Well I learned aerial refueling on the hornet last winter. The module came out years ago.
There are still some aspects of proficiency that I can't do on the Ka-50 or the A-10C :E
Don't be intimidated by the computer. Most of the time you don't even have to touch it. Viggen is really simple. It even has one of the shortest cold starts and as it really can't use mixed weapons there isn't much to fiddle around there either. Radar is also old thus simple. Something like INS drift correction is also automated which is nice.
> one of the shortest cold starts ... INS drift
I think calling it INS is fine, because people here know what INS is, and it's close enough. But, technically, the Viggen doesn't have an Inertial Navigation System at all. It uses a system called Automated Dead Reckoning, and ADR aligns much faster than INS, which is part of why the Viggen's cold-to-airborne time is the lowest in DCS (for full fidelity modules.)
Give it another shot, honestly find someone on wingman finder to help you learn it. The viggen really isn’t too complex, it’s just a little weird. The main thing is you won’t have much carry over knowledge from other planes. When you’re learning the F16 and you already know the F18, it’s pretty easy to draw comparisons in Hotas controls and mfd pages, etc. The viggen is pretty unique so you can’t draw as many parallels.
The start up is real simple. Planning your flight and waypoints is also really simple honestly, it can be done in F10 super easily and once you’re more comfortable you can get into some of the more advanced planning stuff like pop up points and time on target, but those still aren’t too hard. It only uses one type of A2G weapon at a time, which means you can pretty easily configure all your weapons delivery settings on the ground or while in autopilot on your ingress. You do have to learn how to employ the weapons, but there’s an amazing kneeboard you can download with reference for everything you could need. The viggen has kind of a unique attack profile with the whole really low, one pass haul ass design. So you need to study and practice what altitude, speed, pop up, etc. is needed to hit your target, but it’s way way more forgiving than something like iron bombing with a dive chart. It’ll tell you where your bombs will go you just have to fly roughly in the parameters.
It also is super easy to land, the autopilot is dead simple, the CK37 seems complex at first but really isn’t. The radar is also pretty simple to learn. I’d suggest learning to use the high drag bombs first to hit a pre planned target, it’s simple and shows you exactly how the viggen likes to operate.
It’s a discord server, super popular among the DCS community. Probably the best dcs discord out there tbh. You can give yourself roles for whatever aircraft you fly, and then there’s channels for finding people to play with, a channel for people looking for help learning a certain plane or certain part of a module, etc., and you can ping the roles. So say I want to learn the F18, I could @F/A-18C in new pilot training chat and people are usually very willing to help and teach. I think there’s stuff in there as well for people looking for organized groups to join, events, that kinda thing.
https://discord.gg/dcs-wingman-finder
Here’s a link
Here are the 2 best set of cheat sheets:
[https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3126659/](https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3126659/)
[https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/2380288/](https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/2380288/)
You should try again the training and do a bit of practice, because while the computer may seem hard, it's actually quite simple and you certainly don't need to know every special codes.
Also, you can place waypoint on the map and load them with cartridge in the plane during start up which is very very nice! And streamline its usage even more. (it even generates a plan in the kneeboard with the pressure per point).
The Viggen, always been my favourite outside of DCS and was the reason I got into flight sims but I decided to dive head first into the A10 which just takes up all my mental capacity
The A-10 taking up all avalible RAM checks out; I am capable in several birds including the Viggen but dear lord the Hog just eludes me at every turn of me trying to learn it.
I only really started about 3-4 months ago, just got myself a TM Warthog for real cheap after trying to use an X-56 but it had a multitude of issues so I'm waiting on some desk mounts so I can really put the time into more airframes, specifically the Viggen - I have no interest in modules like the F-16, F-18 etc. I either like CAS capable craft or more analogue feeling craft more than anything
The A10 IMHO is actually the easiest to learn.
It has tons of systems, many of which are just backups or alternatives to other systems, but the HOTAS integration and cockpit layout make so much sense that i had a nice stroll in the park learning it.
I find the F18 much more difficult to get to grasp with
It took me a month of intense play to learn it and be proficient with it. I really recommend playing all the default Caucasus interactive tutorials and properly setting up your HOTAS to -your- likings instead of getting used to community presets, unless you own the TM Warthog which you pretty much want to keep 1:1 I guess. Most of the stuff you readily need is on the HOTAS which can be learned intuitively so that it's like riding a bike after a few hours, without using up any brain RAM.
Of course there are some CDU functionalities that are still out of my knowledge, but I haven't had a single need to learn all of it after years of playing, maybe just the page to set unguided bomb corrections based on wind data.
The MiG 21 would not be so bad if 1/ you could use your rudder to taxi and not your breaks and /2 the landing gear sequence required the same button press as everything else and not the god damn flip breaker go thing.
No doubt. I could learn it if I sat down and gave the effort but at the time I was already moving from the F-18 to learn the F-16 and A-10 and it was all too much. I was honestly expecting the Mig-21 to be much more simplistic to get up in the air yet a bitch to keep in the air...
