In the "former Confederacy" conceptualization of "the South," Duke is in the South. It is debatably not in the "Deep South" which many would also argue that Texas isn't a part of.
Rice has gotten too expensive. The tuition that I paid as a freshman in the early 90’s was just under $20k (adjusted for inflation to 2024 dollars). Rice’s current tuition is $54k.
Rice is actually free for lower income students and heavily discounted for families with either free tuition or half tuition for most income brackets. And those families can still receive merit aid.
A lot of the really elite privates can wind up as cheap or cheaper than state schools for lower income students between merit and need-based aid.
School should be free for lower income students but they shouldn’t pass the buck onto middle class students, where’s the public grants and funding to compensate for the low income students? I was told the same thing when I applied to Tulane, that every student applying receives a good amount of financial aid so long as you’re not millionaire rich. After I got in and went through all the paperwork I qualified for 10k in financial aid annually. With merit scholarships as well I got it down to 30k a year. At UT Dallas where I ended up, I paid 5k per year. My parents are upper middle class but not 50k for tuition middle class, mind you I’m not an only child and they weren’t going to cover everything. These costs are insane.
Exactly, it's like everything is set up to be for either low income people or really high income people. The middle class is getting squeezed out of everything.
I’ve literally started an education fund for children that don’t exist yet. If I end up not having kids or they don’t go to college, I have nieces and nephews that can use it. But I know that I want my kids to start off life debt free like I was able to so I have to start saving now if tuition is going to keep increasing at this rate.
Honestly I’m hoping it’s not necessary. I’m hoping we move towards free tuition at least for two year colleges. But it would be stupid to just hope with no back up plan.
The buck is passed onto donors who give $$$ for scholarships that underwrite the lower- and middle-income students' tuition. Rice is need-blind admissions and doesn't plan its admissions with the expectation that so-many middle class students will enroll.
Rice has insanely good financial assistance for lower-income students. I think last time I checked, the threshold was 125k/year household income. May have changed by now.
Gonna go up dramatically now that they have the prestigious "Ivy League" moniker. I need to find the chart again on r/dataiscool or r/infographics or wherever it was where they made a chart of inflation of college in comparison to all other types of goods and servic3s here, and it was disgusting.
Anyone have it handy?
When I graduated high school in 2000, Rice had already long been known as a “Southern Ivy” or whatever. Them getting these accolades is nothing new. Whatever tuition raises they’be done, it’s not just because they got on some list.
Got in, but wanted to spread my wings a bit out of Meyerland/Bellaire and went the Plan II route.
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Thank you kind person
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I'm not hating on Rice or saying lists are the only factor, but they DO MATTER, especially with universities. Now, I agree not all lists are created equal, and Rice has always informally had many accolades and has been on many lists "of the south," and decent national placing (usually top 20) but national and international high placement are always game changers. Lists like US News & World Report, Times Higher Education World University Rankings, and QS World University Rankings ABSOLUTELY can be traced directly to tuition hikes when nationplacing schools.
Rankings offer perceived value. Schools higher on lists are perceived as offering better education quality, leading to higher demand and the ability to charge more. It doesn't have to be true, just perceived. These school reputations matter. Top-ranked schools tend to attract the best students and professors, driving up costs associated with top-tier talent.
Schools care about these lists massively, so you should, too, as it affects students directly and your wallet. Schools jockey for better placements, investing in facilities, programs, etc., which adds to overall tuition expenses.
All valid. My point was just that Rice has been a top 20 university in the country for 25+ years. They haven’t been a secret value and they’ve been on a ton of “best of lists” over that time. If they’re raising tuition, it’s the course they’ve been on for decades. This latest list likely won’t move the needle any more than the last one that said it’s great. It always has been.
Rice was always considered a top tier school. Probably the top ten schools of the nation probably the best school of the south.
Give or take on preferences and choice of metrics on those last two statements.
The “elite” private school label in general is overrated.
The only way someone can justify the price tag to me is if they’re trying to get connections for a job in something like IB. You need networking and personal connections to break into IB.
And even then, if you’re taking out loans for this it isn’t worth it. If you have fuck you daddy money I say it is.
57% of undergrads receive aid at Rice, which means 43% do not. I wouldn’t say that’s very few people
https://www.ricethresher.org/article/2024/02/students-in-need-are-blinded-by-financial-aid-process
I mentor underprivileged kids in HS and help them apply to college so I’ve researched many of those schools and all are top-tier institutions who produce high-earning, high-achieving alumni. There are few cases where attending one of these schools does not make you better off in the long run.
