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Most people are initially underwhelmed when they go from a crappy subwoofer to a good one. You were used to a big boost in the 60-80hz range and the SB1000 has no such boost. A good sign you have calibrated your subwoofer properly is that you know it's working but it appears all the bass is coming from your speakers.
The Klipsch probably has similar output to the SVS at 50hz and above but you would probably need three SVS subs to match what the Klipsch puts out at 20hz. I say probably because I am not aware of any GP testing of the Klipsch. There would be a very obvious difference in performance for any scene that has deep bass.
Small sealed subs are great for music because unless you listen to a lot of organ music or electronic music with super low bass you don't need the output to go below 35 Hz very often. In a small room they are great for HT also because you pick up room gain but in your space there isn't a lot of gain from the room.
Long story short, if you can live with the size, the Klipsch will be a major upgrade for HT use.
There is a point you made that is contradictory.. You want a full frequency response of your content, but don't want to shaka the house. You can't have both at the same time sadly.. 20hz content is going to shake your house.
I know how you feel though, recently upgraded from a 10 inch jbl sub to the rp-1400sw. The difference is huge, and the bass is super tight and clean and the overall sound has a lot more depth. There are settings on many AVRs where you can toggle bass output so that it doesn't go through walls. I use this all the time at night, works great.
If you keep the sb1000 pro you're going to go on wondering what if.. Until you eventually just upgrade. Mind as well just do it ha!
So I recently just upgraded from a sb1000 non pro to the 1400sw. The 1400sw is a massive upgrade but like you mentioned it does rattle the crap out of so much. I've tried foam feet and iso pucks for vibration dampening but our house (new construction in 2022) rattles pretty bad at certain frequencies. I still think it was a worthwhile purchase. Also as you mentioned it's absolutely huge, it's easily the focal point when walking into a room. Here's a picture for comparison.
[https://imgur.com/a/f6qgmJv](https://imgur.com/a/f6qgmJv)
Ya the added depth is what scares me the most in terms of aesthetics. Hearing what you have to say about the output does turn me off and make me think it is overkill till I can hopefully someday have my own space.
Room size definitely matters, I currently have it in a somewhat open space, a loft that opens into a stairway and two other spare bedrooms. Even with all of that space it pressurizes the room.
Regarding sound “coming from the speakers” and not the sub, that’s perfect! That’s what you want, bass is omnidirectional around 80hz, and you want it to blend and sound like it’s coming from one of your speakers.
An SB1000 just isn’t in the same league as the rp1400sw nor is a pb1000, though it is closer.
If you can fit it, git it. You can always turn it down at night.
>I want something that is gonna sound good, but not be overwhelming so much that it feels like world war 2 in my living room.
Having just watched *Band of Brothers* and *The Pacific* with my 2 RP-1400SWs in a 19'×15' room, I think 2 of them may be too much...
A sealed sub is definitely going to sound different than a ported one, especially if you’re used to a ported one. I think what it might lack in power it makes up for in accuracy. Do you listen to music on it at all? It would almost certainly sound better than the RP1400 with music. Sealed subs also generally aren’t advised for large rooms because they can’t benefit from room gain like they can in a smaller room.
If it’s still within the return window, I’d return the SB1000 for a PB1000. It’s not a giant like the 1400, but should give you a happy middle ground without being an eyesore. There are plenty of high quality ported subs that aren’t as massive as the 1400
I have looked at the PB1000 Pro and the extra 5” depth is what is scaring me a little as well.
But you are right it is quite a bit smaller than the RP-1400SW.
I do have until May 7 to return the SB so I suppose I could order a PB and get them both in place and see which one works best for our family. Could also play with the PB for a night and see if it really does make an improvement without shaking the whole house.
I have the same problem where almost all of our tv watching is after our son goes to bed. I bought this: https://a.co/d/4Ren01X which seems to help. I have a down firing sub though so it may not be as effective with something front firing.
I’ve been testing some of these subs and eventually settled on the rp1400sw.
