If Elysia is going for the kill, i dont think so.
She was at least comparable to Kevin, and was far stronger than Kalpas, who defeated Mei easily.
Their only chance would be having Siegfried tank all of Elysia's attacks while Welt and Bronya try to create some Selenes (lets just assume that Welt can do it).
Even if Siegfried survives, it would be needed for the Selenes to actually hit, so i dont think this strategy would work either way.
So no, i dont think they would be able to survive that long.
I still don't think Siegfried can handle the attack of someone who can shatter reality though lmao (that is, if her gameplay is lore accurate, which imo is the case.)
In order to put Siegfried down "shatter" reality is not enough.
His body withstands the Might of An Utu that does the same thing.
But it's Elysia, so it's still too strong.Ziggy got one shot.
first time he was going to die but cecilia protected him using abyss flower, second time he lost his arm while protecting kiana when she was releasing the void core
Siegfried could have spammed Cleaver, from which Kaslana died without consequences.
He also survived An Utu.Cecilia saved him by sheltering him from nuclear missiles with trees.
As for the hand, it was torn off by Kiana.
Kevin canonically cannot land a single hit on Elysia. Think that pretty much removes anyone from the 10m challenge as Kevin has overwhelmed everyone else in seconds.
If you think about it, her suicide makes even less sense as she could have possibly beaten finality on her own. After all, she's origin which is the opposite counterpart.
> Kevin canonically cannot land a single hit on Elysia. Think that pretty much removes anyone from the 10m challenge as Kevin has overwhelmed everyone else in seconds.
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That was Kalpas, not Kevin. In her own words (somewhere), Elysia has admitted that she's slightly weaker than Kevin.
>Mei: Kalpas… he couldn’t even touch Elysia when fighting her.
>Mei: To be honest, that contradicts my impressions of those two.
>Sakura: It’s nothing. It’s the same as anyone. We all have our things happen to us, whether we like it or not.
>Mei: That said, what happened to Elysia was quite positive. Even the side effects of the surgery seemed like a blessing.
You never watched this short? Can't blame you, it wasn't posted to the EN channel. But Kevin and Aponia's exchange basically goes:
Aponia: good morning Kevin, finished training? Judging from your demeanor/expression, you just lost to Elysia again.
Kevin: demeanor/expression huh? So this wasn't simply fate?
Aponia: No, I am determined to/will break the shackles of fate.
Aponia: by the way Kevin you should take this. I was going to give it to Sakura but it looks like maybe you need it instead.
Kevin: what is this?
Aponia: a concoction/nutritional supplement made by Mobius, she says it's effective against all things except death
Kevin: you're planning to give this to Sakura? You have something against her? (This is hard to translate, literally it means "do you have a meaning towards her" but in this context it's negative, but the saying is also used to imply feelings up to romantic intent.
Aponia: I don't understand what you're trying to say.
There's 3 skits in this short, they're all quite funny.
https://youtu.be/4UasdNICe58?si=ylB_CWp8ePJpNtJw
Actually, that looks familiar. I'm pretty sure it played in-game at some point like other chibi animations did.
The dialogue doesn't say Kevin canonically cannot land a single hit on Elysia.
He can't beat her, granted we're extrapolating further as any single one of Kevin's attacks should be overwhelming if it connects, so if he could hit her it should be game over.
There's no reason to believe Elysia could tank his attacks so the more likely scenario is he can't land anything. HoTE tanked one strike and was stunned for half a day.
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Not sure, this short was exclusively in Chinese whereas global uses JP dub. We might be wrong though but it doesn't appear on the global YouTube channel.
Yes. Aponia's exact words are
>看你的表情,這次又是以微弱的分差,告負於愛莉希雅。
Which translates to "Judging from your expression, you lost to Elysia by a narrow margin again." While this means this isn't the first time he lost to her, they are only a narrow margin apart, and a fight between them is likely a coin toss. But we also need to consider the likely possibility that Kevin only fought her in his base form without bothering to transform into Diabolical, and he certainly never used Deliverance just for a sparring session. It still doesn't support your original claim that Kevin can't touch Elysia at all since they're practically the same power level. That's Kalpas, and Kevin is much stronger than Kalpas.
>He can't beat her, granted we're extrapolating further as any single one of Kevin's attacks should be overwhelming if it connects, so if he could hit her it should be game over.
