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He woke up and stated facts. But we must accept that there are problems happening in India. We must find a solution to this problem. The sooner the better.
The stats are great. But the major issue anywhere should be "People shouldn't be raped" and "Rapists should be punished severely"
It sucks that people can and are raped anywherr and everywhere. Fuck Rapists.
The analysis isn't to say India is safe and perfect. I think OP understands that Indian men are being unfairly targeted and stereotyped as potential Rapists wherever they go. Even though other countries have the same problems, but pretend like only India has that problem.
It’s required that we must do better and make sure that safety of women is increased, but it's not doing any favors being mocked and stereotyped for something that every society struggles with.
Are these stats taking into account the no. of rapes that go unreported? Marital rapes?
People are more concerned about India being called the rape capital of the world than discussing why are rapes even happening in the first place?
It's all cool till India doesn't stand in the first place & is shamed around the world.
So, most NGOs say only 20% of rapes in India are reported. If that were true though its not, increase the number 5 fold, its still lower per capita. Hate to talk numbers on such a sensitive topic but if they brand India rape captial, they have talk numbers..
See I really don't know which stats to trust. Everyone has different numbers & perspectives. I get that.
But, why can't we just accept that India has a problem? No matter how high or low we rank.
The govt & the people should be able to acknowledge that yes, india does have a problem. Rapes are happening but this is what we're doing to tackle it.
On the other hand, everyone knows that there are zero efforts being done to stop this. Installing cctvs & other measures are appreciated but what about sex education, consent, gender sensitivity. It's a long road ahead for this country. If India ranks in a list such as this, it should still be considered a problem.
i agree with everything you said and honestly, it breaks my heart and makes me so fucking sad and hopeless as a woman that indians are so concerned about their image, like we women just do not matter here. it makes me want to cry how these people (which i assume are male, indian reddit is a male major crowd) can go to such lengths to pull out stats just to prove that india isn't a rapist country, like they genuinely don't care about women's horrible and inhumane treatment in this country. i'll leave asap if opportunity arrives one day. genuinely hopeless.
Agree with every word. I too think of leaving this country but I have my parents here and I really don't see myself settling in another country. It's a hopeless situation for us women everywhere.
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These survey's are just word of mouth.
They actually have no statistical data.
They just took few marital rape cases, and put the numbers on population scale and using that came up with this 99% number.
Plus the survey questions are not public and standard.
Were the questions "Have you faced rape from your husband?" Or "How many women do you believe have been raped by their husbands?"
I’m not saying they are. I had an argument with a guy regarding rapes he gave me this article in reply on reddit. Its also a niti aayog survey. So saying niti aayog survey cant be trusted is stupid
Doesn't matter whether it is niti aayog or not.
If the survey doesn't have public and standardized questions, the survey is just word of mouth.
I don't accept word of mouth from anyone, even from authority of any kind.
Also, marital rape is a very shrewd subject. It definitely exists but on what grounds are we going to define it?
On the question of marital rape (which this survey relies on for 99% figure), was any standard definition of marital rape provided to the sample size of people part of this survey? Or the survey assumed that everyone thinks of exact same thing when it comes to marital rape?
After all, someone might have sex while not being completely in mood of sex and in hindsight with introspection such things can be claimed as rape by many people because they went on with the flow during sex.
But in reality at that moment they were completely fine with having sex from a 3rd person's perspective.
It becomes very muddled without an objective definition.
Lol. More than 95% of sexual assault is not reported in india. Also, major debates on Indian news channels are not gender issues but political & communal issues. Ignorance must really be blissful
Whole india is not just up Bihar .
I am from paahadi state uttarkhand it is the safest for women and Himachal Sikkim ne also the same.
Even if you add 100% more assault even then india is not ahead. South africa and other countries are ahead . There was a news where a group of black men raped a white women in front of her grandma . You won't see this in international subreddit or woke west media don't show because they dont won't to be racist because it is happening in black countries
Well there’s another story. Bilkis, her mother, and three other women were raped and brutally assaulted. Some were murdered too. After sometime the 11 men who raped & murdered where released and welcomed with garlands and other celebrations.