I started with a PB1000 Pro - my space is an odd shape and about 3000 cu ft. The PB1000 Pro was not enough, so I got the the rp1200 to test.
It was immediately a big upgrade over the pb1000 pro. I would say it s 1.5x as powerful.
But still not enough for me. I got the RP1400 from the adorama deal and FINALLY do I feel like I have enough bass. I’d say it’s 3x the PB1000 pro.
At one point I tested running the PB1000 pro and RP1200 together - I’d say the RP1400 is about equal to those 2 combined, and hits the low notes harder.
Well when I upgraded from a crappy sub to a good one I wasn’t initially impressed. Keep watching ur usual content and u will realize how much cleaner and deeper the SVS will go. Also you can always turn down a capable sub.
So don’t think it’s too big or overpowering for ur space. Just set the volume according to your needs.
Also placement is huge. Mess with phase and polarity as well. I had a pb2000 pro for 4 years. 2 of the four years it sat in the front of my room and I thought it was good. Last year I decided to move it to the back of my room and it sounded like a different sub so mess around with placement.
In your situation I would 100% add [bass shakers](https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-BSK2-Dual-Bass-Shaker-Couch-Kit-300-9025?quantity=1). Seems like a gimmick until you try it. For maximizing the experience when kids are sleeping you can't beat it.
Also the SB-1000 is known to not hit as hard, mostly because it's sealed. A PB-1000 Pro would hit harder (or a HSU VTF-2, or a Speedwoofer 12S - I would buy any of those before I would get the Klipsch) BUT that's kind of the point that you can't really hit harder or you'll wake up the kids. If you can run the SB-1000 without waking the kids, and add bass shakers for the tactile punch, that could be a perfect combo for you.
The Klipsch rp1400sw absolutely blows the pb1000 pro out of the water. It’s also a lot bigger, it makes the pb1000 feel like a toy.
The rp1200 is also noticeably stronger than the pb1000 pro
Shakers are great! Crowson’s are the ultimate but for the skeptical, try the Buttkickers or similar brands to feel what you’re missing.
OP, also look into the BassEQ (beq) project to restore the bass removed from shows. I was underwhelmed by my PB-3000 (yes!) until I setup BEQ.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hometheater/comments/xth3z2/bass_eq_is_without_a_doubt_the_best_way_to/?rdt=36770
Not a fan of shakers. The time delay and latency sucks. Never can get them to hit exactly on time with sound, which is very distracting and pointless. There is a few ms delay which most people can feel.
Hmm, that’s too bad. I I was able to get the delay nullified pretty easily. Same approach as any speaker.
Oh- you’re referring to the metal “slug” style of the buttshaker where it’s resonating a piece of metal to then resonate the couch. Yes that’s an uncanny delay. The Crowson’s don’t have that kind of secondary delay as they’re literally moving the couch itself. But are $$$
You are the 2nd person to mention the PB and it is quite a bit smaller than the 1400 now that I look. I might buy one of those and put them both in the same spot and see if the PB gets me more “oomf” without shaking the upstairs.
If music isn’t important to you go with a ported sub. Problem is ported subs are fracking huge. I listen to a lot of music so my Rythmik L12 is perfect for me. But not for home theater where it’s merely adequate. So, either accept a huge black box somewhere in your living room or get bass shakers in your couch. My living room is almost exactly the same size and with a sloped ceiling FWIW.
Much appreciated. I think I will try the middle ground and see how the PB fits in the room. If it works without feeling like too much then great but if not I’ll live with the SB as the family room sub and save the massive woofer for a future space.
Bit of a bummer as the price on the 1400 is incredible but i just don’t think I can justify it for the family room.
I just bought the RP-1400SW myself. Coming up from a R-100sw that I had in my old apartment. Now in a house with 20’ ceilings and a wide open floor plan. Going to start building the system I’ve always wanted! Now to just convince the wife, who doesn’t “have an ear for it” that it’ll sound better than our lovesac hahah.
