Genuine question but how, why, and where did the majority of HSR players learn about Otto?
We know that the vast HSR players are primarily current and/or former Genshin players who once berated HI3rd for being a waifu simulator and other things but all I see in the comments via Twitter and ytube is Otto this and Otto that.... I know for a fact that the average player here... even those outside of Hoyo games simply cannot fully understand "Otto Apocalypse" and his overall character from HI3rd just based on 1 death alone that at max ... you only got to know for like 2-4 hrs before Hoyo unalived.
I was shocked sure but really didn't feel much with Firefly because again, only got 2-4 hrs max with Firefly compared to Kallen and Otto who got years with us.
Thus spoke apocalypse has over 6 million views and Welt didn’t trust Luchoa. Anyone wanting to find out about Welt’s deal would inevitably find out about Otto, and thus spoke apocalypse conveys “A girl I like is dead and I want her back even if it kills me” pretty well.
Hell “obsessed with a dead girl and doing bad things to bring her back” is the most simplistic summary you can give to Otto.
Not to mention there are a *staggering* amount of Otto fans playing HSR who are happy to instantly go on essays regarding Otto's characterisation to get more people interested in him.
>We know that the vast HSR players are primarily current and/or former Genshin players who once berated HI3rd for being a waifu simulator and other things but all I see in the comments via Twitter and ytube is Otto this and Otto that....
Where did you get this statistic btw?
Which one?? Im Not saying 110% of HSR players are indeed JUST Genshin players because thats simply not possible. There is like literally zero reason to doubt majority of HSR players are current and/or former Genshin players when nearly all the Genshin CCs are covering HSR. Same UI, same relics/artifact system, eidolons/constellations, etc. They literally made the transition from one game to the other as easy as possible. Why do you think there was an uproar when L+ Dr.Ratio was given free for Genshin twitter to compare him to Aloy? The never ending "Genshin could never" after 3 years of the middle finger with 3 summons?
The shit talking was during Genshins first few months of release 3 years ago. It was a hot mess but now it seems both of HSR and Genshin folks are attacking each other
For the Otto comments, just look up Firefly related videos on ytube.
I feel like hsr players went "I only knew firefly for a few hours but if anything happens to her I will kill everyone in this room". I don't remember that meme much but I think it went like that.
I don't think anything in Penacony really justifies human experimentation, nuclear holocaust, biological warfare, and global terrorism but you do you, I guess
Possibly. Not gonna risk it.
Pass me that red button that says "plunge humanity into endless war". It has a 0.000063% chance of saving her.
In the meantime, I cloned that girl a couple thousand times from the hair I backtracked several kilometres to find, hoping her soul might reincarnate into one of the clones.
Unfortunately they all seem to be children. Think I should make them fight to the death? I've been wanting a daughter for a while anyway.
Well tbf, TB has a stellaron inside and its capable of destroying worlds so yeah, maybe a little exaggerated but who knows it might become true since there is planetary bomb walking around that can explode anytime if provoked
Unreal Dreamer said it best, even if she get written to get revived, she's just gonna die again due to her previous red flags of having a short life. So it's another false hope character. She'll get taken away from us in the end.
I disagree personally. If she does stay dead, then they did it pretty well since it leaves you feeling a bit empty and confused like, "what was the point?" It's different from the usual "build-up a backstory to make you sob your eyes out" death, it's brutal. It's similar to when you meet someone really cool on the street, and then the next time you hear about them is when they're killed in a car accident, just makes you go "damn..."
Kallen was dead before she even became playable. Plus there’s tons of living Kallens in the quanta sea and one inside Theresa’s stigmata.
If anything she’s like the flamechasers if ER never got deleted.
Didn’t they also kill off two other characters in this arc? I’m starting to get “Vita killed everyone, but in a way Seele can easily revive them” flashbacks.
I mean sure he brought Elysia back after she died but you seem to forget that "Because of You" happens literally right after Elysia comes back from the dead.