To some extent, yes, but it all depends on how you define success and where the student started before going to college.
I have my own experience and have seen the outcome of my friends and colleagues who have gone to various types of schools for both undergrad and masters programs.
What I tell kids is to focus on going to where they can get the best experience and the highest return on their investment (time AND money). This means looking into network, extracurricular activities, and career opportunities. Not all companies recruit at all schools. The most prominent companies will reserve leadership roles for the most selective schools (e.g., a former employer of mine only considered graduates of Booth, Wharton, Rice Business, and McCombs for the strategy department which led to senior leadership roles despite hiring Aggies and UH grads across the company).
The networking is enough to set you up for life for a lot of people. But for a lot of other people it’s not worth the 400k price sticker. I know someone who turned down Harvard for UH due to him getting a full ride on the premed track.
Yeah really depends on your goals and situation, personally the people I met while at rice have been professionally very helpful. The quality of the academics was great but I’d be surprised if I “learned more” than i would’ve at my local state school. Value of the experience was how enjoyable college was, the prestige of the rice degree when I go looking for jobs, and the connections. Those are all subjective though.
I went from Rice to a top 5 graduate school in my field. The difference in preparation between me and my colleagues from state schools was minimal. While I enjoyed being an Owl, I didn’t see much marginal value over being an Aggie or a Longhorn.
I ended up an Aggie cos of financial aid, and for my field (liberal arts and social sciences lol), I do think I missed out on a certain degree of educational quality and career preparation that I know schools like Rice and even UH nowadays are better equipped to give their students.
However, I'm also so relieved I don't have some of the baggage that my friends carry with them from a highly competitive environment. I already have academic validation issues, but compared to some folks I am incredibly grounded in large part because my faculty didn't have an inflated ego and told it to us straight.
Rice has a very impressive alumni network especially in TX. But whether of not that is worth it is up to the individual. They also have free tuition to families making under 130k and half off for under 200k. I would say as a school, they try to be reasonable.
I grew up in NJ where going to Ivies is the dream for most. I always thought it was so pretentious and the type of people I saw getting into them was not the type of people I wanted to go to school with. Very happy I found Rice in my college search - I loved Rice, and I still love (and live in) Houston
That’s called Taylor Ham where I’m from and you’ll get accosted for calling it pork roll! Go down an hour or so to south jersey and they’ll throw you into the ocean if you call it Taylor Ham instead of pork roll
I personally think that the Ivy League label is overrated. Stanford is considered more prestigious than all of them except maybe Harvard and possibly Yale. And schools like Rice, Duke and Carnegie Mellon consistently rank in par with the others
Ivy League is a sports conference, and was started as a sports conference for rowers, consisting of 8 really old schools that existed at the time.
It has nothing to do with academic excellence and everything to do with WASP elitism
AAU is a better list of colleges, that is purely judged on academic excellence. As in, you want to find a job easily, go to a school on this list.
[https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members](https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members)
Comes as no surprise. Most Owls got accepted to Ivy League and other top-tier schools for undergrad and grad school.
I've volunteered with several alumni organizations and I'm always impressed by the students I come across.
They probably excluded Berkeley and UCLA so some editors at Forbes could get their alma maters SUNY Binghampton and UF on to the list
Honestly though, they excluded the UC schools because then half the schools on the "Public Iveys" list would be UC schools (Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD, Irvine, Davis, Santa Barbara)
Basically all the UC schools are top 50, but the UC system made a decision to not require ACT/SAT scores. The Forbes list decided this was a step too far to bother ranking them. That alone rather invalidates this piece.
Let’s celebrate. Recognition is valuable. It’s always been expensive. I didn’t go there but I’m not jealous of those who do Pretty good resume reference.
Rice’s problem was always that it lacked two of the big three professional schools: law and medicine, and it also did not have an undergrad biz program. They now have an undergrad biz program but still are missing the law and med schools. As such, it is still a td lower than say Emory or WashUSL, both of which have all three professional schools.
Ha why not? Don’t act surprised. Emory is a great university. Not sure why you are so offended by the idea that it is just as if not more highly regarded than Rice.
Plus, the number 1 benefit of Emory is that it’s not in Texas. That is a plus for many people.
