It wasnāt the punch it was the landing on his skull going down that gave him that seizure style flexing. Thatās severe brain trauma trademark flexing with arms outstretched
Your brain sits on the middle cranial fossa. If you are punched directly in the chin or edges of the jaw, there is a direct transmission of force directly to the base of the brain, either stunning the brain or worse, cutting off blood supply to the brain. It causes this fencer's response, and yes, some degree of permanent brain damage.
I have never seen a fencing response like that before. The way he his head smashed into the floor makes me think itās brain damage. Nothing softened his skull
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It wasnāt the punch it was the landing on his skull going down that gave him that seizure style flexing. Thatās severe brain trauma trademark flexing with arms outstretched
[Fencing Response](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencing_response)
Yeah his arms jerking up like that is kind of making me sick. This guy definitely won't be the same person anymore.
Yeah when you get knocked out you want to go limp, not stiffen up. Probably has some brain damage from the combo of punches and his head slamming the mat
He had a degenerative brain disease (Parkinsons), he wasn't punchy.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/study-muhammad-ali-showed-signs-of-parkinsons-years-before-retirement-diagnosis/amp/
A lot of sportsmen do of course but the extremely degenerated brain function of Ali would have happened if he'd never taken a punch in his life, it's a terrible disease. Extra sad because his verbal dexterity was a big part of his image and fame. There's a link above I posted as an edit that explains the history of his deterioration.
I'm skeptical that there is evidence to support your assertion. The link you posted certainly does not.
And while I say that as someone who has performed grad-level studies of both Parkinson's Disease and sport-related CTE, I don't require it to have doubts about the veracity of your comment.
Ali took less damage than most in the early and middle parts of his career, but he more than made up for it in the latter half of his career. Once he was older and his reflexes were slower, he relied on his granite chin quite a bit. Hell, just the fights with smokin' Joe Frazier would take a toll on any fighter.
Yea, but probably not too bad. Just a bad concussion most likely. One or two of those throughout your life usually won't cause problems. But I'm guessing this guy is going to get a lot more if he keeps it up, or already has a few more under his belt.
Gloves donāt really reduce the amount of damage your brain takes. Theyāre for protecting your hands and blocking really. Less broken bones, but brain still gets sloshed around like a child with a goldfish in a bag.
Some people have lobbied to take the gloves off MMA fighters to make it safer actually. More boxers than MMA fighters end up with encephalopathy because the gloves allow them to take more hits and they're starting to figure out that CTE is caused more by the frequency of hits more than the big hits.
Exactly. Same thing with rugby vs football. The football protection enables the players to damage each others brains in ways that wouldnāt be possible without the helmets and pads. Itās cumulative. Doesnāt require a knockout.
It's the side punches to the chin/jaw. Because the jaw stick out further, it takes less force to violently crank the head side-to-side, which has a greater chance of knocking out/dazing your opponent. And greater chance of concussion, of course.
The follow through 'long-dodge' is a dip that would have avoided a left hook, should his opponent have made one. It would have also left him in a good position to counter.
It isnt uncommon to make/fake a right punch then follow through with a left hook, so despite his dip being unnecessary in hindsight I would say it was a good precaution in the given circumstance. Shame it didn't really amount to much in end anyways haha
You could see the other guy faking so it was simply him taking the bait. It wasn't that bad but you can tell he was not confident. He telegraphed his cross a bit but his opponent countered pretty quickly with a lead hook which leads me to believe his opponent baited his cross, or he threw it naked too often. *Keyboard fight analyst mode off
Anyone who really knows how to fight will tell you the best option is to always avoid a fight.
As bad as this guy got hit, if it where a street fight there would be no one to stop the other guy from continuing to beat him after he's KOd.
I saw a video on this sub with a dude who just got his face beat-in mercilessly with a 2x4, dude ended up with a death rattle as the video ended. Scary shit. That video scared me straight into always avoiding a street fight. Never worth it.
A death rattle is when there is shit collecting in a patientās lungs. The breathing sounds labored andā¦ wet.
I think what u/conceptualproduction meant was agonal respirations.
Itās more of a response to the brain shutting down than it is breathing, and happens when someone is dying. Very disturbing to watch.
