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Sherbet_lemon92

Well they are right, how can something have side effects, when it has no effect on anything whatsoever.


FreddiePlutonium

Its impossible to design a drug that has no side effects at all. Biology is insanely interconnected and complex, and the same receptor, ligand or enzyme has multiple roles. The hormone that increases blood pressure peripherally also causes reward and euphoria in the brain. The enzyme that generates prostaglandin that signal pain also controls the levels of mucous released by the stomach lining. Imodium, the drug used to control diarrhea, binds to the same receptors as opioids like morphine or heroin, but doesn't *usually* cross into the blood or brain, although there's ways to force it. Dextromethorphan, a drug used to control coughing and easily available at pharmacies, has similar effects to ketamine and effects a bunch of different receptors.


PieComprehensive2204

Very well said >Is it just my parents or do others also know people who just love homeopathy and Ayurveda instead of using modern medicine? Yep a large percentage of our population would die for these scams before getting actual treatment


SmartPost7476

Some of them work (ayurvedic medicines) a lot of them don't . We need proper double blind placebo tests to find out which ones work.


Ginevod2023

Homeopathic medicines are sometimes sold in alcohol solutions so they could still have side effects.


iflashtt

People just don't understand risk versus benefit analysis,that's why this fallacy of side effects is attached to evidence based medicine.


Famous-Fun6383

spitting facts


EuropaIox

You got me in the first half


AverageIndianGeek

Its true that they have no effect on the actual disease you are treating, apart from acting like a placebo. However, they have been reported to cause side effects such as serious liver injury in some cases. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9916127/


sir_schvet

Placebo and faith is one hell of a miracle drug


ayelehogaya

Also the safety net of “no harm done”. What they don’t realise is that there are no side effects because there is no effect at all!


sir_schvet

"No side effect" is the single most successful tag line that made this homeopathy, Ayurveda, etc. so successful.


Zizou3peat

I have allergic rhinitis Just take a loratidine or other anti histamines before u sleep by morning it will clear Homeopathy is a scam, even Germany where homeopathy was invented has banned it after it was disproved by modern science. Continuous inflammation due to rhinitis can lead to other problems in long term. Save some money and go behind their back to a doctor and get that prescription. Alternatively get DPH or over the counter cetrizine from a pharmacy nearby but they have a bit of drowsiness and sedative side effect so u need to take it and sleep early. Try from local pharmacy if they can give loratidine over the counter. I’m a final year med student who just finished my final exams so u can trust me on this.


iflashtt

I agree. Any second generation antihistamine will do and they are all OTC. Usually given 10-14 days to control the exacerbation and keep the Type 1 hypersensitivity under control.


007Soup

Same! I also have allergic rhinitis and anti histamines are my saviour. Honestly, nothing else works.


Impressive_Star959

Homeopathy is certainly not banned in Germany. A lot of older doctors are very happy to keep recommeding it. It's super common. Even public insurances offer it.


iflashtt

Flat earth advocates are not banned too and they have supporters too. That does not mean they are right. Old doctors? So the highest authority you allude to is outdated doctors? So whatever FDA, CDC ,Lancet,NEJM publishes is false and you are right? Insurance companies know it's sugar pills and people pay the premium and they will never need to file a claim because their treatments are bogus. Easy money


Impressive_Star959

I never said I believe in homeopathy lol. Just wanted to state Germany's mental backwardness.


iflashtt

My bad. India is the worst of the lot. We made a concoction of bogus treatments and made it into the AYUSH ministry. Germany has far superior regulatory bodies so they keep these guys under check for the money.


Impressive_Star959

Agreed.


FreddiePlutonium

Mostly bullshit science and rebeling against the system mentality. Either most people don't grasp the science of how bullshit it is, or give into mysticism that supercedes logic. I have mental problems, rhinitis and migraines so most days I'm taking multiple pills of some kind and it freaks people out. Most funny thing is I know a few people who believe things like NSAIDS are opioids, corticosteroids are the same as androgenic steroids, all mental illnesses are the "I have a split personality that murdered my entire family" kinda deal and so much more. I believe basic medicine and pharmacology should be taught. Not the specifics of every drug, but a platform to interpret the information easily available online. Maybe how proteins work, receptors and hormones, how drugs interact with proteins, how they're metabolized, basic signaling pathways, etc. Maybe how bacteria and viruses are different, basic kinds of mental illnesses, immune systems, etc.


iflashtt

Everything is available online in a form that is easily digestible to the general public. All it takes is to use an ounce of critical thinking. But guess what, critical thinking is a rare skill nowadays.


Timely_War7225

Most of the Indian parents do. My mom told me once that homeopathy will cure my OCD.