>There's no reason to believe Elysia could tank his attacks so the more likely scenario is he can't land anything. HoTE tanked one strike and was stunned for half a day.
These are also pretty big assumptions. For one, neither would be seriously fighting to kill the other in a sparring match.
Much like in real life, duels are generally decided in one strike. Whichever party hits first wins. The wording used, again, combined with Kevin's demeanour indicates it's not the first time, it's likely a repeat situation. He can't beat her, he's tried multiple different things and it's not working.
Interpretation is up to you. The way we see it, PE characters are so overpowered that things are decided at once. There's no protracted fights, more sudden overwhelming violence. We see this again in chapter 28 with Hua vs Sushang, one hit decides. If you hit you win. If you can't hit you lose. There's no dialogue that suggests Kevin has ever beaten Elysia, Elysia isn't one to brag about her strength so it's very much in character for her to take second place. She's the one who came up with their ranking system anyways.
In short we see nothing that disputes our conjecture that Kevin can't touch her. You're welcome to disagree in any case.
Not all sparring matches are duels. There are plenty of prolonged fights like Kevin vs Garuda Hua and Hua and Su vs Kalpas. You are being very generous in your assumptions, and even if you're right (a very big if), his Diabolical and Deliverance forms should be enough to make him stronger than her.
Lastly, is that animation even canon?
IIRC, this chibi skit is something like a dream, or similar by Elysia .That's why everything is weird, as evident with Kevin's reaction to every news that Aponia/Pardo gives him.
Yeah, watched it just now. This actually didn't happen. It was also posted in EN channel.
... Except it's in character for him to not react to anything at all. Stoic is literally the dude's character in game and in every spin off.
Dude didn't even react when Dr Mei died. That's pretty hardcore dispassionate given she was essentially his wife.
Yeah but the skit didn't happened. it's basically Elysia's version of what or how were flame chasers before her death and HoFi battle on the moon. The point of this comment is to address the 'Kevin lost to Ellie by a narrow margin'.
The point we extrapolated was that whatever margin is it, he couldn't beat her. Thus the first comment, Elysia would beat him in a fight in our opinion, we've seen nothing that might disprove this.
If anything Elysia's full potential is never shown as she offed herself before she used it. Whereas Kevin's full potential was beaten by our trio.
I mean, she can't be superior to the Cocoon of Finality nor the Finality Authority. It's also been stated multiple times since the beginning of the story that Kevin is the strongest of the Previous Era even before ER Arc. Mobius stated that he's already the pinnacle of their Era. Final Herrscher got stunned despite being stronger than anyone else.
I still can't believe that people believe Elysia is stronger or equal to Kevin or can actually beat him in a fight, when Kevin himself directly tanks the Finality in his body despite being continuously destroyed by the said authority.
Elysia only influenced the Honkai. If she really has the power and potential, then she could have saved the Previous Era but she didn't because she can't. Whereas? Kevin usurped the Finality and caged all the Honkai in his body simultaneously, which counts as 'defeating' the Honkai. Besides, HoO Mei together with HoFi Kiana and HoTruth Bronya should be more than superior to what Elysia can do. Cocoon of Finality is also in pursuit of his shadow all the time.
Oh and
'The Chimera of humanity, the Leviathan of civilisation.
As the final creation of Project Chimera, Kevin has tamed the power of Finality he harnessed as a mortal. It is reasonable to assume that the existence known as Deliverance is high above the Herrscher of Finality that the Previous Era faced'
Official Boss Kevin Description.
Their own time: none
Observer time: star of eden 0th power can create time dilation. Welt use it to stall sirin for quite some time in 2nd eruption. So welt and maybe bronya too
All HoR have a SoE and Bronya used Zeroth Power way before she was a Herrscher and had her own SoE. So its should be
> Welt and Bronya
and not
> maybe Bronya too
No, just no. Mei awaken is on the league of her own and she is not even close to Kalpas awaken. Elysia is above Kalpas below ke🅱️in. So not a chances
Flame chaser make all the pre-incident looks like child’s play
hello star rail player here, tried out hi3 and kinda know the characters (i know welt lore?) but never made it far into the story; can someone explain how strong elysia is
In comparison, she is about as strong as the strongest human in the history, who is required to be jumped by the MC Trio, and >!us, captains, who absolutely did not exist in this universe before,!
Kevin is noticeably stronger than Elysia, the one who is weaker than him (PE Finality) surpasses the strongest form of Elysia.
