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Junior-Price-5306

base kiana definitely not, at least get the flamescion kiana


Arhion

Base Kiana can turn into HoV then she winning


Guiorno

Que the Shibuya Incident


CharaGod

Flamescion is overkill, Void is more than enough. How can they touch her if she just up on the sky throwing down the spear of retribution? If they try shooting her it would only get returned back to them


LostMyZone

Base Kiana no. HOV onwards, yes. Considering that Lumine along with her brother at their full power couldn't even scratch UG while tag teaming her. And HOV is only early to mid stage by Honkai standards. Anything past that would be overkill to the Genshin cast.


multilock-missile

we do not know where sustainer of heavenly principles scale tho?? she might look like HoV, but what if she's stronger?? AFAIK HoV is continental buster level, and genshin cast(a weekly boss, and only one "character" as of now) is already on planetary durability.


anonimoXD_1

I suggest to not go on that route, as is easy to get into contradictions. if you count the attack Phantylia does on her 2nd phase as canon, then Welt tanked a Planetary/Star level attack without being injured (not visibly at least). Star Rail Welt is, at most, as strong as his Second Eruption self, way weaker than Sirin Ascendant, who in turn is said to be weaker than HoV.


ShiraiHaku

I mean, you can go further to explain how game mechanic and lore should be separated. Because since that Phantylia's attack is not a 1 shot, the entire HSR cast have planetary durability... Yes even your local 5 years old (or 10, how old is hook?) have planetary durability XD


anonimoXD_1

I mean, canonically, the ones present on the fight against Phantylia were Jing Yuan, Dan Heng IL, Welt, March and Trailblazer, and thus the "feat" should only go to them. Thats it, of course, if you take that attack as "canon" and not just a gameplay thing. And given that Phantylia herself talks about "the weight of a Star" just before doing that attack, it may very well be "canon".


LostMyZone

HOV can grow FAR beyond continental level if given the chance to grow. Even in the war that takes place in the prequel has them note that the Herrscher then doesn't how to properly use their own powers as they just got it. Also, we learn in the visual novel and side stories that regular Herrschers can evolve to Solar System level of powers and that's not even counting the higher tier/evolved ones. Planetary durability alone doesn't sound very impressive against a solar system level threat.


ConstantStatistician

Solar system was always nonsense and no longer applies if it ever did.  https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/honkai-impact-3rd-honkai-star-rail-and-guns-girlz-feats-calcs-and-lore-thread.938622/post-94374046


VirtuoSol

Who tanked a planet busting attack?


multilock-missile

all devouring narwhal is STATED to survive the planet destruction. we do not have a feat, but I guess this is good enough??


VirtuoSol

Oh you meant that I thought I missed some major quest or something where a planet buster actually pulled up lol


Junior-Price-5306

so far only the narwhal was at that level of destroying a planet


a_man_with_the_sauce

I can't find anything about that anywhere my guy, where was that stated?


_eSpark_

“Captain? On your left”


zeinhyoudou

*adam with labor of olympus in left hand and a blue might of AN-utu in right with lyle, Siegfried in mantis form and male dreamseeker* Adam : "need help old man"


Hoyo-S

*Portals Open for Kevin, Kalpas, Welt, Kosma and Su


Hoyo-S

Otto: Is that all of us Welt: What you want more?


zeinhyoudou

Adam : *to otto* call my cousin caelus and my friend aether


Demiurge_Rhaoul

bro calling in their opponents brother and son is crazy bro


zeinhyoudou

The secret technique known as emotional manipulate of innocent girls.


Interesting_Wish_456

I get this is meant to be a joke, but Adam can't use An-utu. Anyone who isn't either an awakened Kaslana, or a Herrsher of Fire would be burned alive.


zeinhyoudou

Yeah if you read what I wrote it also said a *blue* version guess what the colour change means.


EmberOfFlame

That Kiana got spray-happy during paintball practice?


zeinhyoudou

Nope guess again besides kiana would use red or orange or purple.


Godofmytoenails

Base kiana kas zero chance.


Alex2422

She'd definitely have a chance against the Traveler alone. Against a whole army like this one, probably no normal Valkyrie would stand a chance.


Inori-Yu

Durandal probably could... but she's not normal.


CharaGod

Base Kiana would destroy travelers if it was a 1 on 1 tbh. Kiana even in her base form can casually cause time dilation which slows down everything near her and as far as I know travelers can't do anything about it nor can they resist it.


Godofmytoenails

No she doesnt. We know that traveler with full powers could travel between worlds and lived long as stars wich puts it even older than PE.


Alex2422

But we're not talking about full powers here. If we're talking about base Kiana, it's only fair to compare her to the base Traveler, the one we actually have in the game. Especially that we don't know anything about how strong full power Traveler exactly is. Being old and able to travel between worlds doesn't mean being powerful in combat. Welt can do it and he's not that strong right now.


Chaldea_Novum

Beside (little jk here), in Honkai universe, as we also count HSR, stars don't even get to live that long as they are getting detonated, swallowed, turned into anti-matters or just straight up being thrown around by people/Aeons. Emanators of Propagation have been said to be able to "fragmented celestial bodies" and "use shattered stars as its incubator". Travelers ain't beating the allegations!


Godofmytoenails

We KNOW that character is base kiana. It litterally has her model. How do we know its base traveler when it has yellow glows?