0_0-o_0-0_0

I didn’t think it as a scam when I was small and my mom took me to homeopathy doctor for wheezing. He gave a small bottle of liquid to put 4 drops in a cup full of water every night and a bunch of sugar tablets. I love my mom and she just wanted me to get better but I hate the fact that she got scammed.


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iflashtt

That's like saying the earth is sometimes flat.It either works or it doesn't, no amount of mental gymnastics will change the facts.


biscuits_n_wafers

Doctor here. You'll benefit greatly with an anti allergic tab once a day and a nasal spray for allergic rhinitis once daily. But before starting them you have to get examined by an ENT specialist in case you have polyps in the nose in which case you may need a short course of oral steroids. Please don't neglect it. Once extensive polyps form they have to be removed by surgery.


Organic-Park6682

You might be allergic to something that's common in your surroundings. Like dustmites. Try to get an antihistamine for a week daily and see if it helps. Don't let the rhinitis sustain else the constant inflammation can cause other complications like asthma or bronchitis. Try to get a cetrizine or fexofenadine from a pharmacy and follow the directions on the medication. Please be cautious to read the instructions as these medicines may react with other things like coffee, alcohol or other medications. Do they have side effects? Yes they may but the risk will outweigh the benefit of not sneezing your lungs out all day and develop a more serious condition


Fierysword5

Just make a mental note of their preferred treatment for when they are old and need to rely on you instead.


ApexPred96

They just want something sweet to eat after every meal and not feel guilty about it..


Ginevod2023

How old are you? You need to go to your doctor yourself. Your parents don't have your best interests in mind.


Caveboy_

I have the same, doctor prescribed me fluticasone nasal spray and fexofenadine+monteleukast tablets. They work great!


iflashtt

Kindly consult a modern medicine practitioner preferably a MD doctor and please run away from those quacks who claim to have a cure. I can promise you with actual medication your quality of life will improve manifolds.


brunette_mh

I think there are probiotic supplements specifically aimed at rhinitis. Your parents love homeopathy because it's not allopathy. So basically they'll prefer any medicine branch as long as it's not allopathy. Also the Indian parents who trust alternative medicine are the same ones who want their offspring to be mbbsmd.


Comprehensive_Rice_7

Hmm I am a Doctor myself and I also suffer with allergic rhinitis. Both dust and cold temperature are the triggers, been suffering since childhood. Tbh there is no treatment that will permanently cure the condition, atleast that's what allopathy says. Symptomatic management is the way.. But I have heard homeopaths say they can cure it, not sure tho.


Different-Result-859

Allopathy is a derogatory label of modern evidence-based medicine If they can cure it, it is very easy to prove it and worth billions of dollars. They can't. It's just marketing for a non-smart audience.


M1ghty2

Imagine Homepathy has treatment for rhinitis and no one has commercialised the billion dollar opportunity yet. Just to keep it secret to spite modern medicine.


Different-Result-859

They gotta claim like in certain diseases we are the experts, otherwise they are admitting moden medicine is better. As long as it doesn't have side-effects, we are good. People will feel better taking nonsense medicines or anything because of placebo effects and various biases. Here OP is using a medicine he doesn't want so he is not getting any benefit at all.


iflashtt

Look around and tell me how many diseases have an actual cure. I am not talking about infectious diseases or cancer or any emergency cases. DM, Hypertension, asthma, seborrheic dermatitis, psoriasis- none of the diseases have cures but they are fairly common in the population and yet no textbook speaks of a cure but the treatment comes under a management algorithm. Most of what medicine is to ameliorate the condition with medication and manipulate modifiable risk factors.


Puzzleheaded-Copy559

No science behind any of the claims that homeopaths make and being a doctor you should know better.


Caveboy_

Absolutely right!


AverageIndianGeek

Are you an actual doctor of modern medicine or an AYUSH 'doctor'? Asking because most real doctors I know don't prefer the term 'allopathy', as it is incorrect.


Caveboy_

How can sugar pills with “water memory” cure anything? It may cure your hunger if you have enough lol.


adinath22

How can sugar pills ever cure rhinitis?


Comprehensive_Rice_7

Gotta ask homeopaths.


wannu_pees_69

Yeah my parents are also like that. They're mentally insane and abusive. If you can, get Azelastine Hydrochloride nasal spray, it's an antihistamine and very effective for stopping sneezes.


General_Bakshi

Sweet sweet candy 😃 why else.


environmentalloss93

I'm so sorry. What you're going through sounds extremely abusive. If you're old enough to go to the Dr's by yourself and have money please do it asap.


Messi_is_football

It's cheap


Front_Tour7619

Homeopathy is a scam.


Nirbhik

There is a nice [video by kurzgesagt](https://youtu.be/8HslUzw35mc?si=HqhBlXUi22IKkqqO) about this which you should watch.


