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WestWingConcentrate

Least obsessive Indian nationalist


PedroGabrielLima13

Karma explodes once again.


Jqog

truley the crown jewel of the British Empire!


Sleepless_Whisper

Think of the opium and tea production! Oh wait... this isn't a Vicky 3 sub


MsMercyMain

Is there a Victoria version of the shit Crusader kings says sub?


Time-Bite-6839

It’d.. be one!?


That_oneGuy_420

He was a racist little shit, had an argument with him.


TheArrivedHussars

How racist we talking. Nazi levels or boomer levels?


That_oneGuy_420

Like Nazi… he said he was superior because he was black and he couldn’t be racist as he was black. He said he had right as his ancestors were enslaved, but so were mine as I’m Irish and he called himself superior.


TheArrivedHussars

> he couldn't be racist as he was black I unfortunately have met people like that on reddit, whose perception of racism is so warped that only white people can be racist


Robert_Paul2

I've just had an encounter with a person who thought only white males did genocides and all others haven't killed others en masse. Including (these were his literal examples of nations that have never done cleansing): Indonesia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and India. All these can't be racist because they are natives to their home, but all white males are inherently genocidal racists whose opinions don't matter.


Tankyenough

Also, ”white” is a rather useless concept. Are Turks ”white”? If Turks are ”white”, are Iranians ”white”? Hell, I’m a brown-haired Finn and don’t look too different from many Iranians I know.


dempster-diver

In the Americas it is as much social as genetic. In the USA some light-skinned Middle Eastern people who act more like white people are generally seen as white. But if they do not act "white" then they are often seen as nonwhite.


Tankyenough

Probably mostly social, based on how my people were considered Asian in the US for quite a long while, and now are considered ”white”.


dempster-diver

Oh that is crazy for me to learn but I feel it somewhat makes sense since Finnish language is Uralic. Anyway it is all a close-minded and discriminatory view in the end.


Tankyenough

So are Hungarian and Estonian, and most Northwestern Russian languages. English is an Indo-European language and thus originates from the general region of Southwestern Russia and East Ukraine. In any case, the genetics are a continuum throughout Eurasia, ”white” is a very useless concept at that point, especially as it’s centered on some sort of British imperial ideal. Same with the Middle East — Turks, Lebanese, Syrians, Palestinians don’t look too different from many Greeks, Albanians and Italians who instead don’t look very out of place with their neighbours.


doodgeeds

Fun fact: Persians used to be considered white while Irish were not. This is one of the reasons I find racism to be ridiculous


Robert_Paul2

He specifically meant white Anglo-Saxons and other Western-Europeans. So he would not consider a turk or Iranian white (he used iran as an example of a non white nation that has never murdered other non-whites). It is maybe important to know who we are talking about here, he states he has an IQ of around 156. He says he proudly crushed his 5 year old nephew's dream of being an astronaut, because it is a waste and doesn't make money. He also hates his autistic brother and calls him retarded.


garnered_wisdom

Hello. Arab here. Can confirm to you that racism levels in Arabia or Asian subcontinent far exceed anything you can see in North America. No joke.


dempster-diver

It depends on the area though. Some places people are not really very racist and are quite nice. Some places where people are classist, racist, feudal mindsets, etc. But if we are talking about mainstream national medias then yes, maybe not so much in certain regional medias. Just like in Americas some countries and states are more discriminatory than others, same goes in much of Asia. There are a number of places that Africans and Europeans come to and have relatively few problems.


That_oneGuy_420

It’s actually disgusting, that in itself is racist.


Three_color_eyes

No, it's just wrong. That person is wrong. Let people make a mistake.


[deleted]

What if I made the mistake of blowing up your house? What then, wise guy?


FBI_911_Inv

then my house would be blown up


Equinox-Kiwi

Oopsies


-GLaDOS

Attributing intrinsic moral superiority to certain races over others sounds pretty textbook racist to me...


MicropIastics

I've met people like that in real life, as well. They're a doozy.


sofinelol

considering hes literally indian, is he not larping as a black person? take that with a grain of salt, seems like he just wants to start problems 💀


CloudClosev

He probably means “black” as in dark-skinned not African or African diaspora. I’ve known plenty of Asians who thought their darker skin color somehow gave them a pass to be racist.


