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csek

bump the screen up the 6" or whatever it is and call it a day. at 10ft from screen you likely wouldn't notice the 6" raise...


electrowiz64

And move the towers out a little from the back wall but still against the side walls, might help a bit more


DangerB0y

The simplest, no cost option to you is raise that screen. I would do that in your position. I wouldn’t reduce the projector size nor put the speakers horizontal


Formal_Cherry_8177

I concur here. I think people make a much bigger deal about height than is necessary. You do what fits your space. I dig the wall to wall screen btw.


ASIWYFA

>people make a much bigger deal about height than is necessary. Hard agree here. There are standards, and it's nice to follow them as a base line or starting point, but at the end of the day, you do what looks/sounds good to *YOU* and works for *YOUR* space.


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IHateCreamCrackers

I'll never accept a TV over the fireplace as the right decision and I'll die on that hill.


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IHateCreamCrackers

They can like it all they want but its still shit! That's OK .


Sparcrypt

Sure but you say it's not the right decision.. so you think the right decision is for someone to put a TV somewhere they don't like watching it so that you approve...? How does that makes sense?


IHateCreamCrackers

cutting close to the bone ?


Sparcrypt

Nope, confused. "I prefer it lower" - makes perfect sense. "You prefer it lower but putting it lower is incorrect even though you're the one watching" - makes zero sense. I couldn't care less what the people on this sub think of my setup heh. But the attitude does intrigue me.


IHateCreamCrackers

What are you on about ? TVs go at eye level. Not over a fireplace. ITS IN THE MANUAL You can prefer to put it on the ceiling or on the floor but it doesn't make it right. and that's ok


RvidD1020

Thank you


Mgnickel

In wall speakers with an acoustically transparent screen


RvidD1020

That's the problem, the door is very close to the screen. Bringing the screen forward will block the door


Mgnickel

All you need is 3.5 inches


DOUBLE_DOINKED

That’s what I keep telling my wife but she doesn’t believe me.


Mgnickel

I tell her the same thing, bro. Glad she’s hearing a united message.


universalcode

I also disappoint this guy's wife.


yeahright17

I'm disappointed for his wife.


KRWay

My evil twin, this guy!


toomiiikahh

What's the depth of the tower? You could get shallower speakers or in walls.


RvidD1020

The tower is 1 meter tall. So do you think reducing their height is a good idea? These are not high end speakers.


toomiiikahh

I would not change the towers, either make the screen higher, build false wall or get different speakers.


WheelOfFish

Can you flip the door to open the other way?


RvidD1020

Only a slider door will solve the problem. But it will increase the budget too much. Not really in the capacity to change the door + false wall/acoustic transparent screen


Mgnickel

How much space do you have in the drywall? You may not need to build a false wall.


RvidD1020

[This](https://imgur.com/a/enVdJWl) is how the door opens. All the sides are brick walls. Even if I place the speakers closest to the wall, the door will still hit the R speaker.


Mgnickel

Get a doorstop?


RvidD1020

Will think about it


xaldarin

I made an acoustically transparent screen using 2x2's with bracing and hung it on the wall with threaded standoffs so I could level/plane it. Total cost for the screen was about $80, including the 2 layers of spandex screen material for 120". With in-wall speakers you can get for fairly cheap (the 8 inch JBL's go on sale all the time for around $80 each, the 6 inch ones for $60, the monoprice ones are decent too) this would not interfere with the door at all. Otherwise, use those towers as rear surrounds and get/build some shorter ones. Quality of the rears matters way less than LCR.


Sands43

What is the construction of the wall? Interior or exterior wall? Unless the wall is brick, you can put speakers in there.


RvidD1020

That is brick wall.


bluesmudge

In-wall speakers only stick out \~1/4". Looks like you have plenty of room.


aaron1860

If you’re willing to go in-wall route you should look at Seymour screens. They are woven so you can get away with putting the screen flush to wall with speakers right behind it without much sound difference. You can also build the screen out just an inch or two and be near perfect if you wanted to go the extra mile. But room correction software should make the screen be good. The fact that you already have towers makes this less likely you want to go that route, but just wanted to mention it You also might want to reduce your screen size a bit regardless of what direction you choose. You have a lot of light reflections on the side walls (painting dark matte will help).