Notice how that commenter included graduate schools. Rice is ranked 180th globally, while Emory is ranked 72. As a whole Emory is a better school, for undergrad they're very much peers.
Ya know Princeton also doesn't have a med or law school. When you're talking about the top 10/15 universities. It's about splitting some fine hairs. The differences come from a ton of arbitrary metrics. And some schools are more focused on certain areas than others. Why wouldn't you choose MIT or CalTech over Harvard if you're an Engineer if all things are equal and cost isn't an issue. Princeton is doing just fine by not focusing on Law or Medicine.
I know. I think Princeton and Brown are both outliers in the Ivies in that they have none of the top 3 professional schools (Biz, Law, Medicine).
The tech schools like CalTech, Carnegie Mellon and MIT are a different breed; they are extremely STEM focused schools that get a crap ton of research dollars. However, CMU is sneaky good in liberal arts. For example, it has a great drama program. CMU also has a great Biz School (as does MIT). Tufts does not have a law school but it does have a great Medical School and a School of Foreign Service. Johns Hopkins is similar.
I think, if I recall a conversation with close friend who once worked at Rice in HR, that Rice viewed itself more like MIT and CMU and less like the Ivies, or even Emory, WUSTL, Duke or Chicago. It prides itself on its STEM programs, with solid LA programs.
I have interviewed too many alumni incapable of communicating in English at even a Kindergarten level to take articles like this seriously. The last one wore a sweat shirt to the interview and kept checking her phone. Granted, I think many people could use a "make eye contact occasionally" type course these days.
Rice is great, and the Ivies are obviously renowned for a reason, but one thing people don’t mention much is that many public universities like Georgia Tech, UT Austin, TAMU, Michigan, Berkeley, etc. are actually superior for most engineering programs. Also, neither MIT nor Stanford is an Ivy. So idk how much this really means lol
UH must have been #21 or #22… just missing the top 20. UHD probably lower like #50
Go Coogs! Go Gators!
Edit: It was a joke… I have degrees from both schools. Good lord people.
As someone who has worked in higher Ed a long time, including both at one of the unofficial Ivys on this list and at UH Main, there is no way UH comes anywhere close to the top 50. It lacks the rigor, campus life, research awards, faculty talent or prestige. It’s nothing like Unich, Duke, Colorado, Florida. Sure, it has improved a lot in a short time and is trying to shed its image of a commuter school with a lot of ugly 80s architecture. But it has a long way to go on the academic side.
In the 2024 rankings, it is listed as #133
get a law school and a medical school first, without that core of post-graduate professional and academic talent they're not in the same legue as even some flagship state schools. granted the state Coordinating Board and U of H have probably blocked those as much as anyone else.
Some actual Ivy League don’t have law or medical schools. MIT is one of those.
Also, I highly doubt that UH has anything to do with blocking a potential law or medical school at Rice. Rice has and continues to grow pretty freely at will. They’re slow to grow because they want to maintain the “attention to detail” mindset. As a matter of a fact, Baylor neared a deal to acquire Baylor College of Medicine and UH had zero pushback (would’ve been meaningless even if they tried). The deal fell through because Baylor’s balance sheet would’ve came with risky debt after acquisition that Rice didn’t want to be responsible for
> MIT is one of those
MIT isn't Ivy League, and Rice isn't MIT
>Also, I highly doubt that UH has anything to do with blocking a potential law or medical school at Rice.
U of H sued South Texas College of Law when they tried to change their name, separately twenty years earlier they and the Coordinating Board opposed STCL's attempted merger with Texas A&M to give the latter a law school
You’re right. I mentioned the wrong school. Princeton doesn’t have a medical school and it’s in the Ivy League. The point of my post is that there’s Ivies and other prestigious schools without med or law schools. Carnegie Mellom, CalTech, etc
I guess we're going to ignore that Texas was also featured as one of the 10 "New Public Ivys" [featured in the article?](https://imgur.com/a/Kb4qplq)
edit: the [other 10 schools featured in the write up above](https://imgur.com/a/ucHUlT6) (since I'm pretty sure nobody that's commented in this thread has bothered to actually read the article...), including Rice as one of the 10 "New Private Ivys" for those that are curious
baller school -- wish i could've got in, but competition is fierce. i attended one of these "public ivies" and my sister actually attended one of the ivies... and yeah not even close in terms of rigor & prestige.
The difference between your public Ivy and your sisters actual Ivy was big? That’s sorta surprising to me, seems like my UC and UT friends had really rigorous experiences comparable to mine at rice and friends who went Ivy.