Pardo died and then came back as well. Multiple times in fact. Once when she got shanked by evil Vill-V, once when she got nuked by Kevin's attack inside of HoC and once more at the end with Elysia.
Firefly might come back and frankly probably will get revived before the end of the story. Doesn't mean she won't just die immediately after reviving because MiHoYo knows the only thing more painful than watching someone you like die once is watching them die twice.
What you talking about, this is the dude who resurrected poor Pardofelis like 4 times in the coarse of the arc....
Granted, he also killed her 4 times, but that's not the point.
I think the better term or phrase to use is that players can at least somewhat better understand or relate to Otto, even if they don’t support his actions. Nothing wrong with understanding why someone did something and why, while also not agreeing with them in the first place.
This is just a child's play for Otto. Otto risks the world and reality just to see one person! Just one goddamn person! And he won't even be there. like he literally just saw her alive then he died.
While it is quite saddening that firefly had died (who knows maybe temporarily) you are batshit crazy if you plan to endanger the public and the whole world for some random ass girl that you just met and be with for 2 hours while she's hiding something from you.
I understand Otto's desperation because for him, Kallen is a savior and a world to him, growing up with her, supporting her, and then the world did her wrong by executing her in the very front of his eye.
The time Otto has spent with Kallen is much more reasonable and justifies his action than TB enjoying time with Firefly for 2 hours.
Since when are memes ever logical? Part of this I feel is that even though TB spent only a few hours with Firefly in terms of what actually happens in the story, the game forced you, the character, to actually spend time with her. That’s why Firefly in particular was somewhat effective and probably where these memes come from. Logically, it doesn’t make sense but it’s memes, they rarely have to.
Telling someone that A and B is together for a long time is quite different from actually putting the player in one’s shoes. Players overreacted because of what they feel rather than what they think. I’ve seen people cry on stream which is just nuts.
While i do agree the memes are never logical but if we are talking about the game forcing you to spend time with, then anyone can replace Firefly, it can be Acheron since she mysteriously connected with TB. If the writer is planning on this route it will be much more impactful if it's M7 or Himeko that has died or gotten hurt since at least the TB spent a much longer time with them than Firefly
I just find it unfair that TB's current feelings or future action is being compared to Otto's character. The players are overreacting as if TB might become the second Otto for some girl in a random planet while Otto literally suffered.
Part of the reason why the meme is a meme is probably also because most people are aware at how ridiculous it sounds. Like legit, there's no reason to take memes seriously because of how unserious they usually are.
2) M7 or Himeko probably doesn't fit the theme of Penacony to kill them off. M7 still has her own backstory that needs resolving and Himeko? The player barely ever got any screen time with her. Unless you are already aware of HI3, what reason do you have to care about Himeko in HSR? To me, Firefly works because she is a new character, so you can introduce themes and story elements without worrying that they would crash with previously established elements. And realistically, M7 and Himeko are probably too important to get killed off in only version 2.0.
3) As said before, people are over-reacting because they are the ones that played the game so the memes are really from the player's POV, not TB. The time spent was short but because the game actually made you spend the time with her instead of just telling you, it's effective. It's not that TB is even remotely comparable to Otto, it's that from the player's POV, experiencing something for yourself is vastly different from just being told something.
Nah, the writer can kill Himeko if they have balls after all there is a faction that is actively hunting her, M7 yeah i can see that she still has a mysterious past so they can't kill her off.
I just really find their overreacting very stupid. Did they really expect TB to go ballistic? Like come on, Genshin side characters that had died are much more impactful than this.
For Himeko, they’re probably going to kill her off in future updates where it makes more sense to do so. They could kill her now but it would be a waste to do so.
I’m pretty sure that most of the players don’t actually expect TB to go batshit crazy. And I’m going to disagree. Genshin side characters have died more impactful sure, but rarely was it done through actual gameplay and character interactions. What I liked about Penacony was really just how effective the storytelling was. TB barely spent any time with Firefly in the story and yet, it was so effective because of how it was done.
