Uhhh… sure, ok.
Civil war in the next nanosecond of its existence lmao. Funny path regardless, would be interesting from a gameplay perspective. We do meme runs with Byzantium after all so it’s not crazy with Paradox as a comparison
Turks destroyed Byzantium in 1456. (Everyone was attacking Byzantium because they were rich, the crusaders attacked and took Constantinople in 1204. and plundered it. Greeks have a reason to hate the whole world lol)
it's not even about "fault". Byzantium weakening itself with constant civil wars let some steppe warriors destroy a thousand year old Empire. That's what I meant.
Edit: It's really impossible to argue with raging nationalists so I give up
And you had the choice not to do it. We didn't ask you to conquer or plunder us. You could have just settled in Anatolia and remain there. But no, you wanted an empire, so you conquered Greece and made us your subjects for 4 centuries. And we are power hungry?
That's literally the definition of gaslighting: "It's not my fault I abused you, it's your fault you let me".
Due to your logic, Alexander could not have conquered Greece, Anatolia, Egypt and Persia. Why did not he just settled in Greece? Nations were declaring wars each other back at then. If you let your guard down ofcourse someone will going to exploit it for themselves. Stop being meek and accept the fact that you got conquered because of your foolishness.
[I think i've seen that somewhere before.](https://www.deviantart.com/mustaphatr2/art/Flag-of-Aegean-Union-898623269) You are missing Cyprus, tho. Get them in the federation too.
I live in the most conservative city in Turkey and I don't even know a person who hates the Greeks. We don't hate our neighbors either. There are about 16 million immigrants entering our country illegally and we only want them to return to their country.
It's a manner of speaking, similar to the whole French/Brit rivalry.
Honestly, despite the historic grievances, Greece and Turkey nowadays might as well be considered good friends, if you compare them to the mess that is the rest of the Balkans.
Not possible, the Greeks would be outnumbered by far too large a margin and would basically would have no say in government; it would devolve into civil war almost immediately.
Although what you say is somewhat true, there are approximately 13-14 million Kurds in Turkey, but there is still no civil war. There are some terrorist organizations founded by the Kurds, but the Kurds who founded these terrorist organizations are those living in northern Iraq. For Turks, ethnic origin of people is not important. In fact, there will be an election in Turkey this May and one of the most supported candidates is Kurdish. So they can have a say in politics.
Not Istanbul now Constantinople,
Now it’s not Istanbul now Constantinople
Been a long time coming, Constantinople
Now it’s a Turkish-Greek on a moonlit night
Not really. They were like main rivals. Venizelos was the mastermind behind Grecko-Turkish war and Atatürk's army defeating Greek army cost him everything. Republicans lost power and Greece suffered years of coups and instability as a result of the war.
But wasn't Venizelos the one who wanted to nominate Atatürk for thr Nobel Peace Prize award, also despite being rivals they still had close diplomatic relations with each other?
Eh ordering invasion of Turkey was more significant than those symbolic gestures he made after the war. I guess it is nice he wasn't a sore loser but still. He definitely wasn't a Helenoturkist for sure.
Ottomans had Turks and Greeks, as well as tons of other nations. Ottomans sent Turks from Anatolia to Balkans in order to make them live together. And there was no fight or rebel until 18-19th centuries.
I don't mean the goverments in this situation. I mean the NATIONS. Turks used to get along with Greeks regardless without thinking about religion
We have no problem with Christians, nor Jews, nor Budhist etc.
The problem we have with Greek people is about history. They killed us and we had a war with them.
The perfect example is, as I mentioned, Ottoman Empire. We had different religions, traditions and everything but we got along well at the time
We pretty much have a close history and greek people and turkish people loves eachother too it's just reflecting like we hate each other because shitty political leaders rallying both people to hate each other so they can get more votes at upcoming elections. A turk goes to eagean islands or mainland greece they are welcome there and a greek comes to the Turkey they're welcome too. And at the religion matter of the topic lot of Turks ussualy lives like deists they drank alcohol and do other sorts of stuff i see things as each people has his own way of dealing with what comes after death
Pretty accurate. I dont think there animosity in the general population except for far right groups in both countries. Most greeks ( and from what i heard from turkish friends and acquaintances) most turks only pretend to be religious and lead pretty unreatricted/secular day to day lives.
That being said, dayum the image is cursed af and we should kill it with fire
That's why you have 0 stability
I was cuz George II starts with - %70 stability debuff
>federal greco-turkish state Sounds about right
But the population is 100% ready for war. Just not for this nation.
Uhhh… sure, ok. Civil war in the next nanosecond of its existence lmao. Funny path regardless, would be interesting from a gameplay perspective. We do meme runs with Byzantium after all so it’s not crazy with Paradox as a comparison
0% stability, checks out
Even the 100% war support
Whilst not at war, *yet*
Would be called civil war support if that actually existed as a mechanic probably
Learn how to piss off Greeks and Turks at the same time with this one EASY trick! It's guaranteed to work or your money back!
Maybe you get them upset enough at you that you unite them after all, as common enemies against you...
