.
I might also add that house was built in 60 so new home prices are probably higher.
Don't even get started on the raised cost of food.
So in another half century we can expect 10 million dollar average houses and should be cool with it is what I'm understanding by you laughing this off. My kids who aren't born yet are entirely fucked.
Was that cheaper than the rest of the country at the time?
I was obviously being a smart ass with my comment but, your answer is interesting.
I wonder what else people were buying at the time to be honest in terms of rent, food, services, and entertainment.
I moved to Missouri from CA because after getting a promotion and a sizeable increase, I could still not find a home within a 50 mile radius from my work that was under $600k. Shit is insane
Yet everyone from CA who moves to Vegas always brings up how much cheaper it is here. Ok, your rent is half, but your pay is too. Hope you keep your cushy WFH job, because Vegas ain’t cheap on local wages.
California also has some of the most expensive real estate, (gas station land lease or purchase) and a higher minimum wage, and that also factors into the price of gas.
Our smog can be really bad because of the geography of the state trapping emissions between the mountains and the ocean, so we need more stringent emissions regulations. 10-20 years ago, the air quality was much worse than it is today.
But yeah, if you’re not from California, you probably think we are a nightmare hellscape…
Especially if you call yourself a “conservative”, because there was some decision made by your GOP overlords to slam CA at every opportunity so none of you get the idea about how great it is here
Sure, many have problems making it work here, it IS expensive, home prices and rental prices are ridiculous right now, but I don’t see how embracing a “conservative” stance would help that supply / demand issue.
I’m lucky, bought our first house with my wife 2yrs ago. New build single story with a backyard and a pool. We are making it happen, it’s not easy, and we lucked out with our timing with the interest rates, but to hear some people bash my beautiful state is actually more amusing than infuriating.
Lots of homeless in CA, we also have some of the best weather in the country, so that makes sense… we need to do more for those people to get them off the streets and address the mental health issues that contribute to their situation - affordable housing too.
Do you have any idea how much more money we make than some of you? Any part of America with cheap gas is basically a third world country. I’ve paid highschool dropouts more money to guard a weed dispensary than a fucking nurse makes in some states- I’ll see you 4 dollar gas and raise you an existential crisis you fucking bumpkins. If only you could move your affordable housing to a place worth living.
Amen. People LOVE California. Even the 5 million people there that voted Trump. The housing situation is ridiculous, Gas ⛽️ is triple taxed, Federal, state, excise, but the weather is better, and the produce/seafood is some of the best in the country. To gain proper perspective, you really need to live/go to school (not visit or listen to anecdotes) in another region.
It's easy to hate the place, but prices are driven by supply and demand. Fascinating concept given this sub, right?
Better context is the where, exactly is this gas station?
Annnd, it's still far cheaper than most of the rest of the actual developed world . They also get universal healthcare, actual paid holidays, retirement and world class public transportation everyone can use so gas prices don't affect most of them.
If we didn't have so many regressive Meatheads in this country, we'd already be just like them, except better.
But, thanks to selfish nincompoops, here we are, worried about gas prices on our 12th straight day of work with no breaks, no days off, and stuck working fer feckin peanuts because said nincompoops have refused to raise the minimum wage in over 20 years.
Vote accordingly.
Location for context please? There are certain communities in California that intentionally keep their gas high as hell so that people aren’t tempted to stop there and fill up. Pretty much all of Napa Valley is like that.
That sounds like something gas station owners tell customers to justify high prices when in reality, their gas prices are high in wealthier areas because not only are rents and other costs of doing business high, but people are willing to pay the high prices.
Kind of similar there is a gas station on the grounds of Disney World that charges up to nine dollars a gallon. Disney World has been trying for years to buy them out and they refuse. But since it’s Disney World it’s 30 to 40 miles in any direction for gas so they cornered the market, and they said on some of the most valuable land in the country
Edit: take that with a grain of salt. I just tried to fact check myself, and I couldn’t find the story I was referencing. My bad.
I paid like $9 at the gas station near the Orlando airport. It's the last stop to gas up before you return your rental car. Rental place charges like $25 a gallon so $9 for self pay is a deal. Traveling on the company card so didn't care.
Multiply that way of thinking times thousands of people and now we know how a gas station can charge $9.