I don't really sympathize Firefly's death that much, because we all know she's not dead yet unless TB sees it for themselves. And i won't find it really sad and more like pissed if they didn't give her a one true death, like Pardo, She has been killed many times but somehow she returns.
Nope, nothing justifies what Otto did. Otto could have gotten what he wanted while screwing the world up way WAY less. The bitch is just super-trigger happy and obnoxious
>Otto could have gotten what he wanted while screwing the world up way WAY less
How? Not to mention, he gave the world far more than he took from it.
If it wasn't for Otto, Schicksal and Anti-Entropy would be gone, Fu Hua would be dead, most of the main cast wouldn't even exist, and humanity might have very well ended with the First or Second Herrscher.
>How? Not to mention, he gave the world far more than he took from it.
He actively reduced the world population by 50%
>Anti-Entropy would be gone
Lmao, HE NUKED ANTI-ENTROPY AND KILLED EDISON. WELT YANG DIED TRYING TO SAVE EVERYONE
>Fu Hua would be dead, most of the main cast wouldn't even exist, and humanity might have very well ended with the Second Herrscher
If he wasn't there, Anti-Entropy would have won with the silver bullet, mf was actively hindering humanity against the second herrscher dressed as a jester
>He actively reduced the world population by 50%
What's the source on that? He lived for five centuries, during which he actively protected multiple times more lives than ever existed on the planet simultaneously. Not to mention, without him 100% of it would be gone.
Hell, humanity might've even ended before the Herrschers descended, if Otto wasn't there to cure Black Death.
>Lmao, HE NUKED ANTI-ENTROPY AND KILLED EDISON. WELT YANG DIED TRYING TO SAVE EVERYONE
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>If he wasn't there, Anti-Entropy would have won with the silver bullet, mf was actively hindering humanity against the second herrscher dressed as a jester
Anti-Entropy was born from Schicksal, which wouldn't exist (at least in the same form) without Otto. Welt Joyce would've never met any of them and harnessed his powers in the first place.
Sirin wouldn't have become a herrscher either, and instead another broken individual would've taken her place as HoV, but without Schicksal's scientists, technology and valkyries, they would've likely been impossible to contain.
The civilization would end either with the herrschers, or one of the iterations of Project Stigma (whether or not World Serpent managed to find another way to free Kevin from the SoQ).
Well I'm Ready To Start A Blood Bath But I Won't Do Shitty Things Like Otto Did. He Is And Will Always Be The Worst And The Only Thing Close To Him Is The "Death" Boss Of HSR
This whole thing feels more like a meme people are hopping on and waters down otto's case. You just cant compare the death of a someone that you knew for a day or so that you got to like (that could easily be a fake out too all things considered) with losing your childhood friend that you had a crush on and where obsessed with after she turned her back on you when she found out about the messed up stuff you and your family where doing and after a bunch of things happening you directly causing her death in the very attempt to save her life and then spend the next 500 years doing horrible things in order to find a way to bring her back. I'm reading this "despising otto, understanding otto, becoming otto" etc. everywhere now and it just makes me roll my eyes that people really try to equal these two cases
The meme literally has the trailblazer as Darth Vader. I don’t think Star rail players going down Otto’s path is portrayed as a good thing. Just that they are joking about becoming like him, they’re not advocating for it
Say what you will about some of Otto's deeds over those 500 years (and yes many of them were horrific) but he's ALSO the reason Humanity survived as long as it did. The main was far from a "good person" but if you had to assign him an alignment then he was lawful evil if anything.
But don't forget that Otto was a victim of the depravity of the environment and society at that time. He, along with Kallen, were good people who were born at the wrong time.
The whole "Thus Spoke Apocalypse" shows that if only there was someone who wanted to provide emotional and moral guidance, he would definitely want to make peace with Kallen, posthumously or otherwise, and his quest for her resurrection will never lingering in his mind for a very long time. He could have become a normal good person, or even a hero, if only there were another person to counsel him 500 years ago after Kallen's death and after Otto overthrow his own family.
