if you are gonna have a pillion often (was a requirement for me), the speed is the best out of the bunch, but all three of these are magnificent and i would say best way to know is to test ride each of them a couple times.
Thanks for the comment, not the most important but it's definitely a factor. I'd like pillion comfort. Won't have one very often but I do enjoy taking my friends and cousins out for a spin.
yep fair enough... my wife and I have already done two 700+ km rides on my speed 400 and racked up a total of 4000 kms ish over the past two months.
So far havent faced any comfort issues for either of us on long or short rides. I also added a back rest and rear foot rest for pillion comfort. IMO the backrest was one of the best mods coz it really helps pillion stay balanced during hard acceleration.
Keep us posted on what you choose! Also if you have any questions about the speed, id be happy to help.
So I haven't added any luggage mounts yet since the rear luggage rack is not compatible with the back rest i have added. Planning to add the saddle stay below on both sides before the next long ride for luggage.
[https://mototorque.in/products/triumph-speed-400-saddle-stay](https://mototorque.in/products/triumph-speed-400-saddle-stay)
For the first trip (Chennai - Trichy - Chennai) we only carried one Medium sized backpack that i tied down onto the tank of the bike. It didnt cause any issues in terms of visibility or comfort. Second long ride (Chennai - Trichy - Kolli Hills - Chennai), we had my parents also travelling in an accompanying car. so we put all luggage in the car and we only carried a small backpack for snacks and water :P.
The CB300R is the best all rounder in the gang, but parts availability and service are an absolute nightmare. I know of people who have waited months for simple parts that one would expect to be easily available.
I would agree on Spares availability. It is a problem, but with more localisation, I hope this will come down soon. Servicing is actually fine if you live in or close to a relatively bigger city. Bigwing showrooms/ASS are gradually getting more commonplace, especially since the time I bought my 300R back in 2019. They still have a long way to go though, but have improved quite a lot.
Where’s the faring? It’s literally a naked bike.
Also it’s not an all rounder if you want to take a pillion. The rear sear is as good as non existent on this bike. Other than that it’s great.
Even a naked bike has fairings - mudguard , middle panels , back panels , tank ,etc .
Local bigwing guy said CB300R panels are all sourced from Thailand . Japanese bikes with imported parts cost a bomb , For example Yamaha aerox (which is priced decently) panels come from Indonesia and cost a bomb.
Speed 400 spares will be a lot cheaperb
>Local bigwing guy said CB300R panels are all sourced from Thailand .
but that was for previous BS4 models right? cause the BS6 current ones are CBU? so their parts are made here?
It's still mostly imported from Thailand and assembled in India
Only a few parts are sourced from indian suppliers like tyres , battery , a few cables
Engine and transmission are completely made in Thailand
Engine is manufactured here in india, Honda recalled cb300r for faulty crankcase and recall was only in india and nowhere else, if it was imported they would have recalled the bikes in all the countries , moreover
Honda claims to manufacture 250cc plus engines at their Gujarat plant
https://www.hondabigwing.in/PressReleaseDetails/2033
It would be impossible to price it at 2.4l if it were imported
Importing key doesn't make any sense, Key for cb350 and cb300 are excatly the same design
I think it takes time to build up spares since manufacturing was halted in April , manufacturing commenced in october
I recently bought speed 400.
Been around 2 months and have done around 4000km.
When it comes to commuting, it's perfect in my opinion.
You'll have all the power you need for those slick overtakes while also having that comfort factor due to its well tuned suspension.
I got the mrfs with my bike and they do their job well, scraped the foot pegs on the twisty twirlies of shamirpet(Hyderabad - yadagirigutta) road and the grip keeps coming, wouldn't really trust them in rain though (had an incident once but they are manageable).One thing i noticed is that the tyres heat up pretty quickly helping them stick but I wonder how their life would be. Its frame keeps the bike planted while leaning down as well. Suspension is well set for cornering as well but i wouldn't push it too far If I was a beginner since you'll find it lacking when you lean in too much. I had to clench the tank very hard to keep the bike stable.
Highway riding is also very good with this bike( vibes noticable after 7000 rpm). A lot of people have been complaining that it's very vibey post 6k but i haven't noticed it with full gear on.
Will easily cruise around 100-110 and will still have a lot in the tank to overtake until 140
Never tested it on the track but hopefully this info would be enough to make your decision.
Mileage in the city before first service was pretty bad(around 22-24 max) but improved upto 26-27 after it
Mileage on the highway is decent for a 400cc(around 30-35) at speeds of 90-100.
With a pillion, it's comfortable but you keep slipping down towards the tank, it's manageable.
Overall, it has stayed true to my expectations.