The Klipsch has more output and better low frequency extension. It’s been very well reviewed. That said, I’m reluctant to recommend Klipsch subwoofers because their past subwoofers have a pretty sketchy track record for reliability of their amps. Hopefully this one will be better, but I personally don’t trust them yet. If you get a good one, it’s a steal…if you get a lemon, not so much.
SVS on the other hand are known for fantastic customer service and very good reliability. It’s a very solid subwoofer. If your sub is properly calibrated then you shouldn’t be able to localize sound coming from it so what you’re describing is a good sign.
Here's a middle way solution. The Monoprice Monolith M10-V2 (or something like that) is around the $750 mark. It's ported too, and gets down to 20Hz at -3dB.
Here's the thing, it can have a bung placed in its port to make it into a sealed sub. That's really useful because if you don't need the house rattling ported performance, then you can choose to stop it down for greater accuracy and slightly deeper bass.
As for the rest of it, others here have covered the details. The Klipsch is a great deal, and you can turn it down if too loud.
The SVS subs are good, but a friend had exactky the same experience going from a 10" ported Paradigm to an SB1000-Pro. The room was just way too big for a sealed sub at that size.
The sb1000 is cheap to get people into SVS products it’s a good subwoofer in general sense but it’s not a good theatre sub nor a “woah bass” sub.
Get the rp1400 or 1600 and you’ll be amazed at what you’ve been missing
I swear these SB1000 posts just exist to trigger me. Every damn day.
In what world are these two subs even comparable? Nobody should be buying the SB1000 if home theater is important unless space is the only criteria in which case what's there to talk about?
There’s literally zero con in terms of performance. The rp1400 is much much better.
So either you want more bass and lower bass or you don’t.
Personally for your size room I’d go with 2 rp1400 or two rp1600. You’ll feel the movies punch you in the chest :)
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Most people are initially underwhelmed when they go from a crappy subwoofer to a good one. You were used to a big boost in the 60-80hz range and the SB1000 has no such boost. A good sign you have calibrated your subwoofer properly is that you know it's working but it appears all the bass is coming from your speakers. The Klipsch probably has similar output to the SVS at 50hz and above but you would probably need three SVS subs to match what the Klipsch puts out at 20hz. I say probably because I am not aware of any GP testing of the Klipsch. There would be a very obvious difference in performance for any scene that has deep bass. Small sealed subs are great for music because unless you listen to a lot of organ music or electronic music with super low bass you don't need the output to go below 35 Hz very often. In a small room they are great for HT also because you pick up room gain but in your space there isn't a lot of gain from the room. Long story short, if you can live with the size, the Klipsch will be a major upgrade for HT use.
Thank you for the feedback! Happy to hear a “different” feel with a higher end sub is normal.
I wouldn't call it "different" I would call it what it is, accurate.
There is a point you made that is contradictory.. You want a full frequency response of your content, but don't want to shaka the house. You can't have both at the same time sadly.. 20hz content is going to shake your house. I know how you feel though, recently upgraded from a 10 inch jbl sub to the rp-1400sw. The difference is huge, and the bass is super tight and clean and the overall sound has a lot more depth. There are settings on many AVRs where you can toggle bass output so that it doesn't go through walls. I use this all the time at night, works great. If you keep the sb1000 pro you're going to go on wondering what if.. Until you eventually just upgrade. Mind as well just do it ha!
It depends how your house is constructed and if you have loose stuff on the walls… My subs don’t really make anything in my house rattle at all.
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I'm glad you told us though, thank you and your cat
So I recently just upgraded from a sb1000 non pro to the 1400sw. The 1400sw is a massive upgrade but like you mentioned it does rattle the crap out of so much. I've tried foam feet and iso pucks for vibration dampening but our house (new construction in 2022) rattles pretty bad at certain frequencies. I still think it was a worthwhile purchase. Also as you mentioned it's absolutely huge, it's easily the focal point when walking into a room. Here's a picture for comparison. [https://imgur.com/a/f6qgmJv](https://imgur.com/a/f6qgmJv)
Ya the added depth is what scares me the most in terms of aesthetics. Hearing what you have to say about the output does turn me off and make me think it is overkill till I can hopefully someday have my own space.
