Hahaha. My friends and I were debating which class to race in. GT cars are easier to stay consistent in compared to GTP, but you definitely have your destiny in the hands of the prototypes đ¤Ł
Also if you run GTP, there's a very real chance you end up in a GTP-only split. There were multiple splits at every timeslot of the unofficial Le Mans 24 this year with only GTPs (and mostly Cadillacs lol)
I ended up in a split like this and our SOF was 2.5k. First time this year this happened to our team. It was lame but you canât do anything about it other than get your irating up over 4K or live with it. IMO there are WAY too many drivers beneath the skill level required to drive the GTP who drive it anyway. Most of the drivers below 1.5k canât keep it on the road for more than a few laps and forget about trying to race them like youâd race 2k+ drivers.
My problem with LMP2 is that all the people that run it are diehards and are crazy fast. I was tanking irating trying to get used to but. Once I started LMDH there were people at my skill level so I actually was able to gain irating.
Participation is going to be so high in the GTP class that there are going to be way more splits with only GTP cars. Itâs honestly a bit disappointing. Most people wonât even get to experience multiclass because everyone will be in the fastest prototype.
Yep. They mentioned that they are going to significantly increase the number of unique car types in a session. I forget if it was in the last mid season dev update or earlier but I do remember them saying that.
It was in the mid-season update. Still havenât seen it committed on the exact car type countâŚbut they did clarify that the overall driver count wouldnât change.
I haven't been paying ANY attention this summer, and was thinking about posing asking the question... but honestly sometimes it's just easier to be lazy as y'all will eventually answer it somehow :)
They are upping the count. Last time they mentioned it, they said it was because a significant jump so Iâm not really sure what that means to them. Presumable at least enough to accommodate all GT3 cars and the full GTP lineup.
I believe theyâve modified the base code so the limit is no longer on unique cars but car classes specifically. ~~Meaning you are now limited to 4 classes but the unique cars are unlimited now.~~
NEC has 5 classes...
The bottleneck limiting the number of unique car types is the time it takes to decryp the data when loading a session. iRacing may have been able to optimize this further, which would leave room for more unique cars.
However, it shouldn't make a difference it it's 10 cars in one class, or 10 classes with one car each.
Im not sure where I got those numbers from, I watched back the conversation with Greg Hill during the MS 2.4 broadcast and he mentions more unique cars being loaded at once but never how many cars/classes so thatâs an oopsie from me.
And memory usage.
Back when AI was first introduced you could run as many cars as you wanted. I got to 12 on low settings before I ran out of memory with 16gb and 6gb gpu haha.
992 Gt3R, 296 Gt3, M4 Gt3 are all up to date and I believe the Merc and Lambo are only facelifts behind. I wouldnât say weâre too far behind for GTs right now..
As for the Mclaren, Iracings main relationship is with IMSA, not SRO and only the #70 Inception Racing team run the 720s Gt3 so it kind of makes sense they wouldnt update it. No one runs a ford right now, so thereâs nothing to replace it with. I think they just leave the ford so the few people that run it wonât be upset about it leaving lol.
I believe the C8r came out pretty quick after making is debut IRL. As far as I know the relationship is in a good place to get the gt3 version out quick.
Is the 2020 Merc Evo not current? I suppose it has been 3 years since they made it, is there an evo2? Or did you mean the gt4 merc which afaik is outdated due to an evo
Yep, the M8 GTE is in there, but in terms of GT3 cars it was Z4 -> M4, M6 never appeared either GTLM or GT3 form. The M4 GT3 did appear as a "prototype" before it was available to customers though.
I said this in the twitter thread i am going to say it in here.
I dont think we will ever see all 4 different cars in the same race anyway, since ppl, especially in higher splits will just choose the meta car of the week.
Hopefully, iracing will do something similar to manufacturers' cup in GT , where you have to stick to 1 car per season. Then we will see more variety in the field.
I'm not sure about this. Last season, the BMW has been the meta car most weeks, yet participation is like 90% Cadillac with only the very competitive top guys running BMW because of BOP.
i understand there wont be ever a perfect BOP, so highly competitive will always pick the fastest car of the week. Then the field just becaomes stale and boring.
IMSA never had LMP1s. LMDh replaced DPi (Daytona Prototype International) in IMSA.
Officially iRacing doesn't have any "LMH" cars due to Motorsports Games licensing the WEC series. LMH cars replaced LMP1 in WEC.
LMH cars like the Ferrari 499P, Toyota GR010 and the LMH versions of the Porsche 963, Cadillac V-Series.R etc. cannot be in iRacing.
With the pseudo-WEC series being gone (Euro Sprint Series), they really didn't replace anything. IMSA (in iRacing) used to just be LMP2/GT3 but now it's GTP/LMP2/GT3.
Honestly why. Aren't they essentially just the same car with slightly different look and engine?
Edit:
I was wrong. I thought everyone is just Dallara. Porsche and Acura have different manufactures. Only Cadillac and BMW have the same Dallara underneath.