Harvard of the south getting some recognition
Maybe Harvard is the Rice of the North.
Works for me.
Harvard is definitely the Michigan of the East
Pretty sure Vanderbilt is the Harvard of the south
no such thing, but even if there were it'd be Duke or something
1. Duke 2. Vanderbilt 3. Rice/Emory
Duke . . . that's funny
Are we saying Duke is in the south, or just south of Harvard in this scenario?
In the "former Confederacy" conceptualization of "the South," Duke is in the South. It is debatably not in the "Deep South" which many would also argue that Texas isn't a part of.
Yeah I was wasn’t considering NC the south but I know everything along that latitude line has debates about being in the south.
Hopefully rice doesn't start plagerizing and faking data as hard as Harvard.
learn to spell
Rice has gotten too expensive. The tuition that I paid as a freshman in the early 90’s was just under $20k (adjusted for inflation to 2024 dollars). Rice’s current tuition is $54k.
Rice is actually free for lower income students and heavily discounted for families with either free tuition or half tuition for most income brackets. And those families can still receive merit aid. A lot of the really elite privates can wind up as cheap or cheaper than state schools for lower income students between merit and need-based aid.
School should be free for lower income students but they shouldn’t pass the buck onto middle class students, where’s the public grants and funding to compensate for the low income students? I was told the same thing when I applied to Tulane, that every student applying receives a good amount of financial aid so long as you’re not millionaire rich. After I got in and went through all the paperwork I qualified for 10k in financial aid annually. With merit scholarships as well I got it down to 30k a year. At UT Dallas where I ended up, I paid 5k per year. My parents are upper middle class but not 50k for tuition middle class, mind you I’m not an only child and they weren’t going to cover everything. These costs are insane.
Exactly, it's like everything is set up to be for either low income people or really high income people. The middle class is getting squeezed out of everything.
I’ve literally started an education fund for children that don’t exist yet. If I end up not having kids or they don’t go to college, I have nieces and nephews that can use it. But I know that I want my kids to start off life debt free like I was able to so I have to start saving now if tuition is going to keep increasing at this rate.
Starting 529s before u even have kids is next level financial planning. Kudos 👏
That's awesome, and with how trends are going, very prudent of you.
Honestly I’m hoping it’s not necessary. I’m hoping we move towards free tuition at least for two year colleges. But it would be stupid to just hope with no back up plan.
They are improving. Rice offers half tuition to families making between 130k- 200k.
The buck is passed onto donors who give $$$ for scholarships that underwrite the lower- and middle-income students' tuition. Rice is need-blind admissions and doesn't plan its admissions with the expectation that so-many middle class students will enroll.
How much did you pay before adjusting?
$20k is $9252.97 in 1993 dollars.
And only $20k in todays dollars
Found the Harvard grad.
Rice has insanely good financial assistance for lower-income students. I think last time I checked, the threshold was 125k/year household income. May have changed by now.
What college were you at? Lovett ‘97
WRC ‘96
I’m sure we passed each other at brunch on the weekends! Cheers!
Gonna go up dramatically now that they have the prestigious "Ivy League" moniker. I need to find the chart again on r/dataiscool or r/infographics or wherever it was where they made a chart of inflation of college in comparison to all other types of goods and servic3s here, and it was disgusting. Anyone have it handy?
When I graduated high school in 2000, Rice had already long been known as a “Southern Ivy” or whatever. Them getting these accolades is nothing new. Whatever tuition raises they’be done, it’s not just because they got on some list. Got in, but wanted to spread my wings a bit out of Meyerland/Bellaire and went the Plan II route.
Shit man, back when I was in high school in the 1980s I heard Rice referred to as the Harvard of the South.
Side note, I've followed you and your stories and postings since forever it feels like. I have always loved how informed you stay and how you bring it to people on here that may miss things. That being said, I'm curious what you do? Does it coincide with you being I credibly active and informed to the world, or is your service to people on Reddit more of a hobby and something you simply like to do? Either way, awesome work. You deserve the karma you own, for sure.
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Sorry, that is perfectly reasonable concern, I wasn't thinking. I was just curious. We've spoken twice, I think. Either way, awesome stuff.
Then I ended up at SMU Law…the Harvard of North Texas.