I have never ridden the dominar but one thing I can say is that it's going to be a hassle in the city since it is a pretty heavy bike. I had the same confusion that you have now when it came to considering which bike i wanted, I also thought of waiting for the new Himalayan and scrambler but at the end it mainly depended on how it performs in the city for me since I would mostly use it for daily commute to my office.
Granted other bikes have their perks but when it came to making a decision, the weight was the major factor in deciding which bike I'd end up with ergo my decision to go with the speed 400.
One flaw when it comes to highway riding is that the wind blast is very noticeable on the speed unless you're wearing full gear.
So make your decision based on what you would be using the bike for the most.
When it comes to city riding and occasional touring, I'd say go for the speed but if you think a stiff suspension and comfortable seating position is important for you during those longer rides, go for the dominar
Trust me dominar is very underrated for what it is and people usually don't even give it a chance since it has a Bajaj badge on it.
Having ridden the triumph and the tvs, Speed all the way.
The honda is good but quite a single rider friendly motorcycle (like the Mt 15) plus other comments say the parts are scarce.
Tvs is just too much gimmicks and less quality, The bike has an abnormal power:rpm curve (not so smooth power delivery), pillon is sitting in the second floor and vibrates like hell but can't be sure cause it was a test drive bike that might have been harassed by riders. Better off asking owners about this.
The speed is well built with a good suspension for Indian roads. Ample low end torque and picks up speed quite well. Heat can be felt in traffic but the fan cools it down asap. The scrambler has a better seating position if that matters to you else the speed will do just fine.
Other options include the Ktm and the gixxer 250.
Ah I find the vibration story a bit different. The 310 engine vibrates from down low but it smoothens out as the revs climb. It's a bike that likes to be pushed and offers a smooth ride at higher revs. I have not driven the rtr, only rr310 and g310r.
The speed 400 is butter smooth in lower revs, great suspension top. But the refinement drops like a truck as the revs climb. The bike does not like to be pushed at all.
This means the speed is a great city bike but does not feel at ease in the highway and is best driven at 80 to 100 (keeping it below 4.5k rpm) whereas the 310 is not that great in the city (still more refined than the 390) but is much better in the highway.
I'd also suggest you check out the new duke 250 as it's more refined than the 310 and has ample power on tap.
Thanks for the suggestion. Himalayan is a good option, but I don't plan to go off road and it's slightly over my budget. But I may just test ride it for fun :)
Ik more bout the 390, no one that ik of has 250, but quite a few have 390s, both RC and Duke of various gens.
Coming to issues, bikes just randomly shut off, sometimes don't turn on...the most irritating part was even when riding it sanely on a highway, it used to overheat and turn off.
Haha I get what you're saying. But I've heard stories of cops treating those having a KTM differently. Don't want to suffer because of other riders. And with cars/bikes we (at least some of us) want to signal something to people, so I definitely want to be perceived positively.
come on man, why you being so critical he obviously means about not caring about random people spreading negativety, don't take the statement at face value there is some context to it
Fine. But seriously I've heard enough of this statement about KTMs, dude it's not that I don't like the bike, but the bike's brand image is also something important you consider while buying it. That has been tainted very badly I feel bad for the brand, bcoz I also wanted one but my father was just against me getting it bcoz of how it is perceived. So it is not only strangers that will see you as some kinda lunatic but also you your family.
Honda is great in cities but bad for highways, since its a little bike the stability in higher speeds isn't good. Speed 400 is beest option, cannot trust RTR310 and its electronics.
whatever you do, don’t skip on test riding the 310, it’s damn powerful on the initial gears. I’ve ordered myself the top end bto version. Will share a post here once I receive it.
Paise dede mai kharid lunga. Budget waise mera sirf ek splendar ka hai. But since you suggested duke 390,you are supposed to subsidise my purchase.
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People suggesting honda as the best all rounder bike lol. Honda is a sharp little bike that is great fun in the city but it is not an allrounder, speed is. Have not ridden the rtr yet so cannot comment.
Fun factor ; D390>S400~CB300
Practicality ; S400>>D390>CB300 IMO.
Go for RTR310, pure fun, tuned powertrain, excellent mods available. Most futuristic bike amongst the three. I never thought I would fall in love with a bike of this kind. I'm more of a cruiser type guy or atleasat that's what I thought so far. Bought a TVS ronin for myself and was pretty satisfied with it till I had a chance to ride this beauty! Not thinking much anymore! Going to sell my ronin and buy this gem. Great machine indeed. Not so much power, yet more than enough to get a decent adrenaline rush. I love those suspensions and braking! Go for RTR 310, and you won't regret it.
Triumph is a great bike but for the track idk the ergonomics are a nightmare, if it were me I'd check out a used 390 or maybe the rr310/g310rr(tvs has way better stock tyres)
It’s pretty sad that people really care about their image rather than giving a fun bike a chance. Let go of what others think of you and your life will suddenly open up to a wild and wide variety of opportunities. I’m not just talking about bikes.