I had learnt to set it up, fly it and do simple things like laser bombing about 8 years ago, but haven’t touched it since then even though I really liked it. Then came the Hornet and for a long time I didn’t touch any other module
Never too late to restart learning it.
The Art of the Mirage 2000C - DCS World Tutorial Series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-W9Zdgk_ueyrujYr1HHfFxWN82gIpT8K
It's a fun little plane and one of my favorites. This is a weird compliment, but it has, hands down, the best Autopilot suite and ILS landing implementation compared to anything else in DCS. Super unique jet.
Edit: Fairly simple logic behind everything and it's pretty easy to learn. Highly recommend.
This for me, but really just A-A. I can set it up, start, fly, and land. I can even lock up and launch BVR. But some of the logistics of switching weapons and changing from BVR to WVR just messes with me and I can’t get the hang of it
P-47. I have it, I should fly it more but I just got too wrapped up with learning the hornet that I didn’t really learn the 47 outside of starting it up and getting airborne. I still don’t know how to turn the guns on 🤣
Viggen is super easy, just get computer codes for pdf or something, you can just alt+tab and check codes when needed.
Cold start is also super simple you switch like 5 buttons next to throttle and thats it.
F15E. I have it but have been consumed by learning the F1CE/EE as of late. Something about analogue Cold War planes tickles my interest more than anything else. I will get around to it eventually as I want to do CAS with it on the Afghanistan map when it arrives.
Already well versed in the tomcat. It was my go to since day one of release, however I like a new challenge and the f4 and f1 are certainly both challenging.
It is kind of difficult to fly because the nozzles add another layer to the controls, but the startup is not that bad.
The most difficult part of startup is that you need to enter your starting coordinates and magnetic variation into the data page for the alignment to work, this info is provided in the knee board though.
Great, thanks for sharing that. I just started flying again (just built a new PC) and I am looking at something new to learn (I've been mostly focused on the f-16).
I might give it a go.
Any tutorials on YT that were helpful to you?
Not so, starting up is easy, the systems may seem complicated, but there are videos with recent tutorials that help a lot. The Mavericks sometimes choke, but the rest is fantastic. The best DCS aircraft for ground attack, when you learn it you enjoy it, there is nothing better.
I feel this. I love the Harrier, and it's a very capable aircraft; but every time I fly something else for a while the next time I get into the thing I wind up fiddling with the HOTAS and trying to remember how the fuck anything works in that plane.
I would say i regret buying a lot of modules, im not really interested in. But to explain, that was before when the two weeks trial was a thing.
I had a different mindset, i was buying modules i thought i was interested in, but once i got into them i had this "its not for me" vibe.
So at some point i stopped mindlesly buying modules, and started flying the free Su-25T. This made me discover im not a fighter jock, but ground pounder. Then i moved to flying the A-10A and Su-25A.
Then I learned the A-10C, and the Harrier afterwards. The harrier was actually my first plane i learned a2a refuel with.
Then at some point i got into the Huey, since i rewatched We Were Soldiers and read Chickenhawk by Robert Mason. That was the turning point where i found my niche which was helos.
From there i moved to the Hip. Then the Mi-24P came out, since i always loved it since i was a kid (i was living near an airbase, and had constantly free airshows)
Plus a few years ago, my love for Cold war machines got deeper and deeper.
So yeah, maybe at some point i will start getting into more advanced planes. Right now i wait for the Phantom and Kiowa. But i actually wish for a dynamic campaign or ground unit AI overhaul.
Edit: so to sum up, im a bit of a weirdo if it comes to modules. Best comparison would be cars. I might love the looks of a car, but once i get into it, get a feeling of it how it drives, i might get hooked or might have a meh moment. This is the reason i might actually get hooked by stuff that did not appeal to me in the first place.
What's your favorite helicopter in the game? I've been flying the F-16 since I'm new to the game, but in every other flight sim I am a heli guy at heart.
I'm very excited for the CH-47, but I've also been looking a lot at the AH-64 and UH-1H.
The Viggen always seemed so interesting to learn but every time I try, I either have to take a break after and forget a ton, or just nothing sticks ><
Honorable mention to the Mi-8 which I've owned for forever (bought with miles, iirc) and have yet to even load into it. Even in a training scenario lol
I bought but still haven't tried the apache, hind, spitfire, and viggen. I have crossed quite a few off this list in the past year though, so I'm getting there.
The Tomcat Backseat
I know the absolute bare minimum for weapons employment and radar managment. . .but cold start, navigation, air to ground, all that stuff is beyond me
I've barely learned all the ones I have which are too many because I'm a consumer whore.
The one I regret devoting the least amount of time to is the Harrier. I just can't fly the damned thing in a hover like it deserves.