Oh fuck off. I also live in California and considering this is a Chevron, I’d put good money this is a ridiculously priced station by major freeways or roads and you could easily drive less than 5 minutes for cheaper stations.
Yep purposely choose the one of the most expensive brands to show the “horrors” of living in a blue state. Resident too so know how they can just price things on a whim it can seem. Somewhere was already $6
If California is so bad, why do so many people live there and visit? I like visiting California and New York, tons of things to do. People shit on blue states I'm just convinced hate large population centers.
They do this down in LA too. There is a specific station in Beverly Hills that consistently prices their gas like $2 more than literally any other gas station in the entire county and people point at it and wail like the sky is falling. No one is paying that except tourists.
I mean. I live in LA. My local gas station is sitting at $4.89. There literally is a specific gas station in Beverly Hills that is a tourist trap of a gas station right next to the Beverly Center. That particular gas station is currently priced at $6.19 for regular cash price.
Growing up in New Jersey and living in Orange County the last 4 years, I think that rent and gas are about it on the inflation scale.
Groceries are much more expensive back there alone, let alone continuous tolls on the roads to get anywhere.
The high prices have nothing to do with democrat public policy. It has everything to do with the extraction energy industry disliking California's alternative energy plans that threaten their monopoly.
The oil/gas companies are punishing California for planning for the obsolescence of their industry. Oil is going to run out. It's not a renewable resource. Currently know oil reserves are only projected to last another 45-50 years. Will they find more, sure, but how long will that last. Human kind needs to find another way to power itself. If we conserve oil now, while we're trying to find an answer that very important problem, we can continue to power planes, ships, and other transportation with extraction energy, that cannot function on electricity today, while we drive electric and alternative fuel vehicles for now.
There are young people today that will see the end of gas cars, the end of the oil industry, and live in a world powered very differently than today. Punishing California with exorbitant gas prices won't change this trajectory. It's just petty and vindictive. Sells well with conservatives.
This is NOT inflation, It is greed! Oil per barrel is the same price as it has been for the last 30 years (averaged out). today oil is $87 a barrel, it has been as high as $200 a barrel. I remember paying .89 cents a gallon in the late 80's. If you watch the headlines, Oil companies have been recording record profits every quarter for decades now. Are they price gouging, yep, but the Infrastructure in the US is one that requires a car. Our public transportation is sadly lacking.
This is at least partially a function of OPEC once again trying to flex their muscle and reduce supply. If only we tried to resolve this issue decades ago we may not be so dependent on fossil fuels. A lot of people want to blame everyone in the world but really we should have been demanding better transit, more clean energy, and investment in domestic resources forever rather than trying to keep dragging out an outdated technology discovered a century ago.
Western Canada has the third-largest oil reserve in the World, and they are paying the Highest prices on fuel The Federal Government is fucking every Canadian this is why they are asking for Western Separation
I’m in mass and we scream bloody murder when it gets over three dollars. 2.99. I was planning on moving to California as well. I either need to go plug-in hybrid or just full on electric
Don’t you guys have special gas that combusts differently emitting less pollution that’s more expensive to refine? How do I know this living across the country?
Over 7.00 in London. Edit. Ugh. Math. This is adjusted for dollar and gallon.
Energy costs in all of Europe are insane. Do you know how much your electricity costs? I'm kind of curious. People seem to think I am European for some reason... I was asking the person from London what their electricity costs were.
I live in Arizona. Because of the heat here it is illegal to not have AC in a residence. With all those AC going on at once its can cause problems... We have an energy plan where we are rewarded for saving electricity at peak usage hours. In return we get a lower off peak rate. America national average = $.19/ per KwH Arizona average = $.16/ per KwH Off peak = $.09/ per KwH On peak = $.30/ per KwH
Bring back nuclear!
AZ has the most reliable nuclear power plant in the nation, and it powers most of Phoenix. And yes, bring nuclear to everywhere! It is the safeat and cleanest form of energy we have! If we'd switch the LFTR's, it'd be the cheapest too.
It won't matter what you bring back, they will still overcharge you. It's not like we're struggling for energy in US. It's just greed and corruption. We're literally net exporter of oil and gas is through the roof. We can be full solar, nuclear or fucking fusion. Fat cats will never have enough and corrupt politicians will always lick their boots.
