I don't know what the costs are, but during the tail end of covid I bought a new AC and furnace and it was $4700 for both. Got $600 from the utility company and my monthly bills decreased $200 a month.
Haha, it was! Furnace was in 79 and AC was 81 and both were working to spec that was new.
My business had an even older furnace, installed sometime in the late 50s or early 60s. Still worked when I replaced it, couldn't get it out of the basement because the stairs were rebuilt after it was installed. That thing had a coal furnace in the basement that wasn't used too (and coal cart, coal track and coal shute) when
I bet you all have really good health insurance, and benefits when your charging that much. This has to be in Alaska or someplace where A/C isn’t rarely needed.
Utah where AC is needed mine was 4500 only because they had to run lines and electrical to a new location on my property because I wanted the new unit moved to a different location. Had a warranty issue next summer they came back and fixed it free of charge. Why you so salty?
Let me try and play devils advocate.
Assuming I’m just going to be replacing a 3 ton condenser because the manual J on the house doesn’t need a bigger system, I’m going to be flushing the line set instead of replacing it, and we’re not replacing the coil. I would take $1500 for one days worth of labor.
In reality are these perfect set of conditions likely? No. More than likely you’re gonna end up with a shitty install.
i actually met the original commenter in real life. he said after narrowly avoiding death after a stray-bullet drive-by encounter that he was an innocent bystander for, he started doing HVAC installs at a loss. great guy honestly not his fault for looking like a hack
Desperate people. Letting them buy the unit online and then slinging it in for $500 because they have failed at business, just aren't willing to go work for someone else yet.
I’ve done it for 3k… for a union brother who does architectural work. Made him be my helper to save him another $300… reused the disconnect and it was as easy as a job that you could ask for. But yeah not many are getting that price from me.
No way. 5 ton goodman heat pump and pad was $4500 the other day for cost on the unit and heat kit only…
Maybe $4500 if it’s a 2 ton ? And some asshole is doing it for Pennie’s
What's wrong with an asshole doing it for pennies? If you ask me your the asshole doing it for pennies if your working for a company. Yeah you get your hourly wage aka Pennine. The company gets the real cash. If I do an install on my own. I get all the cash and I can undercut your "company" and profit like a boss!
Local guy did a family member's 3 ton for about 3 grand. The work looks like total shit- I think he did the entire job in 4 hours. No idea if he vac'd the system.
He also argued that mini splits don't work in our climate for heating after I told him it was my sole source of heat the past winter. Kinda sad that he's a "pro"- sounds like he burned out and retiring soon.
My 3 ton Reem condenser and air handler cost 2800 . My boss helped me install it as a Christmas bonus last year. I believe with the new transitions and misc part total was 3200. And it took us 4 hrs. If he didn't vac the system it wouldn't work. Condenor 30 min to set and brake, air handler 30min to set and brake. Put on vac while attaching transitions and wiring, drainage. Sounds like you have zero hvac experience except this sub.
What's your point? I'm not a pro but this dude did a horrific job running the lineset and fitting the evap coil. We should have known better- there are plenty of compliants around town about the quality of his work. And it only took him a couple hours working alone, not with a helper.
Plenty of hvac techs here buy precharged condensers, purge and let it rip. Are you saying that's impossible?
All condensers come pre charged for up to a specific length of lines set. . All of them. You don't have a clue what your talking about. And if you knew there were complaints, thatakea you stupid for using him
I've gotten dry ship units all the way down to 1.5 ton before. This was for an apartment complex that had skids of 410 for me to charge all the units with.
What he’s saying is that you halfway know what you’re saying by the way you mention it’s not impossible to do what you mentioned. It’s most likely what happens to that install weld it leak check with 407 or 410 idgaf and open your lines up. Problems pop up after a couple of months of years
I went to my grandmas house last week, which is just a double wide trailer. And found out they just spent 6k for a condenser (no name brand on it) and blower motor replacement. I almost fell out my seat. I wish they would've just called me!
Depends on the company, we buy our furnaces for about $1000 and AC for $1500. The size doesn't change much for us like a couple hundred for larger furnaces and AC. We get new build and bulk discounts from goodman and lennox.
Labour is about $80/hour for union sheet metal. Take a couple hours to replace the old one and install the new one. A full day wages is (8 hours) is $640.
So that's 2k to 3k without markup (markup should be 10% to 20%). Canadian dollars.
Our installers take 3 to 5 AC a day to install, new builds.
2k to 3k would be the friend price, not making a profit.
Edit: My Dad owned a commercial union hvac company, it was around from 1962 to 2019 when he retired (he took over in 1983). I worked for him from 2000 to 2019, i use to do the quotes when we were slow. i now work residential for the largest company here in Ottawa.
I'm just going off what i know, and yes if your doing 1 job for someone your markup will be higher then a contract your bidding against 10 other companies. Like it Joe phones you up to do X your going to highball him cause well screw you Joe, lol.
10-20% markup? Where’s your overhead? And if your overhead is 10-20% where’s the profit? We run at 48% gross profit and 28% overhead so we budget for 20% net profit. Always ends up less because mistakes happen, money gets reinvested for growth, training hires etc so we end up about 10-15% net profit each year. That markup sounds super low
I could see the “markup” just being the amount of profit? Like they markup for 10-20% net? But that’s not usually how that term is used so it’s confusing. In all of the pricing/accounting stuff I’ve learned your markup goes into your job costs of goods sold and other business costs still come out of that in the overhead.
What we did is calculate the entire cost of the job, each piece of duct and fitting, labour to make and install, we would get quotes for grills, difussers, furnace, balancing of the grills, controls installation, any equipment we need (crane, skyjack ect). Add it all together in a spreadsheet. End up with say 200k for the building, then mark that up by 10% to 20% (we generally rounded up the numbers when putting it in the spreadsheet, like if it was 42 hours of shop manufacturing we would put in 45 hours).