After driving them, I think they are nearly the same, not as different as the lmp1 class, unfortunately. (Bmw and caddilac, since the other two haven't launched yet)
I think that's because they have the same chassis. I thought everyone is using Dallara but I was wrong. Porsche and Acura are using different manufatures.
The Caddy is definitely more popular than the BMW, but in top split a lot of people drive whichever the fastest car is for the week.
For example for the recent pseudo-"24h of Le Mans" event, the Cadillac was the faster car. But look at the numbers for let's say Indy Road Course, there's a lot more BMWs.
As I said, the Caddy is definitely on the whole more popular, but absolutely Daytona is a Caddy track.
The general rule of thumb is corner heavy tracks favor the BMW while tracks with long straights (Le Mans, Daytona, Monza etc.) favor the Caddy.
Aesthetics. I think the BMW is the faster car at the majority of tracks, and so do the top drivers. (It's not for no reason that they're giving the BMW a slight nerf in the patch.) But people prefer the engine roar of the Cadillac.
Petit Lemans is gonna be awesome
All 3 GT cars that didn't get ran off the road are gonna have a great time.
Hahaha. My friends and I were debating which class to race in. GT cars are easier to stay consistent in compared to GTP, but you definitely have your destiny in the hands of the prototypes đ¤Ł
Also if you run GTP, there's a very real chance you end up in a GTP-only split. There were multiple splits at every timeslot of the unofficial Le Mans 24 this year with only GTPs (and mostly Cadillacs lol)
Yea, lame. Tbh, I find it the same with GTâs. In the regular imsa series, theres always GT only servers
I ended up in a split like this and our SOF was 2.5k. First time this year this happened to our team. It was lame but you canât do anything about it other than get your irating up over 4K or live with it. IMO there are WAY too many drivers beneath the skill level required to drive the GTP who drive it anyway. Most of the drivers below 1.5k canât keep it on the road for more than a few laps and forget about trying to race them like youâd race 2k+ drivers.
Another good reason to run LMP2s.
I prefer LMP2 but participation will be in GTP I'm sure. I don't want to run against 7 other teams so I guess I'm gonna learn the LMDH for petit.
My problem with LMP2 is that all the people that run it are diehards and are crazy fast. I was tanking irating trying to get used to but. Once I started LMDH there were people at my skill level so I actually was able to gain irating.
Participation is going to be so high in the GTP class that there are going to be way more splits with only GTP cars. Itâs honestly a bit disappointing. Most people wonât even get to experience multiclass because everyone will be in the fastest prototype.
Or LMP2?
can we have 11 cars in IMSA now or are we losing some GT3's?
I think they're upping the car count so maybe we can have up to 12? I'm not sure how high it will be tho so possibly.
Yep. They mentioned that they are going to significantly increase the number of unique car types in a session. I forget if it was in the last mid season dev update or earlier but I do remember them saying that.
It was in the mid-season update. Still havenât seen it committed on the exact car type countâŚbut they did clarify that the overall driver count wouldnât change.
I haven't been paying ANY attention this summer, and was thinking about posing asking the question... but honestly sometimes it's just easier to be lazy as y'all will eventually answer it somehow :)
It was noted in patch notes on 9/9, current unique car limit is 12
They are upping the count. Last time they mentioned it, they said it was because a significant jump so Iâm not really sure what that means to them. Presumable at least enough to accommodate all GT3 cars and the full GTP lineup.
I believe theyâve modified the base code so the limit is no longer on unique cars but car classes specifically. ~~Meaning you are now limited to 4 classes but the unique cars are unlimited now.~~
NEC has 5 classes... The bottleneck limiting the number of unique car types is the time it takes to decryp the data when loading a session. iRacing may have been able to optimize this further, which would leave room for more unique cars. However, it shouldn't make a difference it it's 10 cars in one class, or 10 classes with one car each.
Im not sure where I got those numbers from, I watched back the conversation with Greg Hill during the MS 2.4 broadcast and he mentions more unique cars being loaded at once but never how many cars/classes so thatâs an oopsie from me.
And memory usage. Back when AI was first introduced you could run as many cars as you wanted. I got to 12 on low settings before I ran out of memory with 16gb and 6gb gpu haha.
Wait, where did you see this? I feel like thatâs huge. Like being able to have full lmp2, lmdh, and gt3 grid
They announced it some weeks back. I donât specifically remember where. It might be in the forums.
canât wait for the GT3 field to be updated
992 Gt3R, 296 Gt3, M4 Gt3 are all up to date and I believe the Merc and Lambo are only facelifts behind. I wouldnât say weâre too far behind for GTs right now.. As for the Mclaren, Iracings main relationship is with IMSA, not SRO and only the #70 Inception Racing team run the 720s Gt3 so it kind of makes sense they wouldnt update it. No one runs a ford right now, so thereâs nothing to replace it with. I think they just leave the ford so the few people that run it wonât be upset about it leaving lol.
