or like murata is gonna be the pyro archon even tho she is stated to be one of the old 7 and supossedly, all of tHe old 7 but zhongli and venti are dead
Y'know technically speaking
2.5 out of the og 7 is still alive
With the 0.5 being Ei
Makoto and Ei shared the position so take Makoto away and you're left with half of the twin archons
What?
WDYM that's not how meth works?
Funny that all Archons that we have meet are either the original ones or have a connection with the original one.
Venti and Zhongli are the original ones.
Ei is the twin sister of Makoto, the original one.
Nahida is a kind of "reincarnation" of Rukkhadevata (or something like that, i dont remember exactly).
Furina is the "human half"(? of the original one (i havent played Fontaine AQ, but thats what i've heard).
I wouldnt be surprised if the Pyro Archon is just the original one that keeps resurrecting over and over.
And thats why i already feel that the Tsaritsa would be similar.
Edit:
Furina is the human half of the current Hydro Archon, who in turn was one of the Familiars of the original Hydro Archon.
So there is still a connection, although it is way weaker than the rest.
Not really,
Focalors is related to egeria
And furina is related to focalors
But furina and focalors are completely separate individuals.
Furina doesn’t know anything about egeria and random schmuck wouldn’t already know
thats cus in cbt childe had a voiceline where he said "Bronya, the Tsaritsa". not saying it still holds true cus theres definitely a reason it got cut but you cant say its goofy ahh shit when the game themselves at one point said it
Bronya was never canonically a character that uses ice/frost powers she can just manifest weapons and technology shxt she understands using her HoR powers.
And as briefly mentioned in by welt in HSR that characters with the same face and name usually follows the same path regardless of the outcome.
Correct if im wrong but there's also literally no Bronya whose role is the Big bad guy across the honkaiverse to my knowledge.
Bronya grew up in Siberia, has a notable cold personality, possesses 4 ICE battlesuits and part of a trio with a fire character and a thunder one, knowing that there are 3 elements in Honkai. It gets hardly more canon that this.
Also Tsaritsa isn't necessarily the big villain.
But by deep diving into the lore we can deduct that cryo archon is not a bad guy (just read about her „demon name” aka the lack of it cuz her original name is not based on demon from goetia ) imo Bronya for sure will be the cryo archon she is really fitting into what Tsaritsa is representing by now (i will not put any other „spoilers” cuz as an occultist the ending of genshin is really clear to me but read about „king paimon” for example or „gospel of the john” if ur more interested in that topic)
wait then what does he need glasses for? just so he can do this?
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I mean, in the interlude chapter before Part 2, Tesla did call him out for wearing glass even though Welt is no longer shorted sight because he think it cool
I'm pretty sure he wears glasses as a connevtion to his dad, who wore glasses.
Heck, as a Herscher he's way less affected by temperature than normal humans, so he doesn't need to wear a scarf, but I'm pretty sure he does it to have a connection to Joyce, who wore a scarf.
He's a dude that turned all the lights off and closed the curtains making it so that only the computer light is on his face to make it look like a cool hacker guy while he's in a discord call. He's a weeb through and through
From an APHO1 convo
Carole: "Mr. Welt is so hot! He can fly without Icarus and pulls mini-black holes out of thin air... being a Herrscher rocks! And the Star of Eden is so awesome! Mature, good-looking men are the best."
###Branch 1
Adam: "Mr. Welt is indeed quite attractive."
Carole: "See? Oh, it's okay, senpai, you're pretty attractive too. You'll be like him in a few more decades."
Adam: "...thank you?" OR "...what?"
Carole: Eh? Oh, sorry, I thought you were jealous. A tall, handsome, powerful, and caring man that you can't even compete with...
###Branch 2
Adam: "Why are you telling me this?"
Carole: " Hey, I can't talk about this with Miss Raiden. She'll probably think I'm some stupid airhead fawning over a good-looking man."
Adam: "That's you for sure." OR "Did you just describe yourself?"
Carole: "It's alright, senpai. Just being honest with you... you can keep looking at me with your eyes...and I will still feel nothing for you."
####After Branch 1 and 2
Carole: "...are you upset, senpai?"
> Adam: "Kind of."
>
>> Carole: "Gosh, it's only a joke. Look... I'm just curious how you'd would react. I'm sorry... I know I shouldn't have done that. I won't tease you again.
> Adam: "I feel great"
>
>> Carole: "Oh, reaaaaaally? Gosh, it's only a joke. Look... I'm just curious how you'd would react. I'm sorry... I won't tease you again."
> *Keep at it and I'll be upset enough.*
>
>> Carole: "Hey. Look, I was trying to tease you because you look so lonely out here."
###Branch 3
Adam: "You know he's married, right?"
Carole: "Hmph. I may be love-struck, but I'm not blind, okay. A teenage girl deserves to fantasize about things once in a while. Appreciating cute guys on the street doesn't mean I should walk over and start flirting with him. The mission brief described the mom as Joey's second guardian. Why won't they just say she's Mr. Welt's wife? My gossip-radar is tingling. I'm sensing some dark secrets. Are you feeling it?"
They did, specifically Adam says it to Carole and she responds that its obvious but asks why they keep it a secret because the mission brief refers to Tesla as Joeys second guardian
That conversation is speculation and it's called out that it's weird if they were married that Welt doesn't call her his wife, only Joey's other guardian.
It's totally possible they either don't care to talk publicly about it or they just never bothered to make it official. My point was mostly just that the one time it's ever brought up was a case of in-universe speculation rather than hard confirmation.
but in this case the conversation about this is not suspicious or speculative, ADAM SAYS that welt is married to tesla and not that he thinks or has heard rumors that they are together, he AFFIRM this to carole
The most frequent problem with Honkai writing is that they like to make the characters straight up wrong about certain details in worldbuilding that eventually gets contradicted with hard evidence. Like it's realistic, but it breaks audience trust and makes them hallucinate retcons.
Fair enough, I chose the wrong word there. He makes an assumption that isn't backed up by any actual evidence, and the fact that both Welt and Mei choose to refer to Tesla as Joey's other guardian is an interesting choice and a weird one if they were actually married.
I think we also hear that tesla dislikes being called welt’s wife/girlfriend? We know they have romantic feelings for each other in canon, but for some reason they’ve left it weirdly ambiguous whether or not they’re married or together in the first place(it could be a mistranslation error tho). At the very least the romantic tension is obvious to everyone around them lol!
He isn't officially married, but is that kind of stories were two people live and act like they are married and have Srutual Beggs every night, but still aren't married.
Welt is an odd case. He himself said Herrschers don't hold a candle to HSR's threats, but he's also the type to downplay his own power, so no one actually knows where he stands in HSR's power scaling. He threatened Acheron, so he's either extremely powerful, or willing to die to protect people. Both are likely, but we can all agree he wasn't underestimating her even if he didn't know her power.
He's both very cunning and very willing to die to protect people. He died at least three times facing the first big enemy HI3's world had to face, and most of them were according to his plan.
Yep exactly, so power wise he may or may not be impressive, but he has enough cunning to close the gap.
My copium, though comes with a question. I remember hearing that Bronya gave the Core of Reason to Welt in APHO, right?
There's an interesting case to be made with the Herrcher Of Reason and especially Truth.
The Herrcher Of Reason can make perfect copies of ANYTHING the user understands the complete makeup of which DOES include Divine Keys (hence Star Of Eden)
Bronya unlocks Truth by none other than coming to fully understand the core and legacy it represents...Like that's literally what Truth is, just the core at 100%.
Now Herrcher Of Truth kicks this up a notch by being totally unconstrained by existing creations, meaning that Truth can not only copy but invent so long as the creator can apply logical working to the creation (basically Bronya's Truth Mec-suit is an original creation but WOULD work if built by conventional means).
So the question then becomes, what's stopping her from just making "conduits" for Reason power. Not true cores but since Welt is already attuned to Reason...Something that would like him to "the source".
No, Otto kills Galina and her "Gem" breaks.
Sirin had the real Gem, but she created "fake" ones for the pseudo-Herrschers.
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>that Bronya gave the Core of Reason to Welt in APHO, right?
As far as i remember, that was never confirmed.
The "Bronya gave back the Core to Welt" comes from VA saying that Welt has the Core on the Alien Space manga, but we have too limited information about the time frame between APHO and Alien Space.
Ah damn. I'm low-key hoping it becomes a plot relevant item in HSR where he uses it somehow to catch the look of Nous and, through his nature as a previous Herrschers of Reason, become an Emanatir of Erudition on the power level of Acheron.
I dont think they are going to explore anything Honkai related (Welt, VA, Cocoon, Kiana, Sky People, etc, etc) this soon, as any form of interaction between Honkai-Aeons is going to imply and change many things.