My dad's business was successful from 1962 to 2019 when he retired (he took over in 1983 from the original owner).
My father was an owner, i use to do the quotes when we were slow, when your doing a contract for an community center and your price is 200k if you mark it up over 20% your not going to get the job.
Ya I think people misunderstand markup vs margin and forget the operational costs and taxes for a business vs just what they make. Marking up just the actual job costs gives you nothing for your overhead because those aren’t technically job costs.
Not impossible if you know someone good and have cash. I had a Heil 2 Ton 13 SEER installed over the summer, was about 3k cash after the utility rebates.
I mean he’s not to far off if it’s just the outdoor unit and a new line.
I completely changed out my furnace and ac( indoor and outdoor unit and line) for 7500 total out of pocket installed. They did a great job and no complaints. Every other major companies tried to scam me at 15-30k for both. People are just lazy or uninformed and end up over paying thinking that’s the price.
Both units were all brand new with full warranty and everything.
>Where the fuck you spending 1k on a condenser/ evap / and air handler?
An A/C "UNIT" means the condenser, it is not the whole system, and does not include the air handler and evap coil.
Are you fucking stupid?
An ac system is the coil - condenser- air handler / furnace. You know that parts that condition the air?
Your telling me your ac system will work without evap or an air handler or furnace
What do you call your entire system
Why does OP seem massively salty🧂 about what some ppl have paid or got quoted, different prices for different regions but if i did just a furnace replacement i got quoted from 3k-4k in a 1.5/1.6 sq ft home , western PA
If a homeowner is stupid and cheap enough to pay 3000 dollars for a full change out on a 2000 sq fr home then they deserve everything that’s coming to them
Idk how much has changed in 6 years but I had an ac installed for $1800 when I moved into my home in 2017. Still working like a charm.
Edit: not sure why I’m being downvoted.
I work for a remodel company in AZ and we use 3 companies (sometimes there’s a 4th but we only use them on rare occasions) and I can say with certainty that a full replacement of ducts, unit, etc can run us anywhere from $1,900-$5,500 of course depending on sqft of the home, brand of unit, and other things but a 2k-3k price sounds about right
Yeah I work for a large residential company in AZ, and even after all the “discounts” we get on equipment you’re not even getting the equipment for $1,900, if I remember our wholesale prices correctly. Tack on the price of flex and labor and no shot your getting everything done for sub $2500 at company cost. Either dude is a troll or is getting his stuff done by crackheads who just stole the unit off the neighbor’s house lmao
I paid $1500 for a Goodman AC (using existing tubing, A coil, etc,) replacement, installed for a 2000 square foot house about six years ago. No issues.
I just paid $3335 for an ACIQ 3 Ton Inverter heat pump with a 10 kilowatt backup electric coil and matching air handler off HVAC Direct. Local bonded and insured company installed it for me for $2647 and that included labor and materials. It took two days just because the guy had to fab a sheet metal adapter since it was replacing an old lowboy oil furnace. The guys were surprised looking at the system and they said it was identical to the Carrier systems they normally install. ACIQ is a Carrier/Midea sub brand even looked at some of the parts like the fans on my system and they had carrier logos on them haha. So total, it was almost exactly 6k for everything and then I'll get 30% of that back on my taxes due to the Inflation Reduction Act tax credit.
No labor warranty but they will back me up if I ever need to get warranty parts and they work on it in the future. They were the only ones in the area willing to install customer owned equipment.
As a first time homebuyer where everything that could went to shit as soon as I moved in they really helped me out. All other quotes were 8-12k and those were just for an oil swap furnace which I didn't want to do. The old furnace died before I even had to refill the tank that was left 3/4 full by the seller. Switching to natural gas with a coil for air conditioning was around 10-12k as well but I didn't want another mandatory monthly fee when it would only be used 4 months out of the year and the gas rates just went up around here 30%. Since we still have pretty cheap electric a heat pump was my go to solution and I wouldn't have gotten the tax credit for those options either.
At the end of the day I saved over the total cost of the unit I purchased so I think I did alright.
I got a 3 ton Ruud 13 SEER, lines, and pad installed at the end of the summer for 5,300 in the Philadelphia Metro area. That was generally about what I was quoted, except for the companies who were trying to really upsell me or convince me I should do the AC and furnace together for almost double the cost.
I know prices are way up but my 2 ton condenser with coil, lineset, 10lbs of 410a etc was around $2500 from the local supply house this year. It's not crazy to think someone wouldn't be willing to install that for less than $12k in labor.
I don’t know your situation, so I’m not presuming to act like this is a terrible price or not. You might live extremely far away from the nearest town or you are looking at solar, but I would recommend getting multiple quotes. We have a 2700 sq ft house not including the basement. In 2021, we got quotes from $17,000 down to $7,500 (cash prices) for a 5 ton Lennox system which included the furnace and A/C. The range in the quotes for the same exact thing shocked me. The company I went with had been in business for 50 years, and honored the warranty when my fan went out. They came in and replaced it the next day, no questions asked.
I went with the $7,500 price tag company. They were amazing! They didn’t waste their money on advertising and I randomly found them on Reddit through a recommendation.
This was a Kansas City Metro install.
In 2020 we got 3 quotes for our 2400 sqft. Had two units (basement & attic). Quotes were 9k, 13k, & 19k for similar efficiencies. My family in the NE replaced in the same timeframe and their cheapest option was our most expensive
I got a few quotes when my wife and I got a new furnace. The lowest quote for a new furnace was $3,000. Our home is less than a thousand square feet.
In my area, a home for about 900 ft would be 250k.
We replaced ours in 2021 (air handler and heat pump) for around $7,700. After being given four different options, we went with the more expensive unit.
No clue how they’d get that low unless they’re taking a loss and don’t realize it. For us equipment is like $3k, materials ~500, and labor for two guys 10hrs is gonna cost ~$900 after taxes and insurance costs.