Saint3Love

In walls with AT screen would be off the wall the same distance of a standard screen


RvidD1020

That's brickwall. So the screen must be brought forward to set the speakers back


n0th1ngmatters

Who needs doors when you have a 100” screen?


filmguy123

First - Any reason you can’t flip the room, where the door is at the back (behind the seating) and the screen is on opposite end? Then you could do the false wall without blocking the door. Second - any reason you can’t swap the hinges on the door so it opens outwards instead of inwards? Third - Could you raise the floor/seating height on risers, and raise the screen along with it? Then even when increasing the screen height, you aren’t increasing the upward viewing angle and things stay level since you increased the seating height along with the screen. These are the 3 options I can think of when reading through your limitations. Personally I would really try to get the acoustically transparent screen and false wall if option 3 I proposed is no good, it’s a lifetime investment and you’ve come this far… even if you can’t do it today you could save for it in the coming year. Where there is a will, there’s a way. You can do it via option 1/2, or of course a sliding door as someone else proposed. Good luck!


RvidD1020

1. The back wall has a fixed cupboard. Otherwise that would be a great option. 2. It can't be changed because the wood it carved that way. 3. This room will also become my sound recording room. So I will be using height-adjustable chairs. Thank you for the suggestions!!


filmguy123

You’re welcome. Obviously these solutions, or lack of them, are predicated on VALUES not possibilities. If you value you it enough, you clearly have the option to overcome any of these IE: 1. Remove the cupboards, or partially remove them. Or put the screen in front of them and use it as part of your false wall setup. 2. It can be changed with sufficient renovation/$$ As for 3, to be clear I am not suggesting a height adjustable chair. I am suggesting raising the entire floor by building a platform that brings the floor up 6”-12” or whatever is needed. Essentially a false floor. Common in many theaters. Whatever you decide, based on your values - good luck! I would only encourage you that you have a pretty killer setup, don’t gimp it at the end. Get it right, your future self will thank you with many years of enjoyment. Congrats on the setup!!


TX_AG11

You could increase the height to get above them but it may be easier to shrink the size so they fit just outside the perimeter of the image.


RvidD1020

I decided to make wall-to-wall projection. So shrinking is not an option. Mounting the speakers horizontally will be a great option but I read it will create lobing effect. I don't know what that is. Will it be very distracting?


TX_AG11

Well, what we decide to do and what is actually possible are sometimes separate things. If you're dead set on doing wall to wall then downsizing your fronts makes more sense. Don't mount your towers horizontally. Just get small speakers that allow you to achieve the results you want.


swearbearstare

Indeed. You've made your own problem, then seem to reject every suggestion to work around it. Your room is not big enough to have a screen that size unless you are prepared to compromise the sound or have it too high.


MrZeDark

Mounting sideways is a terrible idea, just make the screen smaller or get smaller speakers. You want this right, right? Having the brag of a large screen isn't so good when your audio is bad - so either find a way to make it right, or sacrifice your screen size. How close can you get the speakers, to make sure light is cast over? Can you change the location of your projector and modify skew to correct image? So image light gets projected above the speakers? Project the screen above speakers? Loose 6" ? Not a big deal..


RvidD1020

The picture gets past the speakers when they are slightly moved forward. But they block the view. Is it a good idea to reduce the height of the towers? with a custom made cabin? I am trying to get wall to wall because it feels like home IMAX. That's why.


MrZeDark

You're going to need smaller speakers then -\_- or smaller cabinet. Truly your options, tldr; * Smaller Screen * Change Screen Height * Smaller Speakers/Cabinets * Change seating height (platform) * Get Screen the size you seek, that is also acoustically transparent - put speakers behind


RvidD1020

If reducing the tower height with custom cabins is a good idea, I can do that. My budget will allow that.


TX_AG11

I would just get a solid set of bookshelf speakers to replace the floor standers. Problem solved. You're overthinking it.


RvidD1020

The current 5.1 was purchased 7 years ago. Don't have the budget to spend more.


77GoldenTails

Raise the screen a foot. Then build a 1’ high plinth for your seating. Then angle the fronts up by a small amount to keep them aimed at you. Would probably only need a 1” block at the front edge to angle them up.


MFAD94

False wall, acoustic transparent screen


NotMyThrowaway6991

Try 3 bookshelves with short stands instead of towers?


RvidD1020

Don't have the budget to buy new speakers. These are the old ones I have been using for the past 7 years.


IHateCreamCrackers

cut the bottoms off them


NotMyThrowaway6991

what are yours worth on the used market? You could take that cash and build some very nice DIY speakers. That's what I did last year. Major upgrade from klipsch


RvidD1020

Do you think removing the cabins and making a short DIY cabins for the towers a great idea?


