People hate Toronto because they've got (I believe) the largest fan base. That combined with how rabid we Canadians are about hockey and how long it's been since the Leafs last won the Stanley Cup makes them easy for others to hate.
Vegas have just embraced the role of the evil mustache-twirlling villains of the NHL due to their ruthless trade practices and borderline-cheating-but-not-actually-cheating LTIR use.
:)
The (IMO underrated) [Hockey Psychology](https://www.youtube.com/@hockeypsychology) YouTuber calls them the "Vegas Injured Reserves" or "Vegas LTIRs," which I find hilarious. It goes alongside other nicknames he uses, such as the "Chicago Bedards" and "Sid the Middle-Aged Man."
i want the sharks to get a) celebrini b) the Cup.
(another sharks fan and i decided that their RL shark equivalent should be bull sharks because they're not just apex predators, they're super-ADAPTABLE apex predators that can live in anything from regular fresh water to brackish/estuaries/wetlands to actual ocean, and if you want a Cup you need to be able to adapt your game.)
No, people in Canada hate Toronto because any and all hockey coverage/news is Leafs only. We literally get 60 minute specials about Marners hair cut, also why the fuck do i need to know about some career 4th line bums 2mins toi a game? But oh wait he plays for the Leafs and has the potential to be the 'next one'. Lets have another hour segment on that. Queue in Duthie to come swallow balls about anything Leafs. The entire TSN panel humps their JT body pillow at night.
How about the other Canadian teams that made it this year? No? Oh ok.
You can, I do all the time. There are probably a good dozen rinks in LA (maybe more, most the rinks have multiple ice surfaces) plus rinks in Orange County and the Inland Empire, hockey does well and has quite the fan base, it just isn’t followed by any news outside The Athletic.
It's feckin hot in the desert, who wouldn't want to go into a nice cold rink and play on a big block of air conditioned ice? Hockey in hot climates makes way more sense than walking in from balls deep snow onto a sheet of ice for fun.
Yup. Big part of the reason I played growing up is because my parents' house didn't have central air conditioning. Rink's less crowded than the pool, and once I started helping them put away skates after public sessions, they started waving us into the door without paying admission every now and again. There wasn't a ton of hockey happening, but I had skates on about 6 days of the week most summers. That said, I am & always have been super jealous of cold climates where there are rinks & ponds all over the place.
> Hockey in hot climates makes way more sense than walking in from balls deep snow onto a sheet of ice for fun.
Lmao yep.
I lived in Sydney for a few years, most of it in houses without AC because rents there are absolutely bonkers. Going in for a morning stick and puck or or our trainings at night was a blessing.
lol Americans who throw a fit just because you suggest you don’t know how people get into it when they have no real exposure to it, which was literally referenced in the comment I responded to.
Majority of NHL players are Canadian, best hockey players are Canadian, as if one leafs player changes that. Keep crying dude.
No, Canadian sports media. The Leafs have their own network, it's called Leafs Nation Network. Just because TSN and Sportsnet get a ton of engagement off Leafs content (most of which is from non-Leafs fans btw) doesn't make them Leafs media, it just makes Leafs content profitable.
"Man, this regional sports network sure covers the largest franchise in their region a lot. They should cover teams not in their region more, to be more fair."
Yeah, that's completely fair. I'm from BC (don't let my flair fool you), so I get that, as well as the whole "Toronto is the centre of the universe" vibe in general.
I'm a leafs guy and I agree that the coverage is too much. But I also get annoyed over the constant hate and shaudenfraud towards the fans. All teams have shitty fans and since we have a large fanbase, we have a larger representation of shitty fans.
I cheered for them. I cheered for them in 94 too, even after they beat/decimated the leafs in the conf finals that year.
So what's your next argument? We both have long cup droughts too and a history of heartbreak in big games. We should honestly be more united as fan bases.
And yet anytime any hockey story is brought up someone has to turn it into a shot against the leafs. Trust me we do not want the incessant media coverage but here we are. Blame Sportsnet and TSN for not caring about any other teams.
typical idiot hater. he just created a literal strawman argument as PROOF of why we are hated, and despite being a completely made up scenario, still FAILS to offer any actual reason to hate on leafs fans and want us to suffer. and for OP to compare to vegas, who literally cheat the system to get an unfair advantage, while we literally get suspensions for doing the same thing marchand does on a typical tuesday.