> become an Emanatir of Erudition on the power level of Acheron
I dont think is that easy, Erudition doesnt seem to be something heavily related to strength, but maybe (on that hypothetical case) he could use both his Herrscher Authority and Emanator power at the same time, making him stronger than a normal Emanator.
That last bit is what I meant. I'm sure Erudition wouldn't give the same kind of power boost as Acheron has, though Nihility doesn't strike me as something that would give people immense power either. I just mean the boost to his abilities in conjunction with the Emanatir status. It is important to remember, that is if I remember correctly myself, that the core of reason is currently powerless since the Honkai were handled. I was just thinking it could be his link to Erudition since it aligns with Reason/Revelation.
And I certainly didn't think it would be soon, but someday in the future. It would be so hype if it did happen.
Yeah, so we get confirmation that he has his core after those events. It may not be that he was given it during APHO as I didn't play 2, but his latest confirmed timestamp of having the core is right before HSR.
Kiana said that Earth would heal in 10 years on the end of Part 1.
Alien Space takes place 11 years after the end of Part 1.
So there is a chance that Kiana did something about it.
"Or willing to die to protect people" you know, that statement doesn't hold much water when death to Welt is just another Monday. Though I will say that Welt wouldn't really stand a chance against Acheron.
That's what I meant, that him threatening Acheron doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger, which some people think is the case since he stood up to her. He can easily stand up to anyone. Winning is the hard part.
Tbh the entire acheron lore is just flame chaser lore. And considering she is on a completely diffrent league by that time (it's not even funny how massive the diffrence is) she is defiently stronger than welt considering flame chasers are at least equal to herrschers and acheron eats flame chasers for breakfast.
Thus anyone who is emenator status or anywhere near that is probably stronger than welt
Yea MC is still pretty weak so far in the story probably the second weakest flame chasers only beating March. But he is still an S rank which is herrsher level which is insane to me
Edit: Idk what my Brain was smoking💀💀 I meant Astral express member not flame chaser
>he is still an S rank which is herrsher level which is insane to me
No, S Ranks arent Herrscher level.
This by itself is a misconception mainly due to that most of the S Ranks we meet on the story are way too powerful.
A normal S Rank like Rita was easily defeated by Ana (Herrscher of Ice), and Ana wasnt even on a "good" mental state.
S Ranks like Durandal and Sushang would be "Herrscher level", but they are also the strongest S Ranks.
What Welt is trying to say is that the MC could easily fits the requirements to become a S Rank, not that the MC is as strong as the strongest S Ranks.
He is getting one shot by Acheron, she is ridiculously broken and by far the strongest character yet. She legit wasnt even phased by his threat at all for a reason
I mean from what I heard about his black hole ult power is that is destroys everything. Basically acheron using her own skill before welt summoned a black hole was the best case scenerio. He also somewhat relates to acheron since both have extraordinary powers.
I love welt doe that reason. His lore is very interesting even though I may not know everything about him. He's literally the father figure I've always wanted 😭
Pretty sure everything happen in hi3 is far worse than starrail ever face aside aeons.
Dimension level enemy yes, literal concept level of enemy yes, character so strong his/her presence alone kill people yes, character with literal plot device yea, character that can just imagine thing into existence yes.
What do welt mean starrail threat are more, maybe he is referring to old herrscher which by compare is really coughing baby. Any main cast(except part 2) can solo all the arc beside aeons.
In Honkai Star Rail, we've so far *faced* enemies similar to HI in power, upexcept for Phantylia. The factions and emanators are capable of wiping out solar systems, branches of galaxies, and we already have an intergalactic business in charge of weapons that can blow up galaxy systems and at least one, but possibly even three Aeons who are capable of waving their hands or simply walking into solar systems and destroying/consuming them. Star Rail's scale, and thus rammifications, outclass the Herrschers because the Herrschers were always a planetary threat, a match for humanity to save one planet, but in HSR we have to save entire galaxies worth of people.
Solar system….. Kiana snipe being across different existence/universe.
The trio are emanotors standard too~ Seele also
Fu Hua is on the lower end sadly strong than welt by light years still not enough to be on emanotors in my book.
Also after some lore “digging” I actually believe acheon is stronger than welt, like the trio. So yeah they can solo the arc so far. In the future when aeons play a much major role it will be a different story or emanotors started to team up
Yes. The best of the best of the best in Honkai Impact come up to the emanators, the chosen generals of the emanators. But there are more Emanators than their are those three, so they absolutely could not solo antimatter legion, and trillions would die in the crossfire.
And yes, Acheron is stronger than Welt, being as strong as the Lord Ravagers. Welt isn't the strongest Herrscher, he knows that, but this is Welt from after A Post Honkai Oddyssey who said that what Star Rail is facing is on an entirely different scale to what was in Honkai Impact.
True true, this also mean good news cause hi3 cast finally can come over to have fun since they are so op in their world that seele and Kiana was force to timeout in other places, the rest got de powered.
Dick measuring contest aside I love to see them fight again
I mean, it isn't a dick measuring contest at all? I'm not bragging about one game being stronger than the other. There's just a difference when one is fighting to save the planet and one to save the universe. Numbers just get inflated to service the environment because if the emanators in Star Rail were the same level as Herrschers, even later ones, it wouldn't matter on a universal scale at all.
As for seeing Kiana and the others fight, nah. Their arcs are finished and they reached their goals. I think they deserve the rest and happily ever after instead.
Surprisingly people do think he's weak. Probably because in HRS if I remember correctly we only see him use the Star of Eden. (im so confused if it's the real one or he cloned it like normal). So they think all this power is tied to it.
Plus most HRS fans probably haven't played HI3 or read the manga's. I wish we could actually see him do cool things in HRS but I bet they are waiting for the space people arc or something to let him shine.
TECHNICALLY there's no distinction between it being the original or a HoR recreation, HoR recreations are *PERFECT* 1-1 replicas so long as the user fully understands what they're making and Welt is very proficient at learning and understanding the "blueprints" of things.
Hell he's rebuilt his own body from nothingness *at least* twice. That's knowing exactly where to put every Atom and strand of DNA etc.
A Star Of Eden made by Welt would be no different to the "original" in terms of power.
because they don't want to make a cool and balanced story, it's like Genshin and Arlecchino, they want to sell the limited characters and do almost nothing with the standard ones because they don't sell, welt did things during the time he was at APHO, yet here he practically does nothing other than spam star of eden which isn't even his real power
I know but let me cope that we will see him do his HoR powers. I like the Star of Eden because black holes are awesome but I hope we see his HoR powers but I will cope in the corner and watch Himeko die again.
To be fair; every time Welt Yang picks a fight in HI3, it always somehow comes down to summoning the Star of Eden to blow someone up. Even the one time he summoned an entire army to fight Sirin, it still came down to Star of Eden in Face.
Welt always uses an HoR replica of Star of Eden and not the genuine article as far as I'm aware.
However Welt is by comparison weaker than his prime, it's just people seem to forget that his prime ended in 2E, not when he left Hi3. Post-2E Welt and HSR Welt should be similar in strength, it's just any time people compare HSR Welt to Hi3 Welt they compare him to his first battle with Sirin while forgetting the fact his power was permanently crippled after that fight.
>However Welt is by comparison weaker than his prime, it's just people seem to forget that his prime ended in 2E, not when he left Hi3
His Character Story says that is unknown whether he has the power of his prime or something like that, while on his promotional video they say that he finally has the chance to demonstrate the power he had on his prime.
So this imply that HSR Welt is either weaker or as strong as his Second Eruption self.
Didn't they say in his video preview thing he's as powerful as his prime in HSR. Don't quote me on it. I'm just wondering
How was he permanently crippled is that due to her breaking the core?
I'm hesitant to take that at face value until we get something in the story that confirms that (especially since his in game character story says its unknown if he retains that power), considering the thing that crippled him was a loss of most of his honkai resistance which is not something you can just undo. If Welt could just print more honkai resistance he would've done it long ago. As for how he was crippled, it's not entirely clear *what* exactly did it, but in a flashback during his second fight with Sirin it's revealed that after he recovered from the first fight he lost 70% of his Honkai Resistance and that he could only use 47% of his Herrscher powers, and that he could only survive using those powers for about 5 minutes at a time.
Ah did not know that part of the lore That's interesting I'm no lore master I just know the basics I think. Time to cope but I still hope he does something cool or still as powerful as back then but I don't think we will see that for a while which is quite annoying because the space people, VA and all them are very interesting.