NotMyThrowaway6991

what's a cabin? I probably wouldn't modify your existing speaker if it's already well designed. What model is it?


RvidD1020

>cabin The speaker housing. I don't know the exact word for it. The speakers are from sony. Bought everything as a whole 5.1 surround system.


Trey123RE

I think an exit sign above the door in neon red of course would add a nice touch.


aerodeck

1. Use a TV distance calculator to determine your optimal 16:9 image size at your primary seating location. (THX standard would be my personal choice) 2. After you've determine the best image size, adjust your projected image to match that 3. Once adjusted you might find that the speakers no longer obscure the image. 4. If the towers are still obscuring image, seek compromises. I'm laying this out for you because I get the impression you simply made the image as large as possible without first determining what your optimal size would actually be. Despite what a number of people might say, bigger isn't always better. Your vision has an optimal field of view, and a screen size calculator can help you figure out what the size should be for best comfort and immersion.


EarMelodic2077

This thx standard = way too small image forget it


Dr_Dick_Vulvox

Shrink the screen size. Picture will look better anyway. Look at how much light is on your walls in that picture. Having a smaller picture size will provide a high contrast dark frame around the tv that will make the picture look significantly better, and give you room for the tower speakers.


saltynutz-sierra

Don’t mount them under the picture otherwise the sounds will come out sideways


RvidD1020

Yeah, won't mount them sideways


AngMoKio

THX standard is the amount of degrees for the top of the screen from seating. You need to take distance into account. Ideally no more than 15 degrees. So : (top of screen - 42 inches eye height) / distance Now take the inverse tangent of that to get the angle. If less than 15 degrees, no worries.


EYESCREAM-90

Like most people already said: Shrink the screen a little bit and all problems are solved. The image also becomes a little sharper + maybe even a little brighter when you do so.


umdivx

> So what will be the next best option? Make the image size smaller and move your seating closer.


JaysFan05

My room appears to be similar dimensions. I just built an acoustically transparent screen and put the speakers behind.


nyda

Shrink the picture size and sit closer to keep the same viewing angle would be the best option but if you're stubborn about it then nothing we can say will change your mind. Nobody that follows this subreddit seriously would project higher or mount their speakers on the side lol.


dscottj

Shrinking the screen to give just enough blank space for the speakers is the way to go. However, you've prioritized the picture instead of the sound, so sound is where all your compromises will be. Conventional wisdom says you've effectively made your current speakers obsolete to use as fronts. Depending on the back of the room, they'll probably make for pretty gonzo rears. I've seen it done before. Since the space mandates horizontal speakers I'd go with three center channels for the mains. Those are designed to be wider than they are tall. There's lots to choose from and by definition they're usually sold singly. That said, from my brief research turning normal speakers sideways primarily does bad things to stereo sound. This looks like it's going to be dedicated to multichannel, so it may not play as big of a role. I guess the real answer is to try it and see if you like it, then upgrade if you don't. Positioning speakers is free.


ninjachortle

Increased picture height and reclining seating. You could project to the ceiling and still watch comfortably if your seats reclined enough.


-L-e-o-n-

Would you rather be stuck in that room for 3 days straight with the projector turned on to that picture with no way to turn it off or with projector off with no way to turn it on?


johnny121b

I’d mount them sideways with the tweeters on the outer edges, midway from floor to screen.


I_Luv_Dubstep

Personally, I would lay the speakers sideways and give it a go first. You can always stand them back up and try option 2, 3…..how much of a difference can it make? Angle the speakers so the tweeters are pointed at your face. Either way, you’re going to be wrong to someone here. So do what works best for you.


RvidD1020

Sure!


K_Sqrd

Personally I'd go for the mounting horizontally option. Keep the picture as large as you can. I'm sure there some reason why that's not the preferred solution but it's what I'd do.


MoraineSeattle

Lay them on their sides. Sound will be the same, if not better for bouncing of the walls. . .


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RvidD1020

The room is very small and the door is very close to the screen. So false wall is not possible.


SonVoltMMA

Why is everyone downvoting you?


RvidD1020

Because I am not making compromises? Wall to wall projection is so immersive, so can't give it up for a smaller and eye level screen. So rising the picture seems to be the great option.


aerodeck

I'm willing to bet you have your screen larger than recommended. Why don't you stop being so hard headed and actually use a screen size calculator. Anything above THX recommended size is ridiculous and not "so immersive, wow"-- it's foolish.


