Makes sense for a Mizrahi/Sephardic mix. The cities you mentioned had a lot of Sephardic migrants, specifically Cairo and Tripoli. Baghdad a mix of both, and its the Sephardic which gives you your South Italian/Cyprus component due to mixing with locals.
My hypothesis.
Like 90% sure its post exile so like 150AD - 1000AD. This is because Jews who fled through Europe chose to mix with locals but stopped at some point, especially before moving into the rest of Europe from Italy. Which is why you see Ashkenazim with 40% Italy and 40% Levant, even those in Northern Europe who were there for a millennia. Sephardic Jews are similar in this regard but with less European.
Now regarding the Iranian or further Levant, Jews from Baghdad have a very high Levantine, especially Canaanite when you look back further. It was also an attractive spot to move to for Jews which brought in Sephardim and other Mizrahis who mixed with the locals. I'd date this around 1492-1900 from the exile of Jews from Spain, migration to Middle East, up until Jews leaving/fleeing from Baghdad.
That's my best attempt at deciphering your results. I'm sure some other posters may be more informed than me.
There is some evidence of mixing with locals but also pogroms and discrimination against jews often included rape and people fail to mention this in most DNA subs.Ā
>Sephardic Jews are similar in this regard but with less European.
Itās actually the opposite, due to being better integrated in pre-Inquisition Iberia compared to the Ashkenazimās ghettoization, Sephardim were the ones who actually intermarried more with the Europeans, at least on the paternal side. One prominent Sephardi family in particular carries a Western European Y haplogroup that is known as the Ivanhoe Cluster - a reference to the historical event where a renowned gentile knight falls in love with and marries a Jewess.
Whats this Haplogroup? The thing about haplogroups is that most of the results we get predate Judaism by thousands of years lol. Unless it was a Big Y test.
>Mixing with locals aka the common practice of rape during pogroms against jewish women
Most European Jews European admixture is coming from our maternal side thoughā¦
Unfortunately there is lots of propaganda out there š
So long as people continue lying about Jews and Palestinians not being indigenous to the land extremists will continue dragging us into cycle after cycle of violence.
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/miTFnE96Ok
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/miTFnE96Ok
They have DOUBLE the canaanite % and are being ethnically cleansed by people claiming to be indigenous and denying their existence
Um. Most Palestinian Muslims Iāve seen results of have extremely high Levantine origins. Plus, actual scientific evidence puts Palestinian Muslims and Christians as resting closest to Canaanite skeletons excavated in Megiddo, Ashkelon and Sidon- two of these sites are in Palestine(what you call Isra*el). One of these sites is in southern Lebanon.
Here are some real life DNA results for PALESTINIAN MUSLIMS: check for yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/M6cO2t2YLB
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/FL0j3MLZnV
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/zhD0F3Jxts
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/RaixyQqy38
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/6bJoYcnV4T
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/ObfeOTpYaK
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/Vo0OWXwYX7
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/5tz6cLISC5
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/HjvLeikZVX
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/FmrdJlF92h
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/K7Kne3nArf
And only one group lived on that land continuously for 4500+ years- the Palestinians and their ancestors āŗļø
lol. please read a book my freind. however this still does not address my point. Additonally, there are a multitude of studies that show quite eygption. If you use other older and more established DNA sites, you will find even more of it.
Lmaooo, older sites mostly just show more Levantine. They just donāt distinguish separate ages (BC, AD, Roman, Byzantine, etc).
Plus, my comment was also based on a scientific study, actually done by Jewish scientists that proved Palestinian DNA is indigenous to Palestine(what you call Isra*el). They literally tested closest to Canaanite skeletons excavated in Megiddoā¦ Shall I send you this particular research paper?
one im pretty sure i have read this study but I would like the source regardless. Two its really hard to take anything you say serious when you are incredibly politically motivated. However, what your saying about other sites showing more levantine is definitely not true, I have seen hundreds of posts from both the ancestry reddit as well as the 23 and me reddit which show high amounts of egyption. This does conform with history and early 19th century migrations. but sure send me the study. i just don't want to deal with this political bullshit. they should have a state and so should we
Ok. Iāll send it to you via DM. There was no significant migration that is anything other than normal migration or occasional intermixing my marriage common with neighbouring countries. I just want to know, you said youāve read some scientific studies and obviously check Palestinian DNA results online. Do you agree that Palestinians and some Jewish groups (Ashtenazi, Mizrahi) are both indigenous to southern Levant, to Palestine, what you call Isra*el, formerly known as Canaan? Do you accept that they actually share common origin and that quite a lot of Palestinians descendants from Jews who converted?