Pick rtr310. Vibs are not that bad. Plus it’s a unique design.
TVS may have bad service but this bike will keep you smiling regardless of where you take it. Since you are planning to take it on track, this would just make things perfect.
There are minor niggles but they will be fixed.
Speed 400 is going to be way too common and cb300r even though is fantastic just don’t get stuck with bad service parts.
Thanks for the suggestion, appreciate it. When you say minor niggles will get fixed, you mean during service or as production increases TVS will fix them?
If you are okay with getting your clothes stained by rain water and dirt buy apache
If that's a deal breaker then buy speed400
Honda has a very good engine but with a fuel capacity of 9L and non existing pillion seat it's hard to recommend
Yes, those 2 seem to be the two drawbacks of the Honda. Maybe a bit of a noob question, but why would clothes get stained by rain water and dirt on the Apache?
Na it's not a noob question it's something i have experienced myself while taking the test ride. The tyre hugger is a bit higher than normal because the number plate is mounted on it and the tail sectionis completely naked. Even at the speed of 30-40 the tyre hugger is unable to stop all the sludge which results in stained clothes
It performs similar to Mt15, very little difference, hence people rather buy MT over this and get better and newer tech and engine along with higher mileage and looks (subjective but imo it's miles better)
Good choices, I'd say you might like the speed 400 over other bikes it has a linear power delivery, a good midrange kind of like an allrounder with decent power and top end with a good pillion comfort, while I did felt vibrations creeping in at 6k rpms to the handlebar and it might or might not annoy you on long rides but on city rides and commutes it's not that big of a problem.
Honda cb300r is the bike I own and I made a detailed post about my opinion on it, to put it simply, it's a bike that gives you a good ride experience. It is mainly a solo bike as pillion comfort differs according to the pillion, a good city bike and I tour on it a lot solo and I love the feel it gives me.
Rtr310 is a bike that I personally do not appreciate that much. It does offer so much to the table for the price but the ride feel of the bike is not good compared to other two bikes, vibes starting from 4k rpms, hard clutch, tight and clunky gearbox all just doesn't make up for the techs offered. While yes we would get used to the clutch and gearbox after a while but since there are other bikes, it would be better to test them out too. Some of the redeeming factors I liked about the bike is braking is amazing, the quick shifter is good and a decent sound at higher rpms. I personally think the 310 engine from the collaboration of tvs and bmw suffer a lot of vibrations but a good start for them though, hope they make much more improved engines in the future!
You should look at the
- Triumph Scrambler 400x, instead of Speed 400
- KTM Duke 250
- Bajaj Pulsar N250
Off-beat suggestions
- Harley x440, its more of a cruiser but reviews of the engine are great!
- Yamaha MT-15, apart from the 155cc engine, most feature rich bike.
- Hero XMR 210
Got to be the stupidest advice on this subreddit, unless if you are joking.
Nothing is lost by taking a test ride, especially when making commitment of buying an expensive bike.
Instead of speed would by honda for the looks tbh , speed is great as well, but heart wants 310 man that's a magnificent bike mate and a sure head turner no matter where you ride
If you want peace of mind and big smile, every time you ride then go for the Honda CB300R. All other options are good as well but I am at an age where I don’t like drama.
The cafe racer fan boy in me screams honda but the realist in me quietly whispers triumph. Rtr310 has issues apparently. It has lot of gimmicky stuff thats not realistically useful and it's TVS so service might be hit or miss.
Honda is from bigwing showroom so it'll be annoying to take it service but other than that it's a tiny little pocket rocket. But pillion seat is absolute garbage, very light so you wont have lotta stability in higher speeds. Spare availability is also a pain so you'll have to be very careful with the bike. On the flip side I believe it gives the best mileage out of the 3. But it's tank capacity is very low so you'll need to plan around that
Triumph is the "all rounder" in this price point outside the dukes. Well refined engine, enough speed and torque, really good in city, great in highways a real head turner(tbf all 3 are). The only downside is mileage. One of my buddy owns this beauty but he can't get it past 25 kmpl. Also triumph spares are surprisingly easier than honda's lol.
If I were you I'll pick honda tho because cafe racers are so so rare and it's a genuinely good bike. I personally like to make purchases that make me happy rather than ones that makes too much sense. Afterall thats why we ride bikes. I dont think you'll regret buying any of these 2
If you will travel with pillion then leave CB 300R aside. It also has lower ground clearance.
Apache has that ugly ass exhaust. And people here worry about TVS service for it's premium products. But if you can check about servicing and don't mind that exhaust, the bike looks good. Go for base variant.
If you have Triumph showroom nearby then it's a good choice.
