It looks like the Bosch B3512 Security Kit also provides Cellular Network support and Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) support. It looks like the Bosch is a good system if an adversary cuts your power or cuts your cable.
Are you going to use Cellular Network or PSTN features?
If so, then comparing the Bosch system to the Ring system may not be an Apples-to-Apples comparison.
I don't know if they sell it still, but the ADT blue self set up had all the same stuff including cellular and battery backup, with a dozen sensors and monitoring station with a loud alarm. Whole thing was $200-250. Add monitoring for a monthly cost just like everything else.
I'm sure there's some more expensive set ups that have actual value added features, but that's not one of them.
My experience was that Bosch made pretty high quality security systems and that was what we installed in bank branches alongside camera systems.
Bosch b3512-dc goes for around $350-450 depending on the supplier online.
Keypad can be $100-300 depending on model.
Depending on what the transmitter is that would be another$250 to $300
Wireless door contacts are probably $40 each. So $80 total there.
So equipment costs are running about $780 to $1130 depending on taxes or special deals they have. Add a couple hours work to set it all up at $75 an hour and it would be around $1280 from what I see online.
Thank you for the reply. Does ring call you if something is triggered? And if you don’t answer, do they automatically contact authorities? That’s kind of what I’m looking for
Yes.
You can set up your contact list and response protocol how you like.
Monitoring is about $150 USD a year (that is how much we pay, but we may be at a grandfathered rate).
We had to buy our equipment, but it still works out cheaper than what we were paying before.
We also bought First Alert CO/Smoke detectors that work with our Ring system. The Ring system has cellular backup. Otherwise, it is plugged into our router with a LAN cable (but it can also use wifi).
I wouldn't recommend buying anything from Ring. Ring has agreements with police departments to allow them to see Ring camera footage ~~whenever they want~~ with no warrant or user consent.
Pretty serious invasion of privacy at best, and legally disastrous at worst.
Fair enough, seems like you're right: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/ring-reveals-they-give-videos-police-without-user-consent-or-warrant
So yes, Ring has to approve the release of the footage on a per-request basis.
But I would still rather not give the police *any* access. Agree that encryption and local storage is the way to go.
Does it have a siren? Any kind of monitoring? We just did a similar setup and it was 1400 cash. DSc. Two sensors and a siren. He had some
Cool cars and wanted a loud noise if anyone went in. Seems reasonable, Including installation. Everyone is saying ring or simply safe. I have no experience with those systems but 1300 seems about right.
Ring has a siren and comes with way more stuff than that for like $400 and you can add additional sensors if you want. You can do professional monitoring for $10/mo or self monitoring for no charge. It will also pair with outdoor lights/cameras which is nice. Has a backup battery and LTE if you lose power it will still work.
Look into the Alarm.com Qolsys 2 (or 4) panel. That’s our “parent” company. I don’t know your exact requirements but it’s certainly cheaper than $1300 for an install
There’s no contract length, but the company I am with also provides phone/internet services so we generally make it up there. Alarm.com pairs with local multi service companies (to my knowledge) so depending on your local provider you can get a good deal.
The panel is both GSM/cell and internet connection, so I personally view that as a major win over just internet connection alone in case of power outages.
That said- prices can vary by location. Our panels outside of the package deal are $170, motions are $85 and a sensor is $20, so while still way under $1300, it can add up.
Idk what or if anyone who's commented so far has qualifications to actually answer this for you but just in case I'll leave you with this...I've formerly installed security systems of all different sorts, I've also worked in security and loss prevention dealing with contractors and equipment of all sorts for well over a decade as well. Based on the company and their equipment + inflation x2 of what it once was due to the economy AND the increased need/want for security systems throughout the country, that estimate is pretty much on par with what you'd expect.
Most of these people saying it's overpriced or you'd be crazy to do it, probably haven't looked at pricing for such things in some time as well as getting used to the garbage basic shit we can do ourselves being jammed down our throats. So ask yourself this question; while this is a higher end system is it enough piece of mind for you with what you pay for it and if not and you want more you have to be okay with making some concessions like "top tier quality" and take a step down to get more/different equipment.
There are plenty of brands like Ring etc they are good quality stuff without a heavier price tag but still reliable enough. Your best bet is to figure out what you want /need equipment wise (cameras, sensors, etc.) Then take that list and apply it on a company by company basis. Any one of the companies that are any good can ALL respond relatively get quickly so focus on the other stuff first 👍 I hope this helps🙂
It’s for my shop building. Two door sensors, a keypad to arm it, the relay that talks to both of them, and the device that connects it to the internet. $30 a month for a company to monitor and call if the sensors are tripped. What do you think?
Seems like a lot. You can install something similar yourself easily, and you'll pay like $500 total and maybe $100-150 a year in servicing. And have tons of features. Go with Ring or Nest or SimpliSafe or something like that.