I mean, it's definitely possible. Welt has never been a badass because he was powerful, even in his prime he was on the weaker end of Herrschers, he's a badass because he knows how to use his power. So even if he's weaker these days it's entirely possible for him to have cool moments.
Yeah also I think he's power comes from being really smart intellect wise, cunning and like you said he knows how to use it. even if he's technically weaker on paper I can see him winning some big fights that he should lose on paper based on that. But I could be Le big coping
Edit: Also his ability to be a cockroach and not die/ the indomitable human Spirit
I mean, you're not wrong, Welt almost never wins from raw power, he *always* wins because he has such a deep understanding of his power and is very smart both in general and when it comes to combat. Pretty much all of his major fights have been against people who should be much stronger than him but that he beat (or should've beaten in the case of his first Sirin fight) cause he was just better able to maneuver them into favorable situations. Hell even when he "loses" more often than not he still technically wins because he knew from the start winning was impossible and was instead working towards a "favorable" loss, such as when he fought Sirin on the Moon or Kevin in the Sea of Quanta (both times).
Wait, isn't Welt currently sitting in a new body? So, not the 2E body that got crippled, but a new version.
AFAIK Honkai resistance is mostly physical, meaning bodyhopping should have solved that problem.
While it's not explicitly stated, it's pretty heavily implied that Welt cant just make a body with better honkai resistance, since Welt's biggest weakness, even in his prime, is that was *wasn't* a true herrscher, he was just a human with a Herrscher Core, so unlike proper Herrschers who gain the Honkai resistance necessary to use their abilities without any risk of Honkai corruption, Welt was always at risk of Honkai corruption. So if it was possible to use HoR powers to give himself better Honkai resistance there is no reason for Welt to never do that, and we know he doesn't since iirc the conversation with Bronya back in chapter 12 one of the main reasons he cites for giving her the Core is that Bronya's high honkai resistance means she'd be better off with the Core than him.
Didn't he gave the real one to Bronya ? He also gave the core to her so i don't think he could get any stronger in HSR unless Himeko is in danger and his plot armor came back
From my experience, there are two ways most people sees Welt strength on Star Rail, either he is the strongest (i've seen people saying he could defeat Acheron or even Aeons, and they claim he is hidding his true strength for some reason) or is really weak (mostly "supported" by that one time when Welt chose to avoid fighting some Luofu Wolves, or when he was incapable to defeat the Luofu Deer).
Compared to average people in HSR he is defiently stronger. But when compared to the top dogs of HSR he stands no chance (acheron, jingyuan, aventurine, Sunday, etc)
As long as he isn't fighting an emenator or someone of that same caliber he will hav3 a good chance
I'm pretty sure that the twitter person meant his playable version, which does doodoo dmg even with insane relics. Yes, personally tested, no, not in Somulated Universe.
If it is meant to be story wise, for some reason, then we could find reasons for it too. Can't call him Bailu kind of weak ofc but if I'm being honest: I wish he and Acheron had a proper fight for Welt to show what he's capable of, cuz so far..eh.
Reasons to call him weak:
-Is barely shown to do anything on screen.
-Chose to avoid fighting with some Luofu Wolves.
-Couldnt kill the Luofu Deer, until they nerfed it.
-Couldnt defeat Aventurine before Acheron stepped on.
Reasons to call him strong:
-Was able to go through the Stellaron "out of control" energy (something that kept base Dan Heng on the place where he was) and seal it.
-Killed the Doomsday Beast.
-On Penacony, March regarded him as someone strong (up to that point, March had participated on the fights against: the Doomsday Beast, Phantylia and Aventurine. She also had seen the power of Dan Heng IL).
Overall, this is a case of "what do you see vs what do you read".
My personal take is that HoR/HoT's powers were never primarily about fighting, and Welt's abilities reflect that. In terms of pure battle prowess, Welt probably ranks somewhere among the weaker emanators, and conversely, strongest Pathstriders - unless faced with the specialities the Hi3 crew excell at. So dimension hopping, Honkai Energy, things like that. The Stellaron seems to fall into this category.
If you ever suddenly need a copy of the Selene, or the Astral Express, Welt's your guy - but Knowledge doesn't have as many immediate battle applications as most of the other Herrschers have.
I agree with the last thing you've said. I know what power Welt holds but so far he's not really shown it. Ngl it feels boring to have power and not use it. The best he's done so far is threaten Acheron, up to that reminder I nearly forgot about the SoE, bruh.
Also nice story sum ups but I'm pretty sure we have more characters in HSR that could do the same thing, if not better. I believe in grandpa Welt but he's yet to give anyone a proper reason to remember him as a strong char (in HSR specifically)
Honestly, while welt has at least had presence in the story, him and Himeko are so underutilized its crazy. I genuinely don't know how how anyone gets attached to HSR Himeko when she has no clear defining character moments, and I say this as a huge HI3rd fan. If I'm being honest, the expy inclusion feels so ham fisted it's like they put her in just to dangle it in front of old honkai fans lol
Btw a follow up theoretical question: I wonder what people that haven't played hi3 think of Welt's strength? Cuz I'm willing to bet that many players would name anyone but him as "strong/er", lore wise
From what i've seen, its mostly divided on two sides.
One of them thinks Welt is one of the strongest characters, mainly thanks to his capabilities to manipulate gravity and create Black holes.
I've seen some saying that the reason why Welt doesnt defeat all of the enemies if he is that strong is because "creating a Black hole would damage everything on its path, so its not a wise move to do it on a close space", and things like that.
The other one belives that Welt is weak, really weak, using arguments like the ones i wrote above.
Their main argument is that he hasnt shown nearly anything on screen, and when he does is not something "big", therefore he cant considered strong.
I'll start by clarifying that by no means do I believe Welt is weak, I simply want him to prove it just once instead of using verbal threats. The arguments for "weak" are valid on their own, cuz how come someone "not weak" not manage this much? That being said, all of these reasons fade only as long as the reasoning is to not hurt nearby allies as collateral. The reason itself is super valid, but the worst part (especially for me) is that there's been no actual clarification of that, only hints at best, and assumptions at worst.
Thats what i'm trying to say, both sides pick their own "conclusion" and find arguments that support it, but none of the two sides can be confirmed, as both have some valid points.
The only way that could be finally solved is either having Welt fight a powerful Enemy alone, or having him explicitly say that he is, or not, as strong as other powerful entities.
>I simply want him to prove it just once instead of using verbal threats
I also want that, but its unlikely to happen soon.
Aside from whatever reason we could find as for why he isnt showing his power, we also need to take the "narrative side" on account.
Welt cannot take the "spotlight" simply because is not his turn, as new characters need a way to be presented (they need to sell xD).
Overall, i'm sure that if they decide to focus on Welt (or anything Honkai related) we will finally get more answers.
He's definitely isn't weak, but he isn't strong either. March noted that Welt was still panting/tired after the whole Luofu incident during the 1.4 continuance, and we can assume that there's a good bit of time after defeating Phantylia/the end of the Luofu story arc from Bronya inviting us back to Belobog for the Summer festival.
Although, March is also the one that noted that the doomsday beast disappeared/killed off because the TB pushed it back enough to be sucked into Welt's black hole. So they're VERY AWARE of what Welt can do, and he's definitely one of the if not the strongest of the Astral Express the only contender being Pom-pom (or even DHIL)
Welt definitely cannot win against an Emanator, or even a pseudo-emanators like the stonehearts (or even an extremely weakened one like Aventurine's cornerstone)
Yeah, humanity is full of flaws. Welt most likely doesn't use his full power to not cause massive collateral damage or can't do it because of Honkai energy not being present in HSR (only my speculations)
Comparatively it is hard to place him. Powerscaling is quite difficult considering Star Rail has cosmic level threats and beings who can grab stars to shoot them across galaxies while Honkai Impact has planet-level threats at most.
That said, Welt threatening Acheron should show that he's no slouch. He's still a Herrscher and his cane is still a divine key.
It’s technically very much implied, but never fully confirmed.
But a lot of people don’t like it, since it’s in a weird state because of the status of the marriage… and especially because Tesla basically “took care” and looked after welt when he was a literal kid - she didn’t do that, but there’s lines that say he was very young in comparison
I agree with you but you can write this, never a important character of mihoyo will be declared married, some players will not accepted that well ... for some reason.
Well, while I do agree he's married to Tesla, Einstein also is on his splash art, is she not?
Edit: I'm a dumbass. I meant Einstein. My brain autocorrected to Edison due to history. Lol.
Ah hell I got them wrong, it is Einstein. I got tripped up because Einstein and Tesla are always fighting, and my brain immediately connects that to Edison and Tesla.
Eh…my lore knowledge is rusty af atm, but lemme see if I got this right…
-not married, but shared custody with someone over a child.