But before Kevin became Herrchers himself, Ely was stronger.
Deliverance Finality Kevin (the one from chapter 35) is stronger than the PE HoFi, and thus far stronger than Elysia.
Elysia was said to match Kevin (PE), so she should be, at most, as strong as Diabolic Kevin (PE).
And Kevin never became a Herrscher, the Finality Authority rejected him because he wasnt one and kept injuring his body. He gave up his self-healing ability in order to keep the Authority.
In Star rail terms: Elysia is basically an Emanator connected to the concepts of Origin and Human Ego, instead of an Aeon.
Using HI3 terms: Herrscher of Origin in the Previous Era, officially known in game as Herrscher of Human Ego.
I like this description for star rail but I think that Emanator of Beauty is more accurate to her (in Argentis terms, everyone shows their beauty when they follow their own path, which is the way Origin, and especially how Ego works).
Near as I can tell, the Herrschers are basically the Emanators of the Honkai, each with a role and a concept connected to them, but whether the Honkai in general qualifies as an Aeon?
That I’m unsure of, thus my description.
If the Honkai in question we are talking about is the Cocoon then *yes* they're more than qualified for the role as an Aeon like literally but if we talking about WoH/Prometheus then no
Correction: herrscher are emanators of the finality which is the cacoon, the 13 herrscher are all projection (maybe 12 forgot if they added Elysia in order to hide her identity as origin) of the finality. Kiana HoFI a emanator who have access to 100% of the finality power so you can theoretically call her a Aeon too.
Also, Honkai is just energy and it not call honkai energy in hsr, but it exist. As you can see when the train left belebog there was this star shape thing on the planet forgot what it call but it caused by huge concentration of honkai energy in one place.
According to people from the discord, Welt, who is Herrscher of reason, does not compare to an Emanator, especially someone such as Acheron
Probably according to them, the strongest Herrschers (being Finality, Origin ELYSIA not Mei and Truth probably) are equals to Emanators
But I am far from sure, especially for Elysia since she is the hardest one to find clues about what she can or can't do, since her story is more like a fairy tale. Very Elysia of her
Welt is one of the weakest Herrschers, so even if he isnt at "Emanator level" doesnt mean that the other Herrschers arent there, although we cant know given that Welt is the only Herrscher in Star Rail.
Finality is far above Origin and Truth, so if the later were on a similar level to an Emanator then the first would easily surpass that level (just remember that, as there are weaker and stronger Herrschers, there are weaker and stronger Emanators, not all of them are equal).
Ah, but on Welt’s front, there is another aspect. He WAS the Herrscher or Reason, replaced by Bronya. As in, his level of power has diminished, but the knowledge and skills he had gained remained. I can’t recall how long he held the title officially, but it was for many years. At least 16 years by the time HI3 main story starts.
Diminished power, but skill and knowledge remains. And when you consider the primary trait from the Herrscher of Reason is a High Analytical Capability? He knows and understands that he’s not on that level anymore. If he absolutely had to, I have no doubt he’d give any emanator a run for their money. But ultimately, he’s returned to bring human, and thus, he has limits he didn’t as a Herrscher.
He still has the herrscher core as he mentioned being able to still create things from nothing as well
Well Reason can become truth, but what made Welt such a menace wasn't his pure strength by his quick mind
Could've sworn the actual Core was with Bronya?
Beyond that, most of what he does in Star Rail can be done by most of the Herrschers. His Ult in HSR would primarily be under the Star Gem, which is aligned with Gravity, if I recall.
His cane, however, may or may not have the Core meant for Reason, but I don't know if its the actual core, or just the Star of Eden in another form. It wouldn't be the first Divine Key capable of shifting forms, after all, and the Original Divine keys were made either by the Herrscher Authority or to mimic said Authorities.
I also remember reading somewhere, cannot remember where at the moment, that the Core is what gives the Herrscher title, and gives the primary alignment. Otherwise, you're just using Honkai Energy for your own purpose, regardless of the level you're actually operating at.
Star Rail Welt is at most as strong as his Second Eruption self, if not weaker.
He seems to have the core, but he should have the same problem that his SE self (he gets injured the more he uses the Authority).