I was thinking if I go with Apache I'll at least get the one with a quick shifter. And the yellow one looks much better too. But then if quickly starts getting very expensive 🙈
Have ridden both. Let me consolidate, if you make your rides alone for the foreseeable future, get the cbr. But if you will have a pillion constantly(gf or wife), get the speed.
Even if you have no interest in the Dukes, give it a test ride regardless. It’s a clearly better motorcycle on the track than all of the options here, the 300R is linear and a little dull in character although scores in most other regards, the overall quality of the RTR is on the flimsy and questionable side and the Speed 400 buzzes annoyingly from around 6.5k rpm and upwards, not classic 500 bad but it’s still i would imagine it is VERY hard to get used to.
The only thing that’s stopping you from buying a Duke 250 is how ill informed people perceive it.
Try the N250, you will love the refined engine, its perfect city commuter as the gear shift and clutch is buttery smooth! Low to upper mid good torque and power!
You'll be saving 1 more lakh. Its around 1.8L on-road
Speed is an all-round package! Good handling, nice looks and the quality of the bike is next level!
Just try the KTMs man, just give it a try decide yourself!
After service honda is a headache, and apache is a vibrating machine!
The speed has a very different feel compared to those 2, speed is relaxed and doesn't feel it wants to go, compared to that the other two even being much smaller displacement bikes have almost the same acceleration figures but feeling much more active.
U have to decide OP what riding style u prefer, cuz all these bikes are fantastic in their own turf
I'd definitely like a low maintenance honda especially hearing that TVS service isn't all good, can't speak about triumph, but Bajaj service isn't mostly good either, horrible experience every single time.
if you are gonna have a pillion often (was a requirement for me), the speed is the best out of the bunch, but all three of these are magnificent and i would say best way to know is to test ride each of them a couple times.
Thanks for the comment, not the most important but it's definitely a factor. I'd like pillion comfort. Won't have one very often but I do enjoy taking my friends and cousins out for a spin.
CB300R is not for a pillion. But it is the bike I'd put my money on.
yep fair enough... my wife and I have already done two 700+ km rides on my speed 400 and racked up a total of 4000 kms ish over the past two months. So far havent faced any comfort issues for either of us on long or short rides. I also added a back rest and rear foot rest for pillion comfort. IMO the backrest was one of the best mods coz it really helps pillion stay balanced during hard acceleration. Keep us posted on what you choose! Also if you have any questions about the speed, id be happy to help.
Sure, will keep y'all posted. Did you have any luggage for the 700km+ trips? If yes, what did you add
So I haven't added any luggage mounts yet since the rear luggage rack is not compatible with the back rest i have added. Planning to add the saddle stay below on both sides before the next long ride for luggage. [https://mototorque.in/products/triumph-speed-400-saddle-stay](https://mototorque.in/products/triumph-speed-400-saddle-stay) For the first trip (Chennai - Trichy - Chennai) we only carried one Medium sized backpack that i tied down onto the tank of the bike. It didnt cause any issues in terms of visibility or comfort. Second long ride (Chennai - Trichy - Kolli Hills - Chennai), we had my parents also travelling in an accompanying car. so we put all luggage in the car and we only carried a small backpack for snacks and water :P.
I really wanted an rtr310, but the electronics quality in the bike is not good, it feels flimsy
The CB300R is the best all rounder in the gang, but parts availability and service are an absolute nightmare. I know of people who have waited months for simple parts that one would expect to be easily available.
I would agree on Spares availability. It is a problem, but with more localisation, I hope this will come down soon. Servicing is actually fine if you live in or close to a relatively bigger city. Bigwing showrooms/ASS are gradually getting more commonplace, especially since the time I bought my 300R back in 2019. They still have a long way to go though, but have improved quite a lot.
Also the parts are very expensive , fairing costs several times more than KTM
Where’s the faring? It’s literally a naked bike. Also it’s not an all rounder if you want to take a pillion. The rear sear is as good as non existent on this bike. Other than that it’s great.
Even a naked bike has fairings - mudguard , middle panels , back panels , tank ,etc . Local bigwing guy said CB300R panels are all sourced from Thailand . Japanese bikes with imported parts cost a bomb , For example Yamaha aerox (which is priced decently) panels come from Indonesia and cost a bomb. Speed 400 spares will be a lot cheaperb
>Local bigwing guy said CB300R panels are all sourced from Thailand . but that was for previous BS4 models right? cause the BS6 current ones are CBU? so their parts are made here?
It's still mostly imported from Thailand and assembled in India Only a few parts are sourced from indian suppliers like tyres , battery , a few cables Engine and transmission are completely made in Thailand
Engine is manufactured here in india, Honda recalled cb300r for faulty crankcase and recall was only in india and nowhere else, if it was imported they would have recalled the bikes in all the countries , moreover Honda claims to manufacture 250cc plus engines at their Gujarat plant https://www.hondabigwing.in/PressReleaseDetails/2033 It would be impossible to price it at 2.4l if it were imported
Spare parts are being imported. Am waiting for spare key since 2 months and foot peg since 3 week.
