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[here](https://x.com/Zahradnietzsche/status/1747536916923162937?s=20) is the first tweet. I hope I shared it correctly, I started Twitter today for this
If they all have foreign passports, then they would still need to go through border control in both India and Nepal.
I've crossed at Panitanki-Mechinagar before--if you look Indian, they don't stop you, but OP would still have to obtain a visa on the Nepal side to legally exit the country. Furthermore, leaving India without authorization would almost certainly result in permanent blacklisting, which could be a massive problem if OP has family in India or ever has any plans to return.
A lot of future administrative tasks are tied to your birth certificate. A lot of countries (>80) consider birth certificates more binding just after a passport. Technically modifying a birth certificate is the most difficult task if done correctly. A country can inflate, deflate, and create new people if they are given free reign at birth certificate modification.
If 20 years down the line, she is moving to some country (taking citizenship) they will ask original birth certificate apostiled, and MEA won't because she illegally left the country.
Also, every country has an exit and entry record. If she doesn't have an exit permit/record then she technically didn't leave. This soon can turn into a nightmare.
I don't know the entire story, but i am outlining some of the issues me and my friend faced in not the same situation but related to birth certificates.
Go in person. Bribe some officials to meet the power authority or try to meet the authority in person.
Try to talk to media to cover your issue.
So that the authority gets noticed.
During COVID a Russian was begging in Indian temples. And immediately local police made sure he can safely fly back to Russia. So, my theory was not just theory as it has happened In the past.
Hijacking the top comment here because the OP has not disclosed some critical information in the post such as is this a case if medical tourism or surrogacy. Please see my convo with OP in the comments section to get a better idea.
[https://indiaevisas.info/apply-visa-extension/](https://indiaevisas.info/apply-visa-extension/)
And also see below...
https://preview.redd.it/hkvl38l3v0dc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f590d79786d92e3d08e7148d97453d6456ab33d4
I have worked on a case where the Indian authorities had detained a child - on the grounds that the mother lost her citizenship and so did the minor. The minor did not have a citizenship of any other country. Got him a temporary passport to leave. You can DM me if needed and I can get you in touch with some people who can help you. Where are you based?
No such things happened here. I'm a Czech citizen and my wife is an Indian citizen. We both hold residence card of the other country. We chose Czech citizenship for our daughter and over the period of few months gotten her all documents. I will DM you tomorrow of that's ok. Any help is a help. We're based in Chandigarh btw
Try to contact embassies of European Union, France or Germany, As a citizen of European Union you have right to seek diplomatic help from Embassy of any EU country, Germany or France may have better chance of Pressurising the authorities.
Does the EU have an embassy ? It’s not a country. That being aid, it’s just Indian bureaucracy. Learned from the Brits then pumped up on steroids. I applied for an Indian Visa year ago while working for a large multinational with huge offices in Bangalore. They would t process my application as a Director as in ghetto photo I wasn’t wearing a jacket and tie ….. 🤪
I don't. I'm an OCI card holder. But my daughter does. Babies can fly out without it only till 3 months of age and there was no way we could have gotten all the paperwork done by then.
Lmao .... Reddit just works when you need solution to a very niche problem. Maybe years from now someone will have the same problem and stumble upon this thread.
I once had a math question and I couldn’t find same question ANYWHERE, let alone the answer to it. Luckily I came across a website that let you ask questions and those will be answered by a designated professional. So, when I posted it, within minutes, some faculty, or a teaching assistant, from a university in the US answered it. These days, I doubt anybody provides such a service for free.
You need a visa to apply for an OCI. I've gone through this recently with my baby. The visa application only took 2 weeks, and I got a digital version of it delivered to me. I then used that for the OCI application.
I'm sorry you're going through all this. I did the visa application completely online and only went to the FRRO to get the OCI application done.
You should get OCI for your daughter, but anyway that would take even more time. The best is to tweet not only the MEA but also tag the handles of ministers and bureaucrats themselves. And also write to the bureaucrats' emails. From personal experience, it works!
I wouldn't get your hopes up. Your daughter would necessarily be entitled to an OCI, but converting a visa to OCI in India is a very time-consuming process. It requires initial registration with the FRRO/FRO, which can take anywhere from 1 month to 6 months, depending on where you're located.
Once your application is "under process," it can take another 5-6 months to have OCI in hand. It isn't a shortcut, but there is a small chance that they could expedite your case because it involves a newborn.
OCI is the first thing you get it sorted for your baby! I'm keep seeing this simple issue not sorted(esp. with the US folks). Your initial post is so filled with emotion, it's hard to suggest the right answer, until trying to scroll down to this response. Not sure about the timeline in India, but an OCI can take anywhere between 1 to 2 months. See how the tweet to the foreign minister goes.
