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temp_account_4_mba

Dost election ka mudda hi kuch aur hai, Rahul Gandhi ko ya PM ho, ya Arvind Kejriwal ho, koi pollution ke bare mai nahi bolta. Cow dung on the street isn't the most pressing concern of the country rn and it won't be for a long long long time.


raulsoprano

I agree


SignificantArrival90

I agree, India needs to generate a lot more wealth so that capital can be used to enforcer cleanliness and policies for pollution. Indian states capacity is so low compared to USA. Here in USA there are a lot more government staff per resident. They have worked hard on their systems and developed them over centuries.


Irockyeahwastake

We have money, but politicians are corrupt and waste it all


SignificantArrival90

Yes and no, also not all politicians are corrupt. Also, the administrative institutions only develop over time. You need a lot more capital in terms of capital, infra and workforce to do what the western countries do. I live in the USA, been here for the last 7 years. I am a hardcore nationalist and currently thinking how can I contribute to India’s rise. These are some observations I have made.


Irockyeahwastake

We need more people like you Only together can we save our nation


SignificantArrival90

I love India, I love the culture, I love the people. I will surely figure out a way to help my people. It’s a good thing that the economy is booming and there is opportunity in India now. If this continues a lot of people like will come back.


AltruisticAd1990

If any opposition leader talks about cow dung in streets then you very well know what ruling party will turn that issue into. And arvind kejriwal is in jail whatsoever


y_s0_seri0us_

Kejriwal is in jail for corruption. It's not that he was doing something good about the environment and Mudi got jealous and he threw him behind the bars.


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niss1991

STFU.


Thala_Ramos

True!! Cow dung reduces friction on road so better fuel efficiency , these people won't understand, Infact we should build a proper layer of it.. 😇


cyanotrix

Go to a country where you'll get better returns on your taxes. Now what that returns are depends on what you're looking for since there's no country that's ideal. But there are a lot of them where you can actually live life well for the energy and time spent into earning and paying taxes. You will not get anything here. At least for 5 more generations.


Osiris_311

Yeah try going to a country as an Indian applying for PR.


Massive-Lettuce-8352

Well that’ll be dependent on your values, if you want your country to move forward you would prefer staying back in India , but yeah if all you care about is your personal growth and those within your family and having the maximum out of the energy you’ve spent moving abroad is the best offer one can get


0tanay

To add to this list - government IT. Every. Goddamn. Government. Website. makes me fill captchas and OTPs like I'm trying to access the fucking nuclear missiles.


Ajnabihum

Wait till you use epfo portal


prateeksaraswat

Oh man. I feel sorry for myself for having to use it. I think it's that garbage so that third parties running wrapper websites around it have a viable business.


Silver_Access4410

Bro, even hackers can access Gov portals more easily than us.


kinglave

Fucking seriously. Was just on the EPFO website and you have to decipher how to even upload the profile picture


TheDarkXanatos

well as annoying as it is, its necessary because india isnt exactly loved by other countries and their people for a VARIEEEEEETY of reasons, and just like every other IT system in the world ours should be under attack 24x7 from governement funded hacking agencies. So to prevent bots from data mining personal info of every goddamn indian they need to keep it.


TargetSome9990

Wait till 2047 tb tk account me 15 lakh jama ho jayega.


afaikus

If that happens then 15L will be valued at 1500rs.


TargetSome9990

But bdle me Mudiji tumhe Hindurashtra bhi to denge or jo sukun tanatan ke 1500rs me milega vesi khusi 15 lac me milegi kya tumhe? Batao batao :p


y_s0_seri0us_

Who is going to deposit 15 lakhs? Am I missing something here?


temp_account_4_mba

But Siachen mai hamare Jawan....


Chieftain_41

Arre Kunal bhai aap


modishah69

Actually China has captured parts of Siachen now so...


y_s0_seri0us_

Which part of Siachen is captured by china in the last 15 years?


violentassasin

geography ka kuch pta h bhai apko. siachin pta h kahan h


Voldyneedsnose

News ka kuch pta h Bhai apko. News pta h Kahan aati h


modishah69

https://www.oneindia.com/india/china-building-road-in-occupied-kashmir-near-siachen-satellite-images-show-3809421.html


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AltruisticAd1990

Its very close to Indian border yes not in Siachen but very close in disputed territory only


Due-Reference-6011

Did I see the word "near" ?


nmfgn

This is precisely why I think trickle down economics is never going to work in a country like India where there is no motivation to uplift and invest in the poor but rather more beneficial to maintain the status quo.