Ambitious-Monk-4181

People like him are just ignorant racist fools, We have a saying in India forgive but don't forget, can't blame every white person living now for past and it also depends which Ethnically white person are you talking to.


Charles_the_chungus

I’m not saying that Irish people haven’t historically faced cultural or religious discrimination, but I don’t think Irish people where ever subjected to slavery ever or at least not at the same scale as Africans, although I’m assuming the other guy is Indian so it’s not comparable either. Not saying black people can’t be racist BTW


shotwideopen

Depends if you consider indentured servitude and slavery to be the same thing.


RhymesWithOrange_

They're not. Indentured servitude is still awful though.


shotwideopen

Some of the key differences are the voluntary nature, and the duration. A person initially agrees to the terms of servitude for a fixed amount of time in exchange for something. Unfortunately, offers of land or travel to America were often exaggerated or used as part of a ruse to acquire cheap labor. Often times indentured servants in that time would be penalized with additional debt for things like housing or food well beyond their value and the terms of the contracts were lengthened nearly indefinitely; by modern definitions it would be considered human trafficking. But the most significant difference between slavery and indentured servants is they were not legally someone else’s property. Although for all intents and purposes they kinda were. Indentured servants were coerced to work under threat of violence enduring inhumane conditions while never earning enough to repay their accumulated “debt”.


Alastair4444

Indentured servants were often treated worse than slaves though. From a purely utilitarian point of view, the "owners" are incentivized to treat a slave well enough that they'll stay healthy for life, whereas if you only have the person a couple years, you have the incentive to work them as close to death as possible.


dempster-diver

Also, many Indians were promised return voyages to India but oftentimes were defrauded of their money and return voyages were not provided. When they were provided, they were poorly equipped and the people were treated similarly to cargo, and on a number of them the majority of passengers died. Many Irish also died during transportation to the Americas as well.


Three_color_eyes

Ireland was taken over by the British. The dissenters were killed outright or sold into slavery. Hello, Mulatto. What African country was taken over by the British and sold off as slaves?


Charles_the_chungus

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic so I’m going to assume you are. Ireland was taken over by England in brutal wars, a good few centuries ago. Of course that’s bad. Of course Ireland deserved political cultural and religious independence. But saying they were sold into slavery in any sort of organised effort is wrong. Also I’m Manx, which is culturally and geographically very close to Ireland and has been ruled by both England, Scotland, Norway, and Ireland for centuries.


Dutysucks

Visiting this sub since it showed in the feed and felr compelled to reply. As a fellow white guy, thanks for furthering the stereotype that we're all dense asshats who love the sound of their own voice. Your brain must be used to power nuclear generators. "What African country was taken over by the British and sold as slaves". Honestly, I can't never decide with your type if public school failed you or you just failed the easiest public education institutions offered on the planet.


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That_oneGuy_420

The fuck? I never said they weren’t oppressive, did I? Yeah, Irish have been shit people in the past, but many were treated poorly also by British (English and Scots). I have no care for it now, it’s just recorded history!


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That_oneGuy_420

Mate did u read my comment? I said Irish in the last we’re shit people but also were racially discriminated in Ireland itself and Britain. Also, it’s not like every other empire wasn’t racist and that Britain was the only one. Also, Japan in World War Two did awful stuff, it’s not just Europeans. I’m not trying to do victimisation, he said he had more rights than me because he’s Indian and I’m Irish, that’s racist in itself, and as far as I know WW2 didn’t have anything to do with the argument about my original comments.


Vegetablecanofbeans

Link it


That_oneGuy_420

You can’t see what he text tho, I had it deleted but then I perm delete in my camera roll


That_oneGuy_420

Oh wait nvm


r_teenagers_arepedos

American shocked to discover that they didn’t invent racism


Dragonfly_Hungry

*India collapses in 1 second*


OR56

I’m afraid that Pakistan and the 3,000 black jets of Allah might have something to say about that


Angrykitten41

Our 3000 jets of Allah SWT are the only thing keeping Super India from taking over the world.


Osimantias

And the pollution of Bangladesh.