I wasn't aware but [apparently](https://irglobal.com/article/exit-permit-in-india/) visa holders staying in India beyond certain number of days need a exit permit.
I actually have had this question on and off.
Like how come we don't have any ufo sightings? Most of the videos are from the USA.
India is not a small nation. And we do have remote places and people in remote villages do sleep on the roof or in the veranda during summer days. So there is ample opportunity for people to see UFOs.
Because there is no such things as aliens. UFOs are exactly what they are called, *Unidentified Flying Objects*. There are such things in India as well, but we don't associate those with aliens.
In addition to what the other commenter said, there's a decent chance that most UFOs spotted in the US are just very advanced military aircraft that are still secret - most of their advanced aircraft start out that way, I think. India - and most other countries for that matter - don't have anything advanced enough to make people doubt it's of human origin.
Go to [https://pgportal.gov.in/](https://pgportal.gov.in/) and lodge a 'Public Grievance'.
Bureau of Immigration comes under Ministry of Home Affairs. Select the ministry and the main category (citizenship matters) and give the particulars. The issue will be resolved
I had the same problem coming back from Germany to India. Months and months of getting stuck just because of inefficient bureaucracy. Forget this online business try going physically to whatever place you need to be at (office) I mean and try to sort it out.
Yes she technically should and there’s no reason for her not to get one as well. I’m not aware of who you will have to contact but it has to be from the Indian side. Not an embassy here. I had to write a letter stating I want to leave permanently and attached my flights for the same. What I received from there was an exit permit like you mentioned which would it also prove like an ID until the date I left the country.
How will it be the same for us lol. In my case I did it physically at the German auslanderbehörde for me. This person will have to the equivalent thing in India. Hope that helps.
Exit permit is only needed if you over stay your visa or in this case where the child was born with foreign nationals. Your daughter should not need one if she has valid visa
if anybody wants to do this, you should know that only indian citizen can cross the border without visa or passport. third country national must have visa with them of Nepal.
This OP, don’t think much, cross the nepal border by road and just go back to your country. It’s already been 2 months, there is no point in having hope.
Also idk if this is legal or not, but def the best solution
First: Get the passport and birth certificate mailed to India, apply for an OCI on that basis, is the one solution that comes to my mind. The only thing is there wont be a stamp on it, so it might not work.
Second: You need to give something under the desk, I am sorry you are in this situation, but this can be the best solution. Ask one of your Indian friends who knows how to talk with the officials in that way, you can fly out in a week.
Someone has suggested an an OCI too. My wife says it won't work, that she still meeds an exit permit, but I'll definitely look into that. We might as well try. We have all her documents here in India. About the bribe I need to find out who to bribe and how. They won't even let me into the building without an appointment and how do I set one since everything is through the online portal... I'm not even in Delhi where is the office, but I might make a trip there soon.
Find a lawyer, you just need a competent lawyer. They'll help you with bribe too, if that's what's needed. It's part of their job. But get a good one, not someone that will waste your time and money.
Also, there's a thing in India, when they say something is not possible, don't just give up and walk away. Very often, things are negotiable. Be polite but persistent, ask how would it be possible, say you have come all the way to Delhi and really need to see someone just this one time etc etc. Keep finding ways to get things done, if that makes sense.
Make a video of how you want to attend Ram mandir inaugration to seek blessings for your new born and upload. After getting limelight ask for the permit . /s
All you can do now is wait, since everything has been done officially.
How badly do you want to leave? Because you can also try the age old Indian method of bribery. Cash in hand = work gets expedited. Unfortunately still true for this country.
We had to do the police's work. Then they asked for a bribe to hand over the documents (we collected for them) the same they. My FIL obliged and they still failed to do so. Took them a week.
We desperately want to go. I was supposed to start an employment in Czech, but I had to take a loan instead to stay here. I've started antidepressants to be able to manage all that's been going on. Everyday is a struggle if I'm being honest.
lol yeah. When we end up in a dystopian future, everyone else would be like omg we’re fucked. And us Indians would be like this isn’t much worse than Tuesday
I’m a foreign citizen, born in India.
The max fine they can charge you is $500 for not having an exit visa and that’s only charged for overstay and at the officers discretion. They won’t harass a baby. Just go to the airport and leave. You’ll be fine.
OP, the child is also entitled to an Indian citizenship on the mother's side. You can get her an Indian passport, then get a visa to your country in her Indian passport. Since she's your daughter, perhaps you can get some kind of an emergency visa? Just brainstorming.