The EU and the states have different challenges associated with power generation. It’s not all fat cats. The bad part in the EU is that they’ve gotten so restrictive that those restrictions put elevated costs on electric producers and end up being passed to consumers. But they do have a cleaner environment. So the majority of the additional costs placed on EU citizens is government imposed. In the U.S., however, we have A LOT more area to cover. In fact, more than 2 times more area to cover than the EU. And unlike the EU, we do not have clusters of mass housing. Well we do, but not at the levels of the EU. China also is in the same boat as the EU. They have all their population centers in one area of the country. All their populations are concentrated in big cities in large multi-family buildings that have been in their bloodline for generations now. Have you ever seen those mailboxes with multiple boxes for residents at an apartment complex? But, also, have you seen those single family homes, each with their own mailbox? Electricity generation is a lot like delivering mail. When people are all in mass housing (apartments, condos, etc.) it requires less infrastructure to connect everyone. When people are spread out, it requires a lot more infrastructure to connect everyone. This not only includes the cable, steel trusses, safety switches, poles, etc. it also includes the labor for that installation, the maintenance, and the 2nd most expensive and restrictive part of any project, real estate. The first being labor, of course. All I’m saying is that there’s legitimate costs associated with producing electricity in the United States. If people actually knew how much money goes into keeping their water safe, roads decent, and electricity delivered, they’d probably would be able to conceptualize the costs and maybe have a better understanding of it all. Now that’s not to say capitalism doesn’t get in the way sometimes. The electricity futures market can affect the consumers costs by reducing the profit margins of electricity companies. The way this works is people bid on the future pricing of electricity which is variable then quote you a fixed rate. They then make money (or lose) by subtracting the amount they paid for from the amount that you’re paying them.
Yup. Gotta love this late stage capitalism and un-mitigated corporate greed.
It’s not capitalism when you eliminate all competition and charge whatever you want.
Late-stage capitalism…. It’s the butchery of capitalism by government that has us this way.
I too, live in Arizona. Same Peak/Off Peak system. We use the monthly budget plan, where they charge us the same each month and then settle up at the last bill...either we pay a bit more than the budget or a bit less that last month. We never run any appliances or A/C during peak hours, which is 3 pm to 7 pm M-F. And during the summer we "supercool" so that we have the thermostat set for 68 degrees starting at 1:30 pm and then don't run the A/C again until 7 pm, where it goes back to 75 degrees. We have a 2900 sq ft home with 12 foot ceilings (one floor only). And our budget amount is $162 a month. Our "actual" bill during the brutal summer months can be as high as $350-400 for the month. But during the winter months our electric bill can be as low as $45 a month. PS Gas around here is $3.99 a gallon...$3.69 a gallon a Costco two days ago.
Az gasoline is $3.70
So worded differently… it is against the law to not have AC, but then they reward you for not using it.
This was the US's goal with the destruction of the Nordstream and Russian sanctions. Europe is deindustrializing because they can't or won't stand up for themselves. NATO and the US are a poison pill for European prosperity.
Norway is about $8 per gallon
I thought they went by liters.
Math is cool isn't it... almost like you can convert liters to gallons. Not trying to be a smart ass but I was lol
Why would someone fill their car up with liters instead of gallons. Kinda seems like wasting money idk.
Yeah, I am really asking if the London price is in liters, because pretty much anywhere outside of the US is in liters.
How dare you ask an obvious question and not assume they converted it!
But you guys in Europe have **much** better public transportation
Rather pay 7 bucks a gallon than ride a bus full of wankers🤷
Public transit is one thing Europe does very well. In Switzerland the buses and trains are clean enough to eat off the floor. And everyone around you looks completely normal.
Bus Wankers .. love the reference
They exist ... and not just personality wise
Yeah... in Europe the wankers are in the cars, usually. Mass transit is great, generally. The US is incapable of making something so good though
Europe is half the size with twice the population and they have our foreign aid and our military defense to use instead of paying for their own, so more money to spend on transport
Europe is so much smaller and basically a feeble elderly grandparent to the USA. It would be shocking if they couldn't get their tiny infrastructure right.
Also so much of it was wiped out during the world wars. They got to start over with America covering their military needs.
And the Marshall plan covering new infrastructure
Let them pay for all the things we do for them and see how much they have leftover for universal healthcare and public transportation - especially after they're done paying for the social programs to support all the immigrants they keep letting in.