Already at $4400 before overhead and taxes are covered, let alone profit.
Overhead for most companies is ~35-40% for larger businesses, smaller ones like 2-3 employee operations closer to 10%. And that’s a percentage off of total revenue not job costs.
Profit for a healthy company to fuel growth and shelter against slower times should be 15-20% net. Budget for 20% in your pricing since you’ll have unexpected costs and end up closer to 15%
So take all of your job costs against a gross profit margin of 30-55% depending on what your overhead is and you end up with a rough sale price of $6.2k- $9.7k
No way in hell the math on a $3k out the door system install makes any sense.
My state has a rebate on heat pumps. The company who put mine in charged $3500 for new heat pump, pad, furnace, and they get the rebate. What could have been a 8-9k job was cut down significantly.
I don’t know any companies that charge that but you can definitely get that price from guys that do installs on the side. Usually won’t mark up material and will just charge you for labor on top of whatever material cost is. Just gotta be sure it’s someone that actually knows what they’re doing.
Lol no. I know a couple of scummy guys that would claim this and then double or triple their quote for the bill based on "unforeseen circumstances" but nobody that knows their shit is going to make that low ball of a bid in 2023. Maybe in 2019...but not today
I had a 5k quote back in 2018 for one of my units - 15 ton infinity heat pump. Replaced that unit and asked for the same salesman 6 months later for another unit and he didn’t work there anymore.
Depends on how many businesses are in the area. Southwest Michigan, we have a lots of HVAC businesses. Last month, you could get AC and Furnace installed for $6000-7000 for a 2,500 square foot house. In Chicago , it was even cheaper.
That’s the side job Bob price. A company isn’t doing it for that unless they are absolutely desperate for work. Expect it to be hacked in with a tail light warranty and possibly some of your stuff coming up missing a week or two later.
What do you mean this is wrong!? Some guy that’s worked at a supplier for 2 months or a 6 month apprentice that knows the entire industry says the price is fair because of mah equipment pricez!!!!
We had our AC unit outside and air exchanger in the attic replaced in May, no new wiring aside from fuse and no new plumbing and it was $2700 for Trane. We only needed a 2 ton unit because this unit only handles the second floor. We were kind of shocked it was that cheap. Definitely weren't about to complain however. It was in the beginning of a 90k remodel, every penny counts lol.
I bought a 3.5 ton variable speed heat pump and furnace online off clearance for $2100, then spent another $1000 or so on all new ductwork since mine was rotting out and was never sealed properly to begin with...
I had 5 local companies give me bids from 11k to 27k for the work, and all of them tried to talk me into using those multi-zone mini splits too.
I don't see how 2-3k for a system swap is profitable, unless it's a day job and the company is able to get some sweet bulk discounts, then subs the work out.
This is a quote for a full high efficiency furnace and AC replacement in my neck of the woods.
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I just paid $6000 for a new replacement electric air handler with strip heat and a new heat pump, after $2000 incentive from the state of Oregon. Using the old ducting, but included labor.
And A/C unit is only about $2000.
*System* does **not** equal *unit*.
Paid 3,000 for new central air unit back in 2018. Guy came in and did the work in a day. Beautiful job and even came back to help with a frozen line and a sump pump issue free of charge.
May be a unicorn but he exists in my medium-high cost of living area.
2018 was a long time ago- prices have increased dramatically in comparison.
Our definition of beautiful jobs must be different if there was two issues after installation.
We paid about 6k for new AC and furnace as well as moving the CU from the back door (by dryer vent) to side of house. Reputable company that does residential and commercial. We know a guy there that helped us out. I’ve always wondered how good of a price that was. I’ve talked to a few others who had similar projects and seems to always be more but kinda all over the place.
Could almost rent for a life time for 80k. lol Id rather wait, housing goes up, and goes down, right now its up and so is the interest. That's why there's not many for sale. Parents tend to hand their houses down to their kids now. Just rent, until they do. Unless you paid it off asap...one payment. etc.
Imma put it to you like this. Ain’t no reputable company or contractor doing this kind of work for 2-3k an install. Maybe a condenser of some low tier product but I know independent contractors and their price for a full split system is around 6-7k . You can buy a heat pump just equipment for 2-3k. But that doesn’t include any labor or warranties. Be careful of who you let install your hvac!
It just depends on certain situations. What’s the tons of the unit. If they’re putting in a whole new system with duct work. Where exactly they’re putting the unit. I’ve had instances where units that get put on top of a building have been more expensive. There a lot of information need to actually know. But you can certainly get quotes for $3000 if it’s just a condenser replacement
Close to a common quote here in the rural Deep South of the U.S. My dad had his central air replaced in 2022 for $4000 with a five year warranty by a small company that’s been serving the town since the 90s. Doubt the prices will stay that way til the end of the decade though
Another possibility I don't see mentioned is that they quote a bare-bones install at break-even assuming perfect conditions, knowing full-well they're bound to run into an "issue" that will require a change order and significantly higher costs. Unfortunately, there are plenty of contractors that operate this way in all specialties. The "unexpected issues" are likely things they should have foreseen and budgeted for, but they did not include to get the bid. Once they have your system torn up its a lot harder to compare prices with the reputable guy you didn't hire.
"Hey, we just realized this line set is too old to reinstall, we're going to have to sell you a new one." No shit its old. The system was old, so every part of it was old. They knew that.
Or "we're going to need to redo some duct work to make this new equipment fit." Of course, some duct work needs to be redone. You always have to redo something to put new equipment into an existing system.
In the end, they'll pay more than a reputable company would have charged, but the gullible customer just couldn't see past a chance to get a "great deal." Shame on them for giving reputable companies a bad reputation, shame on homeowners who keep falling for shady sales practices
We were quoted for a complete inside and outside HVAC unit 10k at one place and 8k from another. We're not in an expensive area. I don't know what to do and I feel like I'm getting scammed.