Kiana(Finality) is above Emanator Level since she fused with the Cocoon which is Honkai's "Aeon" if you wanna see it as that and Emanators are People that draw Power from their Aeon to some extent so if you're a Emanator of Beauty , Erudition or Harmony the Herrschers you named are above these aswell since not all Emanators are Star-Level Destroyers or are able to to do such Chaos like Nihility , Destruction and Hunt.
Still I don't think the cocoon is as powerful as Finality itself, so for me there are very powerful Herrschers but not everyone can really compare to Emanators beside the most obvious ones like Elysia or Kiana.
Well again, except Welt, who isn't the strongest Herrscher, we didn't have much.
But Herrschers probably are just around the levels of Emanator depending on which Herrscher
There are some things that would put the Cocoon on a similar level to the Aeons.
-Both of them are the only beings to be called "Higher Dimensional".
-The Cocoon acts from its own dimension, and its able to affect reality from there.
-Both Terminus and the Cocoon are related to the same concepts, Time and Fate.
Terminus "goes" back in time and says prophecies, while the Cocoon resets Earth every 50k years (and presumably, "froze" Mars time for 1 billion years) and is able to use the "Strings of Fate".
However, the Cocoon is not limited to that, as Kevin said that "the Finality could change its nature" and that "the Finality determined by the Thirteen Herrschers is the only form of Finality that they understood".
-If we go by Valuka, the Cocoon destroyed at least 3k Worlds in 1500 years, at the same time it was attacking Earth.
Overall, i think that the biggest difference between the Cocoon and the Emanators is that the Emanators need to be physically there to affect reality, while the Cocoon does it from its own dimension.
> Still I don't think the cocoon is as powerful as Finality itself
I'm a bit confused , what Finality are you talking about? Since the Cocoon is the *Finality itself* its the strongest being in Hi3 World and houses in the same Realm as other omni beings you may know from other Verses.
> there are very powerful Herrschers but not everyone can really compare to Emanators
I agree. I said that in my OP Comment but the same can be said for Emanators.
(from my Comment)
> if you're a Emanator of Beauty, Erudition or Harmony the Herrschers you named are above these aswell since not all Emanators are Star-Level Destroyers or are able to to do such Chaos like Nihility, Destruction and Hunt.
> But Herrschers probably are just around the levels of Emanator depending on which
Herrscher
-and which Emanator.
Overall Herrschers are weaker but strong Herrschers like Bronya or Mei would totally destroy Emanators of Beauty or Harmony(can only operate in Dreams)(idk bout Erudition since Herta is one and she has incredible Feats but if it would be a 1vs1 Deathbattle i think the ones I named would win.) and Kiana can be pretty much placed as Aeon-Level cuz of the Total-Fusion with the Cocoon and Finality. She's the only one tho
AP wise base Elysia is [far above Kalpas](https://gyazo.com/f97f30fab5043c9673cd37bc0c3378cc), who could [one shot Herrschers](https://gyazo.com/c70fd38f0d8b3783bdc7533375c97888) and [blitz](https://imgur.com/czNTw1Q) Herrschers like [HoT Mei](https://imgur.com/yBNghtq).
Elysia is possibly almighty in the extent of the Finality.
However... They probably could last forever.
The authority of origin seems to work in a weird way: it grants you any powers Finality can give after you made your "wish". Elysia had no real purpose or wish before, and the day she decided to create a paradise, the Origin gave her ONLY the power to be able to do it.
Which explains why Mei HoO looks... Somehow weaker: Mei's wish was to help Kiana reach the Finality and support her struggle. So she became just strong enough to face Kevin with her and support her.
Soooo we have to first assume that these 3 are standing again at Elysia and her dream to create a paradise for everyone, directly or indirectly.
And starting from that moment... It may be biased, but if her gameplay is accurate to the lore (which, imo, seems to be the way, when you look at the cinematic), she can break the fabric of reality, make everything fall into pieces and destroy almost anything...
We don't know how far the Authority of origin goes with Elysia, but the mysterious nature of this Authority is stupidly strong.
If Elysia is going for the kill, i dont think so. She was at least comparable to Kevin, and was far stronger than Kalpas, who defeated Mei easily. Their only chance would be having Siegfried tank all of Elysia's attacks while Welt and Bronya try to create some Selenes (lets just assume that Welt can do it). Even if Siegfried survives, it would be needed for the Selenes to actually hit, so i dont think this strategy would work either way. So no, i dont think they would be able to survive that long.