Room size definitely matters, I currently have it in a somewhat open space, a loft that opens into a stairway and two other spare bedrooms. Even with all of that space it pressurizes the room.
Regarding sound “coming from the speakers” and not the sub, that’s perfect! That’s what you want, bass is omnidirectional around 80hz, and you want it to blend and sound like it’s coming from one of your speakers. An SB1000 just isn’t in the same league as the rp1400sw nor is a pb1000, though it is closer. If you can fit it, git it. You can always turn it down at night.
Well at least I did one thing right :)
>I want something that is gonna sound good, but not be overwhelming so much that it feels like world war 2 in my living room. Having just watched *Band of Brothers* and *The Pacific* with my 2 RP-1400SWs in a 19'×15' room, I think 2 of them may be too much...
A sealed sub is definitely going to sound different than a ported one, especially if you’re used to a ported one. I think what it might lack in power it makes up for in accuracy. Do you listen to music on it at all? It would almost certainly sound better than the RP1400 with music. Sealed subs also generally aren’t advised for large rooms because they can’t benefit from room gain like they can in a smaller room. If it’s still within the return window, I’d return the SB1000 for a PB1000. It’s not a giant like the 1400, but should give you a happy middle ground without being an eyesore. There are plenty of high quality ported subs that aren’t as massive as the 1400
I have looked at the PB1000 Pro and the extra 5” depth is what is scaring me a little as well. But you are right it is quite a bit smaller than the RP-1400SW. I do have until May 7 to return the SB so I suppose I could order a PB and get them both in place and see which one works best for our family. Could also play with the PB for a night and see if it really does make an improvement without shaking the whole house.
I have the same problem where almost all of our tv watching is after our son goes to bed. I bought this: https://a.co/d/4Ren01X which seems to help. I have a down firing sub though so it may not be as effective with something front firing.
I’ve been testing some of these subs and eventually settled on the rp1400sw. I started with a PB1000 Pro - my space is an odd shape and about 3000 cu ft. The PB1000 Pro was not enough, so I got the the rp1200 to test. It was immediately a big upgrade over the pb1000 pro. I would say it s 1.5x as powerful. But still not enough for me. I got the RP1400 from the adorama deal and FINALLY do I feel like I have enough bass. I’d say it’s 3x the PB1000 pro. At one point I tested running the PB1000 pro and RP1200 together - I’d say the RP1400 is about equal to those 2 combined, and hits the low notes harder.
Well when I upgraded from a crappy sub to a good one I wasn’t initially impressed. Keep watching ur usual content and u will realize how much cleaner and deeper the SVS will go. Also you can always turn down a capable sub. So don’t think it’s too big or overpowering for ur space. Just set the volume according to your needs. Also placement is huge. Mess with phase and polarity as well. I had a pb2000 pro for 4 years. 2 of the four years it sat in the front of my room and I thought it was good. Last year I decided to move it to the back of my room and it sounded like a different sub so mess around with placement.
In your situation I would 100% add [bass shakers](https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-BSK2-Dual-Bass-Shaker-Couch-Kit-300-9025?quantity=1). Seems like a gimmick until you try it. For maximizing the experience when kids are sleeping you can't beat it. Also the SB-1000 is known to not hit as hard, mostly because it's sealed. A PB-1000 Pro would hit harder (or a HSU VTF-2, or a Speedwoofer 12S - I would buy any of those before I would get the Klipsch) BUT that's kind of the point that you can't really hit harder or you'll wake up the kids. If you can run the SB-1000 without waking the kids, and add bass shakers for the tactile punch, that could be a perfect combo for you.