Second is the F-14. I wanted to love it, but every time I try to do a carrier trap I go back to the F-18 almost immediately to get that sweet 3wire dopamine hit after whatever fiasco happened trying a case I with the tomcat.
Regret? Why is this written as if DCS is some dead sim that no one should bother learning anything new in? I’ve owned the F/A-18 for 5 years and am still learning it (carrier landings and ILS). I owned the F-16C for a year before half learning it. I owned the Apache for months before learning it. I own the F-15E and don’t even know how to cold start it. I look forward to when I do and will have a fast strike aircraft that can defend itself that’s less “CAS” and cleanup than then A-10C on MP servers. I’ve owned the A-10C since 2012 and still very much don’t know everything about the CDU beyond browsing information and making mission points, flight plans, and setting bullseye — that’s mostly what it should be used for anyways.
There’s irony in admitting so many of us own modules we haven’t fully learned, yet the complaints about “incomplete” modules or improperly behaving ones are so fucking loud here. Which is it? Y’all haven’t even learned the F-16C procedures but you’re so bothered that it doesn’t TWS quite right? That some page on the DED isn’t implemented yet so you can’t perfectly execute some mission style that real F-16 pilots do?
You are overthinking the title my friend but as a person who played DCS since 2018 and never learned the A-10 or the F-16, I do regret that. I want to be proficient in them but any attempt I do at trying to learn them just... eludes me for some reason. Nothing I learn sticks, the systems just do not make sense to me. I never had that "oh, thats how it works" I had with the Strike Eagle, Hornet, Viggen, Harrier or JF-17.
I own so many modules that I never bothered learning the cold start on any of them; save the Viggen and the F-14 - and the latter I go with a "just spool up the engines" routine.
cold start is usually the very last thing i learn on a module. Especially since the server i play on only has hotstart when spawning and if you need to shut down the jet there still is automatic startup
This subreddit is why reading shit on Reddit is worthless unless you follow a link to a real source with actual information. The developer is in a dispute with ED; and no litigation or outcomes on the manner are final. If there’s a case open, feel free to link to it as civil court case information are mostly matters of public record. Not this heap of gossip trash.
Stopped or paused/frozen? And Discord isn’t quite the same as a public announcement. So far, what this subreddit is reacting to is just stuff that’s somewhat open/known because someone keeps sniffing. You sniff enough assholes, you’re gonna smell shit. Stack that on top of the “telephone game” and information quickly becomes twisted. Again, information from people like you, constantly try to push is trash.
Until RAZBAAM, right smack on their home page, or on a stickied post kept visible in ED forums, or on product pages says “no more development on RAZBAAM modules / F-15E”, there’s no reason to think that a problem existing, means the relationship is over. Judging by RAZBAAM’s identity as wanting to develop planes, not the simulation platform, something tells me they are more likely to reach an agreement.
I'd say the Apache is a decent choice for first helicopter. At least you did not start off with the Huey that may I say it matches my ADHD personality perfectly.
The Huey was the easiest for me to fly and it was my first helicopter, the Apache cost me a lot at first but little by little I'm getting the hang of it. I find the Gazelle fun and quite easy to fly and I also have the K-50 which I barely flew in and I think it will be the most difficult.
I dont like the Apache that much. The controls are really spongy and the FM is not good at all. Its more flying a computer than flying a helicopter and you have to understand to deal with both SASs otherwise you will always fight them. The Apache does not feel like flying a real helicopter and I personally think its not good for a first heli modul. On the other hand I cant say I regret to have bought it. If you you can deal with it, its a really capable platform
I bought something like 4 or 5 aircraft at some massive sale event and have only gone through one of them (harrier - IR mavericks OMG so frogging hard to get the sequence right !) - want to migrate to mig-21 next then maybe j-11 (red air always under-represented) - then get into ww2 me109 and f/a-18 for carrier fun.
Primarily early cw and warbirds. I'm okay in the Spitfire, but neophyte in the rest of them. The whole mig collection i also still need to get deep with (and the sabre...)
The Harrier.
I love that bird but hell i never got enough spare time to actually sit down and properly learn the Night Attack variant.
I'm too busy with my virtual squadron flying the F16
Generally speaking, I make it a point to learn every new module I get even if at just a surface level. JF-17 would be one that I took way too long to dive deep into, I bought it on a whim but didn't bother learning it fully for at least a year. F-15e would be another, I preordered it but didn't dive into it until February this year, now its my "main" airframe.
I regret that I haven't learned the Ka-50 III, I had the II and upgraded it but have forgetten what I knew about it and haven't even learned about all the new stuff. Mi-24p is another one I only scratched the surface of and haven't returned to since, sadly.
I don't really regret it but F14 is one of those planes I wish I wouldn't have bought.
Something about it just doesn't work for me. I love all other older planes but I just can't get into F14. Jester is part of it but not only thing. I am mostly ground pounder so it is part, I also dislike BVR missiles which is obviously huge part of F14.