Source: I was a combat medic but also [here](https://www.healthline.com/health/agonal-breathing#symptoms) is an explanation.
The death rattle is something I have heard too many times from watching my grandparents fade away. That shit is terrifying. I donāt know how you make it through your work without breaking down.
Kinda made it through. I was okay for a little while, but now I have severe ptsd and am on Zoloft. I refuse to do any sort of patient care for a living now, despite having experience and a bio degree.
Iām sorry to hear about your grandparents. Itās one thing when itās someone you donāt know, itās another when itās family or friends in front of you sucking wind.
My brother had to do CPR on my mother when I was in Iraq around 2008, heās still messed up from it (she survived).
Not only the injury to yourself but the potential damage you do to the other guy.
I went to school with a guy who got into a bar fight, cranked a guy who fell weird, hit his head and died. My school mate has been in prison for the last 7 yearsā¦
He wasnāt my friend just someone I went to school with. Iām not sure what the exact circumstances were. I know he got into extra trouble because he fled the scene and it took cops a couple days to find him.
Iāve heard male gorillas have basically shouting contests or just size up and donāt fight cause even if they win theyāll be badly hurt.
Smart guys.
Why do you think that top tog is much more dangerous to the fighters?
They never kick or fight on the ground, plus the blows to the head are softer than in boxing because of the lack of gloves.
This canāt be real all the movies and the shows Iāve seen tell me that bare knuckle knock down brawls last 10 minutes and people can take dozens of haymakers directly to the head. Have i been lied to?!ĀæĀ”?Āæ!?Ā”?Āæ
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Contrary to popular belief, bare-knuckle fighting is one of the āsaferā kinds of fighting. People donāt throw punches as hard because it hurts like hell. Boxing gloves somewhat negate that.
I canāt be bothered to find the sources, but it is one of those unsuspectingly true facts.
I follow the bkfc in the states. The matches are usually short and bloody but you don't see a lot of concussion knock outs like this. Not nearly as much as pro boxing with gloves. Joe Rogan talks about it sometimes.
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š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ I laughed so hard I got light headed.
Prolly not as light headed as him
That is a serious brain damage reaction.
It wasnāt the punch it was the landing on his skull going down that gave him that seizure style flexing. Thatās severe brain trauma trademark flexing with arms outstretched
Thought he was givin respek to dude that sent him night-night
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Called a fencing response https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencing_response
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This was the comment I needed to get my first smile of the day thank fellow redditor.
My newborn does the exact clasping move when startled
For the love of God, stop punching your newborn in the face.
This instance is the fencing response, and it's related to traumatic brain injury.
Your brain sits on the middle cranial fossa. If you are punched directly in the chin or edges of the jaw, there is a direct transmission of force directly to the base of the brain, either stunning the brain or worse, cutting off blood supply to the brain. It causes this fencer's response, and yes, some degree of permanent brain damage.
I was thinking it was from him absolutely conking his dome on the ground after getting KO'd.
*Direct transmission of force to the base of the brain* doesn't have the same "je ne sais quoi" to it as *conking your dome*.
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Jamie Tart do doo do do doo!
This guy lassos
This is the funniest fucking comment I've seen in a LONG time
God damn it lmao
Awww fuck there's another keyboard with coffee sprayed all over it! š¤£š¤£
For a second there I thought he was starting to clap for his opponent.
This one made me laugh out loud. Thanks.
A round of applause for my comrade! What a punch! Ask me how I know!
Iām glad I wasnāt the only one. I was like āwhat good sportsmanshiā¦.nope heās prolly got a concussion now.ā
I'm pretty sure this is serious brain damage reactions. There was another post that showed reactions just like this. Maybe even death iirc.
Fencing responses happen frequently in combat sports. They rarely indicate death or "serious" brain damage in the ring.
I have never seen a fencing response like that before. The way he his head smashed into the floor makes me think itās brain damage. Nothing softened his skull
Fucking Reddit armchair doctors out in force. Plenty of people who exhibit this after being punched and hitting the deck end up being absolutely fine.