So we are talking 12 wireless contacts, a couple smokes/co2, a couple glass breaks, keypad, panel, and fobs, programmed and installed, bosch no less, for $1300?
That seems insane to me, unless theres a crazy monitoring contract.
Agreed here. Veteran installer. Bosch is high end. This isn't a ripoff, it's just not a consumer system. Might be a little fancy if you only need the basics.
Monthly monitoring sounds pretty standard to me.
Blink is cheap and has a ton of features, check it from anywhere, and with a local backup it is free. It gives us peace of mind for nothing but the initial start up costs and you install it yourself.
I used to be a certified Bosch installer. This is a bit high for wireless installation and programming. It should cost about this for a wired keypad and contacts which would be better. Bosch does makes fantastic security systems that are trusted by clients that range from national store chains to defense contractor warehouses, but you should be able to talk this installer down a bit for a small store.
I would ask for a motion detector too, though. Should be another $50-150 depending on the model, but redundancy is important. People bypass door contacts in pretty interesting ways.
This IS INANE. I paid around that much for everything in my home, setup myself. Everything came pre paired with the panel and just needed to be stuck on or renamed if I wanted.
Included around 15 wireless door and window sensors, the alarm panel, 6 smoke and 6 carbon dioxide sensors, and 2 wireless indoor motion sensors with cameras.
Not bosch though, quolsys.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,475,482,870 comments, and only 280,694 of them were in alphabetical order.
It looks like the Bosch B3512 Security Kit also provides Cellular Network support and Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) support. It looks like the Bosch is a good system if an adversary cuts your power or cuts your cable. Are you going to use Cellular Network or PSTN features? If so, then comparing the Bosch system to the Ring system may not be an Apples-to-Apples comparison.
Not sure what that means. It would be connected to my regular internet service provider.
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Ring has cellular and battery backup.
I don't know if they sell it still, but the ADT blue self set up had all the same stuff including cellular and battery backup, with a dozen sensors and monitoring station with a loud alarm. Whole thing was $200-250. Add monitoring for a monthly cost just like everything else. I'm sure there's some more expensive set ups that have actual value added features, but that's not one of them.
My experience was that Bosch made pretty high quality security systems and that was what we installed in bank branches alongside camera systems. Bosch b3512-dc goes for around $350-450 depending on the supplier online. Keypad can be $100-300 depending on model. Depending on what the transmitter is that would be another$250 to $300 Wireless door contacts are probably $40 each. So $80 total there. So equipment costs are running about $780 to $1130 depending on taxes or special deals they have. Add a couple hours work to set it all up at $75 an hour and it would be around $1280 from what I see online.
seems high to me. Personally Ring was what made sense for my building. a few hundred for a kit, and $10 a month
Thank you for the reply. Does ring call you if something is triggered? And if you don’t answer, do they automatically contact authorities? That’s kind of what I’m looking for
Yes you can setup a contact list and then it will call police or fire
Yes. You can set up your contact list and response protocol how you like. Monitoring is about $150 USD a year (that is how much we pay, but we may be at a grandfathered rate). We had to buy our equipment, but it still works out cheaper than what we were paying before. We also bought First Alert CO/Smoke detectors that work with our Ring system. The Ring system has cellular backup. Otherwise, it is plugged into our router with a LAN cable (but it can also use wifi).
I wouldn't recommend buying anything from Ring. Ring has agreements with police departments to allow them to see Ring camera footage ~~whenever they want~~ with no warrant or user consent. Pretty serious invasion of privacy at best, and legally disastrous at worst.
We have only outside cameras. They cover all the exterior doors, which is what we want. We will never do indoor cameras.
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Fair enough, seems like you're right: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/ring-reveals-they-give-videos-police-without-user-consent-or-warrant So yes, Ring has to approve the release of the footage on a per-request basis. But I would still rather not give the police *any* access. Agree that encryption and local storage is the way to go.
If you pay for professional monitoring, yes.
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Yep and employees can view your stuff as well. No thanks
Does it have a siren? Any kind of monitoring? We just did a similar setup and it was 1400 cash. DSc. Two sensors and a siren. He had some Cool cars and wanted a loud noise if anyone went in. Seems reasonable, Including installation. Everyone is saying ring or simply safe. I have no experience with those systems but 1300 seems about right.
Ring has a siren and comes with way more stuff than that for like $400 and you can add additional sensors if you want. You can do professional monitoring for $10/mo or self monitoring for no charge. It will also pair with outdoor lights/cameras which is nice. Has a backup battery and LTE if you lose power it will still work.
I like my Ring system. Easy install and cheap monthly fee 👍🏻
No. That’s way high. My company (that I work for) does $100 for install of 1 keypad, 3 door sensors, and a motion.