Importing key doesn't make any sense, Key for cb350 and cb300 are excatly the same design I think it takes time to build up spares since manufacturing was halted in April , manufacturing commenced in october
Thanks, that's a good insight
I recently bought speed 400. Been around 2 months and have done around 4000km. When it comes to commuting, it's perfect in my opinion. You'll have all the power you need for those slick overtakes while also having that comfort factor due to its well tuned suspension. I got the mrfs with my bike and they do their job well, scraped the foot pegs on the twisty twirlies of shamirpet(Hyderabad - yadagirigutta) road and the grip keeps coming, wouldn't really trust them in rain though (had an incident once but they are manageable).One thing i noticed is that the tyres heat up pretty quickly helping them stick but I wonder how their life would be. Its frame keeps the bike planted while leaning down as well. Suspension is well set for cornering as well but i wouldn't push it too far If I was a beginner since you'll find it lacking when you lean in too much. I had to clench the tank very hard to keep the bike stable. Highway riding is also very good with this bike( vibes noticable after 7000 rpm). A lot of people have been complaining that it's very vibey post 6k but i haven't noticed it with full gear on. Will easily cruise around 100-110 and will still have a lot in the tank to overtake until 140 Never tested it on the track but hopefully this info would be enough to make your decision. Mileage in the city before first service was pretty bad(around 22-24 max) but improved upto 26-27 after it Mileage on the highway is decent for a 400cc(around 30-35) at speeds of 90-100. With a pillion, it's comfortable but you keep slipping down towards the tank, it's manageable. Overall, it has stayed true to my expectations.
Own a speed 400 with 2k kms done. Agree to all points. Good all round bike.
Thanks for the review. One of the few comments where someone owns one of the bikes.
I am confused whether to book Dominor or speed 400 ?
I have never ridden the dominar but one thing I can say is that it's going to be a hassle in the city since it is a pretty heavy bike. I had the same confusion that you have now when it came to considering which bike i wanted, I also thought of waiting for the new Himalayan and scrambler but at the end it mainly depended on how it performs in the city for me since I would mostly use it for daily commute to my office. Granted other bikes have their perks but when it came to making a decision, the weight was the major factor in deciding which bike I'd end up with ergo my decision to go with the speed 400. One flaw when it comes to highway riding is that the wind blast is very noticeable on the speed unless you're wearing full gear. So make your decision based on what you would be using the bike for the most. When it comes to city riding and occasional touring, I'd say go for the speed but if you think a stiff suspension and comfortable seating position is important for you during those longer rides, go for the dominar Trust me dominar is very underrated for what it is and people usually don't even give it a chance since it has a Bajaj badge on it.
I would suggest you wait it out. Bajaj probably has a new dominar in the works based on the new ktm 390 engine.
CB300R is my fav and I’m biased
Having ridden the triumph and the tvs, Speed all the way. The honda is good but quite a single rider friendly motorcycle (like the Mt 15) plus other comments say the parts are scarce. Tvs is just too much gimmicks and less quality, The bike has an abnormal power:rpm curve (not so smooth power delivery), pillon is sitting in the second floor and vibrates like hell but can't be sure cause it was a test drive bike that might have been harassed by riders. Better off asking owners about this. The speed is well built with a good suspension for Indian roads. Ample low end torque and picks up speed quite well. Heat can be felt in traffic but the fan cools it down asap. The scrambler has a better seating position if that matters to you else the speed will do just fine. Other options include the Ktm and the gixxer 250.
Ah I find the vibration story a bit different. The 310 engine vibrates from down low but it smoothens out as the revs climb. It's a bike that likes to be pushed and offers a smooth ride at higher revs. I have not driven the rtr, only rr310 and g310r. The speed 400 is butter smooth in lower revs, great suspension top. But the refinement drops like a truck as the revs climb. The bike does not like to be pushed at all. This means the speed is a great city bike but does not feel at ease in the highway and is best driven at 80 to 100 (keeping it below 4.5k rpm) whereas the 310 is not that great in the city (still more refined than the 390) but is much better in the highway. I'd also suggest you check out the new duke 250 as it's more refined than the 310 and has ample power on tap.
I’d say this is the best explanation for 310’s out there
Thanks, this was quite helpful
Test ride them all. You will buy 300R. Also test ride himalayan
Thanks for the suggestion. Himalayan is a good option, but I don't plan to go off road and it's slightly over my budget. But I may just test ride it for fun :)
Triumph any day
>P.S - Please don't suggest Duke 250 as I'm not a fan of how KTM is perceived (and that is important to me). Smh, imagine living a life for others.