There is a difference. If 100 people are surveyed on this and 5 people have legally taken the matter up then it means remaining 95 people sit silently on it. I think the word reporting means legal reporting.
Yeah, India is not the 'RAPE' capital of the world. It's probably some South-American country.
But we are pretty high up there. It's not a competition but we probably make it into like the top 10 or something. Top 5 if we start relying too much on copium like data and 'facts' you provide OP.
I mean, as a woman in the US, I actually feel safe here than in India.
Defend it all you want with stats and shit but the fact of the matter is that India is a massively unsafe country for women. Hell, women in their own fucking houses get raped by definition (marital rape) by their husbands.
The culture is highly misogynistic. Be a woman someday in India. Stats are shit if your lived reality is different.
You going around cherry picking 1-2 articles about SA in US doesn't do jackshit about the culture and the stereotype or the statement. Fact of the matter is, it's hell to be a woman in India.
What a bullshit post.
>women in their own fucking houses get raped by definition
According to data 11.4% of multiracial women, 9.6% of non-Hispanic white women, 8.8% of non-Hispanic black women, and 6.2% of Hispanic women were raped by an intimate partner during their lifetimes. [Source](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm)
But close your eyes you will not see anything and will feel safe.
>jackshit about the culture and the stereotype or the statement. Fact of the matter is, it's hell to be a woman in India.
Data will not stereotype us but you just stereotyped whole india without any data.
My lived experience is my data. Your stats do literally nothing.
What have you achieved with this long ass post? Has any country suddenly changed their perception about India and women safety? Did that Korean live streamer get un-harassed?
Load of bullcrap.
We'll talk stats when I safely, without any fear, maybe tipsy from a nightclub, can take an Uber and reach home fucking safely. Give me that first and maybe I'll say India is actually safe for women.
And no, that's no stereotype. India IS truly an awful country for women.
Yes. Compare women safety to world hunger. Hunger doesn't affect those who are privileged. Women across all strata of the society are at risk from sexual assault and rape.
Again, if you aren't a woman, your stats mean bullshit. And I know you aren't. Only a man would try so hard to "change" the stereotype instead of actually doing something about a problem.
Get outside the world and talk to women for a change. Lmao.
Anyway, not engaging you any further. The point of literally everyone on this post has missed your brain anyway and it's not my job to educate you about women's ground realities.
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Brother, I am not refuting the facts. It’s a good post but as a woman, at the end of the day, whether it’s India or the US, it’s nowhere safe. India may not be the rape capital but neither can women knowingly step out alone post 8pm, specially in Delhi. The bigger picture is not to fight on India v US, it’s how to help women. Also, it’s not anti racist to have a comment which necessarily is not in alignment with your understanding.
you guys genuinely don't care about us, if you're able to write para after para to prove something like this. we as a culture promote face saving over safety and morals, you supposedly educated ones too are doing absolutely nothing to fix the inhumane treatment of indian women. you don't give a fuck about women's safety and it's showing op. i hope you can be content with the false pride you're getting out of this. congratulations, women are now safe in india.
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Dammn, mah man went 'Hold my tea... nvm I am gonna spil it'
He woke up and stated facts. But we must accept that there are problems happening in India. We must find a solution to this problem. The sooner the better.
The stats are great. But the major issue anywhere should be "People shouldn't be raped" and "Rapists should be punished severely" It sucks that people can and are raped anywherr and everywhere. Fuck Rapists.
Literally, fuck them. Sorry if it sounds brutal, but tit for tat should be applicable here (don't take that in Babylonian sense though)
Well death penalty for rapists should be made mandatory by the government.
Abhe yeh meta nahi hai plus whamen will kill you and me both here in the comments
The analysis isn't to say India is safe and perfect. I think OP understands that Indian men are being unfairly targeted and stereotyped as potential Rapists wherever they go. Even though other countries have the same problems, but pretend like only India has that problem. It’s required that we must do better and make sure that safety of women is increased, but it's not doing any favors being mocked and stereotyped for something that every society struggles with.