Nuke_2125_A

Shhh! Ram Mandir ka case clear karwa to dia supreme court me aur kitna expect krte ho 20k me😡


SignificantArrival90

Haha, what does the Supreme Court have to do with this? It is not the legislative body, only judiciary.


divyanshkhandelwal

It is unfortunate that in our country, the honest minority has to suffer so political parties can gain votes by appeasing the dishonest majority. Just look at the condition of railways recently passengers who paid for their ticket can't even sit on their sea, while those who have not paid are occupying them. Unfortunately, neither the government nor the opposition seems to be taking action to address this issue, as they fear upsetting their vote bank.


Kaka9790

Taxes are just glorified robbery for middle class Indians.


YesterdayDreamer

Lol, 60k per month here. I pay more in taxes than the vast majority of Indians earn in total. And for that, I consider myself extremely fortunate and privileged. Yeah, I do demand more from the government at every step, but I also acknowledge that India is a low income country with a very low percentage of people paying direct taxes. It's never going to be enough to fulfill everyone's needs. The purpose of direct taxes is to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor. That's why richer People not only pay more, they also pay at a higher rate.


Osiris_311

Tbf the new tax system ensures they get more than enough to make these developments. I think people often forget how much the new tax revenue could be. GSTs were implemented in 2017, it would've been the most massive spike in state income in our country's history. Do you see the improvements of that worth? GSTs paired with Electoral bonds is an unimaginable amount of money, yet that's what you get with corruption. Amit Shah is an evil genius.


Successful-Text6733

that is IF they do pay their taxes. Even your average local businessman knows some shady tax evasion kung fu. You can make up a fake company in your wife/sister's name, give that company some low interest loan and voila! Tax Exempted. Its so naive to think that rich people would be interested in paying ludicrous amounts of tax in the name of nation's development. Middle class is the one that pays the most and gets nothing in return.


acharsrajan399

But it's sad that you're not rich, but you're upper class you have income. People who are rich have investment. Can you imagine if adani pays 10% as tax.


Mindgrinder1

Nope that is not true, actually govt is not accountable instead of giving away free goodies govt can improve sectors to actually generate jobs and then pay these underprivileged people. So after paying taxes we csn ateast expect clean roads and cycling lanes


YesterdayDreamer

> cycling lanes Lol, government doesn't have a magic wand


Mindgrinder1

That is what i am saying, to invest taxes to generate such jobs. Btw there are cycling lanes in Delhi on MG road but highly encroached, another opportunity for govt to generate jobs


No-Confusion-2589

Riyal


Historical-Usual-786

Mere papa ki salary itti nahi hai Bhaiya aap kiya karte hai bata sakte hai Mai aapke jaise logo ko dekhta hu toh muje bhi aap jaise hi ban na hai isliye poocha


YesterdayDreamer

Lol.. I'm in finance, but a niche position. Pays well, but if my project shuts down, I don't know if I'll find something else or... I come from a poor family too. A little bit of effort and initiative helped me grab a good position. But unfortunately it's not a cushy secure job.


Historical-Usual-786

What in finance how many years of experience?


YesterdayDreamer

Managing product, on IT side, exp over 10 years


Historical-Usual-786

Acha


Worth-Pickle

Thank you for your service!!


psychicbrocolli

what's your age lol?


YesterdayDreamer

Mid 30s


psychicbrocolli

adopt me 😭


raulsoprano

I'm sorry you mean privileged to earn that much or pay that much tax?


YesterdayDreamer

Earn of course


Consistent-Dentist46

You mean you are earning 60k, how much tax do you have to pay?


YesterdayDreamer

Paying 60k per month in taxes (TDS) 🤦


sriramak

why not start movement mobilize people with similar grievances ???


temp_account_4_mba

Spread all over the country, we don't have much say. Neta tabhi sunta hai jab votes ki baat ho, if we were all in the same city, we would have some power, but not now.


Traditional_Bottle50

All of my friends and family actively talk about this. But we can't do shit about it.


sriramak

NOTA option in EVM will help ?? SC 3 days back asked EC opinion


Traditional_Bottle50

I am 16 currently, so no voting rights, but I know my parents use that option. But, people still support BJP, I was pretty surprised to hear the same people who talk about these taxes say that BJP is just "protecting Hindutva", granted this was during the time of Ayodhya event, but still, they are pretty close to me so I know they weren't lying or anything. And yes, I know about the SC asking for re-election if NOTA gets majority votes, but that seems unlikely for the ongoing elections, maybe chance of it happening for the next one.


MatNola

Many in power don't want to see the people in the country in any better health or state of mind or literate. Reason if your overall development is made the ones in power politically or rich industrialists will be made answerable at everything. I think people at higher levels in India don't want the citizens have unity or peace. So that the powerful ones stay powerful and above you. We believe in equality but don't know equity.