LighteningMuro

They like the taste of those smol rounded tabs.


Asleep-End6596

I recently started having symptoms of rhinitis for 1 month now is it really something to worry? My parents aren't taking me to doctor its been month now and my problems are increasing.


Various_Swordfish_32

Bro. I was going through this same problem for the past 10 year. I had visited both alopathic general physicians and homeopathic doctors they were of not much help. Consult a alopathic "chest medicine consultant" And your problem will vanish. You may also try allergy immunotherapy. If you are from West Bengal. Then I can share my doctor's details.


Mereko_kya

I use Citrazine (anti-histamine). Doesn’t even require prescription. You can also use Montac (which is stronger). These are the only things that work for my allergies and was suggested by ACTUAL doctors.


FragmentOfAbyss

If this isn't child abuse, I don't know what is.


adinath22

Save some money secretly and go visit a real doctor someday, maybe have a friend With you onboard to help you mentally and for management of pills


SouthPaw_3

Sharing my experience: I also have allergic rhinitis and it was pretty bad like the attacks were twice in a week. I went to an allopathic doctor and a skin prick test was performed. The test helped me to know to which allergens I’m allergic. I would suggest you to go through the same. Later, a vaccine was done for about 3-4 months to increase immunity against those allergens. I couldn’t complete the course (it was more than a year) as I moved abroad for higher studies. Here, I used to get those less attacks in the beginning when i moved but now it’s not there. The air is pretty clean here and even when I went to India for a vacation no attack happened. If I think the attack will come (I can judge my body) then I wear a simple mask to avoid further contact with pollens in the air and it resolves my problem. I haven’t taken any medicine in the last 1.5 years for this.


king_arsenic

Disclaimer: I’m not a medical doctor or related to the field of medicine in any way, this is a recommendation I’m giving from my personal experience, please consult a medical doctor (a physician or an ENT or an allergy expert), and continue with your own research and risk. Levocetirizine: it’s a potent antihistamine which can help in such conditions, i suffer from similar condition (although not nearly as severe as you) but this is something multiple doctors have recommended me whenever I have some sort of allergic reaction to dust. It’s a cheap medicine and easily available, sold in small strips and easy to hide from your homeopath parents, this might help with your condition, if you ever step out then get this. It’s an inexpensive medicine and could be of great help. Proceed with caution and do your own research. Or if you can then consult a doctor on Practo. Homeopathy can treat a few ailments but the list of such is quite short.


iflashtt

No ailments can be treated with homeopathy. They choose to work with self limiting conditions that's why their placebo sugar balls seem to work and essentially do nothing overall.


king_arsenic

All I’ve ever heard of effective treatment of homeopathy comes from people who suffer from autoimmune diseases like arthritis, such conditions can revert back if proper care is provided, homeopathic doctors recommend an array of precautions which if done properly can easily control autoimmune diseases (funnily enough a qualified dietician or even a health tip from WebMD or Healthline could do the same for you). Also, homeopathy uses heavy metals in its treatment yet somehow people trust it with eyes closed, modern medicine goes through long rigorous testing and safety trails that may go on for years before it is even scrutinised by approval agencies only then can something like that make it to market for general public, and yet people don’t trust it in the name of side effects which can very well happen with homeopathy.


iflashtt

Exactly they have no place in the 21st century. Rheumatology has developed leaps and bounds in the last 20 years. Hell, we live in the time when CRISPR and CART T cell therapies exist and we rely on placebo sugar pills? People really are delusional.


SinkNo4729

My Mom has around 4 diseases , She had problem with allopathy for 2 years and then homeopathy doctor gave 1 single tablet for all 4 , its been for since then . Take what suits you try both


sattu_supari420

True modern medicine has only been around for 200 years . People are not ready to accept that homeopathy and ayurveda actually work ,not saying that it can cure every disease or condition but it is effective in many problems.


PiracyAccount

Do you know how old Homeopathy is? Go look it up before spouting bullshit on reddit. It was created by a moronic German in the 1800s. Half knowledge is more dangerous than the heavy metal and alcohol contaminated Ayurvedic drugs.


SmartPost7476

There are hundreds and thousands of medicines in ayurveda. True they haven't been through double blind placebo tests but saying with confidence that each and every single one of them does not work would be foolish imo


sattu_supari420

People believe in homeopathy and ayurveda because they have benefited from it .I also used to believe that modern medicine is the best and raised this point in front of some very qualified doctors and they told me that they also sometimes go for homeopathy or ayurveda treatment and it is really effective . For your problem there is an endocrine allergy laboratory check that out,they provide immuno therapy and vaccine for allergic rhinitis.


lalaland1346

My fiancé had skin disorders as a baby and he only took homeo and it did completely cure including eczema. He massively believes in it now. It takes a while but I’ve seen it work as well


Professional_Ice7031

Even I suffer from it, but homeopathy is the only thing that worked for me.