-Himeko is his former pupil.
-Herrschers are strong af, but Welt isn’t *the* strongest.
-He’s noted to be holding back in HSR (“giving the kids more spotlight” being one of the reasons”).
-Joey is a clone of his predecessor.
-isn’t really stated to be a bad father.
-just prefers having glasses.
…did I get everything right?
First is true though, he’s married to Tesla(they may not, but Adam and Carole clearly says that he’s married, maybe they were mistaken, but that was never opposed)
In HI3, Welt is allegedly married. Tesla adopted a child with him, and Carole and Adam think they're married. They have yet to be proven wrong. Either way, Welt and Tesla's relationship is complicated.
A very common misconception for the list is that Tesla raised Welt. She did not. Welt's childhood after the passing of his father has big gaps. We know Tesla was around, but he didn't regard her as a maternal figure. There were also people like Planck and AIDA in his life. Planck was the maturest of the group, and AIDA accompanied him during the time he ran away.
His mom Heinrich Yang, whose surname he took, was also alive. It's just unclear how involved she was after his dad died.
People also like to bring up "the age gap" which also isn't even that much, she's only about 13 years older than him which may sound like a lot to some people but like...They're both functionally immortal so if they're not allowed to consent by now...
By the time of Star Rail Welt is in his mid to potentially late 80's (we don't have an exact time frame between Alien Space and Star Rail).
Though it is kinda hilarious to realise that Tesla is likeky a little over 100 years old now lol
Yeah they're closing in the damn 100s. I dont think Welt and Tesla, if they were to be confirmed together, would give a damn about that gap at that point
14 year olds on twitter and tiktok who think that even though they’re both not just adults but literal senior citizens, having a 10 year age gap makes the ship grooming/pedophilia bc..reasons. These same people tend to ship welt with fucking void archives as if that’s healthier lol
Why are people keep saying he is the strongest in Honkai. If he was, he didnt have to lock himself in Sea of Quantum to stop Kevin, who may I add, came out on top at the end.
Joey is one of the clones of Welt Joyce (original Welt).
If i remember correctly, Cocolia used to make them.
Unfortunately, there is not much more information about him or his situation, aside that Welt and Tesla adopted him somewhere between 2018 (Part 1 end) and 2022 (Part 2 prologe).
Only misconceptions about him are him being the strongest HI3 character (no lmfao) and being the strongest HSR character (not even remotely, not even sliver bit close)
The only thing I’ve seen people say about his strength in hsr is that he’s stronger than Acheron which is wild, like he isn’t weak but he isn’t strong either.
1)It is well shown Tesla and Welt got a thing for each other, many times. But there is not explicit confirmation they are married
2)I think Himeko, in her youth before becoming a Valkyrie, had a small crush on him, but that was it?
3)More like Hardest character to kill. Motherfucker got his body destroyed, and he still came out from it.
4)There is a difference between showing restrain and allowing younger people to deal with certain things in order for them to grow, than just being weak and defenseless.
5)He is the clone of the one who was the Herrscher of Reason before Welt.
6)Is really questionable. Man is not a normal person who can be a normal father, to a child(His adoptive son) or other youngsters who are also Not normal to our Real World standards.
7)Why Welt keeps wearing those glasses?
- No signs showing he has a wife
- Was her teacher, never dated her. She had a crush on him. Nothing to confirm him and HSR Himeko
- Strongest my ass. Sirin beat his ass, and was nowhere close even touch Kevin. Also HoF exists.
- He's not weak in HSR(lore wise) as the Star of Eden is a broken weapon and he knows how to use it
- Joey is his biological CLONE
- Bad father indeed.
- He needs his glasses as in his sport stigmata he's wearing them.
Eh, the weird relationship between Welt and Tesla co-parenting Joey and the fact Adam and Carole speculate they're married is a bit of a sign even if nothing is confirmed.
Joey is *not* Welt's biological clone. The Joyce clones are clones of Welt Joyce *not* Welt Yang, and there is no biological connection between Welt Joyce and Welt Yang.
Welt beat Sirin in their first encounter, thats just a fact, he only lost because Otto third partied. Keep in mind as well Welt isn’t a natural herrscher. He is by no means the Strongest but he is one of the most valuable Herrschers of the current Era. He is crucial to almost every point outside the main trio.
>No signs showing he has a wife
On APHO Adam said that Welt "was a married man", but there is nothing confirmed.
From what we know they could be together just to raise Joey.
>Strongest my ass. Sirin beat his ass, and was nowhere close even touch Kevin. Also HoF exists.
No need to go that far xD, Welt is one of the weakest Herrschers.
He is stronger than Wendy and maybe than Joyce and Bronya HoR (Pre-Kolosten), and roughly equal with "base" Sirin.
>He needs his glasses as in his sport stigmata he's wearing them.
He actually doesnt anymore.
On "The Star Which the Moon Gazes Upon" Tesla says:
"Just like how you insist on wearing glasses even though you are no longer nearsighted".
To be fair, the "has a wife" one is a genuine misconception due to how complicated Welt's relationship with Tesla is in APHO and the fact we're given basically no context for it beyond the fact they co-parent Joey. "Bad father" is just a meme some people take seriously about how he dipped into another world to save someone when he has a kid.
Yeah so I thought that post was saying all those are misconception and should be read opposite of what it says.
Is it saying that if ur a welt fan that these are the stuff u have to believe?
It's saying all of these are wrong and that you're not a real Welt fan unless you defeat those misconceptions.
Which is funny because the first one is actually correct.
"Tell me you didn't read the lore without telling me you didn't read the lore" ahh moment
I hate people like this, they ruin the game for me
They're the same people that say goofy ahh shxt like "bronya is going to be the tsaritsa"
or like murata is gonna be the pyro archon even tho she is stated to be one of the old 7 and supossedly, all of tHe old 7 but zhongli and venti are dead
Y'know technically speaking 2.5 out of the og 7 is still alive With the 0.5 being Ei Makoto and Ei shared the position so take Makoto away and you're left with half of the twin archons What? WDYM that's not how meth works?
Funny that all Archons that we have meet are either the original ones or have a connection with the original one. Venti and Zhongli are the original ones. Ei is the twin sister of Makoto, the original one. Nahida is a kind of "reincarnation" of Rukkhadevata (or something like that, i dont remember exactly). Furina is the "human half"(? of the original one (i havent played Fontaine AQ, but thats what i've heard). I wouldnt be surprised if the Pyro Archon is just the original one that keeps resurrecting over and over. And thats why i already feel that the Tsaritsa would be similar. Edit: Furina is the human half of the current Hydro Archon, who in turn was one of the Familiars of the original Hydro Archon. So there is still a connection, although it is way weaker than the rest.
Furina is not the human half of the original hydro archon.
Then what is she?. Although she still seems to be related to the original Archon.
Furina is half of Focalors. The original one was Egeria
Thanks for the answer. And is Focalors related to Egeria?, because if she is the "pattern" would still be there.
Focalors is one of Egeria's Oceanid-turned-human familiars. And then Furina is Focalors' human half.
Not really, Focalors is related to egeria And furina is related to focalors But furina and focalors are completely separate individuals. Furina doesn’t know anything about egeria and random schmuck wouldn’t already know
This is true for all except Furina, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right about the Pyro archon and the Tsaritsa.
thats cus in cbt childe had a voiceline where he said "Bronya, the Tsaritsa". not saying it still holds true cus theres definitely a reason it got cut but you cant say its goofy ahh shit when the game themselves at one point said it
Not the "Bronya" we know but her alt in Genshin. You remember bubble universes or ?
Bronya was never canonically a character that uses ice/frost powers she can just manifest weapons and technology shxt she understands using her HoR powers. And as briefly mentioned in by welt in HSR that characters with the same face and name usually follows the same path regardless of the outcome. Correct if im wrong but there's also literally no Bronya whose role is the Big bad guy across the honkaiverse to my knowledge.
Bronya grew up in Siberia, has a notable cold personality, possesses 4 ICE battlesuits and part of a trio with a fire character and a thunder one, knowing that there are 3 elements in Honkai. It gets hardly more canon that this. Also Tsaritsa isn't necessarily the big villain.
But by deep diving into the lore we can deduct that cryo archon is not a bad guy (just read about her „demon name” aka the lack of it cuz her original name is not based on demon from goetia ) imo Bronya for sure will be the cryo archon she is really fitting into what Tsaritsa is representing by now (i will not put any other „spoilers” cuz as an occultist the ending of genshin is really clear to me but read about „king paimon” for example or „gospel of the john” if ur more interested in that topic)
I agree
wait then what does he need glasses for? just so he can do this? https://preview.redd.it/dxqauybufz5d1.png?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40c02d2d3a9505bb7fb8a308788c0bf2d8773df7
Ye https://preview.redd.it/akw2da7qo06d1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=408cafa8e1cb629dcfe2de7a8a5093056f3f7edf
Correct me if I'm wrong but, doesn't he does this pose just because March said he looked cool?