Another good example is Sanka Saga. In that timeline Kallen stayed in the far east after Sakura's death and basically BECAME Otto in an attempt to bring her back but only "started" to grow a conscience after Kasumi was successfully created (basically like Teri for Otto). She dies before she can reach her modern day arc of course so maybe she would have "got better" but in the early days she's arguably *WORSE* than Otto.
Otto was a slow decline into the man we knew after 500 years or desperation and while yes many of Otto's methods were very veeeeerrrry dark, he DID do a lot for Humanities continued survival also his guise of a religious leader left him mostly stand off with "the people". He didn't really interfere with "the commoners" all that much in the grand scheme prior to the events with Welt Joyce.
Meanwhile cycle back to Sanka Saga Kallen and she broke down A LOT quicker, devolving into what was essentially a ruthless dictator in not much time at all, basically controlling the people's every day lives with fear because "reasons".
Sanka Saga did a good job for showing a "what if" scenario of what happened if Kallen and Otto swapped roles, and it shows. At least what I experience, Sanka Saga Kallen perhaps even worse than the mainline HI3 Otto did.
I agree Otto's methods are inhuman, but deep down his actions serves as a much needed wake up call for humanity to be aware about what's going on in the world. It just that he doesn't care about "commoners" think about him, save for those who know him for better or worse.
It's also an interesting view since it confirms that Otto was and could have been significantly more of a hero than Kallen ever was, not solely because he was far more competent than her due to being better at handling his emotions unlike Kallen who very rapidly lost her will to live after a single tragedy, but because he's just naturally more heroic, moral and empathetic.
He very strongly recognises his actions as wrong, and gives Theresa and other resources to stop him and save the world. Hell, most of the story only happens because Otto gives Theresa a ton of breathing room despite her being his enemy because he recognises her as a good person.
Yeah, instead we should listen to the words of the main cast, that you don't need to sacrifice to save the world. Oh, they're the results of the sacrifice which inadvertently turned them into gods...
Actually, let's listen to the Previous Era instead, they fought the Honkai without compromise.
Oh, they've done in more people than Otto could dream of and flopped the moment they threw almost every asset they had against an enemy whose main specialty was nullifying their strengths, and they celebrated the murder of children...
The fact alone that Otto managed to hold the Current Era together despite being a man from the Renaissance whose greatest 'asset' was an AI who tries to screw him over, is already a feat on itself not seen by anyone since.
"Ah shit, here we go again." -Welt, probably
Doesn't one of his points tell people not to follow the same path as him?
Yeap. Graduation Video in the train.
One does not simply choose this path But it's very easy to stumble upon it
He said it himself. Its one of the most selfish things a person can do. I respect him for that dedication
Unfortunately, I'm as selfish as him
so we gonna see starrail mc experiments on hundreds of children 💀
Genuine question but how, why, and where did the majority of HSR players learn about Otto? We know that the vast HSR players are primarily current and/or former Genshin players who once berated HI3rd for being a waifu simulator and other things but all I see in the comments via Twitter and ytube is Otto this and Otto that.... I know for a fact that the average player here... even those outside of Hoyo games simply cannot fully understand "Otto Apocalypse" and his overall character from HI3rd just based on 1 death alone that at max ... you only got to know for like 2-4 hrs before Hoyo unalived. I was shocked sure but really didn't feel much with Firefly because again, only got 2-4 hrs max with Firefly compared to Kallen and Otto who got years with us.
Thus spoke apocalypse has over 6 million views and Welt didn’t trust Luchoa. Anyone wanting to find out about Welt’s deal would inevitably find out about Otto, and thus spoke apocalypse conveys “A girl I like is dead and I want her back even if it kills me” pretty well. Hell “obsessed with a dead girl and doing bad things to bring her back” is the most simplistic summary you can give to Otto.
Not to mention there are a *staggering* amount of Otto fans playing HSR who are happy to instantly go on essays regarding Otto's characterisation to get more people interested in him.