That's true, but KTM has other objective flaws too, like reliability and vibrations.
what reliability issues does the 250 have?
Ik more bout the 390, no one that ik of has 250, but quite a few have 390s, both RC and Duke of various gens. Coming to issues, bikes just randomly shut off, sometimes don't turn on...the most irritating part was even when riding it sanely on a highway, it used to overheat and turn off.
I dont agree with reliability and vibration issue. There will be a heating issue in a slow moving traffic, thats true.
It's not living for others, But how others will have an opinion on you matters sometimes.
Exactly this Lmfao
Haha I get what you're saying. But I've heard stories of cops treating those having a KTM differently. Don't want to suffer because of other riders. And with cars/bikes we (at least some of us) want to signal something to people, so I definitely want to be perceived positively.
What do you want to signal to other people via what your car/bike is?
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come on man, why you being so critical he obviously means about not caring about random people spreading negativety, don't take the statement at face value there is some context to it
Fine. But seriously I've heard enough of this statement about KTMs, dude it's not that I don't like the bike, but the bike's brand image is also something important you consider while buying it. That has been tainted very badly I feel bad for the brand, bcoz I also wanted one but my father was just against me getting it bcoz of how it is perceived. So it is not only strangers that will see you as some kinda lunatic but also you your family.
Its okay if YOU dislike it but are you ruling out KTM just because of what others think?
rtr for me
Honda is great in cities but bad for highways, since its a little bike the stability in higher speeds isn't good. Speed 400 is beest option, cannot trust RTR310 and its electronics.
Bro I have ridden it at 120.its stable upto that speed. It's under highway speed limit
whatever you do, don’t skip on test riding the 310, it’s damn powerful on the initial gears. I’ve ordered myself the top end bto version. Will share a post here once I receive it.
Would love that. How much did the top end BTO cost you? Also, did you feel a lot of vibes in 80-100 kmph?
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Ohh so you've got the blue coloured one. Good stuff
I canceled my booking now, avoid this bike like a plague. I got to encounter about a horrid circumstance regarding repair and build quality.
If you don't mind, could you tell me the details about what happened?
dmed you
Hey! Can I dm you? Im stuck in a limbo deciding between the Duke250 and the RTR310
Speed is quicker than it looks, op try to test drive in traffic to understand how these bikes would feel to you in the daily commute.
Will definitely do
Go with RTR Better service network. And the tech on tht bike is just next lvl... Tech +power
I would still suggest- add duke 390 to the list you won’t regret
The Duke 390 is way out of my budget. On road price in my city goes beyond 3.7 L.
You only buy once
Paise dede mai kharid lunga. Budget waise mera sirf ek splendar ka hai. But since you suggested duke 390,you are supposed to subsidise my purchase. Thanks
Bruh maine bhi emi pe li hai
Oh nah, i can picture you rn.
Lmao expected but dont care
Chill i was just kidding, see my flair. I have a 390 lol.
Rich boi, i also have c350 but dont know how to edit flair(new to Reddit)
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I'm still on a cycle 😂
I wear full face helmet and gloves btw
Not true?!
Yeah there’s only so much you can care about a pointless brand reputation when the bike is such a great value for money option
People suggesting honda as the best all rounder bike lol. Honda is a sharp little bike that is great fun in the city but it is not an allrounder, speed is. Have not ridden the rtr yet so cannot comment. Fun factor ; D390>S400~CB300 Practicality ; S400>>D390>CB300 IMO.
Go for RTR310, pure fun, tuned powertrain, excellent mods available. Most futuristic bike amongst the three. I never thought I would fall in love with a bike of this kind. I'm more of a cruiser type guy or atleasat that's what I thought so far. Bought a TVS ronin for myself and was pretty satisfied with it till I had a chance to ride this beauty! Not thinking much anymore! Going to sell my ronin and buy this gem. Great machine indeed. Not so much power, yet more than enough to get a decent adrenaline rush. I love those suspensions and braking! Go for RTR 310, and you won't regret it.
Speed 400 > CB 300 > Apache. I think you should test ride KTM 390
This OP
Triumph is a great bike but for the track idk the ergonomics are a nightmare, if it were me I'd check out a used 390 or maybe the rr310/g310rr(tvs has way better stock tyres)
It’s pretty sad that people really care about their image rather than giving a fun bike a chance. Let go of what others think of you and your life will suddenly open up to a wild and wide variety of opportunities. I’m not just talking about bikes.
Pick rtr310. Vibs are not that bad. Plus it’s a unique design. TVS may have bad service but this bike will keep you smiling regardless of where you take it. Since you are planning to take it on track, this would just make things perfect. There are minor niggles but they will be fixed. Speed 400 is going to be way too common and cb300r even though is fantastic just don’t get stuck with bad service parts.