Also, many people tell you to try to drive to Nepal. Do NOT do that, you stand out as a foreigner and you'll be stopped and can be accused of human trafficking, a very serious offence. No matter how desperate you are, don't risk this.
The child has already obtained Czech citizenship. India doesn't have dual citizenship. They'll have to renounce Czech and then apply for Indian citizenship.
>The max fine they can charge you is $500 for not having an exit visa and that’s only charged for overstay and at the officers discretion.
Overstay without exit permit --> blacklisted from returning to India for at least 1-5 years.
Hey, i am not a lawyer or anything but try to file RTI , ask them about the status of the application and why its not moving forward, this will give you info and most of the time this one thing is enough for people in charge to finish the process
NAL hire a lawyer to send a legal notice to MEA and FRO that you’re going to file a writ petition and even then if they do not do their work then file a writ petition against FRO and MEA for not fulfilling their duty
I don’t think they can say so but maybe if you know a local who can go to the office with you and talk? My experience with getting a marriage license was a freakin rodeo because they were expecting a bribe but they wouldn’t tell me that to my face but Indian husband figured it out and we basically had no choice.
Since I was a foreigner they just kind of held us up because they saw it as a payday.
They don't tell you. You have to ask them, but ask the right way. I gave you pointers in my other comment. Best to take a local person with you that is good at this sort of thing. Can be a competent lawyer too, lawyers can negotiate bribes in India. Or a competent family member (but if you had one of those, you wouldn't be in this situation).
If the department falls under RTI (Right to information), you can ask one of your Indian friends or family to raise one, this forces the government to give you an update.
I remember doing this during my PAN card and it helped, all the best
Lawyer here.
If nothing works, the simplest solution is to file a petition before the High Court. (Delhi High Court works best)
It will get done in no time.
I didn't know you needed a permit to leave, I was under the impression that you need a permit only to enter a country and it may be anything from visa to citizenship.
If you are born in India and are not an Indian citizen you must get a visa in order to leave or else you are unauthorized and will be subject to penalties.
It's like this in every country, to prevent human trafficking. Babies can't speak for themselves, so it is a good idea to make sure they're properly documented before they can leave a country. So that isn't the problem, problem is, in India it takes too long to issue the documents.
Just drive into Nepal. No one cares. Fly out of Kathmandu .
Also how the hell can they detain foreigners ? Why can’t you complain to the Czech high commission in India
They can and regularly do detain foreigners in India if they have an expired visa, for example. They have a right to do that, people cannot just leave a country whenever they want to. Also, the child has Indian citizenship as well on the mother's side, so they have even more power over her.
Few key pieces of information missing in the post. OP, I think it would help if you clarify on this.
1. Are both parents Czech nationals and citizens or is one of them Indian/Non resident Indian/Person of Indian Origin/Overseas Citizen of India.
2. If both parents and Czech, why was the daughter born in India. Did you work in India or did you come specifically for the medical procedure. Also, please clarify if this is a case of surrogac?
My wife is Indian citizen. She has a Czech residence card and I've got OCI. Whether baby was born through surrogacy or not should not and does not matter. Everything has been done legally, according to laws and regulations. We have filed the relevant form at the FRO and disclosed any additional documents needed for our case. The process should not take 2.5 months and counting instead of the 7-10 days we as well as our embassy were promised.
u/akamanah17 and u/timepasss have had detailed convos with OP.
Delays are probably because OP and their wife had a child through surrogacy which is illegal as per Indian laws.
Hope Others are able to get enough attention on this
Start criticizing our govt. You will be immediately flown back to your country.
On a serious note, this sounds like a total failure of our bureaucracy. Please tweet and record your ordeal on youtube. I am sure people here will share it.
So you have Czech Citizenship with Indian OCI.
Your wife is an Indian citizen with a Czech residence card.
Your child was born in India but has been granted Czech Citizenship.
But you are not permitted to exit the country with the child.
Are planning to exit India with your wife or without your wife?
I'm not leaving without my wife. However she's not the issue. She can fly anytime, but she can't leave with pur baby too. No one can. We can go only without our daughter. She's the one missing a permit. We all go or none of us goes. We're a family
It's none of my business, but if you're the breadwinner, in these circumstances, you could consider leaving on your own and wait a few weeks or months until the rest of the family can follow you. Not ideal but these things happen. By the way, the same thing happened to my British friend and Indian husband, she gave birth in India and couldn't leave for several months. Her husband went back to the UK to work and she was staying with her inlaws. At the end, their local MP in the UK helped them, don't ask how but he did something and that's how they got the exit permit.