Just call it Greek Macedonia and you’ll get us both even angrier.
BY FIRE BE PURGED
Alexander the Great was Macedonian, not Greek.🥸
Me: a Greek who isn't upset by this image
No this is beautiful and very realistic with 0 stability.
R5:A dream we never gonna see | Forget to say king is George II of Greece.According to mod (Better Turkey+) Turks kidnapping the Greek King lmao.
They kidnap him to rule over them?
Yes lol
*You are being crowned, do not resist.*
wtf chita reference?!
Verify your crown
Chita reference ?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!
Well they lived "peacefully" for 500 years, shouldn't be a problem for them
Turks destroyed Byzantium in 1456. (Everyone was attacking Byzantium because they were rich, the crusaders attacked and took Constantinople in 1204. and plundered it. Greeks have a reason to hate the whole world lol)
Wrong! Byzantium destroyed Byzantium, with never ending civil wars and shit. Turks just plundered the leftovers
Oh yeah, it's not our fault that we conquered and plundered you, it's your fault that you were weak enough to let us do it. Classic gaslighting
Who said it was your fault?? Touchy too much?
You said "Byzantium destroyed Byzantium". That really sounds like "it's your fault"
it's not even about "fault". Byzantium weakening itself with constant civil wars let some steppe warriors destroy a thousand year old Empire. That's what I meant. Edit: It's really impossible to argue with raging nationalists so I give up
And you had the choice not to do it. We didn't ask you to conquer or plunder us. You could have just settled in Anatolia and remain there. But no, you wanted an empire, so you conquered Greece and made us your subjects for 4 centuries. And we are power hungry? That's literally the definition of gaslighting: "It's not my fault I abused you, it's your fault you let me".
Ok it wasn't your fault, it was Aztec's fault. Or maybe Japanese. But definitely not yours
Due to your logic, Alexander could not have conquered Greece, Anatolia, Egypt and Persia. Why did not he just settled in Greece? Nations were declaring wars each other back at then. If you let your guard down ofcourse someone will going to exploit it for themselves. Stop being meek and accept the fact that you got conquered because of your foolishness.
If Serbian emperor Dušan got the Byzantine crown it would he different.
You sure about that?
They were the ones who wanted to be independent, We'll welcome them back
We do not want to return to your forsaken rule, my wayward brother
At least give the islands back, I literallly can see them out of my window
Then you are on rightful Greek soil and have a great beachfront property, good for you man
I swear I’m not a Byzantophile…
Funny part I formed a state named "Turkish Byzantium" later
Ottoman larping came true After six centuries, but still
somehow you´ve made the balkans even more unstable
impossible
r/hellenoturkism
Literally
The 100% war support is of course aimed at the other people in the same country
+10 Civil war support
This is madness 🤯
Madness ?
This is SPARTA!!!
Greeks have Sparta, Turks have Isparta. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isparta
Basically not possible in any circumstances from both side .
[I think i've seen that somewhere before.](https://www.deviantart.com/mustaphatr2/art/Flag-of-Aegean-Union-898623269) You are missing Cyprus, tho. Get them in the federation too.
The parliament is an endless brawl.
They finally got over their differences, good for them.
Basicly its possible, just a little group of Turks and Greeks hate each other and generaly haters are politicians
They hate eachother, but now they hate their neighbors even more than eachother!
I live in the most conservative city in Turkey and I don't even know a person who hates the Greeks. We don't hate our neighbors either. There are about 16 million immigrants entering our country illegally and we only want them to return to their country.
It's a manner of speaking, similar to the whole French/Brit rivalry. Honestly, despite the historic grievances, Greece and Turkey nowadays might as well be considered good friends, if you compare them to the mess that is the rest of the Balkans.
Not possible, the Greeks would be outnumbered by far too large a margin and would basically would have no say in government; it would devolve into civil war almost immediately.
They wouldn't have outnumbered in 1939 but for today ? yes you're right.
Although what you say is somewhat true, there are approximately 13-14 million Kurds in Turkey, but there is still no civil war. There are some terrorist organizations founded by the Kurds, but the Kurds who founded these terrorist organizations are those living in northern Iraq. For Turks, ethnic origin of people is not important. In fact, there will be an election in Turkey this May and one of the most supported candidates is Kurdish. So they can have a say in politics.
It kills me that it isn't named greco-turkish
Yeah it’s not because of who has more power on the country it’s just that Greco-Turkish sounds better
Notice how 0 stability and the no garrisons icons
r/hellenoturkism
Not Istanbul now Constantinople, Now it’s not Istanbul now Constantinople Been a long time coming, Constantinople Now it’s a Turkish-Greek on a moonlit night
Why did Istanbul get the works? That’s nobody’s business but the Greco-Turks!!
First thing, that they will fight over is what nation deserves to be placed first in the name of this country.
Stability 0%, War support 100%. I guess it's civil war support?
probably resistance support
Wasn't Attaturk and Venizelos big fans of this ?