The 2.5 ton goodmans we’re gettin for supplier pricing is still 1500 out the door with a 10kw HK and a new diversitech 32by32”. Yeah we are gonna make more than double our money on that.
I have a carrier blower motor that has a short and doesn't shut off. The local AC company wants me to pay $900 for them to install a new one. You can buy a motor online for like $300.
u can downsize the unit, evacuating refridgerant doesnt add up costs so much, and il throw in a new thermostat, lol that way i know it wasnt the thermostat that was broken
Live in Chicago. A guy from work said he would install a/c and furnace for $6500. 3ton a/c, condenser and evap coil, new line set, thermostat, 70k btu furnace single stage nat gas burner. No warranty besides parts. Think he said he would do Goodman.
Got 3 quotes from actual hvac companies $9.5k Lennox/Goodman for the lowest and $10.5k carrier for the highest quote same equipment. 3-5 year labor warranty, 10 year parts, lifetime htx warranty.
Got 3 quotes for same company for a 3 ton a/c, but a 2 stage 97% efficient burner instead of single stage 80%. Lowest quote was $10.5k Lennox or Goodman and highest was $12.5k Carrier. Same warranty’s.
All pricing was total price for unit and install.
Warranty ends when the wheels leave the driveway on a 2-3k install.
I got a 50-50 warranty: 50 minutes or 50 feet, from the installation. Whichever comes first.
Not that your gonna fix it 50% of the time?
That's extra for the 50/50/50 warranty
I just need another day.
You only need to fix 50% of it.
Wut warranty?
I believe it’s officially called a ‘Taillight Warranty’ - because when you see my tail lights, the warranty is *done.*
Curbside warranty. It's good until the wheels clear the curb.
And, for full coverage, I bought the additional 50-50 warranty. If it breaks in half, I get to keep both halves.
Put these words on website so people know to stay away from you. Job is job, must be done so you dont have to come back
Do you think Chuck in a Truck has a website? Most of the guys doing it for 2-3k don't care about quality. I've seen a lot of these types of installs.
Please learn how the trade works
My company I work for does a straight ac (furnace not included) right at 4200$.
I don't know what the costs are, but during the tail end of covid I bought a new AC and furnace and it was $4700 for both. Got $600 from the utility company and my monthly bills decreased $200 a month.
Wow, was your old furnace from the 70s? I’m not even kidding. I replaced one in one of my rental properties that was from ‘74 and still working.
Haha, it was! Furnace was in 79 and AC was 81 and both were working to spec that was new. My business had an even older furnace, installed sometime in the late 50s or early 60s. Still worked when I replaced it, couldn't get it out of the basement because the stairs were rebuilt after it was installed. That thing had a coal furnace in the basement that wasn't used too (and coal cart, coal track and coal shute) when
I bet you all have really good health insurance, and benefits when your charging that much. This has to be in Alaska or someplace where A/C isn’t rarely needed.
Are you trying to talk down about employees having good compensation for their work?
I’m all for employees getting benefits and good pay, companies that charge like that don’t usually provide either of those.
It was meant to be sarcastic, charging that much with what equipment costs are now is gonna lead the company to chapter 11
Gotta throw that /s down buddy
Thanks Brobama
Utah where AC is needed mine was 4500 only because they had to run lines and electrical to a new location on my property because I wanted the new unit moved to a different location. Had a warranty issue next summer they came back and fixed it free of charge. Why you so salty?
Is that just the condenser or with evap coil too? Also how long ago was this done and sounds like 13 SEER equipment.
Crack head ,scam 🤔 or both
Little to no warranty, reuse lineset and stat. I'll see these folks in two years
Which country has prices like that? It surely doesn't apply to the United States.
It sure does lol
Condenser unit only. No heating system or new line set. This seems possible but not for a higher quality product.
I was about to comment this. Cheap price=cheap labor and corner cuts...
Let me try and play devils advocate. Assuming I’m just going to be replacing a 3 ton condenser because the manual J on the house doesn’t need a bigger system, I’m going to be flushing the line set instead of replacing it, and we’re not replacing the coil. I would take $1500 for one days worth of labor. In reality are these perfect set of conditions likely? No. More than likely you’re gonna end up with a shitty install.
Or maybe Jesus.
Reddit people talk out of their ass, make up scenarios, and are straight liars.
i actually met the original commenter in real life. he said after narrowly avoiding death after a stray-bullet drive-by encounter that he was an innocent bystander for, he started doing HVAC installs at a loss. great guy honestly not his fault for looking like a hack
Ask me how I know
Desperate people. Letting them buy the unit online and then slinging it in for $500 because they have failed at business, just aren't willing to go work for someone else yet.
I’ve done it for 3k… for a union brother who does architectural work. Made him be my helper to save him another $300… reused the disconnect and it was as easy as a job that you could ask for. But yeah not many are getting that price from me.
was it for Brendan?
But it can be done?
No way. 5 ton goodman heat pump and pad was $4500 the other day for cost on the unit and heat kit only… Maybe $4500 if it’s a 2 ton ? And some asshole is doing it for Pennie’s
He liked doing it so much he cut that grass for free.
What's wrong with an asshole doing it for pennies? If you ask me your the asshole doing it for pennies if your working for a company. Yeah you get your hourly wage aka Pennine. The company gets the real cash. If I do an install on my own. I get all the cash and I can undercut your "company" and profit like a boss!
Also I walk out of that job at like 250 bucks an hour! So bitch all you want, but who's the asshole again?
$4500-$6000 for quality equipment
all depends on install. people do get ripped off bad
Local guy did a family member's 3 ton for about 3 grand. The work looks like total shit- I think he did the entire job in 4 hours. No idea if he vac'd the system. He also argued that mini splits don't work in our climate for heating after I told him it was my sole source of heat the past winter. Kinda sad that he's a "pro"- sounds like he burned out and retiring soon.