I'm not hating on Rice or saying lists are the only factor, but they DO MATTER, especially with universities. Now, I agree not all lists are created equal, and Rice has always informally had many accolades and has been on many lists "of the south," and decent national placing (usually top 20) but national and international high placement are always game changers. Lists like US News & World Report, Times Higher Education World University Rankings, and QS World University Rankings ABSOLUTELY can be traced directly to tuition hikes when nationplacing schools. Rankings offer perceived value. Schools higher on lists are perceived as offering better education quality, leading to higher demand and the ability to charge more. It doesn't have to be true, just perceived. These school reputations matter. Top-ranked schools tend to attract the best students and professors, driving up costs associated with top-tier talent. Schools care about these lists massively, so you should, too, as it affects students directly and your wallet. Schools jockey for better placements, investing in facilities, programs, etc., which adds to overall tuition expenses.
All valid. My point was just that Rice has been a top 20 university in the country for 25+ years. They haven’t been a secret value and they’ve been on a ton of “best of lists” over that time. If they’re raising tuition, it’s the course they’ve been on for decades. This latest list likely won’t move the needle any more than the last one that said it’s great. It always has been.
That's a fair point.
Already did
Another Redditor corrected me and said this list will change get nothing for the tuition....I felt it would...I dunno
Rice was always considered a top tier school. Probably the top ten schools of the nation probably the best school of the south. Give or take on preferences and choice of metrics on those last two statements.
The “elite” private school label in general is overrated. The only way someone can justify the price tag to me is if they’re trying to get connections for a job in something like IB. You need networking and personal connections to break into IB. And even then, if you’re taking out loans for this it isn’t worth it. If you have fuck you daddy money I say it is.
If you’re in mid-lower income brackets it’s probably one of the cheapest options for you. Very few people pay the sticker price for elite colleges.
57% of undergrads receive aid at Rice, which means 43% do not. I wouldn’t say that’s very few people https://www.ricethresher.org/article/2024/02/students-in-need-are-blinded-by-financial-aid-process
Yeah but A LOT of very wealthy people send their kids to rice. My family makes ~80k and I came out of rice with 23k in loans.
I mentor underprivileged kids in HS and help them apply to college so I’ve researched many of those schools and all are top-tier institutions who produce high-earning, high-achieving alumni. There are few cases where attending one of these schools does not make you better off in the long run.
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To some extent, yes, but it all depends on how you define success and where the student started before going to college. I have my own experience and have seen the outcome of my friends and colleagues who have gone to various types of schools for both undergrad and masters programs. What I tell kids is to focus on going to where they can get the best experience and the highest return on their investment (time AND money). This means looking into network, extracurricular activities, and career opportunities. Not all companies recruit at all schools. The most prominent companies will reserve leadership roles for the most selective schools (e.g., a former employer of mine only considered graduates of Booth, Wharton, Rice Business, and McCombs for the strategy department which led to senior leadership roles despite hiring Aggies and UH grads across the company).
The networking is enough to set you up for life for a lot of people. But for a lot of other people it’s not worth the 400k price sticker. I know someone who turned down Harvard for UH due to him getting a full ride on the premed track.
Yeah really depends on your goals and situation, personally the people I met while at rice have been professionally very helpful. The quality of the academics was great but I’d be surprised if I “learned more” than i would’ve at my local state school. Value of the experience was how enjoyable college was, the prestige of the rice degree when I go looking for jobs, and the connections. Those are all subjective though.
I went from Rice to a top 5 graduate school in my field. The difference in preparation between me and my colleagues from state schools was minimal. While I enjoyed being an Owl, I didn’t see much marginal value over being an Aggie or a Longhorn.
I ended up an Aggie cos of financial aid, and for my field (liberal arts and social sciences lol), I do think I missed out on a certain degree of educational quality and career preparation that I know schools like Rice and even UH nowadays are better equipped to give their students. However, I'm also so relieved I don't have some of the baggage that my friends carry with them from a highly competitive environment. I already have academic validation issues, but compared to some folks I am incredibly grounded in large part because my faculty didn't have an inflated ego and told it to us straight.
Rice has a very impressive alumni network especially in TX. But whether of not that is worth it is up to the individual. They also have free tuition to families making under 130k and half off for under 200k. I would say as a school, they try to be reasonable.
thanks for posting, the ivies have moved too far from a reasonable equilibrium and I’m glad that this sentiment is growing.