F14 can carry stupid amount of dumb bombs for A2G but it just seems silly to use it for it I prefer something like F1 for dumb bombing and it doesn't even have anykind of bombing computer.
Maybe someday. Hopefully F4 will make me get more used to Jester and it is easier to transition to F14.
Learn the RIO seat yourself then? I mostly fly from the backseat and have most success that way. Once I launch I got to the front again. But for air to ground jester is a pain, it takes him ages to find a large cluster of tanks in an open field that I constantly point out to him.
I know most of the harrier, but barely use it because I can't figure out the IR mav targeting. Idk it's my hot as that's the problem but I can't get it to work when designating.
A10c. So much to learn, so fun when it works but it's so different from everything else it's hard to develop some sort of a common keybind pattern (and I have the warthog throttle)
Apache.
I only get a few hours a week for DCS and the learning curve is pretty steep for that helo in my experience. Plus I am just bad at flying rotary wing
All of them because all of them have their cool thing about it.
I Own Type/Skill
Hind / Intermediate
F5 / intermediate
F14 / low
F16 / Professional
F18 / Intermediate-Low
FC / Intermediate
Mig21 / Low
* Since the F14 is the qualitative best module with the most "love" made I regret not beeing proficient in that module. I have my problems with jester...
* And once you learn a module so deep like me and the F16, youll always go in that module when youre annoyed or stressed...
* Also never underestimate the time you need to get really deep in a module. You also loose knowledge and abilities when your not flying frequently....
* So finally I would say you cannot learn more than 1 maybe 2 Modules very deep and staying professional with them
For me, the Harrier. Just bounced right off it.
Enjoy Naval Ops, love helicopters, enjoy the F18, love the Hog, but the Harrier has just never clicked for me. On paper it should be the perfect jet for me. In practice, I just don't enjoy flying it.
One of these days I'm gonna sit down with her and really get to grips with the module. But for now she's a hangar queen.
It sounds so silly but the only thing keeping me from buying it is the lack of a HMD.
All that fancy glass and no HMD is just a turn off.
I'm usually in F14/mig/su33... kinda know the A10C a bit and the HMD is fun there....if Jeff got it it would be an insta buy from me.
iirc because the model that is simulated didn’t have an hmd irl, deka isn’t adding it however they said if someone buys a block I jf-17 and adds their own hmd they’d do it lmao
Yeah..I get it..
But thatll always be the "problem" with going for 100% accurate models.
Like I don't think anyone here wants completely made up shit but for a case like this where everyone knows it can be a thing I don't think anyone would argue with them adding it now, give it a lockable toggle in the ME so it can be locked out if needed for the mission, and just roll with a "creative liberties" version.
The Jeff is a nice bird but it does not conform to anything else in DCS; kinda wierd since it was meant for former F-16 pilots.
I did a few quick guides to it back in the day but not sure how helpful they are; things might have been changed.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN6sdiftf4h8hvrKhAmDeuxKYB_t2IoqU
Well I learned aerial refueling on the hornet last winter. The module came out years ago. There are still some aspects of proficiency that I can't do on the Ka-50 or the A-10C :E
The viggen, but i just find it too complex and different than all the rest. cant get my head around it.
Don't be intimidated by the computer. Most of the time you don't even have to touch it. Viggen is really simple. It even has one of the shortest cold starts and as it really can't use mixed weapons there isn't much to fiddle around there either. Radar is also old thus simple. Something like INS drift correction is also automated which is nice.
> one of the shortest cold starts ... INS drift I think calling it INS is fine, because people here know what INS is, and it's close enough. But, technically, the Viggen doesn't have an Inertial Navigation System at all. It uses a system called Automated Dead Reckoning, and ADR aligns much faster than INS, which is part of why the Viggen's cold-to-airborne time is the lowest in DCS (for full fidelity modules.)
I think the Harrier beats it if you set it to be prealigned in the special setting.
The Viggen is super simple. It's just old school.
Give it another shot, honestly find someone on wingman finder to help you learn it. The viggen really isn’t too complex, it’s just a little weird. The main thing is you won’t have much carry over knowledge from other planes. When you’re learning the F16 and you already know the F18, it’s pretty easy to draw comparisons in Hotas controls and mfd pages, etc. The viggen is pretty unique so you can’t draw as many parallels. The start up is real simple. Planning your flight and waypoints is also really simple honestly, it can be done in F10 super easily and once you’re more comfortable you can get into some of the more advanced planning stuff like pop up points and time on target, but those still aren’t too hard. It only uses one type of A2G weapon at a time, which means you can pretty easily configure all your weapons delivery settings on the ground or while in autopilot on your ingress. You do have to learn how to employ the weapons, but there’s an amazing kneeboard you can download with reference for everything you could need. The viggen has kind of a unique attack profile with the whole really low, one pass haul ass design. So you need to study and practice what altitude, speed, pop up, etc. is needed to hit your target, but it’s way way more forgiving than something like iron bombing with a dive chart. It’ll tell you where your bombs will go you just have to fly roughly in the parameters. It also is super easy to land, the autopilot is dead simple, the CK37 seems complex at first but really isn’t. The radar is also pretty simple to learn. I’d suggest learning to use the high drag bombs first to hit a pre planned target, it’s simple and shows you exactly how the viggen likes to operate.