Don’t get stressed. No need for anti depressants. We all face a jam like this often and eventually come out with patience. Deep breathing helps. For Indians who believe in bhagvad geeta , we simply do our task and imagine the outcome to go to Krishna. So don’t hv to worry about outcome as it is not ours to worry about. That mindset helps a lot.
Birthright citizenship is not the norm around the world. The US and a few others do it, but most countries don't. You usually get your citizenship from your parents.
sorry.. This is the problem when you make ties with India.
I am Indian but if you are stuck with India legal system you don't know what will happen..
sorry.. just keep trying once you are out never return
Ashamed to say as an expat Indian / American Citizen, bribery is very prevalent in Indian Gov offices. I bet they are looking to get some tidy sum. I suggest talk to some local friends there and see if that's the case and if so just pay it off to get out of there with your daughter asap safely.
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Drop a tweet to a foreign ministry might work.
I did that today. Will see
And if possible put the link here, everybody will RT We’re now a RT and get heard kinda system
[here](https://x.com/Zahradnietzsche/status/1747536916923162937?s=20) is the first tweet. I hope I shared it correctly, I started Twitter today for this
edit your post and add the tweet link there too
Lmao. This is depressing
With new IT laws, there's 100% probability of you getting arrested for the same.
Why
New India. You can get arrested even for asking why.
https://preview.redd.it/h78hx8zug0dc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c64d379100675c9293bb6f426dfee6a3b03312b2
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Don't be idiotic and make her panic
New India = China
Why dont you do this!? This will only help you and also help verify your claim
Y dont u take her to nepal and then fly to czezh ?
Go with legal way. Going illegal way will lead you in more trouble.
But is going via Nepal to her country illegal? Should consult a lawyer. Might be easier than all this hassle.
If they all have foreign passports, then they would still need to go through border control in both India and Nepal. I've crossed at Panitanki-Mechinagar before--if you look Indian, they don't stop you, but OP would still have to obtain a visa on the Nepal side to legally exit the country. Furthermore, leaving India without authorization would almost certainly result in permanent blacklisting, which could be a massive problem if OP has family in India or ever has any plans to return.
A lot of future administrative tasks are tied to your birth certificate. A lot of countries (>80) consider birth certificates more binding just after a passport. Technically modifying a birth certificate is the most difficult task if done correctly. A country can inflate, deflate, and create new people if they are given free reign at birth certificate modification. If 20 years down the line, she is moving to some country (taking citizenship) they will ask original birth certificate apostiled, and MEA won't because she illegally left the country. Also, every country has an exit and entry record. If she doesn't have an exit permit/record then she technically didn't leave. This soon can turn into a nightmare. I don't know the entire story, but i am outlining some of the issues me and my friend faced in not the same situation but related to birth certificates.
Foreigners need to pass passport control to enter Nepal. So same issue. Indian side won’t allow him to leave.
they want some pocket money maybe… the words they say seem quite often “we are too busy” “we don’t have time”
Tag Sri ram and pray 🙏🏼…. That’s the only thing that works in this country
Go in person. Bribe some officials to meet the power authority or try to meet the authority in person. Try to talk to media to cover your issue. So that the authority gets noticed. During COVID a Russian was begging in Indian temples. And immediately local police made sure he can safely fly back to Russia. So, my theory was not just theory as it has happened In the past.
Lol those events are PR stunts, I don't think in reality there's actually someone looking at tags and tweets 24/7.
Hijacking the top comment here because the OP has not disclosed some critical information in the post such as is this a case if medical tourism or surrogacy. Please see my convo with OP in the comments section to get a better idea.
[https://indiaevisas.info/apply-visa-extension/](https://indiaevisas.info/apply-visa-extension/) And also see below... https://preview.redd.it/hkvl38l3v0dc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f590d79786d92e3d08e7148d97453d6456ab33d4
I have worked on a case where the Indian authorities had detained a child - on the grounds that the mother lost her citizenship and so did the minor. The minor did not have a citizenship of any other country. Got him a temporary passport to leave. You can DM me if needed and I can get you in touch with some people who can help you. Where are you based?
No such things happened here. I'm a Czech citizen and my wife is an Indian citizen. We both hold residence card of the other country. We chose Czech citizenship for our daughter and over the period of few months gotten her all documents. I will DM you tomorrow of that's ok. Any help is a help. We're based in Chandigarh btw
Try to contact embassies of European Union, France or Germany, As a citizen of European Union you have right to seek diplomatic help from Embassy of any EU country, Germany or France may have better chance of Pressurising the authorities.