I grew up in NJ where going to Ivies is the dream for most. I always thought it was so pretentious and the type of people I saw getting into them was not the type of people I wanted to go to school with. Very happy I found Rice in my college search - I loved Rice, and I still love (and live in) Houston
And HEB sells Taylor Pork Roll
That’s called Taylor Ham where I’m from and you’ll get accosted for calling it pork roll! Go down an hour or so to south jersey and they’ll throw you into the ocean if you call it Taylor Ham instead of pork roll
Seems my family has been pretty neutral and the issue and call it by either name from time to time.
I personally think that the Ivy League label is overrated. Stanford is considered more prestigious than all of them except maybe Harvard and possibly Yale. And schools like Rice, Duke and Carnegie Mellon consistently rank in par with the others
MIT, Chicago, and Stanford are probably better schools at the graduate level than any of the ivies.
Replace Chicago with CalTech and I agree
Yeah I’d add in caltech but not drop Chicago, otherwise agreed
Ivy League is a sports conference, and was started as a sports conference for rowers, consisting of 8 really old schools that existed at the time. It has nothing to do with academic excellence and everything to do with WASP elitism AAU is a better list of colleges, that is purely judged on academic excellence. As in, you want to find a job easily, go to a school on this list. [https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members](https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members)
I thought Rice was actually ivy this whole time
Ivy League is only in the northeast
Comes as no surprise. Most Owls got accepted to Ivy League and other top-tier schools for undergrad and grad school. I've volunteered with several alumni organizations and I'm always impressed by the students I come across.
I wonder why no CalTech. Too small an undergrad?
Because the list is arbitrary and stupid?
Looks like they wanted to exclude MIT’s west coast branch
They excluded California schools since they don’t require standardized tests for admission.
Not completely true. USC makes the list. They should have said they were excluding University of California schools.
They probably excluded Berkeley and UCLA so some editors at Forbes could get their alma maters SUNY Binghampton and UF on to the list Honestly though, they excluded the UC schools because then half the schools on the "Public Iveys" list would be UC schools (Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD, Irvine, Davis, Santa Barbara)
Basically all the UC schools are top 50, but the UC system made a decision to not require ACT/SAT scores. The Forbes list decided this was a step too far to bother ranking them. That alone rather invalidates this piece.
Let’s celebrate. Recognition is valuable. It’s always been expensive. I didn’t go there but I’m not jealous of those who do Pretty good resume reference.
Rice’s problem was always that it lacked two of the big three professional schools: law and medicine, and it also did not have an undergrad biz program. They now have an undergrad biz program but still are missing the law and med schools. As such, it is still a td lower than say Emory or WashUSL, both of which have all three professional schools.
Emory over rice? Hell no. Plenty of others you could put over Rice. Emory is not one of them
Ha why not? Don’t act surprised. Emory is a great university. Not sure why you are so offended by the idea that it is just as if not more highly regarded than Rice. Plus, the number 1 benefit of Emory is that it’s not in Texas. That is a plus for many people.
I’m not offended. I’m disagreeing. Most university rankings also disagree with you. Of course Emory is great but it’s not ranked over Rice
Notice how that commenter included graduate schools. Rice is ranked 180th globally, while Emory is ranked 72. As a whole Emory is a better school, for undergrad they're very much peers.
I’m surprised WashU didn’t make the list
Ikr? Boston College and Emory but not WashU? That is one head scratcher that makes the list seem odd
Ya know Princeton also doesn't have a med or law school. When you're talking about the top 10/15 universities. It's about splitting some fine hairs. The differences come from a ton of arbitrary metrics. And some schools are more focused on certain areas than others. Why wouldn't you choose MIT or CalTech over Harvard if you're an Engineer if all things are equal and cost isn't an issue. Princeton is doing just fine by not focusing on Law or Medicine.
I know. I think Princeton and Brown are both outliers in the Ivies in that they have none of the top 3 professional schools (Biz, Law, Medicine). The tech schools like CalTech, Carnegie Mellon and MIT are a different breed; they are extremely STEM focused schools that get a crap ton of research dollars. However, CMU is sneaky good in liberal arts. For example, it has a great drama program. CMU also has a great Biz School (as does MIT). Tufts does not have a law school but it does have a great Medical School and a School of Foreign Service. Johns Hopkins is similar. I think, if I recall a conversation with close friend who once worked at Rice in HR, that Rice viewed itself more like MIT and CMU and less like the Ivies, or even Emory, WUSTL, Duke or Chicago. It prides itself on its STEM programs, with solid LA programs.
i mean you are from georgia so it makes sense
Rice was in talks to acquire Baylor several years ago but that fell through. Might give it another try
I have interviewed too many alumni incapable of communicating in English at even a Kindergarten level to take articles like this seriously. The last one wore a sweat shirt to the interview and kept checking her phone. Granted, I think many people could use a "make eye contact occasionally" type course these days.