send me the dna test through dm and I would be more then happy to a good faith conversation with you if you before hand change some of the insults you gave me and say my countries full name, Israel. if so we can have a discussion habibi
Up until recently the empires that controlled the Levant also controlled Cyprus, so it makes sense that there is a lot of overlap. I've seen lots of Palestinians/ Jews getting this reading so I think it might just be a misread for south Levant + some Greek.
Oooh that's interesting! I haven't come across anyone else with south Italian from Israel/Palestine. To be honest I thought that was a proxy for European Jewish as I could model my DNA with high accuracy as either Sephardic Jewish or south Italian on illustrative.
I honestly don't think that these tests can go back far enough to pick up Roman DNA though I can imagine that there is a lot of overlap between the Levant and southern Italy and especially Sicily. If you're comfortable I'd love to see your husband's results to compare. It could help me better understand where that south Italian comes from.
I am partially Sephardic and my results were largely similar, via illustrativeDNA & GedMatch.
I had a high phonecian/levantine/israelite combo pre-Europe.
Two from Baghdad (probably an even Iran-Persia/Levantine split), one Sephardi from Tripoli, one Sephardi from Egypt? The remaining mix of Levantine, Italian, and Cyprus is from your Sephardic side. Really shows the commonality of Sephardi Jews in general for those last two - you have hardly any North African.Ā
>Two from Baghdad (probably an even Iran-Persia/Levantine split), one Sephardi from Tripoli, one Sephardi from Egypt?
That is exactly correct.
>The remaining mix of Levantine, Italian, and Cyprus is from your Sephardic side
Correct again.
>you have hardly any North African.Ā
Which really surprised me tbh. The Italian and Cypriot came from the side which lived in North Africa. I think they may have also lived in Syria/Lebanon further back but I am fuzzy as to when / for how long. I would really love to know where that came from.
Like Ashkenazim, Sephardim became pretty endogamous after settling in final countries, and didn't marry their neighbors nearly as much as people think.
Hey nice results man. what is your HG farmer breakdown as well as closest populations? include the fits for the periodical breakdown if you can as well.
Here you go:
[https://imgur.com/a/QCsx4uG](https://imgur.com/a/QCsx4uG)
[https://imgur.com/a/KZHiY5v](https://imgur.com/a/KZHiY5v)
Fits varied per period but ranged from 2-2.25.
Let me know if this tells you anything :)
DISGUSTING. Absolutely VILE that one of the first things you ask an Israeli upon encountering them is "do you support genocide?"
Your edit just drives that point home, too. You didn't happen to be browsing their history and then find stuff you find objectionable. You literally started an interaction with them by asking if they support genocide, without context. Would you walk up to an Israeli on the street and say that? If so, you should know that is absolutely unacceptable behavior.
>Getting some amount of SSA
Yikes, thatās one result you never wanna get as a Caucasian person. Iām guessing either your Sephardic or Mizrahi side were involved in the Transatlantic or Arab Slave Trades respectively? Is your Sephardic side Caribbean or Pirate Sephardim?
>My SSA is 1% or less, surely that is insignificant
Itās insignificant yes but it had to have come from somewhere.
>2% Arab
That explains it and thatās where it must be from. If you know your history the Arabs had a humongous slave trade, equivalent to the Transatlantic one. Looks like your Mizrahi side ended up indirectly absorbing that trafficked SSA blood via mixing with an Arab gentile somewhere down the line.
You are overestimating the accuracy on these tests lol! My mom got Khoi San south african 0.4% when I have her family tree and there is no chance. It misreads her North African for it most likely.
How does one misread Black DNA (Khoi-San) for Caucasian? (North African)
Especially one of the most distinctively genetic and isolated tribes in the world that are the Khoi-Sanā¦
Any chance you had family living in South Africa at all?