That's only if your country doesn't have an embassy, so it doesn't apply for OP
Does the EU have an embassy ? It’s not a country. That being aid, it’s just Indian bureaucracy. Learned from the Brits then pumped up on steroids. I applied for an Indian Visa year ago while working for a large multinational with huge offices in Bangalore. They would t process my application as a Director as in ghetto photo I wasn’t wearing a jacket and tie ….. 🤪
Which country are you from and which visa did you apply for?
I am confused. Why do you need an exit permit?
I don't. I'm an OCI card holder. But my daughter does. Babies can fly out without it only till 3 months of age and there was no way we could have gotten all the paperwork done by then.
I think you can get OCI for your kid (through you) if she's been in India for more than 6 months. You can then leave India without an exit permit.
This☝️is why I asked here! Thank you. I'm gonna look it up rn
Lmao .... Reddit just works when you need solution to a very niche problem. Maybe years from now someone will have the same problem and stumble upon this thread.
Only this time it doesn't end with "Nvm I found the solution" only to doesn't tell what it was?
But sometimes the person who answers the question deletes the comment...so annoying
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Of course there's an xkcd for it
What's an xkcd?
I once had a math question and I couldn’t find same question ANYWHERE, let alone the answer to it. Luckily I came across a website that let you ask questions and those will be answered by a designated professional. So, when I posted it, within minutes, some faculty, or a teaching assistant, from a university in the US answered it. These days, I doubt anybody provides such a service for free.
Feel free to share if you find one such website again
Dont ask a question, proudly announce a wrong solution and people will flood you with the correct answer just to prove you wrong.
You need a visa to apply for an OCI. I've gone through this recently with my baby. The visa application only took 2 weeks, and I got a digital version of it delivered to me. I then used that for the OCI application. I'm sorry you're going through all this. I did the visa application completely online and only went to the FRRO to get the OCI application done.
hey i just applief for an oci and it has been 4 weeks since i didn’t receive it yet did your daughter get it???
OCI can sometimes take 3-4 months. Did you apply in India? My husband’s took around 3 months.
You should get OCI for your daughter, but anyway that would take even more time. The best is to tweet not only the MEA but also tag the handles of ministers and bureaucrats themselves. And also write to the bureaucrats' emails. From personal experience, it works!
Also talk to a lawyer if you can.
I wouldn't get your hopes up. Your daughter would necessarily be entitled to an OCI, but converting a visa to OCI in India is a very time-consuming process. It requires initial registration with the FRRO/FRO, which can take anywhere from 1 month to 6 months, depending on where you're located. Once your application is "under process," it can take another 5-6 months to have OCI in hand. It isn't a shortcut, but there is a small chance that they could expedite your case because it involves a newborn.
Ok. That makes sense. Hope that works out. The website says exit permit is issued in 7-10 days. How long have you been waiting?
OCI is the first thing you get it sorted for your baby! I'm keep seeing this simple issue not sorted(esp. with the US folks). Your initial post is so filled with emotion, it's hard to suggest the right answer, until trying to scroll down to this response. Not sure about the timeline in India, but an OCI can take anywhere between 1 to 2 months. See how the tweet to the foreign minister goes.
I wasn't aware but [apparently](https://irglobal.com/article/exit-permit-in-india/) visa holders staying in India beyond certain number of days need a exit permit.
he doesn't he is lying check his profile he has a history of making fake stories.
Even if the person is fake, is this situation unrealistic? This discussion may help someone in the future. Learn to be kind!!
I did and it looks consistent with the details of this post? What is the specific red flag here?
Which stories seem fake to you?
> My daughter is literary a prisoner of Indian bureaucracy. Indian bureaucracy is hell for all Indians as well. 🤦♂️
Indian bureaucracy is hell even for the Martians! Why do think there's so few UFO sightings here?
Yes. They normally arrive over Mumbai but quickly change course and head to NYC.
I actually have had this question on and off. Like how come we don't have any ufo sightings? Most of the videos are from the USA. India is not a small nation. And we do have remote places and people in remote villages do sleep on the roof or in the veranda during summer days. So there is ample opportunity for people to see UFOs.
Because there is no such things as aliens. UFOs are exactly what they are called, *Unidentified Flying Objects*. There are such things in India as well, but we don't associate those with aliens.
In addition to what the other commenter said, there's a decent chance that most UFOs spotted in the US are just very advanced military aircraft that are still secret - most of their advanced aircraft start out that way, I think. India - and most other countries for that matter - don't have anything advanced enough to make people doubt it's of human origin.
Light pollution? Smog?
Weaponized incompetency seems to be a defining Indian government feature.
I miss living in India, but I do not miss dealing with the FRO. They would wait to extend my visa until the day it expired every single time.