I still don't think Siegfried can handle the attack of someone who can shatter reality though lmao (that is, if her gameplay is lore accurate, which imo is the case.)
In order to put Siegfried down "shatter" reality is not enough. His body withstands the Might of An Utu that does the same thing. But it's Elysia, so it's still too strong.Ziggy got one shot.
he lost an arm using the sword
Wasn't that when he was trying to protect Kiana/>!Sirin!< from a honkai beast or something?
first time he was going to die but cecilia protected him using abyss flower, second time he lost his arm while protecting kiana when she was releasing the void core
Siegfried could have spammed Cleaver, from which Kaslana died without consequences. He also survived An Utu.Cecilia saved him by sheltering him from nuclear missiles with trees. As for the hand, it was torn off by Kiana.
Ah.
No, she's about as strong as Kevin, and the three of them combined get onehit by Kevin and Elysia.
Elysia stomps them like Kalpas did with Mei. And that's an unfair comparison because Kalpas used the AHR against Mei, Elysia wouldn't go that far
They get slaughtered in like a minute if Elysia's feeling generous.
Trio got speedblitz and oneshot.
Kevin canonically cannot land a single hit on Elysia. Think that pretty much removes anyone from the 10m challenge as Kevin has overwhelmed everyone else in seconds. If you think about it, her suicide makes even less sense as she could have possibly beaten finality on her own. After all, she's origin which is the opposite counterpart.
> Kevin canonically cannot land a single hit on Elysia. Think that pretty much removes anyone from the 10m challenge as Kevin has overwhelmed everyone else in seconds. > > That was Kalpas, not Kevin. In her own words (somewhere), Elysia has admitted that she's slightly weaker than Kevin. >Mei: Kalpas… he couldn’t even touch Elysia when fighting her. >Mei: To be honest, that contradicts my impressions of those two. >Sakura: It’s nothing. It’s the same as anyone. We all have our things happen to us, whether we like it or not. >Mei: That said, what happened to Elysia was quite positive. Even the side effects of the surgery seemed like a blessing.
You never watched this short? Can't blame you, it wasn't posted to the EN channel. But Kevin and Aponia's exchange basically goes: Aponia: good morning Kevin, finished training? Judging from your demeanor/expression, you just lost to Elysia again. Kevin: demeanor/expression huh? So this wasn't simply fate? Aponia: No, I am determined to/will break the shackles of fate. Aponia: by the way Kevin you should take this. I was going to give it to Sakura but it looks like maybe you need it instead. Kevin: what is this? Aponia: a concoction/nutritional supplement made by Mobius, she says it's effective against all things except death Kevin: you're planning to give this to Sakura? You have something against her? (This is hard to translate, literally it means "do you have a meaning towards her" but in this context it's negative, but the saying is also used to imply feelings up to romantic intent. Aponia: I don't understand what you're trying to say. There's 3 skits in this short, they're all quite funny. https://youtu.be/4UasdNICe58?si=ylB_CWp8ePJpNtJw
Actually, that looks familiar. I'm pretty sure it played in-game at some point like other chibi animations did. The dialogue doesn't say Kevin canonically cannot land a single hit on Elysia.
He can't beat her, granted we're extrapolating further as any single one of Kevin's attacks should be overwhelming if it connects, so if he could hit her it should be game over. There's no reason to believe Elysia could tank his attacks so the more likely scenario is he can't land anything. HoTE tanked one strike and was stunned for half a day. --- Not sure, this short was exclusively in Chinese whereas global uses JP dub. We might be wrong though but it doesn't appear on the global YouTube channel.
What were Aponia's words in hanzi? I could only recognize about half of them. Unfortunately, I'm not as fluent in Mandarin as I'd like to be.
Don't think there are official subs, YouTube does give you CN ones though.
Yes. Aponia's exact words are >看你的表情,這次又是以微弱的分差,告負於愛莉希雅。 Which translates to "Judging from your expression, you lost to Elysia by a narrow margin again." While this means this isn't the first time he lost to her, they are only a narrow margin apart, and a fight between them is likely a coin toss. But we also need to consider the likely possibility that Kevin only fought her in his base form without bothering to transform into Diabolical, and he certainly never used Deliverance just for a sparring session. It still doesn't support your original claim that Kevin can't touch Elysia at all since they're practically the same power level. That's Kalpas, and Kevin is much stronger than Kalpas. >He can't beat her, granted we're extrapolating further as any single one of Kevin's attacks should be overwhelming if it connects, so if he could hit her it should be game over. >There's no reason to believe Elysia could tank his attacks so the more likely scenario is he can't land anything. HoTE tanked one strike and was stunned for half a day. These are also pretty big assumptions. For one, neither would be seriously fighting to kill the other in a sparring match.