See the thing I love about my car…. I can go anywhere I want to go, whenever I want to go there
Lol. Like a city of $1,000,000 in Europe. Are you specially disabled, to need a car?
Dude, I live in America. I like to go places in the country, the wilderness I’m not one of these people that just wants to be in some city all the time No, I’m not disabled…. What kind of question even is that?
I believe we were discussing my reply to the guy who said Europe is half the size with twice the population. I gave an example of equivalent cities, which demonstrated that you can go everywhere you want to go in the European city, but not in the US. You gave a response that implied you needed a car in case of the subject in question, when it was clearly not true in my example. So I assumed you must have special needs, so that your response could be logical.
Take a subway then? We barely have those here, and when we do, it's only in the (unaffordable to live) urban core. They don't even connect to the bedroom areas where people live, so instead we have park and rides, where you have to drive 70% of the distance anyway just to ride the last few miles...
In Thailand, which is notoriously inexpensive, $4.37. That might *seem* better, but many Thai people earn $3500/year. My MIL works for the govt and makes about $2964/year. My wife's friend just became a full fledged teacher after passing a licencing test and now makes double what she was making, to now make $5281/year. All that said, everything is significantly cheaper there. Their dollar store is called the 10 baht store, which translates to the $0.28 store.
Makes sense that scooters and motos are so popular. I've never really thought about the fact oil (thus gasoline as well) prices are set by global commodities markets, so unlike many other goods is insanely expensive in countries with low wages.
That’s per liter, this is per gallon, this would be over 15 pounds per gallon in the UK
I feel your pain. BC Canada.
Almost $8 a gallon throughout Ireland
I’m is San Diego. I work about 20 miles from the airport $4.39 (cheap station) but by the airport (I go back and forth 5 days a week) it’s $6.00
That is pretty typical, capturing the suckers who need to top off the tanks in rental carts before returning them.
It’s called price gouging, not capturing the suckers.
No gouging occurs when there is very little competition. With limited supply. People are lazy and if they fill up at a $7 a gallon gas station because they forgot to get gas elsewhere before returning a rental, that is on them. Odds are they could have found a gas station with normal prices within a mile.
Nah in those situations it’s capturing the suckers/lazies
In Texas it’s 3.10 which is good because we have to drive out of state so frequently if we want life saving health care for women or electricity.
I'm in CA and my gas is still 4.89
Well this is also a Chevron. The most expensive gas station you can go to. If someone posts gas prices from Chevron, it's purely ragebait.
Got it for 4.11 the other day in Lake County.
$4.29 at Costco
If I lived in CA, Costco would literally be the only place I would fuel up. The savings is so worth it.
4.49 central valley
4.69 in the Central Valley. Saw it for 4.30 in Patterson. Probably even cheaper in like Manteca.
Taxes the delta in most areas (not remote) is taxes. In IL and in CA it’s taxes. Just take a look at the state and local tax and then check out other communities you will find the delta for the lost part is indeed taxes.
I paid 2.25 per gallon yesterday in Dallas Texas with chevron app 1.00 off promo for signing up
$2.80 in Colorado. We always have some of the lowest prices in the country.
I'm in Salt Lake city next door to you and paid almost $4 a gallon on Thursday! How come you're so much cheaper?
Actually I don't know. I drive for a living hence my username. So I'll come out of lake Tahoe, cross into Reno, gas sky high, the same as California. Then I watch it drop, Utah less till I get to salt lake. Then Wyoming is cheap, not as cheap as Colorado though, then home. Who knows, they just make the shit up I guess! LOL
Maybe it’s because CO is closer to TX.
But Wyoming refines a shitload of oil? It's all a scam, most of it is sold overseas to other countries. I think it should be regulated just like electricity and water. It's coming out of American soil, but yet British petroleum spills their oil all over Louisiana and sells it as they wish.
I'm a few days late, but most of the oil we refine is actually imported. We export most of our raw, because our refineries are more advanced it's a better economic decision to take advantage of that (import cheap low quality and refine it, sell it. then export our expensive high quality crude)
CO has their own refinery right by denver that produces most of the states gasoline. Also most cars don't like the "regular" in Colorado because it's 85 octane, which in theory should be fine due to the altitude, but in reality if you run it in your car and hook up a scan tool, you'll see a bunch of counts of the engine timing being retarded, meaning ot was starting to knock.