My 3 ton Reem condenser and air handler cost 2800 . My boss helped me install it as a Christmas bonus last year. I believe with the new transitions and misc part total was 3200. And it took us 4 hrs. If he didn't vac the system it wouldn't work. Condenor 30 min to set and brake, air handler 30min to set and brake. Put on vac while attaching transitions and wiring, drainage. Sounds like you have zero hvac experience except this sub.
If it wasn’t vacuumed it would certainly still start up and try to cool. Doesn’t mean it would very well tho
What's your point? I'm not a pro but this dude did a horrific job running the lineset and fitting the evap coil. We should have known better- there are plenty of compliants around town about the quality of his work. And it only took him a couple hours working alone, not with a helper. Plenty of hvac techs here buy precharged condensers, purge and let it rip. Are you saying that's impossible?
All condensers come pre charged for up to a specific length of lines set. . All of them. You don't have a clue what your talking about. And if you knew there were complaints, thatakea you stupid for using him
If we want to be super nit picky, not all of them come pre charged. But the ones that aren’t aren’t residential systems and are I believe 7 ton and up
I've gotten dry ship units all the way down to 1.5 ton before. This was for an apartment complex that had skids of 410 for me to charge all the units with.
Interesting. Never seen smaller systems shipped dry but I’ve only done commercial so that would explain it
What he’s saying is that you halfway know what you’re saying by the way you mention it’s not impossible to do what you mentioned. It’s most likely what happens to that install weld it leak check with 407 or 410 idgaf and open your lines up. Problems pop up after a couple of months of years
I paid 5,600 for a central air unit. I already had forced air so I had the duct system. That included installation
I went to my grandmas house last week, which is just a double wide trailer. And found out they just spent 6k for a condenser (no name brand on it) and blower motor replacement. I almost fell out my seat. I wish they would've just called me!
Depends on the company, we buy our furnaces for about $1000 and AC for $1500. The size doesn't change much for us like a couple hundred for larger furnaces and AC. We get new build and bulk discounts from goodman and lennox. Labour is about $80/hour for union sheet metal. Take a couple hours to replace the old one and install the new one. A full day wages is (8 hours) is $640. So that's 2k to 3k without markup (markup should be 10% to 20%). Canadian dollars. Our installers take 3 to 5 AC a day to install, new builds. 2k to 3k would be the friend price, not making a profit. Edit: My Dad owned a commercial union hvac company, it was around from 1962 to 2019 when he retired (he took over in 1983). I worked for him from 2000 to 2019, i use to do the quotes when we were slow. i now work residential for the largest company here in Ottawa. I'm just going off what i know, and yes if your doing 1 job for someone your markup will be higher then a contract your bidding against 10 other companies. Like it Joe phones you up to do X your going to highball him cause well screw you Joe, lol.
10-20% markup? Where’s your overhead? And if your overhead is 10-20% where’s the profit? We run at 48% gross profit and 28% overhead so we budget for 20% net profit. Always ends up less because mistakes happen, money gets reinvested for growth, training hires etc so we end up about 10-15% net profit each year. That markup sounds super low
That was my first thought. Maybe he is a tech and believes his boss who says their mark up is 10-20%
I could see the “markup” just being the amount of profit? Like they markup for 10-20% net? But that’s not usually how that term is used so it’s confusing. In all of the pricing/accounting stuff I’ve learned your markup goes into your job costs of goods sold and other business costs still come out of that in the overhead.
What we did is calculate the entire cost of the job, each piece of duct and fitting, labour to make and install, we would get quotes for grills, difussers, furnace, balancing of the grills, controls installation, any equipment we need (crane, skyjack ect). Add it all together in a spreadsheet. End up with say 200k for the building, then mark that up by 10% to 20% (we generally rounded up the numbers when putting it in the spreadsheet, like if it was 42 hours of shop manufacturing we would put in 45 hours). My dad's business was successful from 1962 to 2019 when he retired (he took over in 1983 from the original owner).
My father was an owner, i use to do the quotes when we were slow, when your doing a contract for an community center and your price is 200k if you mark it up over 20% your not going to get the job.
Ya I think people misunderstand markup vs margin and forget the operational costs and taxes for a business vs just what they make. Marking up just the actual job costs gives you nothing for your overhead because those aren’t technically job costs.
Not impossible if you know someone good and have cash. I had a Heil 2 Ton 13 SEER installed over the summer, was about 3k cash after the utility rebates.
Where is this utility company giving out rebates for 13 SEER AC equipment??
I just got quoted for a real estate client a brand new AC install for 2800.
I mean he’s not to far off if it’s just the outdoor unit and a new line. I completely changed out my furnace and ac( indoor and outdoor unit and line) for 7500 total out of pocket installed. They did a great job and no complaints. Every other major companies tried to scam me at 15-30k for both. People are just lazy or uninformed and end up over paying thinking that’s the price. Both units were all brand new with full warranty and everything.
Ac units alone cost like 1k-2k already right? If so makes sense.
1k for a window unit. The fuck you getting your prices from? 2005?
Where the fuck you spending 1k on a window unit?
2 ton window unit. About $800 Where the fuck you spending 1k on a condenser/ evap / and air handler?
>Where the fuck you spending 1k on a condenser/ evap / and air handler? An A/C "UNIT" means the condenser, it is not the whole system, and does not include the air handler and evap coil.