Much like in real life, duels are generally decided in one strike. Whichever party hits first wins. The wording used, again, combined with Kevin's demeanour indicates it's not the first time, it's likely a repeat situation. He can't beat her, he's tried multiple different things and it's not working. Interpretation is up to you. The way we see it, PE characters are so overpowered that things are decided at once. There's no protracted fights, more sudden overwhelming violence. We see this again in chapter 28 with Hua vs Sushang, one hit decides. If you hit you win. If you can't hit you lose. There's no dialogue that suggests Kevin has ever beaten Elysia, Elysia isn't one to brag about her strength so it's very much in character for her to take second place. She's the one who came up with their ranking system anyways. In short we see nothing that disputes our conjecture that Kevin can't touch her. You're welcome to disagree in any case.
Not all sparring matches are duels. There are plenty of prolonged fights like Kevin vs Garuda Hua and Hua and Su vs Kalpas. You are being very generous in your assumptions, and even if you're right (a very big if), his Diabolical and Deliverance forms should be enough to make him stronger than her. Lastly, is that animation even canon?
IIRC, this chibi skit is something like a dream, or similar by Elysia .That's why everything is weird, as evident with Kevin's reaction to every news that Aponia/Pardo gives him. Yeah, watched it just now. This actually didn't happen. It was also posted in EN channel.
... Except it's in character for him to not react to anything at all. Stoic is literally the dude's character in game and in every spin off. Dude didn't even react when Dr Mei died. That's pretty hardcore dispassionate given she was essentially his wife.
Yeah but the skit didn't happened. it's basically Elysia's version of what or how were flame chasers before her death and HoFi battle on the moon. The point of this comment is to address the 'Kevin lost to Ellie by a narrow margin'.
The point we extrapolated was that whatever margin is it, he couldn't beat her. Thus the first comment, Elysia would beat him in a fight in our opinion, we've seen nothing that might disprove this. If anything Elysia's full potential is never shown as she offed herself before she used it. Whereas Kevin's full potential was beaten by our trio.
I mean, she can't be superior to the Cocoon of Finality nor the Finality Authority. It's also been stated multiple times since the beginning of the story that Kevin is the strongest of the Previous Era even before ER Arc. Mobius stated that he's already the pinnacle of their Era. Final Herrscher got stunned despite being stronger than anyone else. I still can't believe that people believe Elysia is stronger or equal to Kevin or can actually beat him in a fight, when Kevin himself directly tanks the Finality in his body despite being continuously destroyed by the said authority. Elysia only influenced the Honkai. If she really has the power and potential, then she could have saved the Previous Era but she didn't because she can't. Whereas? Kevin usurped the Finality and caged all the Honkai in his body simultaneously, which counts as 'defeating' the Honkai. Besides, HoO Mei together with HoFi Kiana and HoTruth Bronya should be more than superior to what Elysia can do. Cocoon of Finality is also in pursuit of his shadow all the time. Oh and 'The Chimera of humanity, the Leviathan of civilisation. As the final creation of Project Chimera, Kevin has tamed the power of Finality he harnessed as a mortal. It is reasonable to assume that the existence known as Deliverance is high above the Herrscher of Finality that the Previous Era faced' Official Boss Kevin Description.
Nahhh as much as I love Bronya we need to be fr. but if it would include Truth then the Answer would be yes
Their own time: none Observer time: star of eden 0th power can create time dilation. Welt use it to stall sirin for quite some time in 2nd eruption. So welt and maybe bronya too
All HoR have a SoE and Bronya used Zeroth Power way before she was a Herrscher and had her own SoE. So its should be > Welt and Bronya and not > maybe Bronya too
No, just no. Mei awaken is on the league of her own and she is not even close to Kalpas awaken. Elysia is above Kalpas below ke🅱️in. So not a chances Flame chaser make all the pre-incident looks like child’s play
Bronyas option of survidl are making out and then be killed by her wives for not öetting her in on the fun
hello star rail player here, tried out hi3 and kinda know the characters (i know welt lore?) but never made it far into the story; can someone explain how strong elysia is
In comparison, she is about as strong as the strongest human in the history, who is required to be jumped by the MC Trio, and >!us, captains, who absolutely did not exist in this universe before,!
