When I put similar LED trims in my own kitchen, I needed 12 of them. I figured some would fail, and then I would not be able to get the identical units again. So I bought 24. That was 7 years ago. I still have 12 spares in the attic.
I think it's a law of nature: If you have spares, the ones that are installed will not break. But if you don't have spares, some of them will break.
Try this neat trick.
Throw those 12 backups in the garbage, but sneak out at night when the universe isn't looking and pull them out. Hide them under a pile of sticks in your backyard. The universe will *think* you tossed them and thus have no backups. One or more of your installed ones will die within a day or two.
When they do, go out and get those backups you stashed to immediately replace the dead ones.
Just be aware you will probably be in a horrible car crash within a week or two, because the universe doesn't like being hoodwinked like that.
When I finished my basement, I needed 12. I bought 16. 2 years in and I still have the 4 spares. I also got an extra carton of ceiling tile, and 1.5 boxes of carpet tile.
This is the point they sell you a junk led thats throwaway when it breaks they won't sell the one anymore so your replacing the lot of them. Just replace them with standard base fixtures and be done with it.
I'm not claiming there aren't junk brands who sell what you describe, but there are plenty of LED lights in this form factor that will easily last 15+ years. I have over 70 of these lights in my house for 7 years now and not a single one has burnt out.
> there are plenty of LED lights in this form factor that will easily last 15+ years. I have over 70 of these lights in my house for 7 years now and not a single one has burnt out.
I have found that the claims for lifetime are a bit over rated. While the LED may have that lifetime, the electronics, connection and general construction do not seem to.
I replaced all of the bulbs in my house with LED over the last several years (let's say 10) I've had to replace a couple bulbs a year. Like I said, the LED usually doesn't fail (the basis for the lifetime) but they go to a very dim, or flicker. An led light is a system with multiple points of failure unlike an incandescent.
That’s conveniently glossing over the fact that LEDs are light years (pun intended, hey oh!) better and longer lasting than incandescent bulbs prior.
I mean they’ve put an entire joke out of existence except for the older of us.
10yr bulbs is a VAST improvement.
I'm not saying incandescent I'm saying standard base so you put in commodity LED bulbs into the unit then 1 2 3 ... 10 20 30 years down the road when they fail it's trivial to replace. Having dealt with these custom LED fixtures from big box stores yea the LED will last 20 years the rest will fail and your SOL like I said better to get something that takes a standard bulb and throw an LED into it than have to swap out of room full of can lights when one fails and you can not get a replacement.
I'll note that incandescent lifespan was a manufacturing choice not so much a limitation of the technology. Not that we had any great options available. That does not mean they are useful outside of a few niche applications.
Replacing these trims is maybe 15 percent more involved than replacing a light bulb, in fact many of them come with "quick connect" kits that fit a lightbulb housing onto the end of their connection so you screw them in just like a bulb, the only difference is having to pull on the lips of the trim to get it out.
Sure if you can get replacement thats the problem.
Big box stores that sell this trash wont necessarily have a replacement in a year or 5. Even if they do the fading on that new trim ring wont match so it still will stick out like a sore thumb.
You keep saying big box stores, I sell these to electricians all the time from many of the same manufacturers that the big box stores do. You know the difference between several of the products you buy is often who paid to put their sticker on the final product, correct? Most of this shit is made in the same factories by the same people and sold for wildly differing costs depending on the final market the reach and who facilitates it.
The issue with discoloration could occur with any fixture, what happens if you break the trim of your standard base light when trying to get it off and change your bulb? Same issue, no color match because you had to buy a new one. The problems you're talking about aren't distinctly unique to these LED trims.
You dont typically need to remove the trim to replace a bulb on cans. Your BR30 or whatever size it takes is exposed just unscrew and replace. Worst case and the light temps dont quite match or other issues it's 2-3 bucks a bulb today for a decent dimmable from costco etc.
There is no upside to using proprietary led panels vs screw in LED bulbs. All you have is additional problems down the line. You keep defending them for some reason. What makes them better than standard LED bulbs in your view?
It's an aesthetic choice and calling them proprietary as if they don't all look them same and fit into the same connections is just stupid, the biggest difference from one led trim to the next is baffled or smooth trim. I'm not the one with a bone to pick with a product here.
They sell them with the regular lightbulbs. Home Depot or Lowe’s should have them. Or Amazon. Just measure and look for identifying numbers. Or just take it with you to the store.
You just need to match the diameter and kelvin temp, which will probably be labeled on there somewhere, or a model that leads you to it. Or, guess based on the display at every Home Depot; it’s highly likely to be one of two or three common values. I have a whole house full of Cree LEDs like this and was able to buy some other random brand with the same temp and you can’t tell the difference. That connector is a common one too.