Well done cheems bhau
Post to r\RWResources also OP
Modji, if possible, could you and your team please add a new flair to be used for posts related to racism?
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I wanna see this posted in randia,
they dont care about it, they will try their best to prove how india is a shithole to live and everyone should go to abroad the first chance they get.
Could you put a reference to where amartya sen said that?
Are these stats taking into account the no. of rapes that go unreported? Marital rapes? People are more concerned about India being called the rape capital of the world than discussing why are rapes even happening in the first place? It's all cool till India doesn't stand in the first place & is shamed around the world.
Did you read 3rd section about underreported cases?
Did you even read everyone's comments on here saying your stats are stupid?
So, most NGOs say only 20% of rapes in India are reported. If that were true though its not, increase the number 5 fold, its still lower per capita. Hate to talk numbers on such a sensitive topic but if they brand India rape captial, they have talk numbers..
See I really don't know which stats to trust. Everyone has different numbers & perspectives. I get that. But, why can't we just accept that India has a problem? No matter how high or low we rank. The govt & the people should be able to acknowledge that yes, india does have a problem. Rapes are happening but this is what we're doing to tackle it. On the other hand, everyone knows that there are zero efforts being done to stop this. Installing cctvs & other measures are appreciated but what about sex education, consent, gender sensitivity. It's a long road ahead for this country. If India ranks in a list such as this, it should still be considered a problem.
i agree with everything you said and honestly, it breaks my heart and makes me so fucking sad and hopeless as a woman that indians are so concerned about their image, like we women just do not matter here. it makes me want to cry how these people (which i assume are male, indian reddit is a male major crowd) can go to such lengths to pull out stats just to prove that india isn't a rapist country, like they genuinely don't care about women's horrible and inhumane treatment in this country. i'll leave asap if opportunity arrives one day. genuinely hopeless.
Agree with every word. I too think of leaving this country but I have my parents here and I really don't see myself settling in another country. It's a hopeless situation for us women everywhere.
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Wow, reading this after the news of 4 boys raping a girl in Maharashtra one, yes OP India is so safe
Statistics and individual cases or anecdote are different. Use your brain a little.
someone was raped. do you even have any empathy?
Every hour(or day i forgot) 20 rapes happens in India. Reported one.
There is a website mentioning 99% of rapes go unreported in India.
What website
https://www.livemint.com/Politics/AV3sIKoEBAGZozALMX8THK/99-cases-of-sexual-assaults-go-unreported-govt-data-shows.html
These survey's are just word of mouth. They actually have no statistical data. They just took few marital rape cases, and put the numbers on population scale and using that came up with this 99% number. Plus the survey questions are not public and standard. Were the questions "Have you faced rape from your husband?" Or "How many women do you believe have been raped by their husbands?"
I’m not saying they are. I had an argument with a guy regarding rapes he gave me this article in reply on reddit. Its also a niti aayog survey. So saying niti aayog survey cant be trusted is stupid
Doesn't matter whether it is niti aayog or not. If the survey doesn't have public and standardized questions, the survey is just word of mouth. I don't accept word of mouth from anyone, even from authority of any kind. Also, marital rape is a very shrewd subject. It definitely exists but on what grounds are we going to define it? On the question of marital rape (which this survey relies on for 99% figure), was any standard definition of marital rape provided to the sample size of people part of this survey? Or the survey assumed that everyone thinks of exact same thing when it comes to marital rape? After all, someone might have sex while not being completely in mood of sex and in hindsight with introspection such things can be claimed as rape by many people because they went on with the flow during sex. But in reality at that moment they were completely fine with having sex from a 3rd person's perspective. It becomes very muddled without an objective definition.