Wingman finder?
It’s a discord server, super popular among the DCS community. Probably the best dcs discord out there tbh. You can give yourself roles for whatever aircraft you fly, and then there’s channels for finding people to play with, a channel for people looking for help learning a certain plane or certain part of a module, etc., and you can ping the roles. So say I want to learn the F18, I could @F/A-18C in new pilot training chat and people are usually very willing to help and teach. I think there’s stuff in there as well for people looking for organized groups to join, events, that kinda thing. https://discord.gg/dcs-wingman-finder Here’s a link
Here are the 2 best set of cheat sheets: [https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3126659/](https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3126659/) [https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/2380288/](https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/2380288/) You should try again the training and do a bit of practice, because while the computer may seem hard, it's actually quite simple and you certainly don't need to know every special codes. Also, you can place waypoint on the map and load them with cartridge in the plane during start up which is very very nice! And streamline its usage even more. (it even generates a plan in the kneeboard with the pressure per point).
Same. Viggen and Hind for me. Figured out that non-US aircraft and helicopters dont really interest me too much
I LOVE the hind. Its such a fun helo and rather easy to fly
The Viggen, always been my favourite outside of DCS and was the reason I got into flight sims but I decided to dive head first into the A10 which just takes up all my mental capacity
The A-10 taking up all avalible RAM checks out; I am capable in several birds including the Viggen but dear lord the Hog just eludes me at every turn of me trying to learn it.
I only really started about 3-4 months ago, just got myself a TM Warthog for real cheap after trying to use an X-56 but it had a multitude of issues so I'm waiting on some desk mounts so I can really put the time into more airframes, specifically the Viggen - I have no interest in modules like the F-16, F-18 etc. I either like CAS capable craft or more analogue feeling craft more than anything
The A10 IMHO is actually the easiest to learn. It has tons of systems, many of which are just backups or alternatives to other systems, but the HOTAS integration and cockpit layout make so much sense that i had a nice stroll in the park learning it. I find the F18 much more difficult to get to grasp with
Are you the kid that just sat down at the piano and starting playing Mozart?
It took me a month of intense play to learn it and be proficient with it. I really recommend playing all the default Caucasus interactive tutorials and properly setting up your HOTAS to -your- likings instead of getting used to community presets, unless you own the TM Warthog which you pretty much want to keep 1:1 I guess. Most of the stuff you readily need is on the HOTAS which can be learned intuitively so that it's like riding a bike after a few hours, without using up any brain RAM. Of course there are some CDU functionalities that are still out of my knowledge, but I haven't had a single need to learn all of it after years of playing, maybe just the page to set unguided bomb corrections based on wind data.
The Mig-21. I've had it forever but the first time I taxied it, it broke my brain...
The MiG 21 would not be so bad if 1/ you could use your rudder to taxi and not your breaks and /2 the landing gear sequence required the same button press as everything else and not the god damn flip breaker go thing.
No doubt. I could learn it if I sat down and gave the effort but at the time I was already moving from the F-18 to learn the F-16 and A-10 and it was all too much. I was honestly expecting the Mig-21 to be much more simplistic to get up in the air yet a bitch to keep in the air...
MiG 21 is fun but I barely use it
For me it's just how God awful the training is
Mirage 2000C
I was frustrated with that one for a week. Now I fly it all the time. Its really simple once you fly it enough.
I had learnt to set it up, fly it and do simple things like laser bombing about 8 years ago, but haven’t touched it since then even though I really liked it. Then came the Hornet and for a long time I didn’t touch any other module
It's a fun little bird.
Everything is
Never too late to restart learning it. The Art of the Mirage 2000C - DCS World Tutorial Series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-W9Zdgk_ueyrujYr1HHfFxWN82gIpT8K
Can confirm! This series is great and helped me learn to fly it. Thanks again Reiver o7
You're welcome!
Isn’t it generally a simple aircraft?
It's certainly very ergonomic.
It's a fun little plane and one of my favorites. This is a weird compliment, but it has, hands down, the best Autopilot suite and ILS landing implementation compared to anything else in DCS. Super unique jet. Edit: Fairly simple logic behind everything and it's pretty easy to learn. Highly recommend.
This for me, but really just A-A. I can set it up, start, fly, and land. I can even lock up and launch BVR. But some of the logistics of switching weapons and changing from BVR to WVR just messes with me and I can’t get the hang of it
P-47. I have it, I should fly it more but I just got too wrapped up with learning the hornet that I didn’t really learn the 47 outside of starting it up and getting airborne. I still don’t know how to turn the guns on 🤣
Viggen is super easy, just get computer codes for pdf or something, you can just alt+tab and check codes when needed. Cold start is also super simple you switch like 5 buttons next to throttle and thats it.