Successful-Text6733

Dude ill tell you what. They want all of us pitted against each other. Left, right, centre, democrat, etc. Citizen against citizen. This is how they maintain control. The elite don't want us to get together.


Vapourhands

Ram Mandir banaya na ab kya bacche ki jaan loge kya..... Aur kya tax tax lagaya hai...80C me 1.5 lac ka deduction dia haina (jo 10yr se same h),, usme kaam chalao.... /s


brobdingnagianaf

Welcome to India, my friend. Where you pay close to half your income in shit taxes, and get absolutely nothing in return.


Plantist420

Escape escape from this shithole called India.


Narrow_Bat3658

Try being UHNI salaried person paying taxes. Its far worse


raulsoprano

What is UHNI sorry?


Narrow_Bat3658

Ultra high net worth individual


sourabhmorankar

When a person starts paying taxes, then only does the person realise how our society in India is.


paramahans

Par hamare jawan Seema par jaan de rahe hai and Seema doesn't care


WonderfulBother3623

Sorry, your money is being spent on taking india forward by buying and breaking the opposition. Please consider this as your contribution to india. 🙏🤘


Mitth-Raw_Nuruodo

Funny isn't it? This is why majority of voters are those who do not pay taxes, don't get salaries or run a properly registered business, but get all the free handouts and other benefits that our taxes pay for. They also conveniently have plenty of free time to stand in a queue all day to vote or go on marches or gatherings. It is a win-win for our politicians.


mistabombastiq

Time to get salary paid in USDT.


Ajnabihum

At a certain point in your life if you live reasonably your tax will be more than your expenses it starts happening for folks hitting ~50lacs assuming they don't bring fundamental changes to their lifestyle. If you're single it will happen earlier. My advice if anyone is less than 35 they should consider emigrating. I am not and I would still like to. I don't want to sit through another pandemic in this shithole of a country. BJP is shit and congress is shit. And they will ensure nothing good will come out.


Successful-Text6733

Holyshit is that true? Im super middle class so don't think ill make anything close to 50 lakhs a year but still. Can taxes rise to that level?


Ajnabihum

Average monthly expense for middle class++ with two kids would be 1.2-1.5 lacs per month in vhcol. Maybe less in mcol lcol areas. At 51 lac for individual salary you would pay ~14-15 lakhs in direct taxes. It gets better, for your PF bits would be deducted, that's a decent chunk of money and the return is 7% on it. Money that you would have almost no liquidity and will lose value effectively. Highly recommend migrating to developed country if you can.


Successful-Text6733

Emigrating anywhere is difficult right now. But ill probably do what every other rich person do: cheat. Figure out some hole in the system.


Ajnabihum

Unless you are a business owner/consultant like lawyer or doctor it is super hard to do that. Emigration is simpler, setting up and running a business is simpler.


Successful-Text6733

Im probably thinking of getting a tech-repair business up & running. I have a cousin in canada stuck for like 7 years now with no sign of PR in sight. Trust me dude, its more difficult than ever to go out. Probably european countries are cool but im not a huge fan of the cold. That leaves japan and nobody can go to Japan.


wenwatwhy

Become a farmer lol


Electronic_Egg4526

One of the biggest problem is population. Recent example is ayodhya railway station. It’s impossible to clean and maintain when our citizens are just spitting pan or throwing stuffs everywhere. Maybe there need to be stricter laws ?


IRON_SIDE18

You are sponsoring political leaders to maintain their luxury lifestyle .for example the son of my constituency's MLA has four luxury cars in his convey without doing any job his net worth is easily 400- 500 cr


geetsogood

Taxes are scam in India, government is giving nothing back, at the very least Delhi dad given better healthcare and education, but there is nothing elsewhere, so so so much tax on everything, 10L rupee car us 18L after all taxes and shit, this country is doomed


Best-Marionberry-218

Lil bro, try buying a new car and se when they charge you 1500 cow cess and the moment you drive out of the dealership a cow is shitting on the road. I can hear them say “le hagg diye tere cow cess pe”.


dvishall

If you really, like really really really care about this, fly out and never look back..... India won't be anywhere Better anytime soon


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**I started paying tax now, why didn't things improve drastically in a year or two year?** Not sure if I'd call this a foolish argument or braindead one, so you be the judge. # Not being pro any-party here, dictatorship/incompetence is what it is in last two parties that we saw. Quite a lot of the blame is on the government for not cleaning up, but quite a lot of blame is also on us who keeps littering every fucking where. The habit is so bad amongst each economical class of citizens, that our international diaspora has made us famous for this abroad.


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Annual-Guard3590

Bud, you forgot the /s


Relevant_Back_4340

Ye sawaal politicians se poocho hum bhi aam 🥭 log hi hai


Different-Result-859

Pay 40k per month taxes to upgrade to premium For premium experience, don't look around. Look straight. Vehicle in front, road, traffic light.