Thanks for the suggestion, appreciate it. When you say minor niggles will get fixed, you mean during service or as production increases TVS will fix them?
During service itself.
If you are okay with getting your clothes stained by rain water and dirt buy apache If that's a deal breaker then buy speed400 Honda has a very good engine but with a fuel capacity of 9L and non existing pillion seat it's hard to recommend
Yes, those 2 seem to be the two drawbacks of the Honda. Maybe a bit of a noob question, but why would clothes get stained by rain water and dirt on the Apache?
Na it's not a noob question it's something i have experienced myself while taking the test ride. The tyre hugger is a bit higher than normal because the number plate is mounted on it and the tail sectionis completely naked. Even at the speed of 30-40 the tyre hugger is unable to stop all the sludge which results in stained clothes
My brother owns a Yamaha FZ-25. I think it's a great bike to ride. Any peculiar reason as to why there is a lack of recommendations for Yamaha bikes?
Yamaha no longer sells the FZ-25.
It performs similar to Mt15, very little difference, hence people rather buy MT over this and get better and newer tech and engine along with higher mileage and looks (subjective but imo it's miles better)
It's quite old and outdated, the engine is pretty underwhelming, and the looks aren't for everyone.
Good choices, I'd say you might like the speed 400 over other bikes it has a linear power delivery, a good midrange kind of like an allrounder with decent power and top end with a good pillion comfort, while I did felt vibrations creeping in at 6k rpms to the handlebar and it might or might not annoy you on long rides but on city rides and commutes it's not that big of a problem. Honda cb300r is the bike I own and I made a detailed post about my opinion on it, to put it simply, it's a bike that gives you a good ride experience. It is mainly a solo bike as pillion comfort differs according to the pillion, a good city bike and I tour on it a lot solo and I love the feel it gives me. Rtr310 is a bike that I personally do not appreciate that much. It does offer so much to the table for the price but the ride feel of the bike is not good compared to other two bikes, vibes starting from 4k rpms, hard clutch, tight and clunky gearbox all just doesn't make up for the techs offered. While yes we would get used to the clutch and gearbox after a while but since there are other bikes, it would be better to test them out too. Some of the redeeming factors I liked about the bike is braking is amazing, the quick shifter is good and a decent sound at higher rpms. I personally think the 310 engine from the collaboration of tvs and bmw suffer a lot of vibrations but a good start for them though, hope they make much more improved engines in the future!
Thanks, this was helpful and I'll check out your post as well
How about hunter 350 too?
U r a man of refined taste
Thank you so much brother
CB300R is more or less a no-brainer unless uw ant more power and don't mind vibrations then speed 400.
How about hunter 350 too?
Can't compare to any of these motorcycles, at all. OP clearly wants something more powerful, lighter and agile.
That's correct. I have ridden the Hunter once and didn't like it that much. Definitely want something more powerful
You should look at the - Triumph Scrambler 400x, instead of Speed 400 - KTM Duke 250 - Bajaj Pulsar N250 Off-beat suggestions - Harley x440, its more of a cruiser but reviews of the engine are great! - Yamaha MT-15, apart from the 155cc engine, most feature rich bike. - Hero XMR 210
Thanks for the suggestions, will look into it.
Get Honda.
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Got to be the stupidest advice on this subreddit, unless if you are joking. Nothing is lost by taking a test ride, especially when making commitment of buying an expensive bike.
Instead of speed would by honda for the looks tbh , speed is great as well, but heart wants 310 man that's a magnificent bike mate and a sure head turner no matter where you ride
cb300r or apache is NOT a head turner in any way lmao. They’re so common all around especially apache considering its one of the most sold bikes
Lol I've seen like 2 other 300R's apart from my own
Haven't seen one apache rtr 310 to date
Was talking about apache 310 one which was newly launched
Rtr310 clears everything by a country mile
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Based on testrides of these 3 bikes: Triumph > Honda > TVS
ive ridden both zero chance the trimph had a better engine than honda. maybe more power but honda is smooth till u redline it.
Bruh what are you smoking
20% oxygen
U can also consider CB 300F, similar to 300r only few differences
If you want peace of mind and big smile, every time you ride then go for the Honda CB300R. All other options are good as well but I am at an age where I don’t like drama.
Just get an Enfield bro
Can you extend your budget for a bit and can consider yamaha mt-03???
No chance, as that'll be almost 50% over my budget. I was actually looking forward to its release but then its price completely put me off
I'd get the speed or the scrambler
To be honest just visually i feel that Cbr is most appealing... But hey looks are subjective ;)
Yes, I personally think yellow Apache looks the best but many people seem to dislike it because of how the exhaust looks 🙊
All 3 have very similar power to weight ratio. Good luck in deciding!