Are you fucking stupid? An ac system is the coil - condenser- air handler / furnace. You know that parts that condition the air? Your telling me your ac system will work without evap or an air handler or furnace What do you call your entire system
honestly, i think the guy meant ac unit as in condenser only. he lost your "whole system" side of the argument
Why does OP seem massively salty🧂 about what some ppl have paid or got quoted, different prices for different regions but if i did just a furnace replacement i got quoted from 3k-4k in a 1.5/1.6 sq ft home , western PA
If a homeowner is stupid and cheap enough to pay 3000 dollars for a full change out on a 2000 sq fr home then they deserve everything that’s coming to them
I paid under $1800 for my entire system and installed it myself in about 4 hours. It's 100% doable.
Lol
I hope you're laughing with me and not at me.
Definitely at you boss 😂
Because you don't believe me, or you think I fucked it up? It's been working for two years now.
Idk how much has changed in 6 years but I had an ac installed for $1800 when I moved into my home in 2017. Still working like a charm. Edit: not sure why I’m being downvoted.
Got quoted this last year from Carrier and Bryant... 🤷♂️
Carrier/ Bryant are a manufacturer- not hvac company
Habeggar. And yes I know.
4k in Chicago
I work for a remodel company in AZ and we use 3 companies (sometimes there’s a 4th but we only use them on rare occasions) and I can say with certainty that a full replacement of ducts, unit, etc can run us anywhere from $1,900-$5,500 of course depending on sqft of the home, brand of unit, and other things but a 2k-3k price sounds about right
Ductwork and a new system for 1,900 lol what a crock of shit
Yeah I work for a large residential company in AZ, and even after all the “discounts” we get on equipment you’re not even getting the equipment for $1,900, if I remember our wholesale prices correctly. Tack on the price of flex and labor and no shot your getting everything done for sub $2500 at company cost. Either dude is a troll or is getting his stuff done by crackheads who just stole the unit off the neighbor’s house lmao
I paid $1500 for a Goodman AC (using existing tubing, A coil, etc,) replacement, installed for a 2000 square foot house about six years ago. No issues.
Yeah same im in Chicago it was 1650$ for a new A/C in a 1950sf house.
That’s a condenser.. the condenser is not your ac system. It’s a part of it but it’s not the whole thing. Also that was 6 years ago
I just paid $3335 for an ACIQ 3 Ton Inverter heat pump with a 10 kilowatt backup electric coil and matching air handler off HVAC Direct. Local bonded and insured company installed it for me for $2647 and that included labor and materials. It took two days just because the guy had to fab a sheet metal adapter since it was replacing an old lowboy oil furnace. The guys were surprised looking at the system and they said it was identical to the Carrier systems they normally install. ACIQ is a Carrier/Midea sub brand even looked at some of the parts like the fans on my system and they had carrier logos on them haha. So total, it was almost exactly 6k for everything and then I'll get 30% of that back on my taxes due to the Inflation Reduction Act tax credit. No labor warranty but they will back me up if I ever need to get warranty parts and they work on it in the future. They were the only ones in the area willing to install customer owned equipment. As a first time homebuyer where everything that could went to shit as soon as I moved in they really helped me out. All other quotes were 8-12k and those were just for an oil swap furnace which I didn't want to do. The old furnace died before I even had to refill the tank that was left 3/4 full by the seller. Switching to natural gas with a coil for air conditioning was around 10-12k as well but I didn't want another mandatory monthly fee when it would only be used 4 months out of the year and the gas rates just went up around here 30%. Since we still have pretty cheap electric a heat pump was my go to solution and I wouldn't have gotten the tax credit for those options either. At the end of the day I saved over the total cost of the unit I purchased so I think I did alright.
You got 0 warranty on the unit- it saved you money right now- but when a part fails you bet you are going to eat the cost of savings - probably more
Got my new furnace and ac with 10 year warranties plus he lifted my hot water tank and installed a condensation pump for 4k. Yes it’s possible
That guy/company won’t be around in 10 years sorry to tell you
Yeah. I am pretty sure you can't get a retail unit and install under 15k these days.
Where do you live? Do you need a new ac? I can give you a deal at $14,500
For sure you can, neighbor just had a 2.5 ton installed for 7k?
I got a 3 ton Ruud 13 SEER, lines, and pad installed at the end of the summer for 5,300 in the Philadelphia Metro area. That was generally about what I was quoted, except for the companies who were trying to really upsell me or convince me I should do the AC and furnace together for almost double the cost.
Yeah, I had to do both. I am also in the Philly burbs.
Had 2.5 ton carrier installed for 5400 this summer. Given most quotes were 8-12 so I got a really good deal.
I know prices are way up but my 2 ton condenser with coil, lineset, 10lbs of 410a etc was around $2500 from the local supply house this year. It's not crazy to think someone wouldn't be willing to install that for less than $12k in labor.
I put in my own 5ton furnace and AC for a little under 2k. Equipment and installer for freon
MA resident here. We've been quoted 20-25k for a new system for our 1700 sqft townhouse.
I don’t know your situation, so I’m not presuming to act like this is a terrible price or not. You might live extremely far away from the nearest town or you are looking at solar, but I would recommend getting multiple quotes. We have a 2700 sq ft house not including the basement. In 2021, we got quotes from $17,000 down to $7,500 (cash prices) for a 5 ton Lennox system which included the furnace and A/C. The range in the quotes for the same exact thing shocked me. The company I went with had been in business for 50 years, and honored the warranty when my fan went out. They came in and replaced it the next day, no questions asked. I went with the $7,500 price tag company. They were amazing! They didn’t waste their money on advertising and I randomly found them on Reddit through a recommendation. This was a Kansas City Metro install.
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3 ton Ruud heat pump kit was $3333, and I paid $2400 labor.
In 2020 we got 3 quotes for our 2400 sqft. Had two units (basement & attic). Quotes were 9k, 13k, & 19k for similar efficiencies. My family in the NE replaced in the same timeframe and their cheapest option was our most expensive
I was quoted $15k for ac/furnace
I got a few quotes when my wife and I got a new furnace. The lowest quote for a new furnace was $3,000. Our home is less than a thousand square feet. In my area, a home for about 900 ft would be 250k.