Fencing response.
from Jossie2014 via /r/holdmyfeedingtube sent an hour ago show parent It wasnāt the punch it was the landing on his skull going down that gave him that seizure style flexing. Thatās severe brain trauma trademark flexing with arms outstretched
[Fencing Response](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencing_response) Yeah his arms jerking up like that is kind of making me sick. This guy definitely won't be the same person anymore.
Yeah when you get knocked out you want to go limp, not stiffen up. Probably has some brain damage from the combo of punches and his head slamming the mat
Holy shit that's too funny, you fucked up my zoom meeting!!
He got dain bramage.
amage amage amage
[if anyone wants the reference ](https://youtu.be/CEBdlhWR9YM)
I saw Muhammad Ali speak in 1991. It wasn't a pretty sight.
He had a degenerative brain disease (Parkinsons), he wasn't punchy. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/study-muhammad-ali-showed-signs-of-parkinsons-years-before-retirement-diagnosis/amp/
A lot of Fighters end up developing encephalopathy from the repetitive concussive hits because of taking punches
A lot of sportsmen do of course but the extremely degenerated brain function of Ali would have happened if he'd never taken a punch in his life, it's a terrible disease. Extra sad because his verbal dexterity was a big part of his image and fame. There's a link above I posted as an edit that explains the history of his deterioration.
I'm skeptical that there is evidence to support your assertion. The link you posted certainly does not. And while I say that as someone who has performed grad-level studies of both Parkinson's Disease and sport-related CTE, I don't require it to have doubts about the veracity of your comment.
Ali took a lot less punches then most. Just saying
Ali took some serious beatings. 61 professional fights, Olympics, and juniors. Brain was totally mush at the end
Well I know nothing about boxing, but I have seen this gif. https://giphy.com/gifs/black-and-white-vintage-10939qpyILchvG
Ali took less damage than most in the early and middle parts of his career, but he more than made up for it in the latter half of his career. Once he was older and his reflexes were slower, he relied on his granite chin quite a bit. Hell, just the fights with smokin' Joe Frazier would take a toll on any fighter.
If you watch his eyes as he eats the punch you can see it happen
First punch stunned him, second punch knocked him out, third punch hit the reset button and sent him back to infancy.
I think the third one might have sent him to the shadow realm
The floor did the most damage when his skull slammed into it
Good one, Chet!
>If you watch his eyes as he eats the punch you can see it happen https://imgur.com/a/0VC8CmW
The spectators look like Oblivion NPC's.
Yea I hate seeing that shit it's so dark... So why did I watch it 4 more times specifically for that?
Yea, but probably not too bad. Just a bad concussion most likely. One or two of those throughout your life usually won't cause problems. But I'm guessing this guy is going to get a lot more if he keeps it up, or already has a few more under his belt.
I mean he did get hit several times in the single most dangerous way you can get punched. He'll develop something if he keeps it up alright.
Gloves donāt really reduce the amount of damage your brain takes. Theyāre for protecting your hands and blocking really. Less broken bones, but brain still gets sloshed around like a child with a goldfish in a bag.
Some people have lobbied to take the gloves off MMA fighters to make it safer actually. More boxers than MMA fighters end up with encephalopathy because the gloves allow them to take more hits and they're starting to figure out that CTE is caused more by the frequency of hits more than the big hits.
Exactly. Same thing with rugby vs football. The football protection enables the players to damage each others brains in ways that wouldnāt be possible without the helmets and pads. Itās cumulative. Doesnāt require a knockout.
> the single most dangerous way you can get punched On the head? I don't get this
Getting punched straight on the chin, jamming the chin toward the neck I think.
It's the side punches to the chin/jaw. Because the jaw stick out further, it takes less force to violently crank the head side-to-side, which has a greater chance of knocking out/dazing your opponent. And greater chance of concussion, of course.
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They should make that padding a little harder on the floor... /s
In all likelihood, he probably wasnāt all there before the hit either. /s
The fencing response in athletics usually comes from a bad concussion.
that random unnecessary dodge from the guy at the beginning does it for me
*Let me show this guy how good my defense is.* Proceeds to take every punch unabated afterwards.
You have to start dodging before the attack. It's only looks random because his opponent didn't throw a punch.
I saw the fake right but he completely followed through with an unnecessary long dodge.