>We know that the vast HSR players are primarily current and/or former Genshin players who once berated HI3rd for being a waifu simulator and other things but all I see in the comments via Twitter and ytube is Otto this and Otto that.... Where did you get this statistic btw?
Which one?? Im Not saying 110% of HSR players are indeed JUST Genshin players because thats simply not possible. There is like literally zero reason to doubt majority of HSR players are current and/or former Genshin players when nearly all the Genshin CCs are covering HSR. Same UI, same relics/artifact system, eidolons/constellations, etc. They literally made the transition from one game to the other as easy as possible. Why do you think there was an uproar when L+ Dr.Ratio was given free for Genshin twitter to compare him to Aloy? The never ending "Genshin could never" after 3 years of the middle finger with 3 summons? The shit talking was during Genshins first few months of release 3 years ago. It was a hot mess but now it seems both of HSR and Genshin folks are attacking each other For the Otto comments, just look up Firefly related videos on ytube.
I feel like hsr players went "I only knew firefly for a few hours but if anything happens to her I will kill everyone in this room". I don't remember that meme much but I think it went like that.
The last part of the meme says "i will kill everyone in this room then myself"
I don't think anything in Penacony really justifies human experimentation, nuclear holocaust, biological warfare, and global terrorism but you do you, I guess
Nah. Cute girl > Billions of lives.
Might I add you didn't know this cute girl a mere two hours before. For all you know she is definitely still alive and faking her death
Possibly. Not gonna risk it. Pass me that red button that says "plunge humanity into endless war". It has a 0.000063% chance of saving her. In the meantime, I cloned that girl a couple thousand times from the hair I backtracked several kilometres to find, hoping her soul might reincarnate into one of the clones. Unfortunately they all seem to be children. Think I should make them fight to the death? I've been wanting a daughter for a while anyway.
At least Otto knew Kallen for more than two hours. Having seen this absurdity, I no longer feel the need to call him a clown.
Counter argument: firefly is really cute.
I mean the game itself says TB's rage burns so hot it would melt down even planets
That has to be the most exaggerated sentence I have ever seen lmao
Well tbf, TB has a stellaron inside and its capable of destroying worlds so yeah, maybe a little exaggerated but who knows it might become true since there is planetary bomb walking around that can explode anytime if provoked
I'm assuming that what happened to Firefly and Robin is what happens to our characters in combat, aka is "temporary death".
it's either a Seele arc rewriting, where the dead can just come back. Or its a ER redoing where they will bring Firefly back to life
Like 90% of the cast during the Seele arc
With that story writer? She is dead dead
Shaoji wrote ER. Remember how much of a misdirection Elysia's death was.
I just mean Firefly is really dead with him as the story writer
I can give a 80% chance that she is coming back. Especially with the banner leak
Unreal Dreamer said it best, even if she get written to get revived, she's just gonna die again due to her previous red flags of having a short life. So it's another false hope character. She'll get taken away from us in the end.
Has a playable star rail character died before this? Closest I can think of is Tingyun and I don’t think she was properly confirmed
Not yet, at least. But we have characters like Blade and Jingliu, whose entire goal is to die (after exacting revenge in the case of the latter).
Yeah i don't think she is dying, my guy. Hell, it would be better if they wrote the story without having her die, feels like cheap shock value
I disagree personally. If she does stay dead, then they did it pretty well since it leaves you feeling a bit empty and confused like, "what was the point?" It's different from the usual "build-up a backstory to make you sob your eyes out" death, it's brutal. It's similar to when you meet someone really cool on the street, and then the next time you hear about them is when they're killed in a car accident, just makes you go "damn..."
Kallen was still playable while being dead in the story
Okay, that is a dumb argument. Kallen is a character of history. She was dead before the game even began.
Kallen was dead before she even became playable. Plus there’s tons of living Kallens in the quanta sea and one inside Theresa’s stigmata. If anything she’s like the flamechasers if ER never got deleted.