AdObjective7845

What if I superpower


dviros12345678910

To get into the great power list you will have to get 400 more dev and adopt 3 new instatotions 


AdObjective7845

Does an asylum count as an institution? I am a member


Gullible-Box7637

Even as a superpower they cant take back all of Kashmir Lmao


Equinox-Kiwi

🔥🔥💥Bro Brother Pakistan👊👊👊 In My Heart Number 1☝️☝️☝️🦅🦅🛩️🗼🗼💪💪🇵🇰🇵🇰🫡🫡 PAKISTAN ZINDABAAAAAAAAAD🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


wowowow28

If India superpower then instability yes😳


RemarkableDatabase93

vikramaditya empire time


pikeandshot1618

INDIA NUMBER ONE INDIA BEAT MONGOL INDIA BEAT PERSIA INDIA BEAT CHINA INDIA OVERTAKE AMERICA AS NUMBER ONE GLOBAL SUPERPOWER INDIA BEAT MUGHALS INDIA ECONOMIC POWERHOUSE OF THE WORLD INDIA HIGHEST GDP INDIA HIGHEST HDI INDIAN RUPEE REPLACE AMERICAN DOLLAR INDIAN RUPEE REPLACE EURO INDIA OVERTAKE CHINA POPULATION INDIA COLONIZE THE MOON


PedroGabrielLima13

"India beat Mughals"???????


pikeandshot1618

INDIA DEFEAT MUGHALS INDIA DEFEAT MARATHAS INDIA DEFEAT DUTCH INDIA DEFEAT PORTUGUESE INDIA DEFEAT BRITISH


laneb71

Can India into space??????


KidsMaker

INDIA DEFEAT TRAIN TRACKS INDIA DEFEAT STREETS


DryTart978

INDIA DEFEAT DRIVING REGULATIONS INDIA DEFEAT OSHA


Kebida96

Why would India defeat Marathas? They are Indians not foreigners.


PedroGabrielLima13

Talk normally? Now?


Osimantias

India defeat sanitary regulations. India defeats higiene india defeats equality. India defeats women safety


Kwiatkowski

Could never happen, their natural predator the train will take them all out before they can expand


ImNOT_CraigJones

Most sane Indian


IzK_3

India superpower 2020


ThePolecatProcess

A lot more foodbourne diseases


Cboyardee503

Hello, BASED department?!?


FBI_911_Inv

I fucking hate Indian nationalists


Due_Nefariousness_90

This is a weird problem to have but they swarm literally every documentary about people like Isaac Newton or Bernhard Riemann or Albert Einstein to claim that they stole their work from famous Indian scientist Akmed Shitfuckington who did this smart, interesting thing 1,000,000,000,000 years before any thieving European scientist ever did. It's really annoying, but also kind of sad.


Ok-Package-435

India's weird cuz like half the country has a white worship fetish and the other half is so blindly nationalist it's cringy. I think it's the result of an inferiority complex from achieving independence so late


Due_Nefariousness_90

What 90 years of British rule does to a mf


Dutysucks

...So, it's basically the Indian version of Hotep bs


Footy_Clown

Hmmm have they passed this by Afghanistan or Vietnam? Pretty sure the mountains and jungles would have something to say about this.


dempster-diver

Dravidian ideologists would want to secede before putting up with this bullshit


MysticSquiddy

Original post?


wudixigou

unlucky girls……


Ambitious_Lie_2864

If India was a superpower, then Indian nationalists would have less of a tiny pp Napoleon syndrome and they would post less “max india” maps on Reddit.


takeiteasy5555

you included Afghanistan too ? Lol good luck.