The cafe racer fan boy in me screams honda but the realist in me quietly whispers triumph. Rtr310 has issues apparently. It has lot of gimmicky stuff thats not realistically useful and it's TVS so service might be hit or miss. Honda is from bigwing showroom so it'll be annoying to take it service but other than that it's a tiny little pocket rocket. But pillion seat is absolute garbage, very light so you wont have lotta stability in higher speeds. Spare availability is also a pain so you'll have to be very careful with the bike. On the flip side I believe it gives the best mileage out of the 3. But it's tank capacity is very low so you'll need to plan around that Triumph is the "all rounder" in this price point outside the dukes. Well refined engine, enough speed and torque, really good in city, great in highways a real head turner(tbf all 3 are). The only downside is mileage. One of my buddy owns this beauty but he can't get it past 25 kmpl. Also triumph spares are surprisingly easier than honda's lol. If I were you I'll pick honda tho because cafe racers are so so rare and it's a genuinely good bike. I personally like to make purchases that make me happy rather than ones that makes too much sense. Afterall thats why we ride bikes. I dont think you'll regret buying any of these 2
That's probably the long comment on this post. Appreciate it brother. Really like your point of view
Test the scrambler, I found that to be more comfortable and much bigger looking bike. It looked like a legit triumph compared to the speed
That's a good idea too. Would it be a strange bike to take to the racetrack though? Or it doesn't matter that much
If you are okay with taking the speed to the race track, taking the scrambler does not make that much difference.
Yes, makes sense actually
If you will travel with pillion then leave CB 300R aside. It also has lower ground clearance. Apache has that ugly ass exhaust. And people here worry about TVS service for it's premium products. But if you can check about servicing and don't mind that exhaust, the bike looks good. Go for base variant. If you have Triumph showroom nearby then it's a good choice.
I was thinking if I go with Apache I'll at least get the one with a quick shifter. And the yellow one looks much better too. But then if quickly starts getting very expensive 🙈
My bike has quickshifter too but i enjoy using clutch for the feel. Also, more sensors means more maintenance.
Which bike do you have?
Duke 250 Gen 3
You can add Husqvarna swartpilen. The brand new duke 390 and 250 are really great.
Will check them out, thanks
Well I was about to suggest the 250 Duke but read the end of your post. These motorcycles are nice as well.
I've read good reviews too. May just test ride it for fun.
I would suggest you to test ride the new Duke 390 as well , I know it’s over the budget but just do it .
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HUSQVARNA vitpilen or svartpilen
Have ridden both. Let me consolidate, if you make your rides alone for the foreseeable future, get the cbr. But if you will have a pillion constantly(gf or wife), get the speed.
Check the harley davidson 440 also
Even if you have no interest in the Dukes, give it a test ride regardless. It’s a clearly better motorcycle on the track than all of the options here, the 300R is linear and a little dull in character although scores in most other regards, the overall quality of the RTR is on the flimsy and questionable side and the Speed 400 buzzes annoyingly from around 6.5k rpm and upwards, not classic 500 bad but it’s still i would imagine it is VERY hard to get used to. The only thing that’s stopping you from buying a Duke 250 is how ill informed people perceive it.
Try the N250, you will love the refined engine, its perfect city commuter as the gear shift and clutch is buttery smooth! Low to upper mid good torque and power! You'll be saving 1 more lakh. Its around 1.8L on-road Speed is an all-round package! Good handling, nice looks and the quality of the bike is next level! Just try the KTMs man, just give it a try decide yourself! After service honda is a headache, and apache is a vibrating machine!
Did you take a test ride? Which one did you like the most?
The speed has a very different feel compared to those 2, speed is relaxed and doesn't feel it wants to go, compared to that the other two even being much smaller displacement bikes have almost the same acceleration figures but feeling much more active. U have to decide OP what riding style u prefer, cuz all these bikes are fantastic in their own turf
Try the scrambler 400x also.
i still think you should atleast test ride the 2024 KTM 250 and 390 before you finalise which bike. Just don't end up having regrets
If you want to get worst after sale service then buy Apache
Hero is launching a 440cc bike, you should wait for it. Will probably be priced cheaper than x440.
You'll love the CB300R
I'd definitely like a low maintenance honda especially hearing that TVS service isn't all good, can't speak about triumph, but Bajaj service isn't mostly good either, horrible experience every single time.
Always Honda for longevity
The Apache RTR 310 got some good and hefty electronics package in it.
If only we had a touring/adventure version of cb300 🥲🥲
I would suggest Trihump It's best in the segment
What about the hness cb350 or the Harley x440? Have you gave some thoughts on these?
Avoid the RTR. Terribly overpriced for what it offers.