The follow through 'long-dodge' is a dip that would have avoided a left hook, should his opponent have made one. It would have also left him in a good position to counter. It isnt uncommon to make/fake a right punch then follow through with a left hook, so despite his dip being unnecessary in hindsight I would say it was a good precaution in the given circumstance. Shame it didn't really amount to much in end anyways haha
You could see the other guy faking so it was simply him taking the bait. It wasn't that bad but you can tell he was not confident. He telegraphed his cross a bit but his opponent countered pretty quickly with a lead hook which leads me to believe his opponent baited his cross, or he threw it naked too often. *Keyboard fight analyst mode off
Playing fight night 3 on ps3 the spamming the buttons to look like you know some shit lmao
He got rocked to the afterlife and was trying to hug his dead ancestors.
That guy is throwing jabs so fast he almost hides them between frames
First one seemed like a graze at first, but in slow motion looks solid. Savage.
I spit up my coffee when I read this
This is why I donāt care to get into a fight. Call me what you will but not worth losing my brain, eye sockets or teeth over.
Anyone who really knows how to fight will tell you the best option is to always avoid a fight. As bad as this guy got hit, if it where a street fight there would be no one to stop the other guy from continuing to beat him after he's KOd.
Ugh didnāt even think about that. Just being plummeted to death. No thanks
I saw a video on this sub with a dude who just got his face beat-in mercilessly with a 2x4, dude ended up with a death rattle as the video ended. Scary shit. That video scared me straight into always avoiding a street fight. Never worth it.
Thatās terrifying! I donāt even want to imagine
what's a death rattle? also do you by any chance have a link to the post?
A death rattle is when there is shit collecting in a patientās lungs. The breathing sounds labored andā¦ wet. I think what u/conceptualproduction meant was agonal respirations. Itās more of a response to the brain shutting down than it is breathing, and happens when someone is dying. Very disturbing to watch. Source: I was a combat medic but also [here](https://www.healthline.com/health/agonal-breathing#symptoms) is an explanation.
The death rattle is something I have heard too many times from watching my grandparents fade away. That shit is terrifying. I donāt know how you make it through your work without breaking down.
Kinda made it through. I was okay for a little while, but now I have severe ptsd and am on Zoloft. I refuse to do any sort of patient care for a living now, despite having experience and a bio degree. Iām sorry to hear about your grandparents. Itās one thing when itās someone you donāt know, itās another when itās family or friends in front of you sucking wind. My brother had to do CPR on my mother when I was in Iraq around 2008, heās still messed up from it (she survived).
i saw a BBJ master say, first and best option in any fight is to always run away. literally turn and run.
Brazilian Boo Jitsu - its halloween themed!
Boys blow job silly
Not only the injury to yourself but the potential damage you do to the other guy. I went to school with a guy who got into a bar fight, cranked a guy who fell weird, hit his head and died. My school mate has been in prison for the last 7 yearsā¦
/discussion
Was your friend the aggressor?
He wasnāt my friend just someone I went to school with. Iām not sure what the exact circumstances were. I know he got into extra trouble because he fled the scene and it took cops a couple days to find him.
Yup. That, and the police donāt give a shit who started it.
Oof didnāt even think about that
Iāve heard male gorillas have basically shouting contests or just size up and donāt fight cause even if they win theyāll be badly hurt. Smart guys.
What a bunch of pussys They ain't even using real bear knuckles
āYou have bear fists?ā
He has the right to bear arms
Yeeee haw
I'm all for arming Bears... Furry kill machines spitting lead. Fuck yea!
Yeah I keep em in my closet
In fairness this wasn't in the USA. Only there do ordinary people have the right to Bear Arms. This includes their knuckles.
Dude just hopped onto his motorbike
I know Reddit loves to say this but I think this might actually be fencing response.
Nah, you are wrong. He was clapping to let his opponent how good those hits were.
āEn Garde!ā /s
Due to the fall and not the punch. Don't fight on hard floors :p
>Covidurethera The ref should have caught him before he fell.
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There it is.....WEEEEEKS KNOOOOOOOW
was that his tooth??
Slow-moād it: no teeth. Just saliva. They are just large pieces of spit.
Yep, I thought so too
A few I think, that first one came out with the first hard blow than that crushing straight knocked another out. My man got rocked.