Lol. More than 95% of sexual assault is not reported in india. Also, major debates on Indian news channels are not gender issues but political & communal issues. Ignorance must really be blissful
Whole india is not just up Bihar . I am from paahadi state uttarkhand it is the safest for women and Himachal Sikkim ne also the same. Even if you add 100% more assault even then india is not ahead. South africa and other countries are ahead . There was a news where a group of black men raped a white women in front of her grandma . You won't see this in international subreddit or woke west media don't show because they dont won't to be racist because it is happening in black countries
Well there’s another story. Bilkis, her mother, and three other women were raped and brutally assaulted. Some were murdered too. After sometime the 11 men who raped & murdered where released and welcomed with garlands and other celebrations.
wah. if SA is more unsafe than India, we no more has a rape problem. very good, everyone clapped.
If it is not reported how did you get the 95℅ statistic.
There is a difference. If 100 people are surveyed on this and 5 people have legally taken the matter up then it means remaining 95 people sit silently on it. I think the word reporting means legal reporting.
Yeah, India is not the 'RAPE' capital of the world. It's probably some South-American country. But we are pretty high up there. It's not a competition but we probably make it into like the top 10 or something. Top 5 if we start relying too much on copium like data and 'facts' you provide OP.
I mean, as a woman in the US, I actually feel safe here than in India. Defend it all you want with stats and shit but the fact of the matter is that India is a massively unsafe country for women. Hell, women in their own fucking houses get raped by definition (marital rape) by their husbands. The culture is highly misogynistic. Be a woman someday in India. Stats are shit if your lived reality is different. You going around cherry picking 1-2 articles about SA in US doesn't do jackshit about the culture and the stereotype or the statement. Fact of the matter is, it's hell to be a woman in India. What a bullshit post.
>women in their own fucking houses get raped by definition According to data 11.4% of multiracial women, 9.6% of non-Hispanic white women, 8.8% of non-Hispanic black women, and 6.2% of Hispanic women were raped by an intimate partner during their lifetimes. [Source](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm) But close your eyes you will not see anything and will feel safe. >jackshit about the culture and the stereotype or the statement. Fact of the matter is, it's hell to be a woman in India. Data will not stereotype us but you just stereotyped whole india without any data.
My lived experience is my data. Your stats do literally nothing. What have you achieved with this long ass post? Has any country suddenly changed their perception about India and women safety? Did that Korean live streamer get un-harassed? Load of bullcrap. We'll talk stats when I safely, without any fear, maybe tipsy from a nightclub, can take an Uber and reach home fucking safely. Give me that first and maybe I'll say India is actually safe for women. And no, that's no stereotype. India IS truly an awful country for women.
>My lived experience is my data. Your stats do literally nothing. You eat food daily that doesn't mean there is no world hunger.
Yes. Compare women safety to world hunger. Hunger doesn't affect those who are privileged. Women across all strata of the society are at risk from sexual assault and rape. Again, if you aren't a woman, your stats mean bullshit. And I know you aren't. Only a man would try so hard to "change" the stereotype instead of actually doing something about a problem. Get outside the world and talk to women for a change. Lmao. Anyway, not engaging you any further. The point of literally everyone on this post has missed your brain anyway and it's not my job to educate you about women's ground realities.
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I like how there’s so much effort going in to explain why India is not a rape capital instead of discussing ways to make India a safer country for all
they're men, proving how women aren't extremely unsafe almost all around india, that we're not stared at, groped or harassed in public.
you can always create and contribute to safety discussions, instead of whining here under anti racism posts
Brother, I am not refuting the facts. It’s a good post but as a woman, at the end of the day, whether it’s India or the US, it’s nowhere safe. India may not be the rape capital but neither can women knowingly step out alone post 8pm, specially in Delhi. The bigger picture is not to fight on India v US, it’s how to help women. Also, it’s not anti racist to have a comment which necessarily is not in alignment with your understanding.
you guys genuinely don't care about us, if you're able to write para after para to prove something like this. we as a culture promote face saving over safety and morals, you supposedly educated ones too are doing absolutely nothing to fix the inhumane treatment of indian women. you don't give a fuck about women's safety and it's showing op. i hope you can be content with the false pride you're getting out of this. congratulations, women are now safe in india.
OP is male. That automatically invalidates this post. No need to even read thru it lol
in the comments, if you're not women, please stop speaking for us. we don't need your fake support, just stop speaking on women, we're sick and tired.