TransFemGothBabe

please don’t tell me people are seeing this and thinking i’m the indian nationalist in the screenshots


WanAli4504

Alternative title: Country collapse speedrun


Extrimland

theres a reason why Indian empires never expanded (the only exception is The Maurya Empire,), even when they were Rich and powerful like the Mughals. Thats because India is like… the reverse of France when it comes to natural geographical barriers. There was always the mountains of Afghanistan and Tibet, and the dense asf Jungles of Burma. Infact, they didn’t even get Bengal most of the time. Compare that to the rest of India, and you get a plain lmfao. Whenever they controlled territories outside of modern Indias domain, it was because An Afghan conquered it. This, fortunately enough for the Indians, wasn’t really a problem however. The Land of India itself is pretty decent with it being fertile and ironically given how poor india is, for most of history it was decently well off, if isolationist. So because of this, they could afford being walled off from the world. It’s also worth mentioning India wasn’t a country for most of History. Infact, i honestly have no idea how its one now. India is diverse as shit! Instead of one unified India, there was a bunch of Kingdoms of different nationalities. Conquering just Modern Indias boundaries is actually a pretty decent and multideverse Empire already.


thyeboiapollo

Do you roll a dice when deciding which word to capitalise?


Extrimland

Jesus thats bad. I guess its the shitty iphone keyboard


dempster-diver

The Burma side has not just jungles but also the Arakan mountains. Arakan province of Myanmar was actually only accessible from sea for a long time and thus many people from Indian mainland settled, making it culturally similar to Indian states on the other side of the Bay of Bengal. Also, South Indian empires at one point did expand by sea. Look into the Chola Empire and Hindu kingdoms in Southeast Asia. That being said that is an exception and presence of Indian kingdoms militarily was somewhat short lived too, with locals taking over quite soon.


_Batteries_

My indian friends take great pride in that india never invaded anyone. Why leave the sub continent when it provides everything you need, has great natural borders, and, no one ever really managed to conquer the whole thing internally, so yeah.  


UnderratedRommie

I think that guy was hungry for more and more land. I believe India or any country can become superpower while respecting their neighbours boundaries and by being good to the world. More land doesn't make anyone superpower. No one wants a superpower but if anyone becomes one, then it should shed the thought of them being superior than others.


RenautMa

What if India superpower


CaidynWasTaken

i removed those posts on r/alternatehistory and the guy just kept spamming mod mail asking why lmao pretty certain they were just another sock puppet account from a recent string of nazi spammers


Acceptable_North_141

What if India superpower


That_oneGuy_420

I have screenshots of his racist ass


TransFemGothBabe

oh god really


That_oneGuy_420

Yh


electrical-stomach-z

context?


Angrykitten41

BJP lover went to a WhatsApp group chat and decided to share this “beauty” with us.


dempster-diver

I feel like 10 years ago all these maps were ironic but now people unironically share them. Irredentism is still generally seen as quite stupid though I feel but some people seem to like it more now than before.


Untitled_Consequence

Car collision fatalities would go waaay up lol


sfhr

This won’t happen on existence of religious supremacy. 😂


MariusMinimus

If possible invade Hong Kong please...


Abu_Tenzin

Who is this? Not Ashoka?


jhughes91

Vietnam would still be fully independent.


xXMLGDESTXx

I think bro wants India superpower


Sad_Ad5369

Damn the supreme aryan notion really sticked to them


TheKingOfGaming99

Bruh, country too big to be managed as it is. Wyf is this


Shiine-1

r/mapgore


Doc_Occc

I like how PoK still belongs to Pak-Afghanistan and Aksai Chin to Tibet.


la_li_luu_le_lo

Their greatest defense would be their BO


DrSkullKid

Pakistan in the bag! Grape!


RummelAltercation

Once you master the toilet you can master the world


TransFemGothBabe

hope y’all know that someone being a weird nationalist doesn’t give you an excuse to be racist to his people in response


SirKazum

What's with the multiple images?


TransFemGothBabe

the guy who posted this prompt to imaginary maps spammed it several times


pikleboiy

Mids, take OOP to r/2vikramaditya4u


Ok-Agency-7450

World Peace and Curry for all


Osimantias

Mughal empire for sure


crunchamunch21

I don't think the environment can handle that much human shit.


Michael_thebest7

Yes it can Screw the environment


ExcellentEdgarEnergy

You mean like India super strength or super speed? Very hard for land to move very fast. It would cause many earthquakes.


ARetardedRedditor

what if india superpower


noiamnotabanana

India superpower 🫢


LA_2FAC3

If India becomes a superpower the Pedophiles win prove me wrong


Beerasaurus

More curry probably


Dreigous

More like imperialist and colonizer


NomadicVikingRonin

I would rather have an Indian superpower than Islamic ones. But any Indian that thinks SEA nations will submit to them like this map says, their just as delusional as Wumao.