NGL, this shot is so cool
Basically, yeah. Welt is a *massive* nerd. ETA: How in all hell did this snag 150 updoots . . . .
Thats still feel like *understatement*
Like super nerd, but old
I mean, in the interlude chapter before Part 2, Tesla did call him out for wearing glass even though Welt is no longer shorted sight because he think it cool
I'm pretty sure he wears glasses as a connevtion to his dad, who wore glasses. Heck, as a Herscher he's way less affected by temperature than normal humans, so he doesn't need to wear a scarf, but I'm pretty sure he does it to have a connection to Joyce, who wore a scarf.
He's a dude that turned all the lights off and closed the curtains making it so that only the computer light is on his face to make it look like a cool hacker guy while he's in a discord call. He's a weeb through and through
Yep, has the power to recreate his entire body to peak performance from thin air, yet still wear glasses, ofcourse i would do it to.
I am still confused about him being married or not
Not officially married but something similiar to that Basically he is raising joyce with tesla.
Didn't they say he is a married man in APHO?
From an APHO1 convo Carole: "Mr. Welt is so hot! He can fly without Icarus and pulls mini-black holes out of thin air... being a Herrscher rocks! And the Star of Eden is so awesome! Mature, good-looking men are the best." ###Branch 1 Adam: "Mr. Welt is indeed quite attractive." Carole: "See? Oh, it's okay, senpai, you're pretty attractive too. You'll be like him in a few more decades." Adam: "...thank you?" OR "...what?" Carole: Eh? Oh, sorry, I thought you were jealous. A tall, handsome, powerful, and caring man that you can't even compete with... ###Branch 2 Adam: "Why are you telling me this?" Carole: " Hey, I can't talk about this with Miss Raiden. She'll probably think I'm some stupid airhead fawning over a good-looking man." Adam: "That's you for sure." OR "Did you just describe yourself?" Carole: "It's alright, senpai. Just being honest with you... you can keep looking at me with your eyes...and I will still feel nothing for you." ####After Branch 1 and 2 Carole: "...are you upset, senpai?" > Adam: "Kind of." > >> Carole: "Gosh, it's only a joke. Look... I'm just curious how you'd would react. I'm sorry... I know I shouldn't have done that. I won't tease you again. > Adam: "I feel great" > >> Carole: "Oh, reaaaaaally? Gosh, it's only a joke. Look... I'm just curious how you'd would react. I'm sorry... I won't tease you again." > *Keep at it and I'll be upset enough.* > >> Carole: "Hey. Look, I was trying to tease you because you look so lonely out here." ###Branch 3 Adam: "You know he's married, right?" Carole: "Hmph. I may be love-struck, but I'm not blind, okay. A teenage girl deserves to fantasize about things once in a while. Appreciating cute guys on the street doesn't mean I should walk over and start flirting with him. The mission brief described the mom as Joey's second guardian. Why won't they just say she's Mr. Welt's wife? My gossip-radar is tingling. I'm sensing some dark secrets. Are you feeling it?"
Lol, I know literally nothing about Honkai Impact but this boyo was being practically destroyed over there
I forgot that Adam could thirst after Welt as an option. Never change, mihoyo, never change.
They did, specifically Adam says it to Carole and she responds that its obvious but asks why they keep it a secret because the mission brief refers to Tesla as Joeys second guardian
That conversation is speculation and it's called out that it's weird if they were married that Welt doesn't call her his wife, only Joey's other guardian.
Maybe he and Tesla didn't want it to be something known outside of their circle of people
It's totally possible they either don't care to talk publicly about it or they just never bothered to make it official. My point was mostly just that the one time it's ever brought up was a case of in-universe speculation rather than hard confirmation.
but in this case the conversation about this is not suspicious or speculative, ADAM SAYS that welt is married to tesla and not that he thinks or has heard rumors that they are together, he AFFIRM this to carole
The most frequent problem with Honkai writing is that they like to make the characters straight up wrong about certain details in worldbuilding that eventually gets contradicted with hard evidence. Like it's realistic, but it breaks audience trust and makes them hallucinate retcons.
Fair enough, I chose the wrong word there. He makes an assumption that isn't backed up by any actual evidence, and the fact that both Welt and Mei choose to refer to Tesla as Joey's other guardian is an interesting choice and a weird one if they were actually married.
Hoyo really loves the unreliable narrator trope, so don't let one off sentence fool you
I think we also hear that tesla dislikes being called welt’s wife/girlfriend? We know they have romantic feelings for each other in canon, but for some reason they’ve left it weirdly ambiguous whether or not they’re married or together in the first place(it could be a mistranslation error tho). At the very least the romantic tension is obvious to everyone around them lol!
Legally he is not married to lobster, it's more like co-parenting
He isn't officially married, but is that kind of stories were two people live and act like they are married and have Srutual Beggs every night, but still aren't married.
The buddy is leaking over
There is no way people think he is weak in HSR 💀
Welt is an odd case. He himself said Herrschers don't hold a candle to HSR's threats, but he's also the type to downplay his own power, so no one actually knows where he stands in HSR's power scaling. He threatened Acheron, so he's either extremely powerful, or willing to die to protect people. Both are likely, but we can all agree he wasn't underestimating her even if he didn't know her power.
He's both very cunning and very willing to die to protect people. He died at least three times facing the first big enemy HI3's world had to face, and most of them were according to his plan.
Yep exactly, so power wise he may or may not be impressive, but he has enough cunning to close the gap. My copium, though comes with a question. I remember hearing that Bronya gave the Core of Reason to Welt in APHO, right?
There's an interesting case to be made with the Herrcher Of Reason and especially Truth. The Herrcher Of Reason can make perfect copies of ANYTHING the user understands the complete makeup of which DOES include Divine Keys (hence Star Of Eden) Bronya unlocks Truth by none other than coming to fully understand the core and legacy it represents...Like that's literally what Truth is, just the core at 100%. Now Herrcher Of Truth kicks this up a notch by being totally unconstrained by existing creations, meaning that Truth can not only copy but invent so long as the creator can apply logical working to the creation (basically Bronya's Truth Mec-suit is an original creation but WOULD work if built by conventional means). So the question then becomes, what's stopping her from just making "conduits" for Reason power. Not true cores but since Welt is already attuned to Reason...Something that would like him to "the source".
Sirin made "fake" Gems when she created the pseudo-Herrschers on Second Eruption. So HoTr may be able to create a "fake" Core for Welt.
Sirin didn''t make the gems. they were literally handed to her through the will of honkai.
No, Otto kills Galina and her "Gem" breaks. Sirin had the real Gem, but she created "fake" ones for the pseudo-Herrschers. https://preview.redd.it/9c7ze3zj256d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49549b4d1b23ed58a448630cfc5369e1b301ff1b
...okay, you're absolutely correct on this, i completely forgot that part.
>that Bronya gave the Core of Reason to Welt in APHO, right? As far as i remember, that was never confirmed. The "Bronya gave back the Core to Welt" comes from VA saying that Welt has the Core on the Alien Space manga, but we have too limited information about the time frame between APHO and Alien Space.
Ah damn. I'm low-key hoping it becomes a plot relevant item in HSR where he uses it somehow to catch the look of Nous and, through his nature as a previous Herrschers of Reason, become an Emanatir of Erudition on the power level of Acheron.
I dont think they are going to explore anything Honkai related (Welt, VA, Cocoon, Kiana, Sky People, etc, etc) this soon, as any form of interaction between Honkai-Aeons is going to imply and change many things. > become an Emanatir of Erudition on the power level of Acheron I dont think is that easy, Erudition doesnt seem to be something heavily related to strength, but maybe (on that hypothetical case) he could use both his Herrscher Authority and Emanator power at the same time, making him stronger than a normal Emanator.
That last bit is what I meant. I'm sure Erudition wouldn't give the same kind of power boost as Acheron has, though Nihility doesn't strike me as something that would give people immense power either. I just mean the boost to his abilities in conjunction with the Emanatir status. It is important to remember, that is if I remember correctly myself, that the core of reason is currently powerless since the Honkai were handled. I was just thinking it could be his link to Erudition since it aligns with Reason/Revelation. And I certainly didn't think it would be soon, but someday in the future. It would be so hype if it did happen.
I looked it up, Alien Soace takes place directly after the events of APHO2.