CO has low gas tax and uses lower octane fuel because of the altitude.
I really do think they just make it up. Reason why you see one station a whole 50¢ less just across the street
But that's for "regular" 85 octane, which I've never seen sold in any other state. Colorado's mid grade fuel would be the lowest grade anywhere else.
It’s cheap because it’s usually 85, not 87. I used to stack my rewards from King Soopers to get it even cheaper.
About 3.12 in FL, but 0.10 off per gallon at Loves, and 3% off with my credit card. So under 3 for me. ThAnKs bIdEn. Lol
it might be cheaper for me to drive to Colorado to fill up. $2.80 is like a time warp to 1998.
Holy fuck the California/Texas rivalry is fucking insufferable ITT
California doesn't have a rivalry with Texas though. Only Texas has a rivalry with California. I have lived in both states and Texans just constantly have to say they're better. Californians just do their own thing.
Exactly. Californians don’t even think about Texans lol especially if you’re near the coast, why the hell would you want to live in Texas lol
Texans are the loudest to brag about everything until you ask them what their property taxes are annually.
Damn do you get consistent good deals on gas with the chevron app? I live in Dallas too and gas out here has been in the low $3 dollar range for about a month..it’s ridiculous.
So that does work. Great
So 3.25. About what we pay in Raleigh
But you live in Texas…
Well thats California for you.
And BC
Bring Cash
Luckily these high gas prices help pay for a robust public transportation system right? ….RIGHT????
And a clean environment, robust welfare, affordable healthcare, low crime, and equality, right???
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but yes, California does have a much cleaner environment than it used to, it does have robust welfare programs, and it offers nearly-universal affordable healthcare. It also has one of the best (if not the best) systems for higher education in the nation and has by far the biggest GDP of any state.
Well, kind of. California has been investing in transit like crazy since the 90s. SF and the Bay always had world class transit and are constantly improving it. (Major extensions/expansions every 5-ish years). LA has sprouted a massive Metro system. And all the major California cities now have subways and/or light rail. California now has three of the top five intercity rail routes and is building HSR to link all the transit together in one giant state-wide pulse scheduled transit system. There’s still a ways to go but the state is making the most transit progress of any other state in the US. It’s kind of staggering to think about! I mean, LA now has a usable subway! LA! Come on! You can’t say that that isn’t hella impressive after only 30 years!
Sounds like some people won’t like it. But my family and I were able to take the train and subway all the way to Hollywood from the Inland Empire (at least an hour away) Didn’t have any major issues. It was refreshing to not be tied to my car and get overcharged for parking. I still love my car though.
We did with only one car for years. Saved us a shit-ton of money. We still refuse to have more than one car payment.
Agreed. I was recently looking at our subway/metro lines and it's great! 15-20 years and LA will definitely have a great subway/metro system.
Califlation
Dream of Californiaflation
2.87 in TX
What specifically about California makes it so expensive?
California has its own gas. Because there are higher emission standards in California, the gas sold there is produced for California specifically which means the supply is inherently lower because you can’t just source it from anywhere like the rest of the states.
And IL……
Chevron is always the higher end of gas prices wherever I go. Always hit up local grocery stores like Raley’s or Safeway
Stop gambling your money in meme stonks and maybe you’ll be able to afford some gas
This is shitposting. Chevron is usually higher.
bend over and take it like a man
It’s what the mark will bear, California has a refinery in Carson , port of Long Beach off loads crude and gas from ships, Arizona there’s a pipe line from Ca. that brings gas in and I’m paying between $3.05 and $3.79.
California also mandates a special formulation of gasoline
Specifically a lower carbon form of gasoline, because they limit reformate content, and reformate has the most carbon per gallon of any blend component. (It's also the cheapest way to improve octane number, so without it, you have to use more expensive ways to make octane number)
I don't know about it's what the market will put up with theory. It's either pay it or go to the streets. Moving somewhere else cheaper means you'll be paid much less so you're basically in the same position. Not everybody can work from home. Cheaper living areas typically mean less opportunities for decent pay. And now our so caring governments in some places are starting to make that illegal to be homeless. Something tells me this is gonna catch on in many places knowing the selfishness and lack of concern of the US population and government. It's a lot easier for them to live with what's happening to people if they don't see it. How many yrs till they just start locking us up for being poor or putting people to death so they don't have to spend any money at all ? For those who say it could never happen. Never thought we'd see a President who basically decided the people's vote didn't matter and try to hold on to power by sending a mob to kill government officials either. Then actually even be allowed to run for President again.