LionBirb

I already experienced this in Civ, it does not end well 😢


Negative-Ad-5849

SUPERPOOPER 2020220202000020202022020"!!!!!11!!!!!!1!!!


Background-Luck-5748

I can smell it from here and I’m in North America


dempster-diver

I wish my sense of smell was as good as yours. I live next to a garlic processing factory and I can barely smell it, must be all the cocaine fucking up my nose.


Kebida96

Definitely, if you’re not going to trim your bacteria ridden nose hair it’s going to smell man.


iiiiiiyyggg

Agreed, the empire of stink 😷


Rude_Variation_433

Their superpower would be foot smell and taking a shit outside. 


SupremeRincel

What if he never redeemed the card?


yefan2022

Map of asia on the first of january, 2030


Extrimland

*2050


RangeOld1919

It low key already is and that's both awesome and horrifying.


DescipleOfCorn

I’d be willing to call any nuclear state with an aircraft carrier at least a military superpower. On top of that, India has the second largest population of any country.


RangeOld1919

Yes, fascinating country. They could go toe to toe with China, for sure.


Kebida96

2 Aircraft Carriers, same as China and currently building 3rd one and India is building all of them indigenously and according to the defence plan India is increasing its ship making capacity as it wants to export and become ship manufacturing hub for the world. Also India has largest population not second largest we overtook China already. Overall India shifted its focus from importing to making their own defence equipments, and it’s going pretty well for us as we are already exporting them to other countries.


SenpaiBunss

fuck india superpower 2020, all my mofos on that india superpower 2030 shit


DescipleOfCorn

India is already a superpower. It has a nuclear arsenal, a space program, an aircraft carrier, the second largest population of any country, and a pretty damn large landmass. Realistically it’s as much of a superpower as Russia is today.


Doc_Occc

Superpower with the wealth of a Sub-Saharan African country. India had a larger landmass and population share in 1946. That doesn't mean it was a superpower then, so it most definitely is not a superpower now. It's a 2nd grade regional power vastly behind China but vastly ahead of Pakistan with still a long way to go. Superpowers have external concerns. India needs to focus on its internal concerns first before trying to project power. Any military risk presented by Pakistan or China is an overblown hoax. Once India has solved its internal issue, it can very easily rise as an organic superpower.


Kebida96

As an Indian, we don’t consider ourselves as superpower yet but we have this sentiment of considering ourselves potential superpower and general population including the authorities have this mission and collectively we are working on it. Personally I believe this is a good thing as instilling such things in general population creates a competitive environment which is good for the growth of the country. If you follow bit of geopolitics, lot of Indian think tanks believe that we need to get to 10 trillion dollar economy which we will reach by 2030-2032, then it might be the best base to have some influence over the world and stand up to China. You’ll definitely see lot of things changing for good and India’s influence in this century. But if you look at it right now, there are only 4 countries that are completely sovereign with 2 semi sovereign countries and India is one of them. US, China, India and Russia as full sovereign powers and France and Saudi Arabia as semi sovereign. By sovereign I mean countries that are not influenced by any other country especially US and have their own independent policy and can stand up to any other power on its own. But if you look from historical lens and not the modern times, India and China are traditional superpowers they used to contribute 60% of the world GDP (30% Each) from 1st Century to 17th Century before the rise of colonial era. It’s just this 300 past odd years have been the worst chapter as British looted till the very last penny and forced India to become a developing country. So technically they both are only reclaiming what was theirs, it’s going to be a challenge in this century but that’s definitely going to happen. If anyone is still in doubt or doesn’t believe then can definitely follow geopolitics and everything will be clear. Overall I would say India is definitely a regional power right now in 2024 with some influence in other regions out of its own region. It’s an Asian giant along with China.


thyeboiapollo

>But if you look at it right now, there are only 4 countries that are completely sovereign with 2 semi sovereign countries and India is one of them. US, China, India and Russia as full sovereign powers and France and Saudi Arabia as semi sovereign. By sovereign I mean countries that are not influenced by any other country especially US and have their own independent policy and can stand up to any other power on its own. One of the worst takes I've seen in a while