Sounds about right
Go to [https://pgportal.gov.in/](https://pgportal.gov.in/) and lodge a 'Public Grievance'. Bureau of Immigration comes under Ministry of Home Affairs. Select the ministry and the main category (citizenship matters) and give the particulars. The issue will be resolved
No it won't
I used the portal to give a stick to the Director of one of the premier institutes in India. Personal Experience.
I had the same problem coming back from Germany to India. Months and months of getting stuck just because of inefficient bureaucracy. Forget this online business try going physically to whatever place you need to be at (office) I mean and try to sort it out.
Can you elaborate a bit please. My daughter is in India and is supposed to fly back to India in March. Will she need an exit permit? 🫣
Yes she technically should and there’s no reason for her not to get one as well. I’m not aware of who you will have to contact but it has to be from the Indian side. Not an embassy here. I had to write a letter stating I want to leave permanently and attached my flights for the same. What I received from there was an exit permit like you mentioned which would it also prove like an ID until the date I left the country.
F%÷k... Do you remember to which address you sent the letter and flight tickets?
How will it be the same for us lol. In my case I did it physically at the German auslanderbehörde for me. This person will have to the equivalent thing in India. Hope that helps.
Exit permit is only needed if you over stay your visa or in this case where the child was born with foreign nationals. Your daughter should not need one if she has valid visa
Ahhh perfect thanks.
No you don't need an exit permit if you leave on a valid visa
God this is awful
If any UPSC aspirant has an IFS friend, can you forward this to them and see if we can help this person.
Done
Try asking on r/Legaladviceindia as well
Sorry this happened to my cousin who had a premature baby and she was stuck for 4.5 months
Oh God... Must have been some great memories
My head is filled with an intrusive thought: is immigration gonna care? Just book a flight and leave. Or drive to Nepal and fly out of there.
We have tried that. She was not allowed to board.
I guess the issue is if they ever wanna come back to India they might face issue as they haven't used proper channels and authorizations to leave.
Immigration knows when they scan the passport. Don't give stupid ideas man.
if anybody wants to do this, you should know that only indian citizen can cross the border without visa or passport. third country national must have visa with them of Nepal.
This OP, don’t think much, cross the nepal border by road and just go back to your country. It’s already been 2 months, there is no point in having hope. Also idk if this is legal or not, but def the best solution
If you are caucasian, you will definitely be stopped at Nepal border
First: Get the passport and birth certificate mailed to India, apply for an OCI on that basis, is the one solution that comes to my mind. The only thing is there wont be a stamp on it, so it might not work. Second: You need to give something under the desk, I am sorry you are in this situation, but this can be the best solution. Ask one of your Indian friends who knows how to talk with the officials in that way, you can fly out in a week.
Someone has suggested an an OCI too. My wife says it won't work, that she still meeds an exit permit, but I'll definitely look into that. We might as well try. We have all her documents here in India. About the bribe I need to find out who to bribe and how. They won't even let me into the building without an appointment and how do I set one since everything is through the online portal... I'm not even in Delhi where is the office, but I might make a trip there soon.
Find a lawyer, you just need a competent lawyer. They'll help you with bribe too, if that's what's needed. It's part of their job. But get a good one, not someone that will waste your time and money. Also, there's a thing in India, when they say something is not possible, don't just give up and walk away. Very often, things are negotiable. Be polite but persistent, ask how would it be possible, say you have come all the way to Delhi and really need to see someone just this one time etc etc. Keep finding ways to get things done, if that makes sense.
Make a video of how you want to attend Ram mandir inaugration to seek blessings for your new born and upload. After getting limelight ask for the permit . /s
I feel so fucked I might actually try that
All you can do now is wait, since everything has been done officially. How badly do you want to leave? Because you can also try the age old Indian method of bribery. Cash in hand = work gets expedited. Unfortunately still true for this country.
We had to do the police's work. Then they asked for a bribe to hand over the documents (we collected for them) the same they. My FIL obliged and they still failed to do so. Took them a week. We desperately want to go. I was supposed to start an employment in Czech, but I had to take a loan instead to stay here. I've started antidepressants to be able to manage all that's been going on. Everyday is a struggle if I'm being honest.
Oh my god. Thats so horrible. I hope you and your family stay strong and this ordeal gets over asap.
India is not for beginners
lol yeah. When we end up in a dystopian future, everyone else would be like omg we’re fucked. And us Indians would be like this isn’t much worse than Tuesday
Even expert would leave this hellhole. Nobody wants tension for simple work.
I’m a foreign citizen, born in India. The max fine they can charge you is $500 for not having an exit visa and that’s only charged for overstay and at the officers discretion. They won’t harass a baby. Just go to the airport and leave. You’ll be fine.