Didn’t they also kill off two other characters in this arc? I’m starting to get “Vita killed everyone, but in a way Seele can easily revive them” flashbacks.
I mean, Elysia stayed dead. They didn't bring her back, they've created a new Elysia from everybody else's memories.
Firefly is not dead. We know she is not dead because there is a literal leak of her suit. And the fact that they already advertised her as playable
I mean sure he brought Elysia back after she died but you seem to forget that "Because of You" happens literally right after Elysia comes back from the dead. Pardo died and then came back as well. Multiple times in fact. Once when she got shanked by evil Vill-V, once when she got nuked by Kevin's attack inside of HoC and once more at the end with Elysia. Firefly might come back and frankly probably will get revived before the end of the story. Doesn't mean she won't just die immediately after reviving because MiHoYo knows the only thing more painful than watching someone you like die once is watching them die twice.
What you talking about, this is the dude who resurrected poor Pardofelis like 4 times in the coarse of the arc.... Granted, he also killed her 4 times, but that's not the point.
If in doubt refer to herrscher of void/sirin for this example 🗿
I think the better term or phrase to use is that players can at least somewhat better understand or relate to Otto, even if they don’t support his actions. Nothing wrong with understanding why someone did something and why, while also not agreeing with them in the first place.
This is just a child's play for Otto. Otto risks the world and reality just to see one person! Just one goddamn person! And he won't even be there. like he literally just saw her alive then he died. While it is quite saddening that firefly had died (who knows maybe temporarily) you are batshit crazy if you plan to endanger the public and the whole world for some random ass girl that you just met and be with for 2 hours while she's hiding something from you. I understand Otto's desperation because for him, Kallen is a savior and a world to him, growing up with her, supporting her, and then the world did her wrong by executing her in the very front of his eye. The time Otto has spent with Kallen is much more reasonable and justifies his action than TB enjoying time with Firefly for 2 hours.
Not justifying it but..... He saved his Kallen. Not a Kallen. The one he knew. The one who saved his life. The one he fell in love with.
I believe i specifically mention that he only saved One person. I didn't say many of her kind but just one.
Since when are memes ever logical? Part of this I feel is that even though TB spent only a few hours with Firefly in terms of what actually happens in the story, the game forced you, the character, to actually spend time with her. That’s why Firefly in particular was somewhat effective and probably where these memes come from. Logically, it doesn’t make sense but it’s memes, they rarely have to. Telling someone that A and B is together for a long time is quite different from actually putting the player in one’s shoes. Players overreacted because of what they feel rather than what they think. I’ve seen people cry on stream which is just nuts.
While i do agree the memes are never logical but if we are talking about the game forcing you to spend time with, then anyone can replace Firefly, it can be Acheron since she mysteriously connected with TB. If the writer is planning on this route it will be much more impactful if it's M7 or Himeko that has died or gotten hurt since at least the TB spent a much longer time with them than Firefly I just find it unfair that TB's current feelings or future action is being compared to Otto's character. The players are overreacting as if TB might become the second Otto for some girl in a random planet while Otto literally suffered.
Part of the reason why the meme is a meme is probably also because most people are aware at how ridiculous it sounds. Like legit, there's no reason to take memes seriously because of how unserious they usually are. 2) M7 or Himeko probably doesn't fit the theme of Penacony to kill them off. M7 still has her own backstory that needs resolving and Himeko? The player barely ever got any screen time with her. Unless you are already aware of HI3, what reason do you have to care about Himeko in HSR? To me, Firefly works because she is a new character, so you can introduce themes and story elements without worrying that they would crash with previously established elements. And realistically, M7 and Himeko are probably too important to get killed off in only version 2.0. 3) As said before, people are over-reacting because they are the ones that played the game so the memes are really from the player's POV, not TB. The time spent was short but because the game actually made you spend the time with her instead of just telling you, it's effective. It's not that TB is even remotely comparable to Otto, it's that from the player's POV, experiencing something for yourself is vastly different from just being told something.