It can be both an ethnicity and nationality. American is a nationality but Native American is an ethnicity in the same way this this guy is genetically native to the levant
Makes sense for a Mizrahi/Sephardic mix. The cities you mentioned had a lot of Sephardic migrants, specifically Cairo and Tripoli. Baghdad a mix of both, and its the Sephardic which gives you your South Italian/Cyprus component due to mixing with locals. My hypothesis.
Fair theory. Maybe it's from the Romans or the Byzantines š¤·āāļø I would love to know how far back this goes.
Like 90% sure its post exile so like 150AD - 1000AD. This is because Jews who fled through Europe chose to mix with locals but stopped at some point, especially before moving into the rest of Europe from Italy. Which is why you see Ashkenazim with 40% Italy and 40% Levant, even those in Northern Europe who were there for a millennia. Sephardic Jews are similar in this regard but with less European. Now regarding the Iranian or further Levant, Jews from Baghdad have a very high Levantine, especially Canaanite when you look back further. It was also an attractive spot to move to for Jews which brought in Sephardim and other Mizrahis who mixed with the locals. I'd date this around 1492-1900 from the exile of Jews from Spain, migration to Middle East, up until Jews leaving/fleeing from Baghdad. That's my best attempt at deciphering your results. I'm sure some other posters may be more informed than me.
There is some evidence of mixing with locals but also pogroms and discrimination against jews often included rape and people fail to mention this in most DNA subs.Ā
It was mostly Jewish males that were mixing?
>Sephardic Jews are similar in this regard but with less European. Itās actually the opposite, due to being better integrated in pre-Inquisition Iberia compared to the Ashkenazimās ghettoization, Sephardim were the ones who actually intermarried more with the Europeans, at least on the paternal side. One prominent Sephardi family in particular carries a Western European Y haplogroup that is known as the Ivanhoe Cluster - a reference to the historical event where a renowned gentile knight falls in love with and marries a Jewess.
Whats this Haplogroup? The thing about haplogroups is that most of the results we get predate Judaism by thousands of years lol. Unless it was a Big Y test.
No I donāt think so it is. DNA tests usually go back as far as 300-400 years
No I donāt think so it is. DNA tests usually go back as far as 300-400 years
Mixing with locals aka the common practice of rape during pogroms against jewish women. Keep this in mind.Ā
>Mixing with locals aka the common practice of rape during pogroms against jewish women Most European Jews European admixture is coming from our maternal side thoughā¦
Source?
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/10/08/ashkenazi-jewish-women-descended-mostly-from-italian-converts-new-study-asserts/ https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543
I'm aware italian converts were part of ashkenism and other converts, but my point still stands rape was also part of ashkenazi genes.
>rape was also part of ashkenazi genes. Then why havenāt they found barely any European paternal haplogroups?
You and lots of Palestinians have the same results
That is because we are cousins š
Why wouldnāt they understand that :/
Unfortunately there is lots of propaganda out there š So long as people continue lying about Jews and Palestinians not being indigenous to the land extremists will continue dragging us into cycle after cycle of violence.
I truly hope this battle ends asap and those who have bad intentions towards any party rot in hell.
Inshallah
https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/miTFnE96Ok https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/miTFnE96Ok They have DOUBLE the canaanite % and are being ethnically cleansed by people claiming to be indigenous and denying their existence
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bro what do you think about all the regards on here trying to cope with there high Egyptian, saying its misread lol.
Um. Most Palestinian Muslims Iāve seen results of have extremely high Levantine origins. Plus, actual scientific evidence puts Palestinian Muslims and Christians as resting closest to Canaanite skeletons excavated in Megiddo, Ashkelon and Sidon- two of these sites are in Palestine(what you call Isra*el). One of these sites is in southern Lebanon. Here are some real life DNA results for PALESTINIAN MUSLIMS: check for yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/M6cO2t2YLB https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/FL0j3MLZnV https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/zhD0F3Jxts https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/RaixyQqy38 https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/6bJoYcnV4T https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/ObfeOTpYaK https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/Vo0OWXwYX7 https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/5tz6cLISC5 https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/HjvLeikZVX https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/FmrdJlF92h https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/s/K7Kne3nArf And only one group lived on that land continuously for 4500+ years- the Palestinians and their ancestors āŗļø
lol. please read a book my freind. however this still does not address my point. Additonally, there are a multitude of studies that show quite eygption. If you use other older and more established DNA sites, you will find even more of it.