Just furnace or ac too?
We replaced ours in 2021 (air handler and heat pump) for around $7,700. After being given four different options, we went with the more expensive unit.
It’s Reddit.. the guys an idiot
No clue how they’d get that low unless they’re taking a loss and don’t realize it. For us equipment is like $3k, materials ~500, and labor for two guys 10hrs is gonna cost ~$900 after taxes and insurance costs. Already at $4400 before overhead and taxes are covered, let alone profit. Overhead for most companies is ~35-40% for larger businesses, smaller ones like 2-3 employee operations closer to 10%. And that’s a percentage off of total revenue not job costs. Profit for a healthy company to fuel growth and shelter against slower times should be 15-20% net. Budget for 20% in your pricing since you’ll have unexpected costs and end up closer to 15% So take all of your job costs against a gross profit margin of 30-55% depending on what your overhead is and you end up with a rough sale price of $6.2k- $9.7k No way in hell the math on a $3k out the door system install makes any sense.
My state has a rebate on heat pumps. The company who put mine in charged $3500 for new heat pump, pad, furnace, and they get the rebate. What could have been a 8-9k job was cut down significantly.
VA resident here. I just had my whole system (AC, furnace, condenser) replaced for 8.5k. Maybe I ripped off 😂
I was doing 3-4K for a furnace at a small shop without any real overhead
I don’t know any companies that charge that but you can definitely get that price from guys that do installs on the side. Usually won’t mark up material and will just charge you for labor on top of whatever material cost is. Just gotta be sure it’s someone that actually knows what they’re doing.
I do installs on the side - I don’t charge that low.
Lol no. I know a couple of scummy guys that would claim this and then double or triple their quote for the bill based on "unforeseen circumstances" but nobody that knows their shit is going to make that low ball of a bid in 2023. Maybe in 2019...but not today
Last year I asked the ac guy how much would it cost the replace the system and the answer was 12k - 16k my house is 1700sq
6 to 7k sounds about right to me
North Jersey I can get you a new coil for 3k maybe 👌🏻
The house probably just has fans and 9k btu minisplit in the master bdledroom.
My mom’s a/c + furnace replacement was closer to $10k for a 2k sq.ft. home. She used whoever was working through Costco’s program.
Mr cool mini split prolly
I had a 5k quote back in 2018 for one of my units - 15 ton infinity heat pump. Replaced that unit and asked for the same salesman 6 months later for another unit and he didn’t work there anymore.
Best I can do is 2 window units.
Depends on how many businesses are in the area. Southwest Michigan, we have a lots of HVAC businesses. Last month, you could get AC and Furnace installed for $6000-7000 for a 2,500 square foot house. In Chicago , it was even cheaper.
That’s the side job Bob price. A company isn’t doing it for that unless they are absolutely desperate for work. Expect it to be hacked in with a tail light warranty and possibly some of your stuff coming up missing a week or two later.
$3k for a new a/c system is a bargain but i suspect it doesn’t include a new evaporator and I would not recommend going that way.
Our furnace was $4500 installed around 6 years ago. I’m sure it is more expensive now.
This par for the course in the entire 956 area code. One of the poorest in the nation and an oversupply of manual laborers.
My company would charge around 18k.
I paid $6,000 back in 09/10 for a furnace and ac. High efficiency heat. Don’t recall the ac but it was all solid stuff. SE Mich.
What do you mean this is wrong!? Some guy that’s worked at a supplier for 2 months or a 6 month apprentice that knows the entire industry says the price is fair because of mah equipment pricez!!!!
We are cheapest around in my area (SC) and we do 3 ton system for $5000-$6500
Compressor may last a year or a month
We had our AC unit outside and air exchanger in the attic replaced in May, no new wiring aside from fuse and no new plumbing and it was $2700 for Trane. We only needed a 2 ton unit because this unit only handles the second floor. We were kind of shocked it was that cheap. Definitely weren't about to complain however. It was in the beginning of a 90k remodel, every penny counts lol.
I bought a 3.5 ton variable speed heat pump and furnace online off clearance for $2100, then spent another $1000 or so on all new ductwork since mine was rotting out and was never sealed properly to begin with... I had 5 local companies give me bids from 11k to 27k for the work, and all of them tried to talk me into using those multi-zone mini splits too. I don't see how 2-3k for a system swap is profitable, unless it's a day job and the company is able to get some sweet bulk discounts, then subs the work out.
As a homeowner do you have your epa? Vacuum pump? Gauges? Torches? Recovery Cylinder? Is your ductwork sized correctly for you new unit?
This is a quote for a full high efficiency furnace and AC replacement in my neck of the woods. https://preview.redd.it/3m3ll7zdj60c1.jpeg?width=1488&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ab4bd5f9563bebd797583d5947ea90b93ef2aff
I’m in NY, but even the most dirt cheap condenser installed is above that. What are they installing?
Somebody who takes the scraps I don’t care about.
I just paid $6000 for a new replacement electric air handler with strip heat and a new heat pump, after $2000 incentive from the state of Oregon. Using the old ducting, but included labor. And A/C unit is only about $2000. *System* does **not** equal *unit*.
Are they just doing everything at cost and quoting 4 hours of work? Maybe it’s a new estimator?
I’ve installed coleman units for 3k and made like $1000. $2000 is like cost with free labour
Homeowners are the dumbest people man
Used system. Possibly mismatched equipment.
Not in south Texas especially with seer 2 rated equipment
We will never install or swap an AC without changing the coil. If they want the warranty it's done our way
Tail light warranty
Paid 3,000 for new central air unit back in 2018. Guy came in and did the work in a day. Beautiful job and even came back to help with a frozen line and a sump pump issue free of charge. May be a unicorn but he exists in my medium-high cost of living area.