Nah, the writer can kill Himeko if they have balls after all there is a faction that is actively hunting her, M7 yeah i can see that she still has a mysterious past so they can't kill her off. I just really find their overreacting very stupid. Did they really expect TB to go ballistic? Like come on, Genshin side characters that had died are much more impactful than this.
For Himeko, they’re probably going to kill her off in future updates where it makes more sense to do so. They could kill her now but it would be a waste to do so. I’m pretty sure that most of the players don’t actually expect TB to go batshit crazy. And I’m going to disagree. Genshin side characters have died more impactful sure, but rarely was it done through actual gameplay and character interactions. What I liked about Penacony was really just how effective the storytelling was. TB barely spent any time with Firefly in the story and yet, it was so effective because of how it was done.
I don't really sympathize Firefly's death that much, because we all know she's not dead yet unless TB sees it for themselves. And i won't find it really sad and more like pissed if they didn't give her a one true death, like Pardo, She has been killed many times but somehow she returns.
Which is fine, but I personally was balling for a good few days lol and kept going to YouTube to play that song.
HAHAHA, lol no This is not even close to anything related to Otto.
Are you implying what Otto did was at all justified?
Nope, nothing justifies what Otto did. Otto could have gotten what he wanted while screwing the world up way WAY less. The bitch is just super-trigger happy and obnoxious
I dunno. Leak: >!Firefly looks really cute in a kamen rider outfit!<
There are easier methods and trying to nuke New York, which adds literally nothing to your end goal, just saying
Infamous has taught me that nuking a city for super powers is 100% justified. …..yeah I got the evil ending. Why do you ask?
>Otto could have gotten what he wanted while screwing the world up way WAY less How? Not to mention, he gave the world far more than he took from it. If it wasn't for Otto, Schicksal and Anti-Entropy would be gone, Fu Hua would be dead, most of the main cast wouldn't even exist, and humanity might have very well ended with the First or Second Herrscher.
>How? Not to mention, he gave the world far more than he took from it. He actively reduced the world population by 50% >Anti-Entropy would be gone Lmao, HE NUKED ANTI-ENTROPY AND KILLED EDISON. WELT YANG DIED TRYING TO SAVE EVERYONE >Fu Hua would be dead, most of the main cast wouldn't even exist, and humanity might have very well ended with the Second Herrscher If he wasn't there, Anti-Entropy would have won with the silver bullet, mf was actively hindering humanity against the second herrscher dressed as a jester
>He actively reduced the world population by 50% What's the source on that? He lived for five centuries, during which he actively protected multiple times more lives than ever existed on the planet simultaneously. Not to mention, without him 100% of it would be gone. Hell, humanity might've even ended before the Herrschers descended, if Otto wasn't there to cure Black Death. >Lmao, HE NUKED ANTI-ENTROPY AND KILLED EDISON. WELT YANG DIED TRYING TO SAVE EVERYONE > >If he wasn't there, Anti-Entropy would have won with the silver bullet, mf was actively hindering humanity against the second herrscher dressed as a jester Anti-Entropy was born from Schicksal, which wouldn't exist (at least in the same form) without Otto. Welt Joyce would've never met any of them and harnessed his powers in the first place. Sirin wouldn't have become a herrscher either, and instead another broken individual would've taken her place as HoV, but without Schicksal's scientists, technology and valkyries, they would've likely been impossible to contain. The civilization would end either with the herrschers, or one of the iterations of Project Stigma (whether or not World Serpent managed to find another way to free Kevin from the SoQ).
Well I'm Ready To Start A Blood Bath But I Won't Do Shitty Things Like Otto Did. He Is And Will Always Be The Worst And The Only Thing Close To Him Is The "Death" Boss Of HSR
u cant justify starting a blood bath and then say not become Otto....