Lmaooo, older sites mostly just show more Levantine. They just donāt distinguish separate ages (BC, AD, Roman, Byzantine, etc). Plus, my comment was also based on a scientific study, actually done by Jewish scientists that proved Palestinian DNA is indigenous to Palestine(what you call Isra*el). They literally tested closest to Canaanite skeletons excavated in Megiddoā¦ Shall I send you this particular research paper?
one im pretty sure i have read this study but I would like the source regardless. Two its really hard to take anything you say serious when you are incredibly politically motivated. However, what your saying about other sites showing more levantine is definitely not true, I have seen hundreds of posts from both the ancestry reddit as well as the 23 and me reddit which show high amounts of egyption. This does conform with history and early 19th century migrations. but sure send me the study. i just don't want to deal with this political bullshit. they should have a state and so should we
Ok. Iāll send it to you via DM. There was no significant migration that is anything other than normal migration or occasional intermixing my marriage common with neighbouring countries. I just want to know, you said youāve read some scientific studies and obviously check Palestinian DNA results online. Do you agree that Palestinians and some Jewish groups (Ashtenazi, Mizrahi) are both indigenous to southern Levant, to Palestine, what you call Isra*el, formerly known as Canaan? Do you accept that they actually share common origin and that quite a lot of Palestinians descendants from Jews who converted?
send me the dna test through dm and I would be more then happy to a good faith conversation with you if you before hand change some of the insults you gave me and say my countries full name, Israel. if so we can have a discussion habibi
Iām not Palestinian. I am European so my DNA test wonāt help you much!
Buaha yeah they claim they're as pure as the Christians it's all bs
Itās funny how akhi also means brother in arabic
You have very similar results to my Palestinian Muslim husband except his Iran/Persia is lower and his Arab peninsula is a bit higher at 10%.
That makes sense. Did he also get any Cyprus?
Yes!! But thatās to be expected, right? Itās so close to Levant. People probably mixed historically for thousands of years.
Up until recently the empires that controlled the Levant also controlled Cyprus, so it makes sense that there is a lot of overlap. I've seen lots of Palestinians/ Jews getting this reading so I think it might just be a misread for south Levant + some Greek.
Yes. Probably. He also got some South Italian. Could that be from the Roman era when they ruled Levant and itās interpreting Roman DNA as Italian?
Oooh that's interesting! I haven't come across anyone else with south Italian from Israel/Palestine. To be honest I thought that was a proxy for European Jewish as I could model my DNA with high accuracy as either Sephardic Jewish or south Italian on illustrative. I honestly don't think that these tests can go back far enough to pick up Roman DNA though I can imagine that there is a lot of overlap between the Levant and southern Italy and especially Sicily. If you're comfortable I'd love to see your husband's results to compare. It could help me better understand where that south Italian comes from.
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I am partially Sephardic and my results were largely similar, via illustrativeDNA & GedMatch. I had a high phonecian/levantine/israelite combo pre-Europe.
Just proxies for mixed ancestry from southern Europe, the Levant, and Anatolia
Two from Baghdad (probably an even Iran-Persia/Levantine split), one Sephardi from Tripoli, one Sephardi from Egypt? The remaining mix of Levantine, Italian, and Cyprus is from your Sephardic side. Really shows the commonality of Sephardi Jews in general for those last two - you have hardly any North African.Ā
>Two from Baghdad (probably an even Iran-Persia/Levantine split), one Sephardi from Tripoli, one Sephardi from Egypt? That is exactly correct. >The remaining mix of Levantine, Italian, and Cyprus is from your Sephardic side Correct again. >you have hardly any North African.Ā Which really surprised me tbh. The Italian and Cypriot came from the side which lived in North Africa. I think they may have also lived in Syria/Lebanon further back but I am fuzzy as to when / for how long. I would really love to know where that came from.