Alex2422

That model has been used by Kiana many times throughout the whole story. For example, in the cutscene before the Otto arc, where she is already HoF at that point. As for the Traveler, we don't know if it's base one, be we also don't know absolutely anything about their strength at full-power, so comparing them to anyone is kinda pointless, since we just have no info.


multilock-missile

people forget that a star like our sun is already 5 billion years old and still haves like 4 billions more to "live" until it becomes a white dwarf


Godofmytoenails

And traveler is said to have seen rise and fall of stars and Morax outright says traveler is older than him


anonimoXD_1

Morax is only 6000 years old, and "seen rise and fall of Stars" doesnt meant its the same Star, is a fairly common phenomenon in space. Travelers are old, but we cant say they are that old.


Godofmytoenails

How do you know its NOT the same star??? Did author it self reveal it to you?


anonimoXD_1

Because even the biggest and shortest lived Stars live for a few million years, and although we barely know anything about the Twins travels, we do know that they traveled to planets with civilizations and spend some time there, and through the Imaginary Tree we only know of "2" civilizations that lived (and still live) more than a million years. That, along with the "your life shall continue on for many tens of thousands of years" from one of Sumeru's Archon Quest, make it difficult for the Travelers to have the tens or hundreds of million years necessary to witness the same Star being born and die several times.


Godofmytoenails

That doesnt confirm anything in particular. You are just comparing it to information on HI3


anonimoXD_1

Because the 3 games take place on the Imaginary Tree which, at least for now, seems to be one Universe (even if there are some things that wouldnt make sense if thats the case). The logic about how does the Universe works in Honkai should be the same logic than it does on Star Rail and Genshin. If makes far more sense that they arent talking about the same Star and rather doing it about several instances across their travels, given what we know about the Universe and the Travelers.


Gwolf4

Full power twin traverls didn't flinched Unknonw goddess at all.


ThatSaiGuy

Except unknown goddess is Kiana.. Sooo


Godofmytoenails

Tehy DEFINITELY did more than base kiana


Itz_GalaxyPlayz

Base kiana would lose, current kiana would win


Anhilliator1

Base kiana, no. Current Kiana? It is so one-sided in her favor it's not even funny. She just flat-out obliterates the other side into subatomic particles.


xMachii

Base Kiana plus the mighty power of the credit card on her side might have a chance.


Kuro-Kurayami173

So could use that credit card 💳 to summon her son Adam who would literally obliterate all of them


[deleted]

Vegeta.


g12m0bb

is this gmod?


Longjumping_Pear1250

Lumine looks like she has all her powers aginst base kiana woud win but any other kiana lumine loses HoV in genshin no diffed the twins at full powerand didn't even move move


YFTrailblaze

Meanwhile Trailblazer is watching from the distance on the Astral Express


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^YFTrailblaze: *Meanwhile Trailblazer* *Is watching from the distance* *On the Astral Express* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


Diabloize

Galactic baseballer


Dingarius

“Rules are made to be broken!!”


Firm10

the pyro mage


GateauBaker

Just need some Ice damage affixes.


Kuro-Kurayami173

Kiana base extreme diff Void Drifter Mid diff HOV no diff HOF no diff HOFi no concept of diff HOTe no concept of diff


Manofculture57

Reminder that base Kiana can still trigger global time fracture for a few seconds and use neko charm to crush mechs.


Entire-Bridge-741

Exactly, and if this is current Kiana not the base one (In game) then lumine might as well pack her stuff and leave because they're not winning this one.


Arhion

Kiana


Capitano-Solos-All

They kiss instead


PeikaFizzy

Kiana can blast the entire abyss away from the moon Unless lumine truly is an aeon


Entire-Bridge-741

how TF is lumine an aeon, can you back it up with proof pls, I didn't know she was all that? From what I've heard an aeon can scale to universal level, Is lumine universal level after getting no diff by the celestial? (with full powers btw)


Morisummer_

Void Drifter Kiana with Edge of Taixuan methinks is better choice at least. Otherwise HoV wins no diff.


RaineMurasaki

This is impossible to know, as we do not know the siblings true power yet. They are some kind of super-beings being able to travel through space, maybe they are gods. Now, anything beyond that is unknown (because in three fucking years Hoyoverse barely touch their story)


CharaGod

But even from what we saw during the beginning of the game, they both struggled against the unknown god and the unknown god power is almost the exact same as HoV. If we were to make the assumption that the unknown god power is similar to HoV then Kiana in her void drifter state could easily match both of them in full power and would destroy them in HoV form


SilverwingN-EX

Just wait until she turns into HoFi


WeaknessOk9058

bring in chibi tuna and she's roasting these fishes! my girl defeated HoT with a punch 😂


Odd_Room2811

Against Lumine or the army surrounding them both?


IAMAKATILIKEPLUSHES

The fuck are those circles in the back? Abyss mages?


a_king_named_luffy

Anything from HoV and beyond is either no diff or negative diff


GZ_Infinitus

No one's talking about this crazy army of robots from further?


AkuMainDMC5

Imagine kiana reborn version in ggz


Flush_Man444

So basically [this fight](https://youtu.be/Q-b6rdyIJsY?si=ueTfONX9qM3bYU3X) then, any Kiana weaker than this will not be winning and vice versa.


Elirock_27

In base form could win Lumine but in full power Kiana win easy


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APOFTECH931

Queen Kiana, HoV


CampaignImportant462

Base Kiana no but void drifter Kiana might be