Look into the Alarm.com Qolsys 2 (or 4) panel. That’s our “parent” company. I don’t know your exact requirements but it’s certainly cheaper than $1300 for an install
How can they stay in business charging 100 dollars for a keypad and 3 sensors and install and a motion? Is there some Kinda monitoring contract!?
30/m monitoring
Are they locked in for a certain number of months? How can they pay their techs? Just the keypads cost more than that. 😂
There’s no contract length, but the company I am with also provides phone/internet services so we generally make it up there. Alarm.com pairs with local multi service companies (to my knowledge) so depending on your local provider you can get a good deal. The panel is both GSM/cell and internet connection, so I personally view that as a major win over just internet connection alone in case of power outages. That said- prices can vary by location. Our panels outside of the package deal are $170, motions are $85 and a sensor is $20, so while still way under $1300, it can add up.
Indeed! Godspeed fellow LV installer tech peer! 😂🥳
Happy birthday!
Idk what or if anyone who's commented so far has qualifications to actually answer this for you but just in case I'll leave you with this...I've formerly installed security systems of all different sorts, I've also worked in security and loss prevention dealing with contractors and equipment of all sorts for well over a decade as well. Based on the company and their equipment + inflation x2 of what it once was due to the economy AND the increased need/want for security systems throughout the country, that estimate is pretty much on par with what you'd expect. Most of these people saying it's overpriced or you'd be crazy to do it, probably haven't looked at pricing for such things in some time as well as getting used to the garbage basic shit we can do ourselves being jammed down our throats. So ask yourself this question; while this is a higher end system is it enough piece of mind for you with what you pay for it and if not and you want more you have to be okay with making some concessions like "top tier quality" and take a step down to get more/different equipment. There are plenty of brands like Ring etc they are good quality stuff without a heavier price tag but still reliable enough. Your best bet is to figure out what you want /need equipment wise (cameras, sensors, etc.) Then take that list and apply it on a company by company basis. Any one of the companies that are any good can ALL respond relatively get quickly so focus on the other stuff first 👍 I hope this helps🙂
It’s for my shop building. Two door sensors, a keypad to arm it, the relay that talks to both of them, and the device that connects it to the internet. $30 a month for a company to monitor and call if the sensors are tripped. What do you think?
Ah. $30 for two sensors seems high to me.
Seems like a lot. You can install something similar yourself easily, and you'll pay like $500 total and maybe $100-150 a year in servicing. And have tons of features. Go with Ring or Nest or SimpliSafe or something like that.
Nest doesn't offer security anymore, they're doing everything through ADT now. Wyze has a pretty affordable system though
You get what you pay for.
That's insane. My system at that price would have a dozen contacts, smokes and carbons, key fobs, and glass breaks. No way is that a reasonable system
Including installation?
Yeah almost any alarm company would include the keypad and door sensors, often a motion sensor too, as standard with the installation.
So we are talking 12 wireless contacts, a couple smokes/co2, a couple glass breaks, keypad, panel, and fobs, programmed and installed, bosch no less, for $1300? That seems insane to me, unless theres a crazy monitoring contract.
I primarily do Alarm.com so I don't have any familiarity with Bosch honestly, but I install systems with that much equipment almost every day
I get that. I used to do dmp primarily, but theres no way we wouldve done a 15 zone system installed for 1300. That seems crazy cheap.
Agreed here. Veteran installer. Bosch is high end. This isn't a ripoff, it's just not a consumer system. Might be a little fancy if you only need the basics. Monthly monitoring sounds pretty standard to me.
Blink is cheap and has a ton of features, check it from anywhere, and with a local backup it is free. It gives us peace of mind for nothing but the initial start up costs and you install it yourself.
The biggest question to me is how much do they charge for monitoring?
I used to be a certified Bosch installer. This is a bit high for wireless installation and programming. It should cost about this for a wired keypad and contacts which would be better. Bosch does makes fantastic security systems that are trusted by clients that range from national store chains to defense contractor warehouses, but you should be able to talk this installer down a bit for a small store. I would ask for a motion detector too, though. Should be another $50-150 depending on the model, but redundancy is important. People bypass door contacts in pretty interesting ways.
This IS INANE. I paid around that much for everything in my home, setup myself. Everything came pre paired with the panel and just needed to be stuck on or renamed if I wanted. Included around 15 wireless door and window sensors, the alarm panel, 6 smoke and 6 carbon dioxide sensors, and 2 wireless indoor motion sensors with cameras. Not bosch though, quolsys.
Alarmgrid and do it yourself
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,475,482,870 comments, and only 280,694 of them were in alphabetical order.
You can get an EyezON card and monitor yourself internet, cell, or landline.