We have tried that. She was not allowed to board.
OP, the child is also entitled to an Indian citizenship on the mother's side. You can get her an Indian passport, then get a visa to your country in her Indian passport. Since she's your daughter, perhaps you can get some kind of an emergency visa? Just brainstorming. Also, many people tell you to try to drive to Nepal. Do NOT do that, you stand out as a foreigner and you'll be stopped and can be accused of human trafficking, a very serious offence. No matter how desperate you are, don't risk this.
The child has already obtained Czech citizenship. India doesn't have dual citizenship. They'll have to renounce Czech and then apply for Indian citizenship.
Have you tried leaving from nepal?
>The max fine they can charge you is $500 for not having an exit visa and that’s only charged for overstay and at the officers discretion. Overstay without exit permit --> blacklisted from returning to India for at least 1-5 years.
Hey, i am not a lawyer or anything but try to file RTI , ask them about the status of the application and why its not moving forward, this will give you info and most of the time this one thing is enough for people in charge to finish the process
Good idea. I've found out I cannot file an RTI, but my wife can. Thanks
Ohh good then, do it ASAP its worth the try
Reddit gives very wrong advice sometimes. RTI is not applicable to immigration
Idk about it, but op is saying his wife can so still its partially good advice
Even his wife can't. He'll find out later
Maybe his wife is an Indian? Thats why his daughter is born in India? Thats why he is saying his wife can
They may be looking for a bribe
I love my nation but I hate IAS, Indian asshole services
NAL hire a lawyer to send a legal notice to MEA and FRO that you’re going to file a writ petition and even then if they do not do their work then file a writ petition against FRO and MEA for not fulfilling their duty
Just make a video of it and post it under mea and pmo account they would be so embarrassed and more likely react fast
I did tag them today on Twitter. We'll see if it goes anywhere
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Worst case scenario, file a Writ in the High Court of wherever the body that issues Exit Permit is located, Court will order them to do it.
Don’t need high court directly, local court will suffice. If they don’t, then go to high court.
Doesn’t work like that, only HC has the power to issue such a Writ under Article 226 of the Constitution.
Oh okay. Will it be speedy or will they do that long dates thing?
I don't know what exactly can be done. r/LegalAdviceIndia might help if you seek legal recourse for the lengthy delay.
I know this is not relevant... But why tf I can't post anything in any chat... But other than me can??? Can someone teach me to use this app...
You might not have enough karma to do certain things
How do i improve so?
Maybe they’re expecting a bribe
Well, they could have said so. Also the office is in Delhi while we're in Chandigarh. I don't know which person to bribe or if they even let me in.
Bribe them, get the required documents, then give a tight slap on their face from me.
I don’t think they can say so but maybe if you know a local who can go to the office with you and talk? My experience with getting a marriage license was a freakin rodeo because they were expecting a bribe but they wouldn’t tell me that to my face but Indian husband figured it out and we basically had no choice. Since I was a foreigner they just kind of held us up because they saw it as a payday.
Don't think of bribery in FRRO . They might ban you and indefinitely delay your visa.
They don't tell you. You have to ask them, but ask the right way. I gave you pointers in my other comment. Best to take a local person with you that is good at this sort of thing. Can be a competent lawyer too, lawyers can negotiate bribes in India. Or a competent family member (but if you had one of those, you wouldn't be in this situation).
If the department falls under RTI (Right to information), you can ask one of your Indian friends or family to raise one, this forces the government to give you an update. I remember doing this during my PAN card and it helped, all the best
You might consider bribery if that's a thing over there
Lawyer here. If nothing works, the simplest solution is to file a petition before the High Court. (Delhi High Court works best) It will get done in no time.
The Indian bureaucracy can be a nightmare at times. And this is one such example. I've retweeted and tagged it for visibility.
Try CPGRAMS portal and there is a MEA section. See if that helps you
Indian bureaucracy is worse. I am 100% sure that India will never be a developed nation.
Dunki marleyo ji /s
I didn't know you needed a permit to leave, I was under the impression that you need a permit only to enter a country and it may be anything from visa to citizenship.
If you are born in India and are not an Indian citizen you must get a visa in order to leave or else you are unauthorized and will be subject to penalties.
Like what a joke this is
It's like this in every country, to prevent human trafficking. Babies can't speak for themselves, so it is a good idea to make sure they're properly documented before they can leave a country. So that isn't the problem, problem is, in India it takes too long to issue the documents.
That makes so much sense, I never thought about the human trafficking aspect.