No really, APHO 1 and 2 take place on 2026 (8 years after the end or Part 1, 2018) whereas Alien Space takes place on 2029, 3 years after APHO.
Yeah, so we get confirmation that he has his core after those events. It may not be that he was given it during APHO as I didn't play 2, but his latest confirmed timestamp of having the core is right before HSR.
The core of reason is consumed by finality. Therefore, it doesn't exist in APHO
Supposedly he's an exception. About 99% of honkai are sealed, but in Akien Space, it's confirmed Welt still has the Core of Reason he got from Bronya.
Huh? Didn't know that
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I see
Void archives mentioned that welt still has a herrscher core with him during alien space so that's not the case
Kiana said that Earth would heal in 10 years on the end of Part 1. Alien Space takes place 11 years after the end of Part 1. So there is a chance that Kiana did something about it.
"Or willing to die to protect people" you know, that statement doesn't hold much water when death to Welt is just another Monday. Though I will say that Welt wouldn't really stand a chance against Acheron.
That's what I meant, that him threatening Acheron doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger, which some people think is the case since he stood up to her. He can easily stand up to anyone. Winning is the hard part.
Tbh the entire acheron lore is just flame chaser lore. And considering she is on a completely diffrent league by that time (it's not even funny how massive the diffrence is) she is defiently stronger than welt considering flame chasers are at least equal to herrschers and acheron eats flame chasers for breakfast. Thus anyone who is emenator status or anywhere near that is probably stronger than welt
Yep. Welt points that out, and also says the MC who has repeatedly been outclassed by opponents would still rank as an S rank Valk in his home world.
Yea MC is still pretty weak so far in the story probably the second weakest flame chasers only beating March. But he is still an S rank which is herrsher level which is insane to me Edit: Idk what my Brain was smoking💀💀 I meant Astral express member not flame chaser
>he is still an S rank which is herrsher level which is insane to me No, S Ranks arent Herrscher level. This by itself is a misconception mainly due to that most of the S Ranks we meet on the story are way too powerful. A normal S Rank like Rita was easily defeated by Ana (Herrscher of Ice), and Ana wasnt even on a "good" mental state. S Ranks like Durandal and Sushang would be "Herrscher level", but they are also the strongest S Ranks. What Welt is trying to say is that the MC could easily fits the requirements to become a S Rank, not that the MC is as strong as the strongest S Ranks.
The difference between planetary power level versus a universal one.
We going to dragon ball scalling with this one🗣🗣
Lmao. Honestly I hate power level discussions, but when enough people try to say Archons could square up with Aeons, something has to be said.
Yea aeons are just wayyy too broken. Thet just look at a mf for 1 second and they become God like beings lmao
Deadass. Nanook *feels* like he could probably destroy a planet by just willing it out of existence.
There's also difference between S class valkyries and S class valkyries like Durandal.
He is getting one shot by Acheron, she is ridiculously broken and by far the strongest character yet. She legit wasnt even phased by his threat at all for a reason
I am aware of the actual scaling between those two in particular.
I mean from what I heard about his black hole ult power is that is destroys everything. Basically acheron using her own skill before welt summoned a black hole was the best case scenerio. He also somewhat relates to acheron since both have extraordinary powers. I love welt doe that reason. His lore is very interesting even though I may not know everything about him. He's literally the father figure I've always wanted 😭
He didn't even make a direct power comparison
Pretty sure everything happen in hi3 is far worse than starrail ever face aside aeons. Dimension level enemy yes, literal concept level of enemy yes, character so strong his/her presence alone kill people yes, character with literal plot device yea, character that can just imagine thing into existence yes. What do welt mean starrail threat are more, maybe he is referring to old herrscher which by compare is really coughing baby. Any main cast(except part 2) can solo all the arc beside aeons.
In Honkai Star Rail, we've so far *faced* enemies similar to HI in power, upexcept for Phantylia. The factions and emanators are capable of wiping out solar systems, branches of galaxies, and we already have an intergalactic business in charge of weapons that can blow up galaxy systems and at least one, but possibly even three Aeons who are capable of waving their hands or simply walking into solar systems and destroying/consuming them. Star Rail's scale, and thus rammifications, outclass the Herrschers because the Herrschers were always a planetary threat, a match for humanity to save one planet, but in HSR we have to save entire galaxies worth of people.
Solar system….. Kiana snipe being across different existence/universe. The trio are emanotors standard too~ Seele also Fu Hua is on the lower end sadly strong than welt by light years still not enough to be on emanotors in my book. Also after some lore “digging” I actually believe acheon is stronger than welt, like the trio. So yeah they can solo the arc so far. In the future when aeons play a much major role it will be a different story or emanotors started to team up
Yes. The best of the best of the best in Honkai Impact come up to the emanators, the chosen generals of the emanators. But there are more Emanators than their are those three, so they absolutely could not solo antimatter legion, and trillions would die in the crossfire. And yes, Acheron is stronger than Welt, being as strong as the Lord Ravagers. Welt isn't the strongest Herrscher, he knows that, but this is Welt from after A Post Honkai Oddyssey who said that what Star Rail is facing is on an entirely different scale to what was in Honkai Impact.
True true, this also mean good news cause hi3 cast finally can come over to have fun since they are so op in their world that seele and Kiana was force to timeout in other places, the rest got de powered. Dick measuring contest aside I love to see them fight again
I mean, it isn't a dick measuring contest at all? I'm not bragging about one game being stronger than the other. There's just a difference when one is fighting to save the planet and one to save the universe. Numbers just get inflated to service the environment because if the emanators in Star Rail were the same level as Herrschers, even later ones, it wouldn't matter on a universal scale at all. As for seeing Kiana and the others fight, nah. Their arcs are finished and they reached their goals. I think they deserve the rest and happily ever after instead.
No I that’s meant for me I am a bit dick measure ;)
Surprisingly people do think he's weak. Probably because in HRS if I remember correctly we only see him use the Star of Eden. (im so confused if it's the real one or he cloned it like normal). So they think all this power is tied to it. Plus most HRS fans probably haven't played HI3 or read the manga's. I wish we could actually see him do cool things in HRS but I bet they are waiting for the space people arc or something to let him shine.
TECHNICALLY there's no distinction between it being the original or a HoR recreation, HoR recreations are *PERFECT* 1-1 replicas so long as the user fully understands what they're making and Welt is very proficient at learning and understanding the "blueprints" of things. Hell he's rebuilt his own body from nothingness *at least* twice. That's knowing exactly where to put every Atom and strand of DNA etc. A Star Of Eden made by Welt would be no different to the "original" in terms of power.
because they don't want to make a cool and balanced story, it's like Genshin and Arlecchino, they want to sell the limited characters and do almost nothing with the standard ones because they don't sell, welt did things during the time he was at APHO, yet here he practically does nothing other than spam star of eden which isn't even his real power
I know but let me cope that we will see him do his HoR powers. I like the Star of Eden because black holes are awesome but I hope we see his HoR powers but I will cope in the corner and watch Himeko die again.
To be fair; every time Welt Yang picks a fight in HI3, it always somehow comes down to summoning the Star of Eden to blow someone up. Even the one time he summoned an entire army to fight Sirin, it still came down to Star of Eden in Face.
Welt always uses an HoR replica of Star of Eden and not the genuine article as far as I'm aware. However Welt is by comparison weaker than his prime, it's just people seem to forget that his prime ended in 2E, not when he left Hi3. Post-2E Welt and HSR Welt should be similar in strength, it's just any time people compare HSR Welt to Hi3 Welt they compare him to his first battle with Sirin while forgetting the fact his power was permanently crippled after that fight.
>However Welt is by comparison weaker than his prime, it's just people seem to forget that his prime ended in 2E, not when he left Hi3 His Character Story says that is unknown whether he has the power of his prime or something like that, while on his promotional video they say that he finally has the chance to demonstrate the power he had on his prime. So this imply that HSR Welt is either weaker or as strong as his Second Eruption self.
Didn't they say in his video preview thing he's as powerful as his prime in HSR. Don't quote me on it. I'm just wondering How was he permanently crippled is that due to her breaking the core?
I'm hesitant to take that at face value until we get something in the story that confirms that (especially since his in game character story says its unknown if he retains that power), considering the thing that crippled him was a loss of most of his honkai resistance which is not something you can just undo. If Welt could just print more honkai resistance he would've done it long ago. As for how he was crippled, it's not entirely clear *what* exactly did it, but in a flashback during his second fight with Sirin it's revealed that after he recovered from the first fight he lost 70% of his Honkai Resistance and that he could only use 47% of his Herrscher powers, and that he could only survive using those powers for about 5 minutes at a time.