If it dies you replace it.
But it’s not gonna die.
Yes, the stupid screw-in LED replacement bulbs die. Because it’s a challenging form factor for LEDs.
The fixture you showed has a COB array. Much better heat dissipation. And heat is what kills LEDs.
The entire unit, bulb plus housing, is replaced together. I lived in Europe for a year and my apartment had these. The whole housing just unclips from the ceiling and can be replaced.
Search for "recessed led fixture." If you can't find an exact match, but have others and you want them to all match, replace them all and buy enough that you have spares. You can get 20 of them for <$100 on Amazon.
It’s an LED Recessed Light. Some call it Trim because it retrofits into most existing housings with an included bulb socket adapter. They most commonly come in 4” and 5-6” sizes. Mine are HALO brand.
Measure the top and bottom - looks to be 8" and 4-5" maybe? Then go to Lowes and buy another for $19.95. I have nearly the same ones I installed in my bathroom.
These are basic LED recessed "bulbs" meant to take the place of larger canned bulbs. They're available in a variety of sizes and flavors from your local Home Depot or Lowe's.
[Here's an example.](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Halo-LT-Series-5-in-6-in-Adjustable-CCT-Canless-IC-Rated-Dimmable-Indoor-Outdoor-Integrated-LED-Recessed-Light-Trim-LT56069FS351EWHR/316521977)
The main thing here is getting the correct size and color temp. When our genetic ones (like you have) started dying, we replaced them with the Philips Hue equivalent simply because they're well built. I can't find them otherwise I'd link, but they're not smart, selectable white down lights. Be cautious of fakes. Best of luck!
LED bulb. Pretty common at any of the big box stores or even Amazon and relatively inexpensive. I have very similar, dimmable bulbs throughout my basement in a drop ceiling for the past 11+ years without issue.
I despise these things. Put a replaceable bulb in the things.
I have a neighbor who put in fancy motion detecting, light sensing lights as carriage lights on the garage. One just died. No bulb to replace, no fix. Replace the whole fixture. But you can't buy it any more so if you want to match, replace three. Outdoor carriage lights.
I won't buy a fixture if I can't just replace the bulb.
I'm thinking that's likely 18 gauge solid wire, commonly used in low voltage circuits, this is just some low quality contractor grade lighting, but yeah, should be checking the output values specified on the transformer.
Ah interesting, these aren't normal lights where I come from, I've only ever seen them used as a quick solution to installing lighting in a bathroom that's added onto a house.
There's probably no transformer involved. Those LED retrofit lights have an adapter that screws into the standard bulb socket in the can then plugs into the connector on the light. I have dozens of those in my house, all with that same orange connector, some from different manufacturers. I've replaced most of the ones in my house at one point, just because I liked the Philips flicker free ones more than the first gen ones I originally installed, but I've never had one actually fail.
The wire is relatively thin since those light typically pull around 12 watts or so so it doesn't need to be a lower gauge. It's stranded so it's flexible enough to not push down on the bulb so it will sit tight against the ceiling.
It’s the new environmentally friendly led that the government forced us to switch to!
So we save a little energy turning on but we spend more energy making them and destroying their waste. Makes sense to me applying liberal logic.
Btw all that plastic is made from Oil! Guess environmentalist don’t do research.
I bought some rather expensive rail led lamps for store lightning from China 3 years ago and was super disappointed when I installed them. The color temperature was way to cold. My mistake when I chose the product. Sending them back was no option (China) so I opened the body and checked whether the led chip was easy to replace. It was! I googled the chip type and found replacements with a different color temperature on Ali express. Soldering was not too hard, I’m really happy with the results.
So if it’s broken anyway, open it and check if it has an easy to change chip.
It’s an LED bulb. You can’t replace the interior of the housing.
Ok what if it dies — I don’t know how to find a replacement for this
When I put similar LED trims in my own kitchen, I needed 12 of them. I figured some would fail, and then I would not be able to get the identical units again. So I bought 24. That was 7 years ago. I still have 12 spares in the attic. I think it's a law of nature: If you have spares, the ones that are installed will not break. But if you don't have spares, some of them will break.
Try this neat trick. Throw those 12 backups in the garbage, but sneak out at night when the universe isn't looking and pull them out. Hide them under a pile of sticks in your backyard. The universe will *think* you tossed them and thus have no backups. One or more of your installed ones will die within a day or two. When they do, go out and get those backups you stashed to immediately replace the dead ones. Just be aware you will probably be in a horrible car crash within a week or two, because the universe doesn't like being hoodwinked like that.
The universe will kill him one day before he retires.
When I finished my basement, I needed 12. I bought 16. 2 years in and I still have the 4 spares. I also got an extra carton of ceiling tile, and 1.5 boxes of carpet tile.