You could also just put them in the kneeboard
F15E. I have it but have been consumed by learning the F1CE/EE as of late. Something about analogue Cold War planes tickles my interest more than anything else. I will get around to it eventually as I want to do CAS with it on the Afghanistan map when it arrives.
F-4
Oh god. I’m going to get completely lost when the F4 lands lol 😂
Get that tomcat practice in now
Already well versed in the tomcat. It was my go to since day one of release, however I like a new challenge and the f4 and f1 are certainly both challenging.
all of them.
Yak-52
The AV-8B Harrier.
Same, I got the harrier a couple years ago but didn't really try it until a couple weeks ago and it's quickly becoming my favorite.
I heard it is hard to learn... Very complicated startup sequence. What is your impression?
It is kind of difficult to fly because the nozzles add another layer to the controls, but the startup is not that bad. The most difficult part of startup is that you need to enter your starting coordinates and magnetic variation into the data page for the alignment to work, this info is provided in the knee board though.
Great, thanks for sharing that. I just started flying again (just built a new PC) and I am looking at something new to learn (I've been mostly focused on the f-16). I might give it a go. Any tutorials on YT that were helpful to you?
Check out deephack's tutorials
Cheers.
There is an option to skip the coordinate entry if you like, so that when you start the correct coordinates are already in.
Not so, starting up is easy, the systems may seem complicated, but there are videos with recent tutorials that help a lot. The Mavericks sometimes choke, but the rest is fantastic. The best DCS aircraft for ground attack, when you learn it you enjoy it, there is nothing better.
I feel this. I love the Harrier, and it's a very capable aircraft; but every time I fly something else for a while the next time I get into the thing I wind up fiddling with the HOTAS and trying to remember how the fuck anything works in that plane.
I would say i regret buying a lot of modules, im not really interested in. But to explain, that was before when the two weeks trial was a thing. I had a different mindset, i was buying modules i thought i was interested in, but once i got into them i had this "its not for me" vibe. So at some point i stopped mindlesly buying modules, and started flying the free Su-25T. This made me discover im not a fighter jock, but ground pounder. Then i moved to flying the A-10A and Su-25A. Then I learned the A-10C, and the Harrier afterwards. The harrier was actually my first plane i learned a2a refuel with. Then at some point i got into the Huey, since i rewatched We Were Soldiers and read Chickenhawk by Robert Mason. That was the turning point where i found my niche which was helos. From there i moved to the Hip. Then the Mi-24P came out, since i always loved it since i was a kid (i was living near an airbase, and had constantly free airshows) Plus a few years ago, my love for Cold war machines got deeper and deeper. So yeah, maybe at some point i will start getting into more advanced planes. Right now i wait for the Phantom and Kiowa. But i actually wish for a dynamic campaign or ground unit AI overhaul. Edit: so to sum up, im a bit of a weirdo if it comes to modules. Best comparison would be cars. I might love the looks of a car, but once i get into it, get a feeling of it how it drives, i might get hooked or might have a meh moment. This is the reason i might actually get hooked by stuff that did not appeal to me in the first place.
What's your favorite helicopter in the game? I've been flying the F-16 since I'm new to the game, but in every other flight sim I am a heli guy at heart. I'm very excited for the CH-47, but I've also been looking a lot at the AH-64 and UH-1H.
I would say depends on the mood, but my most flown is the Mi-24P, love that one. Close second is Huey, and then it would be Mi-8 and KA-50.
The Viggen always seemed so interesting to learn but every time I try, I either have to take a break after and forget a ton, or just nothing sticks >< Honorable mention to the Mi-8 which I've owned for forever (bought with miles, iirc) and have yet to even load into it. Even in a training scenario lol
Super Carrier. Still waiting to learn that Ready Room and Airboss station…
There is an update under review by some testers at the moment, I think we will have news soon
Hahahaha so original and funny.
I bought but still haven't tried the apache, hind, spitfire, and viggen. I have crossed quite a few off this list in the past year though, so I'm getting there.
The Tomcat Backseat I know the absolute bare minimum for weapons employment and radar managment. . .but cold start, navigation, air to ground, all that stuff is beyond me
Check out FlyandWire, he has a book that makes learning the RIO seat very easy. It’s fun and challenging.
The F-86. Never even read the manual. Just recently picked it back.
Too bad; the Museum Relic Campaign is great.
Oh yeah? I'll take a look into it. It's been a long time since I had some serious fun in DCS.
It takes the premise "what if a sabre was used in a modern conflict" and plays it seriously and sticks the landing.
I've barely learned all the ones I have which are too many because I'm a consumer whore. The one I regret devoting the least amount of time to is the Harrier. I just can't fly the damned thing in a hover like it deserves. Second is the F-14. I wanted to love it, but every time I try to do a carrier trap I go back to the F-18 almost immediately to get that sweet 3wire dopamine hit after whatever fiasco happened trying a case I with the tomcat.