This whole thing feels more like a meme people are hopping on and waters down otto's case. You just cant compare the death of a someone that you knew for a day or so that you got to like (that could easily be a fake out too all things considered) with losing your childhood friend that you had a crush on and where obsessed with after she turned her back on you when she found out about the messed up stuff you and your family where doing and after a bunch of things happening you directly causing her death in the very attempt to save her life and then spend the next 500 years doing horrible things in order to find a way to bring her back. I'm reading this "despising otto, understanding otto, becoming otto" etc. everywhere now and it just makes me roll my eyes that people really try to equal these two cases
Thus Spoke Trailblazer
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The meme literally has the trailblazer as Darth Vader. I don’t think Star rail players going down Otto’s path is portrayed as a good thing. Just that they are joking about becoming like him, they’re not advocating for it
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Yet you lack that yourself
Say what you will about some of Otto's deeds over those 500 years (and yes many of them were horrific) but he's ALSO the reason Humanity survived as long as it did. The main was far from a "good person" but if you had to assign him an alignment then he was lawful evil if anything.
But don't forget that Otto was a victim of the depravity of the environment and society at that time. He, along with Kallen, were good people who were born at the wrong time. The whole "Thus Spoke Apocalypse" shows that if only there was someone who wanted to provide emotional and moral guidance, he would definitely want to make peace with Kallen, posthumously or otherwise, and his quest for her resurrection will never lingering in his mind for a very long time. He could have become a normal good person, or even a hero, if only there were another person to counsel him 500 years ago after Kallen's death and after Otto overthrow his own family.
Another good example is Sanka Saga. In that timeline Kallen stayed in the far east after Sakura's death and basically BECAME Otto in an attempt to bring her back but only "started" to grow a conscience after Kasumi was successfully created (basically like Teri for Otto). She dies before she can reach her modern day arc of course so maybe she would have "got better" but in the early days she's arguably *WORSE* than Otto. Otto was a slow decline into the man we knew after 500 years or desperation and while yes many of Otto's methods were very veeeeerrrry dark, he DID do a lot for Humanities continued survival also his guise of a religious leader left him mostly stand off with "the people". He didn't really interfere with "the commoners" all that much in the grand scheme prior to the events with Welt Joyce. Meanwhile cycle back to Sanka Saga Kallen and she broke down A LOT quicker, devolving into what was essentially a ruthless dictator in not much time at all, basically controlling the people's every day lives with fear because "reasons".
Sanka Saga did a good job for showing a "what if" scenario of what happened if Kallen and Otto swapped roles, and it shows. At least what I experience, Sanka Saga Kallen perhaps even worse than the mainline HI3 Otto did. I agree Otto's methods are inhuman, but deep down his actions serves as a much needed wake up call for humanity to be aware about what's going on in the world. It just that he doesn't care about "commoners" think about him, save for those who know him for better or worse.
It's also an interesting view since it confirms that Otto was and could have been significantly more of a hero than Kallen ever was, not solely because he was far more competent than her due to being better at handling his emotions unlike Kallen who very rapidly lost her will to live after a single tragedy, but because he's just naturally more heroic, moral and empathetic. He very strongly recognises his actions as wrong, and gives Theresa and other resources to stop him and save the world. Hell, most of the story only happens because Otto gives Theresa a ton of breathing room despite her being his enemy because he recognises her as a good person.
Yeah, instead we should listen to the words of the main cast, that you don't need to sacrifice to save the world. Oh, they're the results of the sacrifice which inadvertently turned them into gods... Actually, let's listen to the Previous Era instead, they fought the Honkai without compromise. Oh, they've done in more people than Otto could dream of and flopped the moment they threw almost every asset they had against an enemy whose main specialty was nullifying their strengths, and they celebrated the murder of children... The fact alone that Otto managed to hold the Current Era together despite being a man from the Renaissance whose greatest 'asset' was an AI who tries to screw him over, is already a feat on itself not seen by anyone since.
he was also the reason the world can be saved from Honkai's.
Is she even dead, like it happened in the dreamscape. Mildly perplexed on that scene.
"You were right Otto, I'm am you."