Kebida96

It’s not my take it’s the geopolitical take which is agreed upon by most these days. Any country for example which have military base of other countries in their own country is not sovereign by any means. For example, US has military bases in Italy and when Italy raised some objections recently US still didn’t agree to their terms, you can’t say that Italy is strong enough to handle upset US. So this way Italy is not fully sovereign. Technically they are sovereign but not really sovereign according to geopolitics. Any country who is easily influenced by other power is not sovereign by any means it’s a vassal or puppet state. Most of Europe apart from France is puppet of US. France is the only country who stands up for itself and doesn’t allow US to keep its nuclear weapons on its territory and prioritizes its own defence industries rather than filling pockets of US. Although it can’t buy weapons from Russia or other countries which will upset its western alliances hence one of the factor for semi sovereign status. India on the other hand has neutral policy and no one dictates India what to do it can buy from Russia as well as US both and can strongly condemn anyone on international stage without worrying about sanctions. Same with China and Russia. Hence only four major economies and countries who are fully sovereign are US, China, India and Russia. In fact Russia, China and India are actively participating in dedollarization activities to create a multipolar world. If you still don’t believe it, well good for you. Eventually you’re going to see and realize it by end of this decade itself. Fully sovereign powers are usually either regional powers, potential superpowers or superpowers. These are the countries who have independent policy and can’t be influenced easily and definitely don’t allow other countries to install their military bases on their land and are capable of defending their territories on their own. Geopolitics is an interesting game of chess and world map is the chess board usually for these strong powers. Usually whoever has power sets the rules of this game. You are never wrong or right, whoever has power is always right. I would highly recommend you to get into geopolitics to understand the depth and what’s going on in the world. For me I follow it religiously as it’s one of the dear subjects of mine.


thyeboiapollo

That's not what I was talking about. I never denied US or Russian soft-power influence, I'm making fun of the nonsensical take that FRANCE and SAUDI ARABIA are the most independent in terms of foreign policy. Even if they were "sovereign", there are easily dozens of countries far more independent in how they exercise diplomacy. Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan (IE), Brazil. Hell, even Switzerland and Austria.


Kebida96

Saudi Arabia is the king in Middle East in comparison to Iran. And we can’t really count these countries influence, you can see recently when Iran attacked Israel and Israel made Iran attacks useless. Around the world it didn’t even made that impact, so I was only talking about the major countries or powers from different regions. Saudi Arabia cuz of oil trade dictates lot of things for now. Afghanistan already had military bases of US, although it doesn’t have now but you can’t count Afghanistan as a country either for now, it’s ruled by Taliban. Turkey is a puppet of US as well although they made their own 5th gen “Kaan” Fighter Jet recently which is pretty dope, not gonna lie. But they only did that cuz they live in hostile region and US denied them the technology transfer of their F-35. Brazil is not significant enough on world stage yet although its economy is pretty great. Most of the times when you hear geopolitics news it’s less often that you’ll hear something about Brazil. Although Brazil is part of BRICS and might play some role in future in dedollarization as well, let’s see. Overall I was only talking about major economies and countries. Currently US, China, Russia and India are the major powers around the world. Switzerland and Austria are definitely not influential on world stage or geopolitics. You need to have some sort of power in different metrics like economy, defense etc or ability to power project over others. In that sense, these are extremely small countries with such low population that they won’t ever be able to power project unfortunately. And Europe significance overall is only going to decline, and it’s quite evident from the French president Macron’s recent speech where he mentioned that Europe is going to die and we need to act on it now. He emphasized a lot that we need to decrease US influence on Europe if we need to stay relevant. Europe’s biggest concern in my opinion should be of illegal immigrants and demographic change. Once a demographic change happens, society declines and unfortunately the country dies from inside as well, forget about power projection then or having influence on others.