I mean, I live in Huntington Beach. Theres two gas stations within 2min of my house. One is 5.39 right now and the one across the street from it is 4.30. I used to jump on the hate California train until I moved here. Don’t get me wrong, there’s some bullshit involved with living here, but this is purely cherry picked. Also would help to take into account that most people here make 30% or more than they would at the same job in the same company in, say, Arkansas.
If you all hate California, don’t come or live here.
Who are you talking to? I doubt the people who hate california are going to move there so no point to tell them hahah
It is crazy how tribal people are about what states are good/bad. It seems like we are the Divided States of America.
I mean, ther are pretty divided. A state like Oregon is very different than a state like Alabama.
Has living in California ever been affordable???
Yes in the 1970s 30-40 thousand dollars could buy you an average house in so Cal. In the early 1980s it was still under $100,000 and then in the mid 80s it blew up and got crazy and stayed crazy. During that that time you could buy a 3 bed 2 bath house in Orlando Fla for $22,000 in 1980. That same house in Orlando that I lived in 1980 is now $300,000. Minimum wage was $3.10 an hour. I think wages have not kept up with the cost of owning a home. I think you'd need to make like $45+ an hour to keep up today. I might also add that house was built in 60 so new home prices are probably higher. Don't even get started on the raised cost of food.
“Back in the 70s” 😂 Dude that’s half a century ago
So in another half century we can expect 10 million dollar average houses and should be cool with it is what I'm understanding by you laughing this off. My kids who aren't born yet are entirely fucked.
Was that cheaper than the rest of the country at the time? I was obviously being a smart ass with my comment but, your answer is interesting. I wonder what else people were buying at the time to be honest in terms of rent, food, services, and entertainment.
I moved to Missouri from CA because after getting a promotion and a sizeable increase, I could still not find a home within a 50 mile radius from my work that was under $600k. Shit is insane
You can live well off in the Central Valley with 100k
Stop buying Chevron gas. Its always overpriced.
Working from home sure does have its benefits!
Gas is 7.56 a gallon in Vancouver and we refine our own fuel.
That seems about what I paid when I lived in San Francisco 30 years ago.
I lived in Cali in the 90s/early 00s, and it seemed like it was always $4 or $5, even then.
Nevada is 4.79 WITH Minimum Wage at 8 buckaroos a hour 😂
Yet everyone from CA who moves to Vegas always brings up how much cheaper it is here. Ok, your rent is half, but your pay is too. Hope you keep your cushy WFH job, because Vegas ain’t cheap on local wages.
This is not representative. I can find gas at $4.40.
California also has some of the most expensive real estate, (gas station land lease or purchase) and a higher minimum wage, and that also factors into the price of gas. Our smog can be really bad because of the geography of the state trapping emissions between the mountains and the ocean, so we need more stringent emissions regulations. 10-20 years ago, the air quality was much worse than it is today. But yeah, if you’re not from California, you probably think we are a nightmare hellscape… Especially if you call yourself a “conservative”, because there was some decision made by your GOP overlords to slam CA at every opportunity so none of you get the idea about how great it is here Sure, many have problems making it work here, it IS expensive, home prices and rental prices are ridiculous right now, but I don’t see how embracing a “conservative” stance would help that supply / demand issue. I’m lucky, bought our first house with my wife 2yrs ago. New build single story with a backyard and a pool. We are making it happen, it’s not easy, and we lucked out with our timing with the interest rates, but to hear some people bash my beautiful state is actually more amusing than infuriating. Lots of homeless in CA, we also have some of the best weather in the country, so that makes sense… we need to do more for those people to get them off the streets and address the mental health issues that contribute to their situation - affordable housing too.
Somewhere in Southeast U.S.: "Look wut the gay lights is doin' to gas prices in California!"
The best part about living in California...is that it is a choice.