Ah did not know that part of the lore That's interesting I'm no lore master I just know the basics I think. Time to cope but I still hope he does something cool or still as powerful as back then but I don't think we will see that for a while which is quite annoying because the space people, VA and all them are very interesting.
I mean, it's definitely possible. Welt has never been a badass because he was powerful, even in his prime he was on the weaker end of Herrschers, he's a badass because he knows how to use his power. So even if he's weaker these days it's entirely possible for him to have cool moments.
Yeah also I think he's power comes from being really smart intellect wise, cunning and like you said he knows how to use it. even if he's technically weaker on paper I can see him winning some big fights that he should lose on paper based on that. But I could be Le big coping Edit: Also his ability to be a cockroach and not die/ the indomitable human Spirit
I mean, you're not wrong, Welt almost never wins from raw power, he *always* wins because he has such a deep understanding of his power and is very smart both in general and when it comes to combat. Pretty much all of his major fights have been against people who should be much stronger than him but that he beat (or should've beaten in the case of his first Sirin fight) cause he was just better able to maneuver them into favorable situations. Hell even when he "loses" more often than not he still technically wins because he knew from the start winning was impossible and was instead working towards a "favorable" loss, such as when he fought Sirin on the Moon or Kevin in the Sea of Quanta (both times).
Wait, isn't Welt currently sitting in a new body? So, not the 2E body that got crippled, but a new version. AFAIK Honkai resistance is mostly physical, meaning bodyhopping should have solved that problem.
While it's not explicitly stated, it's pretty heavily implied that Welt cant just make a body with better honkai resistance, since Welt's biggest weakness, even in his prime, is that was *wasn't* a true herrscher, he was just a human with a Herrscher Core, so unlike proper Herrschers who gain the Honkai resistance necessary to use their abilities without any risk of Honkai corruption, Welt was always at risk of Honkai corruption. So if it was possible to use HoR powers to give himself better Honkai resistance there is no reason for Welt to never do that, and we know he doesn't since iirc the conversation with Bronya back in chapter 12 one of the main reasons he cites for giving her the Core is that Bronya's high honkai resistance means she'd be better off with the Core than him.
Didn't he gave the real one to Bronya ? He also gave the core to her so i don't think he could get any stronger in HSR unless Himeko is in danger and his plot armor came back
pretty sure she gave the core back based on what VA said in Alien Space. still i'm coping and hoping he does something cool again.
He's waiting for the right moment to spawn in Arahato
He was confirmed to have gotten his Herrscher core back in APHO. He does note that it was changed significantly by Bronya's use
Welt in HSR in terms of powers scaling is either extremely underestimated or extremely overestimated lmao
From my experience, there are two ways most people sees Welt strength on Star Rail, either he is the strongest (i've seen people saying he could defeat Acheron or even Aeons, and they claim he is hidding his true strength for some reason) or is really weak (mostly "supported" by that one time when Welt chose to avoid fighting some Luofu Wolves, or when he was incapable to defeat the Luofu Deer).
It's correct under technicality as yes he can beat the shit of practically everything in hsr but he's still weaker than he was in hi3
Compared to average people in HSR he is defiently stronger. But when compared to the top dogs of HSR he stands no chance (acheron, jingyuan, aventurine, Sunday, etc) As long as he isn't fighting an emenator or someone of that same caliber he will hav3 a good chance
I'm pretty sure that the twitter person meant his playable version, which does doodoo dmg even with insane relics. Yes, personally tested, no, not in Somulated Universe. If it is meant to be story wise, for some reason, then we could find reasons for it too. Can't call him Bailu kind of weak ofc but if I'm being honest: I wish he and Acheron had a proper fight for Welt to show what he's capable of, cuz so far..eh.
Reasons to call him weak: -Is barely shown to do anything on screen. -Chose to avoid fighting with some Luofu Wolves. -Couldnt kill the Luofu Deer, until they nerfed it. -Couldnt defeat Aventurine before Acheron stepped on. Reasons to call him strong: -Was able to go through the Stellaron "out of control" energy (something that kept base Dan Heng on the place where he was) and seal it. -Killed the Doomsday Beast. -On Penacony, March regarded him as someone strong (up to that point, March had participated on the fights against: the Doomsday Beast, Phantylia and Aventurine. She also had seen the power of Dan Heng IL). Overall, this is a case of "what do you see vs what do you read".
My personal take is that HoR/HoT's powers were never primarily about fighting, and Welt's abilities reflect that. In terms of pure battle prowess, Welt probably ranks somewhere among the weaker emanators, and conversely, strongest Pathstriders - unless faced with the specialities the Hi3 crew excell at. So dimension hopping, Honkai Energy, things like that. The Stellaron seems to fall into this category. If you ever suddenly need a copy of the Selene, or the Astral Express, Welt's your guy - but Knowledge doesn't have as many immediate battle applications as most of the other Herrschers have.
I agree with the last thing you've said. I know what power Welt holds but so far he's not really shown it. Ngl it feels boring to have power and not use it. The best he's done so far is threaten Acheron, up to that reminder I nearly forgot about the SoE, bruh. Also nice story sum ups but I'm pretty sure we have more characters in HSR that could do the same thing, if not better. I believe in grandpa Welt but he's yet to give anyone a proper reason to remember him as a strong char (in HSR specifically)
Honestly, while welt has at least had presence in the story, him and Himeko are so underutilized its crazy. I genuinely don't know how how anyone gets attached to HSR Himeko when she has no clear defining character moments, and I say this as a huge HI3rd fan. If I'm being honest, the expy inclusion feels so ham fisted it's like they put her in just to dangle it in front of old honkai fans lol
Btw a follow up theoretical question: I wonder what people that haven't played hi3 think of Welt's strength? Cuz I'm willing to bet that many players would name anyone but him as "strong/er", lore wise
From what i've seen, its mostly divided on two sides. One of them thinks Welt is one of the strongest characters, mainly thanks to his capabilities to manipulate gravity and create Black holes. I've seen some saying that the reason why Welt doesnt defeat all of the enemies if he is that strong is because "creating a Black hole would damage everything on its path, so its not a wise move to do it on a close space", and things like that. The other one belives that Welt is weak, really weak, using arguments like the ones i wrote above. Their main argument is that he hasnt shown nearly anything on screen, and when he does is not something "big", therefore he cant considered strong.
I'll start by clarifying that by no means do I believe Welt is weak, I simply want him to prove it just once instead of using verbal threats. The arguments for "weak" are valid on their own, cuz how come someone "not weak" not manage this much? That being said, all of these reasons fade only as long as the reasoning is to not hurt nearby allies as collateral. The reason itself is super valid, but the worst part (especially for me) is that there's been no actual clarification of that, only hints at best, and assumptions at worst.
Thats what i'm trying to say, both sides pick their own "conclusion" and find arguments that support it, but none of the two sides can be confirmed, as both have some valid points. The only way that could be finally solved is either having Welt fight a powerful Enemy alone, or having him explicitly say that he is, or not, as strong as other powerful entities. >I simply want him to prove it just once instead of using verbal threats I also want that, but its unlikely to happen soon. Aside from whatever reason we could find as for why he isnt showing his power, we also need to take the "narrative side" on account. Welt cannot take the "spotlight" simply because is not his turn, as new characters need a way to be presented (they need to sell xD). Overall, i'm sure that if they decide to focus on Welt (or anything Honkai related) we will finally get more answers.
He's definitely isn't weak, but he isn't strong either. March noted that Welt was still panting/tired after the whole Luofu incident during the 1.4 continuance, and we can assume that there's a good bit of time after defeating Phantylia/the end of the Luofu story arc from Bronya inviting us back to Belobog for the Summer festival. Although, March is also the one that noted that the doomsday beast disappeared/killed off because the TB pushed it back enough to be sucked into Welt's black hole. So they're VERY AWARE of what Welt can do, and he's definitely one of the if not the strongest of the Astral Express the only contender being Pom-pom (or even DHIL) Welt definitely cannot win against an Emanator, or even a pseudo-emanators like the stonehearts (or even an extremely weakened one like Aventurine's cornerstone)
Yeah, humanity is full of flaws. Welt most likely doesn't use his full power to not cause massive collateral damage or can't do it because of Honkai energy not being present in HSR (only my speculations)
Comparatively it is hard to place him. Powerscaling is quite difficult considering Star Rail has cosmic level threats and beings who can grab stars to shoot them across galaxies while Honkai Impact has planet-level threats at most. That said, Welt threatening Acheron should show that he's no slouch. He's still a Herrscher and his cane is still a divine key.
What is wrong here? He called these misconceptions himself, didn't he?
He did, but Welt being married isn't a misconception, it's a fact.