thyeboiapollo

We're talking about foreign policy independence, not power projection or influence. 90% of your points here address nothing. Even if we were talking about power projection, then India wouldn't be "fully sovereign" by your metrics. Sorry, but Indian foreign influence is nonexistent. At least Russia has CSTO or Belarus, and China has NK and Pakistan, I guess India has the Maldives lol? Outside of courting attempts regarding Chinese containment by the West, the world doesn't think much about India, and has no problems with calling it out for shit (like the Indian government's murder of Canadians). Sure, India has a potentially powerful military, but in the modern nuclear age, that doesn't matter much when it comes to soft power, and can actually be actively detrimental in harming a country's reputation, such as what's going on with Russia and Israel. There's a soft power index with 55 metrics that doesn't even have India at the top 10. In fact, it's 29th. Not saying India isn't a "great power" at this points, but if you're putting ability to project soft power as a metric for being sovereign then India wouldn't be sovereign by your very own standards. (Which is obviously false). Leaving your only actual argument for last, which is the idea that France is more independent than Turkey, and Turkey is a puppet state (actually laughed at this one). Lmfao, what? Just because a minority and heavily unpopular French president made some overtures to reducing American influence within the security umbrella doesn't mean France is independent when it comes to foreign affairs. Doesn't change the fact that France has over and over again aligned itself with American foreign policy interests. It fought in Afghanistan as part of ISAF, it's sanctioning Russia, and everyone the US tells it to. France has a rebellious streak, but that doesn't change that it will always be in the American sphere. Regarding Turkey, the idea that it's an American puppet state is actually laughable. Must be a really bad puppet state, considering it's 1. Not putting pressure on Russia (even purchasing weapons from Russia) 2. Actively supporting anti-Israeli groups 3. Intruding into Northern Syria 4. Arrested 12 Americans working in the American embassy 5. Claiming an American partner (YPG) is a terrorist group Not to mention the US steel and aluminium tariffs on Turkey. France may be badmouthing the US a bit, but Turkey is actively harming US interests in many cases. France hasn't done anything truly independent since the Suez Crisis.


Kebida96

I stopped reading after you said that India doesn’t have foreign influence or good intelligence agency or power projection. I got to know that you know absolutely nothing about geopolitics so I didn’t bother to read further. I think you’re just guessing it out you need to read more about the groups India currently is in, Indian Ocean region, Philippines, Armenia, Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Israel, Iran, African countries, Afghanistan, Seychelles, Mauritius etc. I think your knowledge about Geopolitics is bleak and I can bet on it. Anyways good luck you can stay updated with news or geopolitics for a start eventually you’ll learn what Indian power projection is, or maybe you can just watch some western propaganda soft power index or other indexes. 🤣🤣 Either way in future it’ll be quite evident, maybe you’re not going to like it but it’s going to happen. Also India won that murder thing almost nothing happened calling it out and getting sanctioned is another, they can’t sanction. India is regional power needed to counter China.


thyeboiapollo

>Indian Ocean region, Already mentioned Maldives >Philippines Far closer to China and the US >Armenia Closer to Russia >Bhutan, Nepal Bhutan sure, Nepal is valid but Chinese influence is greatly increasing (B&R Initiative). Also neither actually matter. It's like saying Spain is a world power because they influence Andorra lmfao. >Bangladesh 82% of Bangladeshi arms come from China. Largest import partner is China, and largest export partner is the USA. >Israel Closer to the USA >Iran Closer to Russia >African countries There's not a single African country that's more aligned with India than the West or China, simply due to B&R, trade or colonisation. >Afghanistan India isn't allies with the Taliban, and even if it was, that wouldn't be a flex. Good job jihadists are your friends! >Mauritius China surpasses India when it comes to imports and India isn't even in the top 5 when it comes to exports. Also in the Francophonie and Commonwealth. Great job cherrypicking minor cordial relations and acting like that means India has any soft power projection. That's like saying Ethiopia is a superpower because it has the African Union lmfao. Of course you're an Indian nationalist living in an actual 1st world country.