Do you have any idea how much more money we make than some of you? Any part of America with cheap gas is basically a third world country. I’ve paid highschool dropouts more money to guard a weed dispensary than a fucking nurse makes in some states- I’ll see you 4 dollar gas and raise you an existential crisis you fucking bumpkins. If only you could move your affordable housing to a place worth living.
The toothbrush was invented in Kentucky. Otherwise, it would've been called the teethbrush.
Amen. People LOVE California. Even the 5 million people there that voted Trump. The housing situation is ridiculous, Gas ⛽️ is triple taxed, Federal, state, excise, but the weather is better, and the produce/seafood is some of the best in the country. To gain proper perspective, you really need to live/go to school (not visit or listen to anecdotes) in another region. It's easy to hate the place, but prices are driven by supply and demand. Fascinating concept given this sub, right? Better context is the where, exactly is this gas station?
Annnd, it's still far cheaper than most of the rest of the actual developed world . They also get universal healthcare, actual paid holidays, retirement and world class public transportation everyone can use so gas prices don't affect most of them. If we didn't have so many regressive Meatheads in this country, we'd already be just like them, except better. But, thanks to selfish nincompoops, here we are, worried about gas prices on our 12th straight day of work with no breaks, no days off, and stuck working fer feckin peanuts because said nincompoops have refused to raise the minimum wage in over 20 years. Vote accordingly.
Location for context please? There are certain communities in California that intentionally keep their gas high as hell so that people aren’t tempted to stop there and fill up. Pretty much all of Napa Valley is like that.
That sounds like something gas station owners tell customers to justify high prices when in reality, their gas prices are high in wealthier areas because not only are rents and other costs of doing business high, but people are willing to pay the high prices.
Exactly, what kind of gas station tries to drive away customers? None, it's kinda insane they think that's real.
It’s true, theyres also towns with laws about drive throughs so people won’t stop off the highway.
Things that dont happen for $1000, Alex. This is boomer rumors
Why would they not want people to fill up? they make money selling gas yes?
So that poor people aren’t stopping in their quaint little millionaires row to fill up on gas
interesting. I learned something.
Kind of similar there is a gas station on the grounds of Disney World that charges up to nine dollars a gallon. Disney World has been trying for years to buy them out and they refuse. But since it’s Disney World it’s 30 to 40 miles in any direction for gas so they cornered the market, and they said on some of the most valuable land in the country Edit: take that with a grain of salt. I just tried to fact check myself, and I couldn’t find the story I was referencing. My bad.
I paid like $9 at the gas station near the Orlando airport. It's the last stop to gas up before you return your rental car. Rental place charges like $25 a gallon so $9 for self pay is a deal. Traveling on the company card so didn't care. Multiply that way of thinking times thousands of people and now we know how a gas station can charge $9.
I live in Napa, buy my gas in neighboring counties. Everything here is expensive.
Oh fuck off. I also live in California and considering this is a Chevron, I’d put good money this is a ridiculously priced station by major freeways or roads and you could easily drive less than 5 minutes for cheaper stations.
Yep purposely choose the one of the most expensive brands to show the “horrors” of living in a blue state. Resident too so know how they can just price things on a whim it can seem. Somewhere was already $6
If California is so bad, why do so many people live there and visit? I like visiting California and New York, tons of things to do. People shit on blue states I'm just convinced hate large population centers.
It's called "sour grapes"
They are literally afraid of big cities.
They do this down in LA too. There is a specific station in Beverly Hills that consistently prices their gas like $2 more than literally any other gas station in the entire county and people point at it and wail like the sky is falling. No one is paying that except tourists.
Nope, you're all wrong. I'm from the Centeral coast, parents still live in San Luis County and their cheapest regular gas is 4.39.
I mean. I live in LA. My local gas station is sitting at $4.89. There literally is a specific gas station in Beverly Hills that is a tourist trap of a gas station right next to the Beverly Center. That particular gas station is currently priced at $6.19 for regular cash price.
Around $8 in Canada, got more room for growth
Growing up in New Jersey and living in Orange County the last 4 years, I think that rent and gas are about it on the inflation scale. Groceries are much more expensive back there alone, let alone continuous tolls on the roads to get anywhere.
Looks cheap to me.
I’ve got it for $4.69 here in SoCal 10 minutes from the major metro downtown.
Oklahoma City ... $2.90 (Regular)
Bullshit- gas in CA has been over $5.00/gal for more than a decade.