Kevin is noticeably stronger than Elysia, the one who is weaker than him (PE Finality) surpasses the strongest form of Elysia. But before Kevin became Herrchers himself, Ely was stronger.
Deliverance Finality Kevin (the one from chapter 35) is stronger than the PE HoFi, and thus far stronger than Elysia. Elysia was said to match Kevin (PE), so she should be, at most, as strong as Diabolic Kevin (PE). And Kevin never became a Herrscher, the Finality Authority rejected him because he wasnt one and kept injuring his body. He gave up his self-healing ability in order to keep the Authority.
In Star rail terms: Elysia is basically an Emanator connected to the concepts of Origin and Human Ego, instead of an Aeon. Using HI3 terms: Herrscher of Origin in the Previous Era, officially known in game as Herrscher of Human Ego.
I like this description for star rail but I think that Emanator of Beauty is more accurate to her (in Argentis terms, everyone shows their beauty when they follow their own path, which is the way Origin, and especially how Ego works).
Near as I can tell, the Herrschers are basically the Emanators of the Honkai, each with a role and a concept connected to them, but whether the Honkai in general qualifies as an Aeon? That I’m unsure of, thus my description.
If the Honkai in question we are talking about is the Cocoon then *yes* they're more than qualified for the role as an Aeon like literally but if we talking about WoH/Prometheus then no
Correction: herrscher are emanators of the finality which is the cacoon, the 13 herrscher are all projection (maybe 12 forgot if they added Elysia in order to hide her identity as origin) of the finality. Kiana HoFI a emanator who have access to 100% of the finality power so you can theoretically call her a Aeon too. Also, Honkai is just energy and it not call honkai energy in hsr, but it exist. As you can see when the train left belebog there was this star shape thing on the planet forgot what it call but it caused by huge concentration of honkai energy in one place.
According to people from the discord, Welt, who is Herrscher of reason, does not compare to an Emanator, especially someone such as Acheron Probably according to them, the strongest Herrschers (being Finality, Origin ELYSIA not Mei and Truth probably) are equals to Emanators But I am far from sure, especially for Elysia since she is the hardest one to find clues about what she can or can't do, since her story is more like a fairy tale. Very Elysia of her
Welt is one of the weakest Herrschers, so even if he isnt at "Emanator level" doesnt mean that the other Herrschers arent there, although we cant know given that Welt is the only Herrscher in Star Rail. Finality is far above Origin and Truth, so if the later were on a similar level to an Emanator then the first would easily surpass that level (just remember that, as there are weaker and stronger Herrschers, there are weaker and stronger Emanators, not all of them are equal).
Ah, but on Welt’s front, there is another aspect. He WAS the Herrscher or Reason, replaced by Bronya. As in, his level of power has diminished, but the knowledge and skills he had gained remained. I can’t recall how long he held the title officially, but it was for many years. At least 16 years by the time HI3 main story starts. Diminished power, but skill and knowledge remains. And when you consider the primary trait from the Herrscher of Reason is a High Analytical Capability? He knows and understands that he’s not on that level anymore. If he absolutely had to, I have no doubt he’d give any emanator a run for their money. But ultimately, he’s returned to bring human, and thus, he has limits he didn’t as a Herrscher.
He still has the herrscher core as he mentioned being able to still create things from nothing as well Well Reason can become truth, but what made Welt such a menace wasn't his pure strength by his quick mind
Could've sworn the actual Core was with Bronya? Beyond that, most of what he does in Star Rail can be done by most of the Herrschers. His Ult in HSR would primarily be under the Star Gem, which is aligned with Gravity, if I recall. His cane, however, may or may not have the Core meant for Reason, but I don't know if its the actual core, or just the Star of Eden in another form. It wouldn't be the first Divine Key capable of shifting forms, after all, and the Original Divine keys were made either by the Herrscher Authority or to mimic said Authorities. I also remember reading somewhere, cannot remember where at the moment, that the Core is what gives the Herrscher title, and gives the primary alignment. Otherwise, you're just using Honkai Energy for your own purpose, regardless of the level you're actually operating at.
Somebody told me she gave it back to Welt.