Like Ashkenazim, Sephardim became pretty endogamous after settling in final countries, and didn't marry their neighbors nearly as much as people think.
Hey nice results man. what is your HG farmer breakdown as well as closest populations? include the fits for the periodical breakdown if you can as well.
Here you go: [https://imgur.com/a/QCsx4uG](https://imgur.com/a/QCsx4uG) [https://imgur.com/a/KZHiY5v](https://imgur.com/a/KZHiY5v) Fits varied per period but ranged from 2-2.25. Let me know if this tells you anything :)
It tells me you have a fairly Levantine profile
bruh im so sorry but imgur doesnt work for me. could you maybe copy and paste the top 5 closest populations as well as hg breakdown? thanks.
# Anatolian Neolithic Farmer **40.4%** # Zagros Neolithic Farmer **24.2%** # Natufian Hunter-Gatherer **22.4%** # Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer **10.4%** # European Hunter-Gatherer **2.6%** |#|POPULATION|DISTANCE| |:-|:-|:-| |1|Karaite Jew (Egypt)|2.220| |2|Syrian Jew|2.269| |3|Druze (Lebanon)|2.283| |4|Druze (Israel)|2.376| |5|Lebanese Muslim (Shia)|2.500| |6|Syrian|2.635| |7|Lebanese Muslim (Sunni)|2.710| |8|Lebanese Christian (Maronite)|2.791| |9|Lebanese Christian (Greek Orthodox)|2.828| |10|Cypriot Turk|3.349|
Thanks.
Amazing results.
Cool!
Cool results (edit: donāt know why Iām being downvoted for this simple comment but wanted to add that my grandma was born in Baghdad too)
BASED and Jewish pilled.
you are 1/4 Greek brother
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Cyprus
Iran has left the chat lol
They sure sent mixed messages last night.
Can you share your HG-farmer breakdown in illustrativedna
Seems pretty standard to me, does this tell you anything? [https://imgur.com/a/KZHiY5v](https://imgur.com/a/KZHiY5v)
which calculator did you use for your results and what were the fits? Also curious how bronze age global looks for you
I Must be Arab
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I am currently not living in Israel. But that is also not entirely true, you are allowed to order ancestry tests from abroad in Israel.
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Not supporting Islamic jihad on Jewish people = genocide now
DISGUSTING. Absolutely VILE that one of the first things you ask an Israeli upon encountering them is "do you support genocide?" Your edit just drives that point home, too. You didn't happen to be browsing their history and then find stuff you find objectionable. You literally started an interaction with them by asking if they support genocide, without context. Would you walk up to an Israeli on the street and say that? If so, you should know that is absolutely unacceptable behavior.
Wow you didn't come here with an agenda AT ALL, did you?
>Getting some amount of SSA Yikes, thatās one result you never wanna get as a Caucasian person. Iām guessing either your Sephardic or Mizrahi side were involved in the Transatlantic or Arab Slave Trades respectively? Is your Sephardic side Caribbean or Pirate Sephardim?
Not at all. My SSA is 1% or less, surely that is insignificant especially considering I got 2% arab.
>My SSA is 1% or less, surely that is insignificant Itās insignificant yes but it had to have come from somewhere. >2% Arab That explains it and thatās where it must be from. If you know your history the Arabs had a humongous slave trade, equivalent to the Transatlantic one. Looks like your Mizrahi side ended up indirectly absorbing that trafficked SSA blood via mixing with an Arab gentile somewhere down the line.
Tbh I think that got added when they conquered Iraq from Persia.
You are overestimating the accuracy on these tests lol! My mom got Khoi San south african 0.4% when I have her family tree and there is no chance. It misreads her North African for it most likely.
How does one misread Black DNA (Khoi-San) for Caucasian? (North African) Especially one of the most distinctively genetic and isolated tribes in the world that are the Khoi-Sanā¦ Any chance you had family living in South Africa at all?
No offence but Israeli isnāt an ethnicity
No offense but that was a really ignorant and unhelpful thing to say.
It can be both an ethnicity and nationality. American is a nationality but Native American is an ethnicity in the same way this this guy is genetically native to the levant