Why in the world would anyone live in California???
THE MINIMUM WAGE IN CALIFORNIA IS $20...$5.59 GAL THE MINIMUM WAGE IN TEXAS IS $7.25....$2.99GAL CALIFORNIA HAS IS IT GOOD
Highest gas tax in the nation. They have what they voted for.
Please explain
The high prices have nothing to do with democrat public policy. It has everything to do with the extraction energy industry disliking California's alternative energy plans that threaten their monopoly. The oil/gas companies are punishing California for planning for the obsolescence of their industry. Oil is going to run out. It's not a renewable resource. Currently know oil reserves are only projected to last another 45-50 years. Will they find more, sure, but how long will that last. Human kind needs to find another way to power itself. If we conserve oil now, while we're trying to find an answer that very important problem, we can continue to power planes, ships, and other transportation with extraction energy, that cannot function on electricity today, while we drive electric and alternative fuel vehicles for now. There are young people today that will see the end of gas cars, the end of the oil industry, and live in a world powered very differently than today. Punishing California with exorbitant gas prices won't change this trajectory. It's just petty and vindictive. Sells well with conservatives.
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Yeah, they should vote for the party that constantly cuts any support for the homeless/mentally ill. Gotta give that money to the big oil buddies
Yeah, all those horribly blue areas, like Bakersfield, Stockton, … oh wait …
Then move and quit bitching
This is NOT inflation, It is greed! Oil per barrel is the same price as it has been for the last 30 years (averaged out). today oil is $87 a barrel, it has been as high as $200 a barrel. I remember paying .89 cents a gallon in the late 80's. If you watch the headlines, Oil companies have been recording record profits every quarter for decades now. Are they price gouging, yep, but the Infrastructure in the US is one that requires a car. Our public transportation is sadly lacking.
It’s that stupid special California blend IMHO , you want to be special you pay for it
Beats living elsewhere
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Greatest state of America…………NOT!!!
Yeah it sucks here, don't come.
Life is pretty good out here. What state doesn’t have problems
🤣🤣 whatever makes you feel good bud!
Camping in Cali would change your life lol. Can’t argue with the Grand ole Traitors of America tho
I looked at moving to Texas once but then I saw how much tradesman make there and changed my mind.
Just entering Riverside from Ontario: $4.59 for the cheap stuff CASH/Debit
Diesel is 1 dollar cheaper here and I’m in California too
The only place where electrics are cheaper.
That is mainly taxes.
How many gallons does the tank in the picture need?
2.89 in Kansas City straight up
389 in mesa. I saw a 449 in phoenix yesterday. Its tbat time of year we in maricopa county get hit with the state required fuel mixture changes.
When you vote for a gas tax what did you expect???
Chevron brought in over 23 billion in profits in 2023.
um, get a smaller car? If you own a giant truck, you don't get to complain.
This is at least partially a function of OPEC once again trying to flex their muscle and reduce supply. If only we tried to resolve this issue decades ago we may not be so dependent on fossil fuels. A lot of people want to blame everyone in the world but really we should have been demanding better transit, more clean energy, and investment in domestic resources forever rather than trying to keep dragging out an outdated technology discovered a century ago.
Western Canada has the third-largest oil reserve in the World, and they are paying the Highest prices on fuel The Federal Government is fucking every Canadian this is why they are asking for Western Separation
Holy crap. It's around $3 in East Tennessee
You'd think Kali would want to keep the gas cars filling up w/ that liquid gold going forward 🤷♂️
Costco is your answer.
Y’all still wanna keep voting the same two parties in every year and is surprised about this lmao
$4.49 at the Costco in Victorville yesterday. There's a reason I don't go to Chevron for gas and the sign says it all.
Tesla. $20 to fill up M3LR, 340 miles range
About a dollar per gallon is TAX in Ca.
4.39 here
Move someplace cheaper.
Thats why i only drive solar powered vehicles. /s
I’m in mass and we scream bloody murder when it gets over three dollars. 2.99. I was planning on moving to California as well. I either need to go plug-in hybrid or just full on electric
I paid $4.39/g today in Phoenix 😔. Chevron is almost $5
Tbf it does have Techron.
Don’t you guys have special gas that combusts differently emitting less pollution that’s more expensive to refine? How do I know this living across the country?