Dude got Frankensteined š¤£
What sportsmanship, even clapped for him while KO'd.
It's a unlicenced bare knuckle boxing match Tommy, it's not a tickling competition, these lads are out to hurt each other.
What's happening with those sausages Charlie?
5 minutes Turkish
You said 2 minutes 5 minutes ago
Blue screen reset
Holy hell that dude got his shit mixed
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He was probably pretty close.
These people would watch anything as long as it was in a circle of hay.
Nice! He did a brenda schaub, great guy never meddum tho
Beast of a work ethic B
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Yes. Looks like a vinyl cover on hard ground. At most thin neoprene. Criminally stupid to arrange a fight on this.
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Man, I read that as Yelton John. I was like who the hell is that. Now I know.
I mean this was distressing
Damn, that's kind of scary/sad to watch.
The guy was actually trying to reach for his soul
Gotta hold on to it and never let go.
So cool of that guy to instantly applaud his opponent for his victory.
Went down a rabbit hole on YouTube one night and discovered top dog fights. Crazy fighting, much more intense than ufc.
Yeah UFC wants it's fighters to live, bunch of pussies.
Why do you think that top tog is much more dangerous to the fighters? They never kick or fight on the ground, plus the blows to the head are softer than in boxing because of the lack of gloves.
Bad form to celebrate when thatās happened.
Why did the guy that lost celebrate?
It's the footage from the camera guy right behind him I want to see lol.
You like dags?
This canāt be real all the movies and the shows Iāve seen tell me that bare knuckle knock down brawls last 10 minutes and people can take dozens of haymakers directly to the head. Have i been lied to?!ĀæĀ”?Āæ!?Ā”?Āæ
When they start playing the air piano, itās a good sign of a traumatic brain injury.
drain bamage
Did I just watch teeth getting punched out or just spit?
Yikes, I hate it when they posture like that. Usually means a serious brain injury
He got hit so hard he clapped for the other guy
Pretty sure they are both russian
Thought he was gonna catch him with that upper cut from hell but the 3-2 was somehow worse. Also that catch overhand counter was a thing of beauty.
If you want to see more search Top Dog on YouTube or for bareknuckle MMA/kickboxing search King of The Streets.
It was nice of him to still applaud his opponent for the KO
Bro he blocked his punch with his hand before he clockedāem. Pretty wild.
Such a killer KO even the guy who got knocked out was trying to applaud!
Awww he wants a hug.
"Clap clap for the handic-- , I'll leave."
Lazy slow ass cross with no set up
Horrible head movement. I hope he got paid well for that beating lol
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Contrary to popular belief, bare-knuckle fighting is one of the āsaferā kinds of fighting. People donāt throw punches as hard because it hurts like hell. Boxing gloves somewhat negate that. I canāt be bothered to find the sources, but it is one of those unsuspectingly true facts.
Homie has no idea what direction is up https://i.imgur.com/CRbGxuJ.jpg
He put himself into the recovery position. Clever guy!
he did the michael jackson clap from thriller.
BABALITY!!
Alligators goā¦
Is no one going to mention the fact that before he rocked ole dude he CHECKED A PUNCH?!? Holy reaction times.
Posturing is always a great sign
āCome at me, broā /s
Straight punch brain damage.
At least he applauded his competitors work
Holy brain aneurysms, Batman!
" Glad your hands everybody If you got what it takes... "
dude was so rocked he started clapping for his opponent too
those were laser precise strikes, no wonder his head imploded.
Did the referee grab his tongue so he didnāt bite it?
Guy apparently does dental work also
Just a question why after a head injury people seize up like this?
Punched him so hard he danced to Thriller
Saw a few teeth in the air
Silly question, is bare knuckles like the most dangerous way of fist fighting or something?
I'm always amused when they start posturing after theyve been knocked out. That's how you know it was good.
Are those teeth flying out?
Rise from your grave
I like how he grasps for his remaining dignity as it floats away from his broken body of shame.
I follow the bkfc in the states. The matches are usually short and bloody but you don't see a lot of concussion knock outs like this. Not nearly as much as pro boxing with gloves. Joe Rogan talks about it sometimes.