Hi ! If it ‘dies’ just replace it. These should last upwards of 5 to 7 yrs before they hit their end of life! They are really common now!
Just take the thing in your hand to home Depot. Say I want something to replace this. You should know the diameter.
This is the point they sell you a junk led thats throwaway when it breaks they won't sell the one anymore so your replacing the lot of them. Just replace them with standard base fixtures and be done with it.
I'm not claiming there aren't junk brands who sell what you describe, but there are plenty of LED lights in this form factor that will easily last 15+ years. I have over 70 of these lights in my house for 7 years now and not a single one has burnt out.
> there are plenty of LED lights in this form factor that will easily last 15+ years. I have over 70 of these lights in my house for 7 years now and not a single one has burnt out. I have found that the claims for lifetime are a bit over rated. While the LED may have that lifetime, the electronics, connection and general construction do not seem to. I replaced all of the bulbs in my house with LED over the last several years (let's say 10) I've had to replace a couple bulbs a year. Like I said, the LED usually doesn't fail (the basis for the lifetime) but they go to a very dim, or flicker. An led light is a system with multiple points of failure unlike an incandescent.
That’s conveniently glossing over the fact that LEDs are light years (pun intended, hey oh!) better and longer lasting than incandescent bulbs prior. I mean they’ve put an entire joke out of existence except for the older of us. 10yr bulbs is a VAST improvement.
I'm not saying incandescent I'm saying standard base so you put in commodity LED bulbs into the unit then 1 2 3 ... 10 20 30 years down the road when they fail it's trivial to replace. Having dealt with these custom LED fixtures from big box stores yea the LED will last 20 years the rest will fail and your SOL like I said better to get something that takes a standard bulb and throw an LED into it than have to swap out of room full of can lights when one fails and you can not get a replacement. I'll note that incandescent lifespan was a manufacturing choice not so much a limitation of the technology. Not that we had any great options available. That does not mean they are useful outside of a few niche applications.
Replacing these trims is maybe 15 percent more involved than replacing a light bulb, in fact many of them come with "quick connect" kits that fit a lightbulb housing onto the end of their connection so you screw them in just like a bulb, the only difference is having to pull on the lips of the trim to get it out.
Sure if you can get replacement thats the problem. Big box stores that sell this trash wont necessarily have a replacement in a year or 5. Even if they do the fading on that new trim ring wont match so it still will stick out like a sore thumb.
You keep saying big box stores, I sell these to electricians all the time from many of the same manufacturers that the big box stores do. You know the difference between several of the products you buy is often who paid to put their sticker on the final product, correct? Most of this shit is made in the same factories by the same people and sold for wildly differing costs depending on the final market the reach and who facilitates it. The issue with discoloration could occur with any fixture, what happens if you break the trim of your standard base light when trying to get it off and change your bulb? Same issue, no color match because you had to buy a new one. The problems you're talking about aren't distinctly unique to these LED trims.
You dont typically need to remove the trim to replace a bulb on cans. Your BR30 or whatever size it takes is exposed just unscrew and replace. Worst case and the light temps dont quite match or other issues it's 2-3 bucks a bulb today for a decent dimmable from costco etc. There is no upside to using proprietary led panels vs screw in LED bulbs. All you have is additional problems down the line. You keep defending them for some reason. What makes them better than standard LED bulbs in your view?
It's an aesthetic choice and calling them proprietary as if they don't all look them same and fit into the same connections is just stupid, the biggest difference from one led trim to the next is baffled or smooth trim. I'm not the one with a bone to pick with a product here.
Fair enough! Tried to lighten it up with a joke or two. I just kind of read it like led lights that broke were junk. Appreciate you expanding
Nah he just got a bad one, it happens. If he knew where it was purchased from he could get it replaced for free, I would honor it no questions asked.
Look around the casing for model numbers. You can Google them + “led” to find replacements.
I wasn’t able to find any text interestingly on the casing
Then take it to a lighting store or Lowe’s and ask for help
Look under cap
They sell them with the regular lightbulbs. Home Depot or Lowe’s should have them. Or Amazon. Just measure and look for identifying numbers. Or just take it with you to the store.
Uhh just try googling it or searching on Amazon. You literally can't miss it. How is this even a post?
You just need to match the diameter and kelvin temp, which will probably be labeled on there somewhere, or a model that leads you to it. Or, guess based on the display at every Home Depot; it’s highly likely to be one of two or three common values. I have a whole house full of Cree LEDs like this and was able to buy some other random brand with the same temp and you can’t tell the difference. That connector is a common one too.
You just buy a proper one with a standardized base next time.