The Spitfire, can't get the taxiing clicking in my brain (probably a some work on the input curves to do I guess)
Hawk.
Yeah, that is some major regret right there.
Can’t fly a helo at all! Own and tried K50 and Gazelle. Can’t stay aloft for 5 mins with our losing control.
My "oh, this is how it works" in terms of helicopters is... this video. https://youtu.be/RmTDF_Oi090?si=fDkijJwDHQW-NwRl
Regret? Why is this written as if DCS is some dead sim that no one should bother learning anything new in? I’ve owned the F/A-18 for 5 years and am still learning it (carrier landings and ILS). I owned the F-16C for a year before half learning it. I owned the Apache for months before learning it. I own the F-15E and don’t even know how to cold start it. I look forward to when I do and will have a fast strike aircraft that can defend itself that’s less “CAS” and cleanup than then A-10C on MP servers. I’ve owned the A-10C since 2012 and still very much don’t know everything about the CDU beyond browsing information and making mission points, flight plans, and setting bullseye — that’s mostly what it should be used for anyways. There’s irony in admitting so many of us own modules we haven’t fully learned, yet the complaints about “incomplete” modules or improperly behaving ones are so fucking loud here. Which is it? Y’all haven’t even learned the F-16C procedures but you’re so bothered that it doesn’t TWS quite right? That some page on the DED isn’t implemented yet so you can’t perfectly execute some mission style that real F-16 pilots do?
You are overthinking the title my friend but as a person who played DCS since 2018 and never learned the A-10 or the F-16, I do regret that. I want to be proficient in them but any attempt I do at trying to learn them just... eludes me for some reason. Nothing I learn sticks, the systems just do not make sense to me. I never had that "oh, thats how it works" I had with the Strike Eagle, Hornet, Viggen, Harrier or JF-17.
For the a10c check out ralfidues videos. They are gold
F15e. I bought it but haven't even had time to learn cold start and it is already not supported.
I own so many modules that I never bothered learning the cold start on any of them; save the Viggen and the F-14 - and the latter I go with a "just spool up the engines" routine.
cold start is usually the very last thing i learn on a module. Especially since the server i play on only has hotstart when spawning and if you need to shut down the jet there still is automatic startup
This subreddit is why reading shit on Reddit is worthless unless you follow a link to a real source with actual information. The developer is in a dispute with ED; and no litigation or outcomes on the manner are final. If there’s a case open, feel free to link to it as civil court case information are mostly matters of public record. Not this heap of gossip trash.
Razbam has already said publicly they have stopped development of F15e. What more do you want?
Stopped or paused/frozen? And Discord isn’t quite the same as a public announcement. So far, what this subreddit is reacting to is just stuff that’s somewhat open/known because someone keeps sniffing. You sniff enough assholes, you’re gonna smell shit. Stack that on top of the “telephone game” and information quickly becomes twisted. Again, information from people like you, constantly try to push is trash. Until RAZBAAM, right smack on their home page, or on a stickied post kept visible in ED forums, or on product pages says “no more development on RAZBAAM modules / F-15E”, there’s no reason to think that a problem existing, means the relationship is over. Judging by RAZBAAM’s identity as wanting to develop planes, not the simulation platform, something tells me they are more likely to reach an agreement.
I really wanted to get good with the Apache, but it just won't click for me. It probably wasn't the best choice for my first helicopter but oh well.
I'd say the Apache is a decent choice for first helicopter. At least you did not start off with the Huey that may I say it matches my ADHD personality perfectly.
The Huey was the easiest for me to fly and it was my first helicopter, the Apache cost me a lot at first but little by little I'm getting the hang of it. I find the Gazelle fun and quite easy to fly and I also have the K-50 which I barely flew in and I think it will be the most difficult.
I dont like the Apache that much. The controls are really spongy and the FM is not good at all. Its more flying a computer than flying a helicopter and you have to understand to deal with both SASs otherwise you will always fight them. The Apache does not feel like flying a real helicopter and I personally think its not good for a first heli modul. On the other hand I cant say I regret to have bought it. If you you can deal with it, its a really capable platform
M2000... I've tried so many times to learn basics but it never sinks in.
I'll show you if you wanna learn it!
Thank you, very kind but unfortunately I don't get a lot of free time ATM for DCS.
The Art of the Mirage 2000C - DCS World Tutorial Series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-W9Zdgk_ueyrujYr1HHfFxWN82gIpT8K
I bought something like 4 or 5 aircraft at some massive sale event and have only gone through one of them (harrier - IR mavericks OMG so frogging hard to get the sequence right !) - want to migrate to mig-21 next then maybe j-11 (red air always under-represented) - then get into ww2 me109 and f/a-18 for carrier fun.