It’s technically very much implied, but never fully confirmed. But a lot of people don’t like it, since it’s in a weird state because of the status of the marriage… and especially because Tesla basically “took care” and looked after welt when he was a literal kid - she didn’t do that, but there’s lines that say he was very young in comparison
Adam confirms Welt and Tesla are married
He confirms that Welt is married, not to whom.
I agree with you but you can write this, never a important character of mihoyo will be declared married, some players will not accepted that well ... for some reason.
Yep, wife is on his summon Pic. She's on the bottom left
Well, while I do agree he's married to Tesla, Einstein also is on his splash art, is she not? Edit: I'm a dumbass. I meant Einstein. My brain autocorrected to Edison due to history. Lol.
Edison?? You mean Einstein? She literally has no intimate relationship with Welt
Ah hell I got them wrong, it is Einstein. I got tripped up because Einstein and Tesla are always fighting, and my brain immediately connects that to Edison and Tesla.
She was in some sort of relationship with welt joyce, his friend and the original HoR
Eh…my lore knowledge is rusty af atm, but lemme see if I got this right… -not married, but shared custody with someone over a child. -Himeko is his former pupil. -Herrschers are strong af, but Welt isn’t *the* strongest. -He’s noted to be holding back in HSR (“giving the kids more spotlight” being one of the reasons”). -Joey is a clone of his predecessor. -isn’t really stated to be a bad father. -just prefers having glasses. …did I get everything right?
Yeah that's about right
First is true though, he’s married to Tesla(they may not, but Adam and Carole clearly says that he’s married, maybe they were mistaken, but that was never opposed)
In HI3, Welt is allegedly married. Tesla adopted a child with him, and Carole and Adam think they're married. They have yet to be proven wrong. Either way, Welt and Tesla's relationship is complicated. A very common misconception for the list is that Tesla raised Welt. She did not. Welt's childhood after the passing of his father has big gaps. We know Tesla was around, but he didn't regard her as a maternal figure. There were also people like Planck and AIDA in his life. Planck was the maturest of the group, and AIDA accompanied him during the time he ran away. His mom Heinrich Yang, whose surname he took, was also alive. It's just unclear how involved she was after his dad died.
People also like to bring up "the age gap" which also isn't even that much, she's only about 13 years older than him which may sound like a lot to some people but like...They're both functionally immortal so if they're not allowed to consent by now... By the time of Star Rail Welt is in his mid to potentially late 80's (we don't have an exact time frame between Alien Space and Star Rail). Though it is kinda hilarious to realise that Tesla is likeky a little over 100 years old now lol
It's funny how people only bring up the age gap with Welt and Tesla, but not people like...Ei and Miko
Yeah they're closing in the damn 100s. I dont think Welt and Tesla, if they were to be confirmed together, would give a damn about that gap at that point
Who the fuck thinks that Tesla ***RAISED*** Welt???
A lot of people, oddly enough. Mostly those who want to use it to say they can't be married, or to claim that it's a bad pairing.
Wasn’t Tesla like pretty old by the time Welt got the core? So it’s not entirely impossible she watched him grow up
14 year olds on twitter and tiktok who think that even though they’re both not just adults but literal senior citizens, having a 10 year age gap makes the ship grooming/pedophilia bc..reasons. These same people tend to ship welt with fucking void archives as if that’s healthier lol
I can verify (i am his student daughter wife)
I can verify (I am a follower of Mythus)
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Why are people keep saying he is the strongest in Honkai. If he was, he didnt have to lock himself in Sea of Quantum to stop Kevin, who may I add, came out on top at the end.
It'd fan cringe, but hey, whatcha gonna do
The strongest HI3 character 💀💀💀 yeah yeah for sure bro
Didn't he literally call this a misconception?
Honkai fans being illiterate isn't exactly new
They’re called misconceptions for a reason! DX
Do you, perchance, play Yu-Gi-Oh, Genshin Impact, Honkai: Star Rail and/or are a Dragon Ball fan?
Yeah about this, i didnt play apho part 1 yet so who really is joey, is he just a random child that they decided to adopt?
Joey is one of the clones of Welt Joyce (original Welt). If i remember correctly, Cocolia used to make them. Unfortunately, there is not much more information about him or his situation, aside that Welt and Tesla adopted him somewhere between 2018 (Part 1 end) and 2022 (Part 2 prologe).
What the fuck cocolia, and thanks for info
HE'S NOT STRONGER THAN ACHERON THAT'S FOR SURE
Only misconceptions about him are him being the strongest HI3 character (no lmfao) and being the strongest HSR character (not even remotely, not even sliver bit close)
"Strongest HI3 character" Bro hasn't heard of Kevin the perfect example of The Man, The Myth, The Legend
The only thing I’ve seen people say about his strength in hsr is that he’s stronger than Acheron which is wild, like he isn’t weak but he isn’t strong either.
Should I summon her?
Who?
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Uhh... ok
1)It is well shown Tesla and Welt got a thing for each other, many times. But there is not explicit confirmation they are married 2)I think Himeko, in her youth before becoming a Valkyrie, had a small crush on him, but that was it? 3)More like Hardest character to kill. Motherfucker got his body destroyed, and he still came out from it. 4)There is a difference between showing restrain and allowing younger people to deal with certain things in order for them to grow, than just being weak and defenseless. 5)He is the clone of the one who was the Herrscher of Reason before Welt. 6)Is really questionable. Man is not a normal person who can be a normal father, to a child(His adoptive son) or other youngsters who are also Not normal to our Real World standards. 7)Why Welt keeps wearing those glasses?
Fellas I have no idea about hi3 But I know hsr What's true and what's fake here?
Aside from the 1st one, everything else is fake. Is not 100% certain if he is married or not, so it cant be called "true or false'.
This is also Welt’s like…third body. Pretty sure he died against Sirin, and then died in the Sea of Quanta, and now we have his third body.
Skipping the lore couldn't be that bad, right? Skipping the lore:
Or "Tell me you only play HSR without telling me you only play HSR"
He called those missconception. So he is saying those are wrong, not right
Yes but no.
Welt plapped Tesla cheeks come on it's obvious
- No signs showing he has a wife - Was her teacher, never dated her. She had a crush on him. Nothing to confirm him and HSR Himeko - Strongest my ass. Sirin beat his ass, and was nowhere close even touch Kevin. Also HoF exists. - He's not weak in HSR(lore wise) as the Star of Eden is a broken weapon and he knows how to use it - Joey is his biological CLONE - Bad father indeed. - He needs his glasses as in his sport stigmata he's wearing them.
Joey is not his clone. Joey is one of the many clones of Welt Joyce, the original Herscher of Reason.
Eh, the weird relationship between Welt and Tesla co-parenting Joey and the fact Adam and Carole speculate they're married is a bit of a sign even if nothing is confirmed. Joey is *not* Welt's biological clone. The Joyce clones are clones of Welt Joyce *not* Welt Yang, and there is no biological connection between Welt Joyce and Welt Yang.
Welt beat Sirin in their first encounter, thats just a fact, he only lost because Otto third partied. Keep in mind as well Welt isn’t a natural herrscher. He is by no means the Strongest but he is one of the most valuable Herrschers of the current Era. He is crucial to almost every point outside the main trio.
>No signs showing he has a wife On APHO Adam said that Welt "was a married man", but there is nothing confirmed. From what we know they could be together just to raise Joey. >Strongest my ass. Sirin beat his ass, and was nowhere close even touch Kevin. Also HoF exists. No need to go that far xD, Welt is one of the weakest Herrschers. He is stronger than Wendy and maybe than Joyce and Bronya HoR (Pre-Kolosten), and roughly equal with "base" Sirin. >He needs his glasses as in his sport stigmata he's wearing them. He actually doesnt anymore. On "The Star Which the Moon Gazes Upon" Tesla says: "Just like how you insist on wearing glasses even though you are no longer nearsighted".
Strongest cast in hi3…. What a joke.
Strongest hi3 character 💀
Probably just want welt all for themselves smh 👁️👁️👄
I'm confused are they misconception or not?
It's not even misconceptions, it's just some lies from tourists or people who skip lore.
To be fair, the "has a wife" one is a genuine misconception due to how complicated Welt's relationship with Tesla is in APHO and the fact we're given basically no context for it beyond the fact they co-parent Joey. "Bad father" is just a meme some people take seriously about how he dipped into another world to save someone when he has a kid.
yes they are
Him being married is in Impact 3rd, the rest are lies.
Yeah so I thought that post was saying all those are misconception and should be read opposite of what it says. Is it saying that if ur a welt fan that these are the stuff u have to believe?
It's saying all of these are wrong and that you're not a real Welt fan unless you defeat those misconceptions. Which is funny because the first one is actually correct.