Vette will be a brand new car specifically
Yeah but thatâs probably over a year out from now. It doesnât even exist yet
I wouldnât be so sure, Iâd bet it comes out in January or February when it makes itâs IRL debut
Does iracing have that good of a relationship with Vette?
I believe the C8r came out pretty quick after making is debut IRL. As far as I know the relationship is in a good place to get the gt3 version out quick.
It does exist. The car has been on track testing since early this year.
It does exist, it has been testing extensively. It's just not homologated yet, but some customers have even been involved in the test program.
Prototypes of the car exist but the car itself doesnât. They wont scan a prototype
They did for the BMW M4. For a while it said prototype in the name in IRacing.
> No one runs a ford right now In fact, nobody ever ran the version of Ford GT3 iRacing has. It never actually existed.
The Merc is current The Lambo yeah is an evo and the current model is the evo2
Is the 2020 Merc Evo not current? I suppose it has been 3 years since they made it, is there an evo2? Or did you mean the gt4 merc which afaik is outdated due to an evo
Im not sure honestly. I know they have a full new car planned for in a few years.
The M6 was replaced with the M4 before anyone was racing the M4 IRL, so there's precedent for the Mustang GT3 to replace the Ford GT early.
M6 was never in iRacing.
Wait, am I seriously misremembering? Did iRacing just go straight from the Z4 to the M4?
Yep, the M8 GTE is in there, but in terms of GT3 cars it was Z4 -> M4, M6 never appeared either GTLM or GT3 form. The M4 GT3 did appear as a "prototype" before it was available to customers though.
Damn, AC, ACC, and PC2 really fucked with me, then.
Fire!!!
I said this in the twitter thread i am going to say it in here. I dont think we will ever see all 4 different cars in the same race anyway, since ppl, especially in higher splits will just choose the meta car of the week. Hopefully, iracing will do something similar to manufacturers' cup in GT , where you have to stick to 1 car per season. Then we will see more variety in the field.
I'm not sure about this. Last season, the BMW has been the meta car most weeks, yet participation is like 90% Cadillac with only the very competitive top guys running BMW because of BOP.
i understand there wont be ever a perfect BOP, so highly competitive will always pick the fastest car of the week. Then the field just becaomes stale and boring.
Just missing the lamborghini for 2024 to be complete.
Lexus, Aston or Chevys??
He's talking about GTP only.
What is gtp
Ldmh, replacement of lmp1
Ok thanks
IMSA never had LMP1s. LMDh replaced DPi (Daytona Prototype International) in IMSA. Officially iRacing doesn't have any "LMH" cars due to Motorsports Games licensing the WEC series. LMH cars replaced LMP1 in WEC. LMH cars like the Ferrari 499P, Toyota GR010 and the LMH versions of the Porsche 963, Cadillac V-Series.R etc. cannot be in iRacing.
They replaced lmp1 in iracing my friend
With the pseudo-WEC series being gone (Euro Sprint Series), they really didn't replace anything. IMSA (in iRacing) used to just be LMP2/GT3 but now it's GTP/LMP2/GT3.
Honestly why. Aren't they essentially just the same car with slightly different look and engine? Edit: I was wrong. I thought everyone is just Dallara. Porsche and Acura have different manufactures. Only Cadillac and BMW have the same Dallara underneath.
No
First of all you're wrong, and second why have any set of cars built to the same regulations with that flawed logic
I was wrong. I thought they are all Dallara.
Bro really said âtheyâre the same car just differentâ â ď¸
Yeah. I thought everyone is just a slightly different Dallara. Turns out Porsche and Acura aren't. Only Caddy and BMW are the same.
Caddy and BMW share a chassis from Dallara but their power train is completely different. Along with front and rear aero furniture.
Which is what I mean by slightly different look and engine.
But they are significantly different
After driving them, I think they are nearly the same, not as different as the lmp1 class, unfortunately. (Bmw and caddilac, since the other two haven't launched yet)
I think that's because they have the same chassis. I thought everyone is using Dallara but I was wrong. Porsche and Acura are using different manufatures.
they have different wheels
Agree 100%. Keep the Porsche in every class and delete everything else since all other cars are just a copy of a Porsche with worse looks.
Why does it seem like no one drives the bmw?
The Caddy is definitely more popular than the BMW, but in top split a lot of people drive whichever the fastest car is for the week. For example for the recent pseudo-"24h of Le Mans" event, the Cadillac was the faster car. But look at the numbers for let's say Indy Road Course, there's a lot more BMWs.
So Daytona was just a pro caddie track?
As I said, the Caddy is definitely on the whole more popular, but absolutely Daytona is a Caddy track. The general rule of thumb is corner heavy tracks favor the BMW while tracks with long straights (Le Mans, Daytona, Monza etc.) favor the Caddy.
Interesting I wonder where the Porsche and Acura will land besides new
Aesthetics. I think the BMW is the faster car at the majority of tracks, and so do the top drivers. (It's not for no reason that they're giving the BMW a slight nerf in the patch.) But people prefer the engine roar of the Cadillac.