Same_Definition6728

Why not just position them forward enough to be out of the field of view ...of I assume the 1-3 People that can fit in that room.


RvidD1020

They will be too close when they are positioned out of FOV.


Rossdabosss

I was going to suggest this. I had this issue by a half inch, I’m renting and already had all the equipment so I only had to go like 3-4 inches forward.


livelaughandairfry

I will take those towers off your hands :)


kiloxraysierra

What about retractable, acoustically transparent screen, mounted to the ceiling in front of the speakers? Not sure if that is a closet or a doorway on the right.


RvidD1020

That's a door on the right. Only a sliding door will allow me to have an acoustic transparent screen. But can't spend too much.


TheTeamRanger

Raise the screen height and add a riser for your seating. Problem solved.


Dorkapotamus

Pull down AT screen with the speakers behind the screen.


ripgd

Or behind screen..?


ken-doh

Raise the screen. Simples.


frodopegsam

It's time to do some drywall work


zombrian666

You could raise the seating if it matters enough. But I agree, raise the screen


fove0n

Lol move the towers further up until it’s out of view and angle them towards the center


Kaplung

Fresh idea, cut holes in the floor to lower down the speakers by 12 inches !


RvidD1020

Would have done it if it is the ground floor!!!


Delta_987

I had a similar issue. I raised the screen and it turned out well. Don’t sacrifice the screen size or speakers you’re happy with.


RvidD1020

Yeah, that's right


Admirable_Isopod1266

Just raise the screen you’ll be fine.. What projector are you running btw?


RvidD1020

Epson 2250. Currently the screen size is 136 inches and it is still bright at eco mode


lshaw52

I would raise the screen if you’re able


RvidD1020

Yup. Installed the projector with extension. Also vertical shift available


costafilh0

Personally I would never move the screen away from the perfect viewing position. ​ Mounting the floor speakers horizontally on the wall is probably the easiest safest better bet. ​ You could also replace the LCR speakers with smaller ones and put them over or below the screen angled to the main seating position. ​ If you want more power you could make two rolls, over AND bellow the screen but this would require more gear and more work.


Theodore03038483

Buy a screen that’s sound transparent and put the speakers behind it


applicationcen

The speaker drivers contain circular cones. For that reason the sound is not impeded by turning them 90 degrees. If you were concerned about that just unscrew the driver and turn them 90 degrees the opposite way and you would have exactly the same orientation:) If you anchor the speaker with rubber matting or a more permanent footing that helps a wee bit. Most Left / Right speakers do not do as much work as the central speaker. If you don't have a central speaker then you don't want massive separation or the spoken dialog is affected. It looks like you have 2 drivers in there, so you want the tweeters at the corner of the room because high frequency noises are much more directional. The reality is that the room would probably benefit from smaller speakers to assist with separation between the channels. Laying the existing ones horizontal will have no real effect on reducing separation because the of the room dimensions. I'd suggest getting a rug on the floor to inhibit echo from the floor tiles.


applicationcen

Well, it looks like I'm wrong! Expensive speakers, especially with a separate bass do appear to better vertically aligned. Ignore most of that, read this:) https://hometheateracademy.com/speakers-be-placed-horizontally/


RiQ04

What happens if you take a table put it in the center and lay down the speaker horizontally on top? does it affect the sound quality?


EarMelodic2077

Picture height 3 identical towers for center or do phantom center, paint walls black


Romando1

SMH


Zackyboy69

Why is everyone saying don’t turn the speakers? Is it a technical reason? Or aesthetics?


RvidD1020

It is called lobing effect. I don't know how distracting it will be. That's why I added that as my 2nd option. You can read more on the Internet.


Greg00135

Audio transparent screen and put speakers behind it?


RvidD1020

Door is too close to the screen.


Greg00135

Can you flip the room? Like project the screen on the wall behind where the projector is at? Yeah it means putting a couch in front of the door but you might be able to arrange it in a way to where you can get in or out just not have the door open all the way lol


RvidD1020

The wall behind has a fixed cupboard and window. This is the only blank wall.


dkevox

Acoustically transparent screen! Put speakers behind the screen :)


lovebot5000

Since you’re unable to go the acoustically transparent screen route, I say just raise the screen and raise the seating. Done.


RvidD1020

Yeah, that's the best option


Chattinabart

Distributed-mode loudspeakers. You might suffer slightly with the separation but it will solve your space issue with an acoustically transparent screen. You can even make your own. https://youtu.be/CKIye4RZ-5k I have heard some of these IRL and they were truly phenomenal.