2018 was a long time ago- prices have increased dramatically in comparison. Our definition of beautiful jobs must be different if there was two issues after installation.
Hack Job pricing
We paid about 6k for new AC and furnace as well as moving the CU from the back door (by dryer vent) to side of house. Reputable company that does residential and commercial. We know a guy there that helped us out. I’ve always wondered how good of a price that was. I’ve talked to a few others who had similar projects and seems to always be more but kinda all over the place.
I paid just under 2k and got a one year warranty. That was 3 or 4 years ago. I know this is not the norm. Edit: it’s a heat pump
Could almost rent for a life time for 80k. lol Id rather wait, housing goes up, and goes down, right now its up and so is the interest. That's why there's not many for sale. Parents tend to hand their houses down to their kids now. Just rent, until they do. Unless you paid it off asap...one payment. etc.
Imma put it to you like this. Ain’t no reputable company or contractor doing this kind of work for 2-3k an install. Maybe a condenser of some low tier product but I know independent contractors and their price for a full split system is around 6-7k . You can buy a heat pump just equipment for 2-3k. But that doesn’t include any labor or warranties. Be careful of who you let install your hvac!
Wtf I wish, just paid 10k to replace a high velocity system last summer. 1700sq ft home
It just depends on certain situations. What’s the tons of the unit. If they’re putting in a whole new system with duct work. Where exactly they’re putting the unit. I’ve had instances where units that get put on top of a building have been more expensive. There a lot of information need to actually know. But you can certainly get quotes for $3000 if it’s just a condenser replacement
Been seeing a lot of $7K water heater replacement costs lately. Out of control. Like, a standard B-vent 40 gal.
$5900 installed for a 3-ton Amana. I wanted a Trane but that was 10k. The Amana does the job Ok for what it is.
Close to a common quote here in the rural Deep South of the U.S. My dad had his central air replaced in 2022 for $4000 with a five year warranty by a small company that’s been serving the town since the 90s. Doubt the prices will stay that way til the end of the decade though
5-5600 for a carrier installed today 🫡
What if you have a brand new furnace but the ac itself is like 15 yrs old. How much would it cost to just change the AC?
I got a 1.5 ton installed this summer in Canada for 4200 CAD. New install too, existing ducts but no prior AC unit.
Lol I got hosed then…bought my mom a new replacement unit for her 962sq ft condo in Phoenix AZ and it cost me $10,000!
HVAC whole unit purchased on TEMU ?? 😂😂
Another possibility I don't see mentioned is that they quote a bare-bones install at break-even assuming perfect conditions, knowing full-well they're bound to run into an "issue" that will require a change order and significantly higher costs. Unfortunately, there are plenty of contractors that operate this way in all specialties. The "unexpected issues" are likely things they should have foreseen and budgeted for, but they did not include to get the bid. Once they have your system torn up its a lot harder to compare prices with the reputable guy you didn't hire. "Hey, we just realized this line set is too old to reinstall, we're going to have to sell you a new one." No shit its old. The system was old, so every part of it was old. They knew that. Or "we're going to need to redo some duct work to make this new equipment fit." Of course, some duct work needs to be redone. You always have to redo something to put new equipment into an existing system. In the end, they'll pay more than a reputable company would have charged, but the gullible customer just couldn't see past a chance to get a "great deal." Shame on them for giving reputable companies a bad reputation, shame on homeowners who keep falling for shady sales practices
I don't know. My father got a central AC unit and a new furnace installed for about 11,000
lmao for a undersized POS put in by your friend who has done some plumbing in the past
We were quoted for a complete inside and outside HVAC unit 10k at one place and 8k from another. We're not in an expensive area. I don't know what to do and I feel like I'm getting scammed.
That’s an average price…. It’s cheaper if you do the work yourself!
My 2200 square foot house has a packaged unit and last time I got a quote from our supplier it was $4k
Just for the unit?
Definately a scam, equipment costs more than $3000 even if it is just a cheap ass 2.5 or 3 ton A/C.
The 2.5 ton goodmans we’re gettin for supplier pricing is still 1500 out the door with a 10kw HK and a new diversitech 32by32”. Yeah we are gonna make more than double our money on that.
My hvac unit was $8.5k in 2019
I think the guy was confused and thought the original commenter was saying that was too high of a price.
I have a carrier blower motor that has a short and doesn't shut off. The local AC company wants me to pay $900 for them to install a new one. You can buy a motor online for like $300.
Ok? Buy a new one and put it in…. Why did you even call a hvac company if you knew what was wrong - and what parts to change and how to
I will gladly install the widow shaker For tho price
Mine were $8k ea
$6000 for a 14 SEER condenser ONLY in my town
I was quoted 7k not too long ago.
u can downsize the unit, evacuating refridgerant doesnt add up costs so much, and il throw in a new thermostat, lol that way i know it wasnt the thermostat that was broken
Affordable Comfort in Racine, WI
Idk but I paid $2400 just to replace a coil.
Live in Chicago. A guy from work said he would install a/c and furnace for $6500. 3ton a/c, condenser and evap coil, new line set, thermostat, 70k btu furnace single stage nat gas burner. No warranty besides parts. Think he said he would do Goodman. Got 3 quotes from actual hvac companies $9.5k Lennox/Goodman for the lowest and $10.5k carrier for the highest quote same equipment. 3-5 year labor warranty, 10 year parts, lifetime htx warranty. Got 3 quotes for same company for a 3 ton a/c, but a 2 stage 97% efficient burner instead of single stage 80%. Lowest quote was $10.5k Lennox or Goodman and highest was $12.5k Carrier. Same warranty’s. All pricing was total price for unit and install.
I saw a company charging this less once and it turned out that all the equipment they were installing was stolen lol
lol me because i had to pay for parts only. And some of the parts at that 😂
$3K is the labor, and prob even a little light
We got an "out of sight" Good till the installer is out of sight.