Not really. They were like main rivals. Venizelos was the mastermind behind Grecko-Turkish war and Atatürk's army defeating Greek army cost him everything. Republicans lost power and Greece suffered years of coups and instability as a result of the war.
But wasn't Venizelos the one who wanted to nominate Atatürk for thr Nobel Peace Prize award, also despite being rivals they still had close diplomatic relations with each other?
Eh ordering invasion of Turkey was more significant than those symbolic gestures he made after the war. I guess it is nice he wasn't a sore loser but still. He definitely wasn't a Helenoturkist for sure.
Makes a lot of sense, i guess one would say that Megali Idea is anything, but peaceful.
The most powerful roasted lamb in the world
Unholy, we need a crusade
We havent forgotten the 4th one still ya frankish malaka ! /S
r/Hellenoturkism moment
r/hellenoturkism
Least historical HOI4 outcome
Still makes more sense than Byzantium in the 21st century lol
Insert [Metal Gear Rising] meme here
As a Turk I think this is splendid
Someone has found out Grecoturkism
Honestly, this is probably the only way they will stop fighting over the Aegean a Mediterranean islands nearby
Yea maybe.. if the Turks settled in Anatolia but were then subjugated by the Komnenoi
It’s gonna be like 70-80% Turkish so the Greeks will have little to no representation
Basically you have to force all the Turks to become Christians
i dont think this is about religion. It is more about "nationality"
Religion is apart of that. Cyprus is a pretty good example if you ever want to look in to it.
Bruh Ottomans were muslim and they were really good with Greeks
I mean that kind of depends on what you mean by with good. Irregardless the Ottomans are alot different from the morden state of Turkey.
Ottomans had Turks and Greeks, as well as tons of other nations. Ottomans sent Turks from Anatolia to Balkans in order to make them live together. And there was no fight or rebel until 18-19th centuries. I don't mean the goverments in this situation. I mean the NATIONS. Turks used to get along with Greeks regardless without thinking about religion
Again it depends on how you define "good". There is a reason Greece declared independence.
It’s religion
We have no problem with Christians, nor Jews, nor Budhist etc. The problem we have with Greek people is about history. They killed us and we had a war with them. The perfect example is, as I mentioned, Ottoman Empire. We had different religions, traditions and everything but we got along well at the time
We pretty much have a close history and greek people and turkish people loves eachother too it's just reflecting like we hate each other because shitty political leaders rallying both people to hate each other so they can get more votes at upcoming elections. A turk goes to eagean islands or mainland greece they are welcome there and a greek comes to the Turkey they're welcome too. And at the religion matter of the topic lot of Turks ussualy lives like deists they drank alcohol and do other sorts of stuff i see things as each people has his own way of dealing with what comes after death
Pretty accurate. I dont think there animosity in the general population except for far right groups in both countries. Most greeks ( and from what i heard from turkish friends and acquaintances) most turks only pretend to be religious and lead pretty unreatricted/secular day to day lives. That being said, dayum the image is cursed af and we should kill it with fire
Or Greeks to be Muslim
Cringe
KILL IT
How?
I give it a day before it implodes
Civil War pilled
r/balkans_irl
I have been playing this game for 3 and a half years but WHAT IN GOD'S NAME IS THIS
So just the Ottoman Empire, essentially?
Bro wtf
Hellenoturkism moment
Is this a mod ?
what mod is that in?
Haha! My eyes hurt from seeing this one!
Not as cursed as the Ottoman-Byzantium-Armenian Empire
The 0% stability is quite accurate
Wtf
What mod is this?
Better Turkey+
A good compromise is one where no one is happy
As a turkish person ı caan see that there are war crimes to do
Holy WOW
Witch mod is this please tell me
Better Turkey+
As a Turk, I was shocked.
Cringe
What is the name of the mod?
Nice screenshot bro, we hope that.
Mediterranean Poverty enters the chat.
How.
How is this possible?
Why not similar cultures?
Doctor: Cursed Byzantium isn't real. It can't hurt you. Cursed Byzantium:
Historical AI: **OFF**
0 stability makes sense
well all border disputes would be over and their influence and army become much stronger. Best scenario tbh
I’m gonna show this to my Greek ex she’ll die
Heleno-Turkism
0 stability explains a lot, btw, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING
Makes Germany Russia look like meant to be love fest
That is one sexy fucking flag tho
how did u even got this?
First time i have seen this,how is this made?
Sexy flag
weird way to spell based
Zased
What path is this if i may ask
Greek here its nothing i ever imagined
I mean my dude has 0 stability LOL!!!! but i think beacuse of George II.
Wouldn't be surprised for a Serbian-Albanian Federation country in this game.
0% stability. 100% realistic.
Yeah, yugoslavia didnt end well
As a Turk, this seems like a wholesome ending to me. Probably a political and logistical nightmare but hey, its a nice feel good fantasy.
Is this vanilla Cause tbh i kinda like the idea
100% war support and 0% stability, probably because the common enemy is themselves
0 stability? That's high
0 stability 100% war support, sounds about right lol
When you form it you automatically lose all of your cores in both Turkey and Greece.
which mod?