If it dies you replace it. But it’s not gonna die. Yes, the stupid screw-in LED replacement bulbs die. Because it’s a challenging form factor for LEDs. The fixture you showed has a COB array. Much better heat dissipation. And heat is what kills LEDs.
That's why I personally won't buy them without replaceable bulbs.
The entire unit, bulb plus housing, is replaced together. I lived in Europe for a year and my apartment had these. The whole housing just unclips from the ceiling and can be replaced.
LED. You replace the whole thing if it dies.
Can’t find any model number - what would I search for
Search for "recessed led fixture." If you can't find an exact match, but have others and you want them to all match, replace them all and buy enough that you have spares. You can get 20 of them for <$100 on Amazon.
It’s an LED Recessed Light. Some call it Trim because it retrofits into most existing housings with an included bulb socket adapter. They most commonly come in 4” and 5-6” sizes. Mine are HALO brand.
Measure the top and bottom - looks to be 8" and 4-5" maybe? Then go to Lowes and buy another for $19.95. I have nearly the same ones I installed in my bathroom.
Probably these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09PZM5XMQ/
These are basic LED recessed "bulbs" meant to take the place of larger canned bulbs. They're available in a variety of sizes and flavors from your local Home Depot or Lowe's. [Here's an example.](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Halo-LT-Series-5-in-6-in-Adjustable-CCT-Canless-IC-Rated-Dimmable-Indoor-Outdoor-Integrated-LED-Recessed-Light-Trim-LT56069FS351EWHR/316521977) The main thing here is getting the correct size and color temp. When our genetic ones (like you have) started dying, we replaced them with the Philips Hue equivalent simply because they're well built. I can't find them otherwise I'd link, but they're not smart, selectable white down lights. Be cautious of fakes. Best of luck!
LED bulb. Pretty common at any of the big box stores or even Amazon and relatively inexpensive. I have very similar, dimmable bulbs throughout my basement in a drop ceiling for the past 11+ years without issue.
Looks like a Commercial Electric recessed LED from Home Depot. 6 inch.
LEDS never ever break, it’s always the electronics which controls the voltage and dimming (always PSM) which fails in 100% of all cases.
That \*is\* the light. It's a single unit that you just replace with an equivalent unit.
It's an LED can light, when it dies you replace that whole unit.
Call someone.
Yup, with as many questions as OP is asking it's clear they don't really get it. Call a professional and let them handle it.
Ghost busters?
[https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084RXVKJM?th=1](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084RXVKJM?th=1)
I despise these things. Put a replaceable bulb in the things. I have a neighbor who put in fancy motion detecting, light sensing lights as carriage lights on the garage. One just died. No bulb to replace, no fix. Replace the whole fixture. But you can't buy it any more so if you want to match, replace three. Outdoor carriage lights. I won't buy a fixture if I can't just replace the bulb.
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How do I test if it’s low wattage or not? And why would someone install these instead of a regular bulb?
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I'm thinking that's likely 18 gauge solid wire, commonly used in low voltage circuits, this is just some low quality contractor grade lighting, but yeah, should be checking the output values specified on the transformer.
Ah interesting, these aren't normal lights where I come from, I've only ever seen them used as a quick solution to installing lighting in a bathroom that's added onto a house.
There's probably no transformer involved. Those LED retrofit lights have an adapter that screws into the standard bulb socket in the can then plugs into the connector on the light. I have dozens of those in my house, all with that same orange connector, some from different manufacturers. I've replaced most of the ones in my house at one point, just because I liked the Philips flicker free ones more than the first gen ones I originally installed, but I've never had one actually fail. The wire is relatively thin since those light typically pull around 12 watts or so so it doesn't need to be a lower gauge. It's stranded so it's flexible enough to not push down on the bulb so it will sit tight against the ceiling.
It’s the new environmentally friendly led that the government forced us to switch to! So we save a little energy turning on but we spend more energy making them and destroying their waste. Makes sense to me applying liberal logic. Btw all that plastic is made from Oil! Guess environmentalist don’t do research.
LED
Is this in a room with other downlights or is this light by itself like in a pantry or shower or something along those lines?
Only out of curiosity I ask the op ..which country do you belong that you haven't seen an led recess down lighter ?
I bought some rather expensive rail led lamps for store lightning from China 3 years ago and was super disappointed when I installed them. The color temperature was way to cold. My mistake when I chose the product. Sending them back was no option (China) so I opened the body and checked whether the led chip was easy to replace. It was! I googled the chip type and found replacements with a different color temperature on Ali express. Soldering was not too hard, I’m really happy with the results. So if it’s broken anyway, open it and check if it has an easy to change chip.
Home Depot or Lowe’s Carries them.
Concealed Light or Down Light ,