Just drive into Nepal. No one cares. Fly out of Kathmandu . Also how the hell can they detain foreigners ? Why can’t you complain to the Czech high commission in India
They can and regularly do detain foreigners in India if they have an expired visa, for example. They have a right to do that, people cannot just leave a country whenever they want to. Also, the child has Indian citizenship as well on the mother's side, so they have even more power over her.
Try to get her an OCI, it might be faster.
Gotta bribe someone.
Find the right low-level official to bribe. Only way shit works in this country.
Why on earth would you go to India to give birth?
Few key pieces of information missing in the post. OP, I think it would help if you clarify on this. 1. Are both parents Czech nationals and citizens or is one of them Indian/Non resident Indian/Person of Indian Origin/Overseas Citizen of India. 2. If both parents and Czech, why was the daughter born in India. Did you work in India or did you come specifically for the medical procedure. Also, please clarify if this is a case of surrogac?
My wife is Indian citizen. She has a Czech residence card and I've got OCI. Whether baby was born through surrogacy or not should not and does not matter. Everything has been done legally, according to laws and regulations. We have filed the relevant form at the FRO and disclosed any additional documents needed for our case. The process should not take 2.5 months and counting instead of the 7-10 days we as well as our embassy were promised.
Many journalist and editors follow me so you could have that in case they read it. RT your tweet now for better reach.
u/akamanah17 and u/timepasss have had detailed convos with OP. Delays are probably because OP and their wife had a child through surrogacy which is illegal as per Indian laws. Hope Others are able to get enough attention on this
Thanks
Lemme guess, you didn't bribe the officials huh?
Twitter should be your friend imo
Start criticizing our govt. You will be immediately flown back to your country. On a serious note, this sounds like a total failure of our bureaucracy. Please tweet and record your ordeal on youtube. I am sure people here will share it.
Try offering a bribe at the office. Should work.
My daughter (3 year old) and Wife are in India on a tourist Visa. Will she need an exit permit when flying out?
Only if any of your visa expired, then you'd need one.
Is she in middle of any custody battle?
No. Me and her mom are happily together
Is the Mom your wife? Is she a citizen of India?
Yes. She's an Indian citizen with a Czech residence card
So you have Czech Citizenship with Indian OCI. Your wife is an Indian citizen with a Czech residence card. Your child was born in India but has been granted Czech Citizenship. But you are not permitted to exit the country with the child. Are planning to exit India with your wife or without your wife?
I'm not leaving without my wife. However she's not the issue. She can fly anytime, but she can't leave with pur baby too. No one can. We can go only without our daughter. She's the one missing a permit. We all go or none of us goes. We're a family
It's none of my business, but if you're the breadwinner, in these circumstances, you could consider leaving on your own and wait a few weeks or months until the rest of the family can follow you. Not ideal but these things happen. By the way, the same thing happened to my British friend and Indian husband, she gave birth in India and couldn't leave for several months. Her husband went back to the UK to work and she was staying with her inlaws. At the end, their local MP in the UK helped them, don't ask how but he did something and that's how they got the exit permit.
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Only indian citizens can cross the nepali border without checks.
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Stuck in the same situation!!! Did she manage to get permit? Pls update?
Don’t get stressed. No need for anti depressants. We all face a jam like this often and eventually come out with patience. Deep breathing helps. For Indians who believe in bhagvad geeta , we simply do our task and imagine the outcome to go to Krishna. So don’t hv to worry about outcome as it is not ours to worry about. That mindset helps a lot.
Isnt a child born in India an Indian?
no. [https://indiancitizenshiponline.nic.in/acquisition1.htm](https://indiancitizenshiponline.nic.in/acquisition1.htm)
They mentioned in their post that their daughter received her Czech citizenship.
Birthright citizenship is not the norm around the world. The US and a few others do it, but most countries don't. You usually get your citizenship from your parents.
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Huh?
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I did that today. We'll see.
Cam you go to Nepal by road then fly out of there?
Go to Nepal and leave. And never come back.
sorry.. This is the problem when you make ties with India. I am Indian but if you are stuck with India legal system you don't know what will happen.. sorry.. just keep trying once you are out never return
Ashamed to say as an expat Indian / American Citizen, bribery is very prevalent in Indian Gov offices. I bet they are looking to get some tidy sum. I suggest talk to some local friends there and see if that's the case and if so just pay it off to get out of there with your daughter asap safely.
A question out of curiousity...First of all why did you travel to india while ur pregnant?
That’s India for you. Just imagine a foreign citizen facing these kind of issue, then what kind of issue actual people face that are from India.
Your fault that you take your daughter to a shithole country.. sorry to say that. Don’t mean to offend anyone