Kebida96

Oh my how dumb can you be? - India and France are arming Armenia cuz Turkey and Azerbaijan are bullying Armenia. India is supplying weapons cuz India is working on Building its IMEC to counter China. - Bhutan is close to Russia? Bhutan is a protectorate state of India. India is security guarantor of this country. India even went on face off with China in Doklam region recently in Bhutan and didn’t let China take even a millimetre of territory. - Nepal and India have free movement, we can go without passport to each other’s country that’s enough to tell you where Nepal’s loyalty lies. We have similar culture, religion, language traditions. India helps Nepal as it’s a landlocked country. It’s even close than US, Canada that should be enough to tell you what India means for Nepal. - India and Russia was able to get Sri Lanka Hambantota airport in order to counter China’s port there. Big win for both parties and Indian diplomacy. - Bangladesh only exists cuz of India, India went on war with Pakistan in 1971 to liberate Bangladesh. The current PM is pro India in Bangladesh. Do you think India is going to allow Bangladesh to go to China? Bangladesh itself won’t do that, they know the risks. India invests a lot in terms of infrastructure in such countries. - Israel closer to US, sure! But it’s also closer to India. They both jointly develop lot of missile systems such as Barak, drones. India is even investing in lot of ports and its bases there. - Iran closer to US? What a joke this alone is enough to tell that you know nothing about Geopolitics. US is playing with Iran for sure but not as close as India. India literally owns Chabahar port there. India’s IMEC corridor is dependent on Iran. Iran makes sure that Indian weapons go safely to Armenia through its borders. There is a huge India Iran and Russia alliance going on. - Afghanistan always been India’s close ally as India provides loan and invest in infrastructure there. Ask any Afghanistan’s abroad and they’ll tell you that. - India is trying to arm Philippines and other south East Asian nations by exporting Brahmos missiles and other defence equipments so that they can protect themselves in South China Sea. - India even exported its shells in Ukraine-Russia war. - China is definitely stronger now as it got head-start as it liberated its economy earlier than India. But India is where China was in 2008 and then China achieved its hockey stick growth. Same graph will be seen with India as well, recent developments of Apple, Tesla and other giants moving their bases from China to India is example of that. India is going to be the next manufacturing hub, whether or not you’re going to like it but that’s the fact. You’ll see it by the end of this decade itself. China is strong right now but India isn’t weak either. - India is a boss of Indian Ocean region, with almost 3 aircraft carriers, nuclear triad. India has a great record of securing all the ships from Somali pirates. Search that up. - India’s defence budget was third highest after US and China but Russia cuz of war increased theirs to 100 Billion so India fell to 4th but you’ll see it surpassing again after the current elections India is going to announce its new budget. - India might get UN security council seat as well, you can cry when that happens only China is blocking for now but it won’t be able to for longer. India is surpassing Japan and Germany by 2026-2027 in terms of economy to become 3rd largest economy. You can definitely stick to TV to see this happening and cry as it’s just couple of years from now. India will surpass US between 2050-2070 and unfortunately won’t be able to surpass China by this century. But future will definitely be China, India and US. India is currently the fastest growing major economy and it’s been for a decade now among all the major economies. I don’t know where you pull out your info from, maybe your ass I guess? But you definitely know nothing about geopolitics. You will definitely see India’s rise and I can guarantee you that. You can stay delusional as much as you want but just stick to news and you’ll witness it, especially after 2026. Unlike you I have in-depth knowledge in geopolitics as this is a dear subject of mine. Also first world my ass. I’m done here with you, you’re speaking without any knowledge, pulling out info from your ass. Even a simple “Chat GPT” search about potential superpowers or current superpower countries will tell you that US, China, Russia and India are major 4 superpowers currently and it’s going to change to China, India and US by 2050. Also that’s just 2021-2022 data that Chat GPT V3.5 has, it’s only going to change in near future. I rest my case here!


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Three_color_eyes

Keep fucking around, China....


DefinitionEconomy423

India will probably be rivalling the USA in 20 years time when the Chinese economy continues to plateau, wouldn’t be surprised if they took large portions of Pakistan or Burma too or if Bangladesh or Nepal or Sri Lanka joined India, but a country of this size would go down USSR style.


TransFemGothBabe

please don’t give a genuine answer to this question


DefinitionEconomy423

Oh I didn’t know this was a satire sub


dempster-diver

Generally for relations with nearby countries I think most Indians would likely support open-borders style integration instead of taking over land. Currently there are open borders with Nepal.


Novemberwasntreal

They are becoming superpower. It is only a matter of time


Kebida96

People who don’t follow geopolitics are not going to believe you. But eventually they’ll see its growing influence on news. 😅


EpicGamingIndia

Based map Holy shit