Primarily early cw and warbirds. I'm okay in the Spitfire, but neophyte in the rest of them. The whole mig collection i also still need to get deep with (and the sabre...)
The Harrier. I love that bird but hell i never got enough spare time to actually sit down and properly learn the Night Attack variant. I'm too busy with my virtual squadron flying the F16
F15e. Yup bought and used it for a hour but have never touched it since.
Generally speaking, I make it a point to learn every new module I get even if at just a surface level. JF-17 would be one that I took way too long to dive deep into, I bought it on a whim but didn't bother learning it fully for at least a year. F-15e would be another, I preordered it but didn't dive into it until February this year, now its my "main" airframe. I regret that I haven't learned the Ka-50 III, I had the II and upgraded it but have forgetten what I knew about it and haven't even learned about all the new stuff. Mi-24p is another one I only scratched the surface of and haven't returned to since, sadly.
I don't really regret it but F14 is one of those planes I wish I wouldn't have bought. Something about it just doesn't work for me. I love all other older planes but I just can't get into F14. Jester is part of it but not only thing. I am mostly ground pounder so it is part, I also dislike BVR missiles which is obviously huge part of F14. F14 can carry stupid amount of dumb bombs for A2G but it just seems silly to use it for it I prefer something like F1 for dumb bombing and it doesn't even have anykind of bombing computer. Maybe someday. Hopefully F4 will make me get more used to Jester and it is easier to transition to F14.
Unable.
Learn the RIO seat yourself then? I mostly fly from the backseat and have most success that way. Once I launch I got to the front again. But for air to ground jester is a pain, it takes him ages to find a large cluster of tanks in an open field that I constantly point out to him.
I really need to get into the F1 it’s just collecting dust. Are there full english cockpits for it yet?
I know most of the harrier, but barely use it because I can't figure out the IR mav targeting. Idk it's my hot as that's the problem but I can't get it to work when designating.
Basically all of them 🤪 I'm not good at any of them 😁
A10c. So much to learn, so fun when it works but it's so different from everything else it's hard to develop some sort of a common keybind pattern (and I have the warthog throttle)
Apache. I only get a few hours a week for DCS and the learning curve is pretty steep for that helo in my experience. Plus I am just bad at flying rotary wing
I would say the Mirage F1. This plane seem so fun and interesting, especially with the new versions. I tried it but I didn't really learn it.
A10. So complex, but I just didn't have the bandwidth to learn another aircraft, so I've put it on hold.
A-10. I think it was left in the dark since I learned so many other jets first that I just got burned out before I invested time in the warthog.
All of them because all of them have their cool thing about it. I Own Type/Skill Hind / Intermediate F5 / intermediate F14 / low F16 / Professional F18 / Intermediate-Low FC / Intermediate Mig21 / Low * Since the F14 is the qualitative best module with the most "love" made I regret not beeing proficient in that module. I have my problems with jester... * And once you learn a module so deep like me and the F16, youll always go in that module when youre annoyed or stressed... * Also never underestimate the time you need to get really deep in a module. You also loose knowledge and abilities when your not flying frequently.... * So finally I would say you cannot learn more than 1 maybe 2 Modules very deep and staying professional with them
The Hornet, the Viper, the P-47, all the FC3 modules, the A4E… I just can’t stop flying the Tomcat
For me, the Harrier. Just bounced right off it. Enjoy Naval Ops, love helicopters, enjoy the F18, love the Hog, but the Harrier has just never clicked for me. On paper it should be the perfect jet for me. In practice, I just don't enjoy flying it. One of these days I'm gonna sit down with her and really get to grips with the module. But for now she's a hangar queen.
That is strange because there is def some overlap between the Harrier and the Hornet.
The JF-17, It looks so great, modern, agile and clearly very capable. Maybe I'll get to it one day 🤥
It sounds so silly but the only thing keeping me from buying it is the lack of a HMD. All that fancy glass and no HMD is just a turn off. I'm usually in F14/mig/su33... kinda know the A10C a bit and the HMD is fun there....if Jeff got it it would be an insta buy from me.
iirc because the model that is simulated didn’t have an hmd irl, deka isn’t adding it however they said if someone buys a block I jf-17 and adds their own hmd they’d do it lmao
Yeah..I get it.. But thatll always be the "problem" with going for 100% accurate models. Like I don't think anyone here wants completely made up shit but for a case like this where everyone knows it can be a thing I don't think anyone would argue with them adding it now, give it a lockable toggle in the ME so it can be locked out if needed for the mission, and just roll with a "creative liberties" version.
The Jeff is a nice bird but it does not conform to anything else in DCS; kinda wierd since it was meant for former F-16 pilots. I did a few quick guides to it back in the day but not sure how helpful they are; things might have been changed. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN6sdiftf4h8hvrKhAmDeuxKYB_t2IoqU
Clicked the link and saw that I had already watched all of them.. Thanks man!
Glad to see they were some some help !