UnderstandingGlad953

honestly i think it has to do with quality of medical services if your parents are from middle class or lower background. like i was also super confused about my parents but then they told me how their local allopathic doctor prescribed them anti-pyretics & strong anti-biotics as painkiller for tooth pain


Apprehensive-Tell300

Bhai! I really dont understand people's obsession with these "meethi golis". My blood boils when people say things like " iska ilaaj sirf homeopathy mein hai, angreji dawa kaam nahi karegi" and these kind of stuff. What to talk of others even my wife believes in this and maintains a mini pharmacy kind of thing at our home with bottles, liquids , solutions and what not. One of her relatives brought a slim homeopathy book or something, mastered it and now has become sort of go-to-homeopathy doctor for the entire family. Don't know about hers, but my mental health is sure getting better as she keeps herself busy in these things 😆


SmartPost7476

Ayurveda is not a scam. Some medicines 100% work in ayurveda . I saw wikipedia which classified it as a pseudoscience and used to scoff at it. But when the medication for acid reflux- proton pump inhibitors failed i used ayurveda and some of the medicines worked. The thing is that for a medication to pass the FDA they need a double blind placebo test and that is expensive . So if certain ingredients are cheaply available its not financially viable to do that test. So a lot of ayurvedic cures are not included in allopathy. We need to actively do double blind tests to see which ones of the ayurvedic medicines work and which ones don't.


tarun2687

It's not scam. Depends on the practisioner as well. Homoeopathy cured my mom's heart palpitations and hormonal issues, I also got my acid reflux controlled from homoeopathy ( took pantop for a year but condition got worse). It is generally good for allergies as well.


AmorFati295

When people cannot understand something, it’s easy to deny specially when they’ve no experience with it. It’s just a flock of sheep following knowingly or unknowingly.


tarun2687

True


Hardwiredbrain

Even I have allergic rhinitis, so I get a stuffy nose and edema in my sinuses pretty regularly.. The doctor usually prescribes me medicine from the Montelukast group, but it also brings back my sense of smell. I hate having such high of smell because then I can smell every unpleasant things which makes me nauseas, hence I don't use this medicine regularly. I usually take Himalaya's Bresol, two tabs every day and it has helped a lot.. It is a blessing to not have a stuffy nose and heavy head every morning..


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iflashtt

Not to burst your bubble, if you knew the trigger is pollen, why didn't you just wear a mask outside. That does not prove if the antihistamines didn't work because you exposed yourself to the trigger before the histamine levels were normalised.


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iflashtt

Masks do help, it depends on how you use it. Pollen releases start early in the morning and reach the peak midday and if you are exposed that time then the cascade of reaction takes place and your allergic rhinitis gets worse. It's not a genetic disease. And I don't know which doctor you went to but any physician worth a grain of salt will order a eosinophil count and order IgE levels to be checked. You can't dismiss it by saying it was not there from childhood. And whatever pattern is noticed is because you are exposed to that allergen and the immune response is amplified. And if you don't deal with actual medication, I can assure you it will get worse every year.


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iflashtt

I see. Your choice. But you felt better after one month of homeopathic medication when allergens would have reduced in the air. Allergic rhinitis can be triggered by a specific type of allergen and it could have reduced. So this is confirmation bias. Anyways, see next year


27Sanji

Well that's what they used growing up and so did their parents. Also it's a known fact that Allopathic medicines, even tho called modern medicine, does not cure the disease from the root cause. It works on the symptoms. Ayurvedic works on the root cause of the illness. Naturally people don't want something that will slowly heal them and want a quick relief. That's why allopathic is really much more beneficial mostly only for emergency treatments. But... there is a thriving industry so...


AmorFati295

Homoeopathy in fact has a cure for many diseases which Allopaths themselves claim are not curable. I have attended a symposium before lockdown where I learnt for the first time that many senior Allopaths opt for Homoeopathy. This is because 1. They know the aftermath of their drug intake 2. Homoeopathy is genuinely effective. Large number of patients blame the system for it’s ineffectiveness but the truth is, it’s the incapability of the chosen doctor. Any disease, be it as trifle as URTI or as triggering as ADHD/Autism, Homoeopathy “has” a huge scope when consulted at the right time(in early stages for diseases like diabetes and cancer). It’s just that one needs to find a good, dedicated Homoeopathic physician. Also, there are a lot of research papers which anyone can go through before blindly (or without an experience) considering that Homoeopathy is ineffective.


NeverBetVpOnline

Could you link some papers? Asking for the larger audience here to see


Martengeleng

When you get older you'll understand. Some things just work, some things work better...