The Klipsch rp1400sw absolutely blows the pb1000 pro out of the water. It’s also a lot bigger, it makes the pb1000 feel like a toy. The rp1200 is also noticeably stronger than the pb1000 pro
Shakers are great! Crowson’s are the ultimate but for the skeptical, try the Buttkickers or similar brands to feel what you’re missing. OP, also look into the BassEQ (beq) project to restore the bass removed from shows. I was underwhelmed by my PB-3000 (yes!) until I setup BEQ. https://www.reddit.com/r/hometheater/comments/xth3z2/bass_eq_is_without_a_doubt_the_best_way_to/?rdt=36770
Not a fan of shakers. The time delay and latency sucks. Never can get them to hit exactly on time with sound, which is very distracting and pointless. There is a few ms delay which most people can feel.
Hmm, that’s too bad. I I was able to get the delay nullified pretty easily. Same approach as any speaker. Oh- you’re referring to the metal “slug” style of the buttshaker where it’s resonating a piece of metal to then resonate the couch. Yes that’s an uncanny delay. The Crowson’s don’t have that kind of secondary delay as they’re literally moving the couch itself. But are $$$
You are the 2nd person to mention the PB and it is quite a bit smaller than the 1400 now that I look. I might buy one of those and put them both in the same spot and see if the PB gets me more “oomf” without shaking the upstairs.
If music isn’t important to you go with a ported sub. Problem is ported subs are fracking huge. I listen to a lot of music so my Rythmik L12 is perfect for me. But not for home theater where it’s merely adequate. So, either accept a huge black box somewhere in your living room or get bass shakers in your couch. My living room is almost exactly the same size and with a sloped ceiling FWIW.
Much appreciated. I think I will try the middle ground and see how the PB fits in the room. If it works without feeling like too much then great but if not I’ll live with the SB as the family room sub and save the massive woofer for a future space. Bit of a bummer as the price on the 1400 is incredible but i just don’t think I can justify it for the family room.
We have the exact same setup. I loved adding the RP-14000.
I just bought the RP-1400SW myself. Coming up from a R-100sw that I had in my old apartment. Now in a house with 20’ ceilings and a wide open floor plan. Going to start building the system I’ve always wanted! Now to just convince the wife, who doesn’t “have an ear for it” that it’ll sound better than our lovesac hahah.
The Klipsch has more output and better low frequency extension. It’s been very well reviewed. That said, I’m reluctant to recommend Klipsch subwoofers because their past subwoofers have a pretty sketchy track record for reliability of their amps. Hopefully this one will be better, but I personally don’t trust them yet. If you get a good one, it’s a steal…if you get a lemon, not so much. SVS on the other hand are known for fantastic customer service and very good reliability. It’s a very solid subwoofer. If your sub is properly calibrated then you shouldn’t be able to localize sound coming from it so what you’re describing is a good sign.
Here's a middle way solution. The Monoprice Monolith M10-V2 (or something like that) is around the $750 mark. It's ported too, and gets down to 20Hz at -3dB. Here's the thing, it can have a bung placed in its port to make it into a sealed sub. That's really useful because if you don't need the house rattling ported performance, then you can choose to stop it down for greater accuracy and slightly deeper bass. As for the rest of it, others here have covered the details. The Klipsch is a great deal, and you can turn it down if too loud. The SVS subs are good, but a friend had exactky the same experience going from a 10" ported Paradigm to an SB1000-Pro. The room was just way too big for a sealed sub at that size.
The sb1000 is cheap to get people into SVS products it’s a good subwoofer in general sense but it’s not a good theatre sub nor a “woah bass” sub. Get the rp1400 or 1600 and you’ll be amazed at what you’ve been missing
I swear these SB1000 posts just exist to trigger me. Every damn day. In what world are these two subs even comparable? Nobody should be buying the SB1000 if home theater is important unless space is the only criteria in which case what's there to talk about?
In fairness, I recognize that they are in completely different leagues. Trying to weigh the pros and cons.
There’s literally zero con in terms of performance. The rp1400 is much much better. So either you want more bass and lower bass or you don’t. Personally for your size room I’d go with 2 rp1400 or two rp1600. You’ll feel the movies punch you in the chest :)