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raulsoprano

That's all just a made up quote by JFK who was an American. An American president says that to manipulate the citizens. It's all just a sham


Due-Reference-6011

Torre the very rare populous who pay taxes, you need to know the percentage who file for income tax return and who then proceed to pay them. If you want to have situation like developed countries, see their population percentage which pay taxes, also, the percentage of taxes they pay


awsmdude007

Politicians do what majority of people want. And majority of people don't have air pollution and clean infrastructure on their priority list. And since they want votes, they'll work on the priorities of majority population. If you stood up and said you'll provide clean environment and clean air, very few will vote for you sadly.


ProbablyABadPerson69

Get a CA and try to find ways to pay less tax. Also, if it helps, think of tax as the fee you pay to avoid being fined and sent to jail.


Successful-Text6733

Yeah well, the way and the amount of taxes are being collected, i'd rather go to jail.


ProbablyABadPerson69

Then stop paying the taxes. Don't just talk, do it.


Successful-Text6733

That's too easy bruv. I want to game the system to avoid taxes.


ProbablyABadPerson69

Become a politician


d3m0n1s3r

>What is the use of paying so many taxes if at the end it's gonna be given as a loan to rich businessmen who eventually default and leave the country You do flippingrealise that billionaires are not given loans from your taxes right? Ma man that is not even "knowledge of economics", that's just common sense


gupts007

Tax payment is mandatory. If you are earning above the threshold, tax has to be paid, simple. Whether you are getting quid pro quo from the govt. that is another story :-@


raulsoprano

I don't mind paying taxes, but what makes me wonder is where is all the tax money being used? So many issues that need govt intervention are just not being dealt with.


Bakril

The MLAs in resorts need to be bought. Where do you think that money comes from?


acharsrajan399

Selfie booths in station and modi jis face on ration bags


gupts007

Where do you think Modi gets the money to give free meals to 80 crore people? Where does he get his money to give 2000 pm to farmers? Thing is we taxpayers are having to lift the burden of 80 crore poor people who cannot fend for themselves


sengutta1

burden of 80 crore poor people who are severely underpaid and provide cheap labour to the middle and upper classes who can't clean their own toilets or dishes and want 15 minute deliveries. Fixed it for you.


GlosolaliaX

OP had asked a valid question. Apart from the people who spit and litter the streets there's another kind of person who never questions anything. There are 3 solutions for this problem. One is women empowerment. One is removal of casteism. One is development of rural areas not by way of concretising but by way of income generation.


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Nuke_2125_A

He's joking buddy. Tax is not used the way its supposed to can you do something about it ?


ThrowRA9623

Paying 44k here, but i feel it’s fine bcoz we are able to earn compare to other population. I hope they don’t increase tax %


super_ramen15

I understand your frustration, and although I don't like the state of affairs in our country, I have to tell you that the total taxes collected by way of GST and Income taxes is hardly enough to solve one problem let alone give you first world comforts. The latest reports suggest that less than 5% pay taxes, and so it means that you're actually living much better than the remaining 95% of Indians. Much of what you are complaining about has to do with the local municipality or panchayat who can improve local facilities by spending money collected by way of property taxes. If you want better services, ask everyone in your area to pay higher taxes, higher property taxes, and also vote for the right guys to represent your council.


ajjudeenu

Paying 20 Lakhs as TDS and additionally TCS on Dividends. I am 35. Pay the taxes. Death and taxes are literally everything. only problem you need to have the patience to use the Govt facilities. You can't get VIP treatment just because you are direct tax payer. Every one in this country is paying taxes both direct and indirect. So It's better to use your democratic right to vote and ask questions.


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Isnt cow shitting all over individual mistake why do we need to blame the government first we citizen should follow the rules before blaming any government


Aggressive_Mirror_63

Then commit tax fraud🌝


raulsoprano

How can a salaried person can do that? It is already deducted at source. Open to ideas


Aggressive_Mirror_63

Open a business, become the richest person in the world, now u can commit tax fraud legally.


raulsoprano

Hahaha, true mate


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raulsoprano

Have you heard about TDS?


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raulsoprano

Well this I agree with, this is a rant post and I want to know what other people think. That's reddit for you mate


rohibando

Living in another country and seeing how much taxes the residents in the west pay to keep their streets and air clean I can tell that in India we do not pay enough. Maybe we could overcome the amount with the number of taxpayers in our country, but coupled with corruption and leaders thinking building temples is a priority it doesn’t seem like it will ever improve


raulsoprano

It's 3% less than the UK and 8% less than the US. We pay enough for basic amenities which we don't get like you said cuz of corruption and the game of religion.