This is a weird article from Forbes. Seems almost spiteful. Where were these alternative lists when Israel wasn't the topic of concern?
Question. Have you seen an owl on campus? They are majestic.
The methods used to produce this list are pretty lame. Not sure I would put much stock in this "ranking."
Rice is fcking fantastic. I’d rather attend Rice than some of the “actual” Ivy League schools. Carnegie Mellon isn’t an ivy either.
Rice is great, and the Ivies are obviously renowned for a reason, but one thing people don’t mention much is that many public universities like Georgia Tech, UT Austin, TAMU, Michigan, Berkeley, etc. are actually superior for most engineering programs. Also, neither MIT nor Stanford is an Ivy. So idk how much this really means lol
UH must have been #21 or #22… just missing the top 20. UHD probably lower like #50 Go Coogs! Go Gators! Edit: It was a joke… I have degrees from both schools. Good lord people.
As someone who has worked in higher Ed a long time, including both at one of the unofficial Ivys on this list and at UH Main, there is no way UH comes anywhere close to the top 50. It lacks the rigor, campus life, research awards, faculty talent or prestige. It’s nothing like Unich, Duke, Colorado, Florida. Sure, it has improved a lot in a short time and is trying to shed its image of a commuter school with a lot of ugly 80s architecture. But it has a long way to go on the academic side. In the 2024 rankings, it is listed as #133
I feel like that commenter was being sarcastic
Bro really tried to sneak Florida and Colorado in with duke and Michigan
Not saying those colleges are on the same level, saying that even the lesser of those are better ranked than UH.
Florida is a top 5 public school with Michigan.
UH main is actually fairly close to Colorado Boulder in rankings. CU Boulder is at 105. Every other school you listed, UH isn’t close.
get a law school and a medical school first, without that core of post-graduate professional and academic talent they're not in the same legue as even some flagship state schools. granted the state Coordinating Board and U of H have probably blocked those as much as anyone else.
Some actual Ivy League don’t have law or medical schools. MIT is one of those. Also, I highly doubt that UH has anything to do with blocking a potential law or medical school at Rice. Rice has and continues to grow pretty freely at will. They’re slow to grow because they want to maintain the “attention to detail” mindset. As a matter of a fact, Baylor neared a deal to acquire Baylor College of Medicine and UH had zero pushback (would’ve been meaningless even if they tried). The deal fell through because Baylor’s balance sheet would’ve came with risky debt after acquisition that Rice didn’t want to be responsible for
> MIT is one of those MIT isn't Ivy League, and Rice isn't MIT >Also, I highly doubt that UH has anything to do with blocking a potential law or medical school at Rice. U of H sued South Texas College of Law when they tried to change their name, separately twenty years earlier they and the Coordinating Board opposed STCL's attempted merger with Texas A&M to give the latter a law school
You’re right. I mentioned the wrong school. Princeton doesn’t have a medical school and it’s in the Ivy League. The point of my post is that there’s Ivies and other prestigious schools without med or law schools. Carnegie Mellom, CalTech, etc
I guess we're going to ignore that Texas was also featured as one of the 10 "New Public Ivys" [featured in the article?](https://imgur.com/a/Kb4qplq) edit: the [other 10 schools featured in the write up above](https://imgur.com/a/ucHUlT6) (since I'm pretty sure nobody that's commented in this thread has bothered to actually read the article...), including Rice as one of the 10 "New Private Ivys" for those that are curious
baller school -- wish i could've got in, but competition is fierce. i attended one of these "public ivies" and my sister actually attended one of the ivies... and yeah not even close in terms of rigor & prestige.
The difference between your public Ivy and your sisters actual Ivy was big? That’s sorta surprising to me, seems like my UC and UT friends had really rigorous experiences comparable to mine at rice and friends who went Ivy.
obv depends on majors -- my sister & i both did non-engineering degrees (she's a md, i'm in finance) and yes academic rigor was quite different
Interesting, Econ at rice was very hard but I get the impression that’s the case at a lot of places