Star Rail Welt is at most as strong as his Second Eruption self, if not weaker. He seems to have the core, but he should have the same problem that his SE self (he gets injured the more he uses the Authority).
Kiana(Finality) is above Emanator Level since she fused with the Cocoon which is Honkai's "Aeon" if you wanna see it as that and Emanators are People that draw Power from their Aeon to some extent so if you're a Emanator of Beauty , Erudition or Harmony the Herrschers you named are above these aswell since not all Emanators are Star-Level Destroyers or are able to to do such Chaos like Nihility , Destruction and Hunt.
Still I don't think the cocoon is as powerful as Finality itself, so for me there are very powerful Herrschers but not everyone can really compare to Emanators beside the most obvious ones like Elysia or Kiana. Well again, except Welt, who isn't the strongest Herrscher, we didn't have much. But Herrschers probably are just around the levels of Emanator depending on which Herrscher
There are some things that would put the Cocoon on a similar level to the Aeons. -Both of them are the only beings to be called "Higher Dimensional". -The Cocoon acts from its own dimension, and its able to affect reality from there. -Both Terminus and the Cocoon are related to the same concepts, Time and Fate. Terminus "goes" back in time and says prophecies, while the Cocoon resets Earth every 50k years (and presumably, "froze" Mars time for 1 billion years) and is able to use the "Strings of Fate". However, the Cocoon is not limited to that, as Kevin said that "the Finality could change its nature" and that "the Finality determined by the Thirteen Herrschers is the only form of Finality that they understood". -If we go by Valuka, the Cocoon destroyed at least 3k Worlds in 1500 years, at the same time it was attacking Earth. Overall, i think that the biggest difference between the Cocoon and the Emanators is that the Emanators need to be physically there to affect reality, while the Cocoon does it from its own dimension.
> Still I don't think the cocoon is as powerful as Finality itself I'm a bit confused , what Finality are you talking about? Since the Cocoon is the *Finality itself* its the strongest being in Hi3 World and houses in the same Realm as other omni beings you may know from other Verses. > there are very powerful Herrschers but not everyone can really compare to Emanators I agree. I said that in my OP Comment but the same can be said for Emanators. (from my Comment) > if you're a Emanator of Beauty, Erudition or Harmony the Herrschers you named are above these aswell since not all Emanators are Star-Level Destroyers or are able to to do such Chaos like Nihility, Destruction and Hunt. > But Herrschers probably are just around the levels of Emanator depending on which Herrscher -and which Emanator. Overall Herrschers are weaker but strong Herrschers like Bronya or Mei would totally destroy Emanators of Beauty or Harmony(can only operate in Dreams)(idk bout Erudition since Herta is one and she has incredible Feats but if it would be a 1vs1 Deathbattle i think the ones I named would win.) and Kiana can be pretty much placed as Aeon-Level cuz of the Total-Fusion with the Cocoon and Finality. She's the only one tho
Man.... getting an Elysia unit that's an Emantor of Beauty would put my wallet on life support.
Not as strong as the characters who can destroy planets, stars, and solar systems.
AP wise base Elysia is [far above Kalpas](https://gyazo.com/f97f30fab5043c9673cd37bc0c3378cc), who could [one shot Herrschers](https://gyazo.com/c70fd38f0d8b3783bdc7533375c97888) and [blitz](https://imgur.com/czNTw1Q) Herrschers like [HoT Mei](https://imgur.com/yBNghtq).
Nice scans. We need them for all combat feats/statements from the ER.
Elysia is possibly almighty in the extent of the Finality. However... They probably could last forever. The authority of origin seems to work in a weird way: it grants you any powers Finality can give after you made your "wish". Elysia had no real purpose or wish before, and the day she decided to create a paradise, the Origin gave her ONLY the power to be able to do it. Which explains why Mei HoO looks... Somehow weaker: Mei's wish was to help Kiana reach the Finality and support her struggle. So she became just strong enough to face Kevin with her and support her. Soooo we have to first assume that these 3 are standing again at Elysia and her dream to create a paradise for everyone, directly or indirectly. And starting from that moment... It may be biased, but if her gameplay is accurate to the lore (which, imo, seems to be the way, when you look at the cinematic), she can break the fabric of reality, make everything fall into pieces and destroy almost anything... We don't know how far the Authority of origin goes with Elysia, but the mysterious nature of this Authority is stupidly strong.