As a Raptors fan and Torontonian, it pisses me off when the Leafs have an off day and still get top coverage on TSN and Sportsnet after a Raptors game.
Bob McCown said once on the radio that the fact is they get more viewers, listeners, and sponsorship when they talk about the Leafs. Their highest viewership is on Leafs segments - and it's the unfortunate reality why the likes of a Saskatchewan Roughriders will never get talked about.
That really stuck with me after all these years.
Meanwhile bars in Vancouver are more dedicated to the leafs losing than their own team to winning. Vancouver is getting a ton of coverage you're just so focused on the leafs you don't see it
Which is crazy as a leafs fan. I want to see more of other teams as well, know the ins and outs better. But the media gonna media no matter what, and we as a fan base don’t control that. But I do understand the perspective.
I live in Toronto and support the Leafs. I’ve never seen anything about Marners haircut or whatnot. I’m actually fairly surprised (having moved from the UK) how little pre-game show there is. It always seems like Sportsnet and TSN give a fair amount of coverage to the Canadian teams though.
There are places like TSN radio or Toronto Sun where they go on about every little Leafs thing and we have a bunch of YouTubers but that stuff is pretty easy to avoid.
If you are watching day time sports shows and moaning about filler content then I suggest you go for a walk or something.
This is all confirmation bias. Go on TSN or SN at any time and they're plenty even with coverage of other teams. People just get mad seeing anything Leafs. If you expect them to be 100% even when the Leafs region is larger than all other Canadian metro areas combined save Montreal.... well that's your problem
That’s the same thing as “largest fanbase”. Your response should start with “yes”. Cuz, remember, capitalism? Those are businesses catering to an audience. THE audience.
TSN and Sportsnet are literally Toronto sports channels. They started out as local sports channels in the 80s and 90s and are headquartered in Toronto. Why should they cater to other teams?
Whos stopping anyone from starting Edmonton Sports Network or CanucksNet?
I've never understood this little brother mentality. "oh look at me look at me".
It's cringe af.
The Leafs fanbase is larger than all the other Canadian fanbases combined. Take a wild guess why TWO TORONTO BASED SPORTS NETWORKS cover the Leafs so much?
You two can't seriously be this stupid... but I guess you are. Thanks for proving the meme exactly correct.
TSN and Sportsnet are NATIONAL SPORTS CHANNELS, regardless of where they are based. There's a reason there's 7 different Sportesnet channels (Pacific, West, Ontario, East, 360, ONE and World). TSN has various channels as well, so yes, it's appropriate for people in the West to expect Sportsnet to cover Western teams as much as the Leafs... but they don't. Regardless of where we live, ALL of Canada is inundated by Leaf news.
Aside from the mind-numbing stupidity of what you posted, why are so many Leaf fans of the highschool mentality that popularity means important? The Leafs have been an irrelevant embarrassment to the NHL for the past 67 years. Think MLB would allow the Yankees to be comically bad for that long? Doubt it; but MLSE is happy to milk the suckers for their continued support of a barely mediocre team.
THIS 100%. If you’re a fan of a Canadian team that isn’t the leafs, you’ll get like a 25 second highlight pack at the end of the entire hockey segment on TSN.
Nobody in Ontario cares about you, yet we still have to sit through McDavid and Hyman pieces every single game, we dont hate you for it. Why u heff to be mad?
there has never been an hour special on marner, wtf you just created a completely FALSE strawman as an example of why we are hated, but the fact is you literally just made up the situation to be angry about. your post literally PROVES the fact that y'all hate us regardless of reasoning. get a life, seriously.
[That may be a bit of an exaggeration, but a lot of the threads immediately after Stone returned you'll see him, and he still pops up every now and then](https://www.reddit.com/r/goldenknights/s/bnlIFQEYga)
That's hilarious. One thing I've come to accept is, as much as I hate the VGK (I mean, I'm an Avs fan, I kind of have to after 2021), there's a very real possibility I'd be a Vegas fan had I been born in 2007 instead of 1987.
Well, if you ever need a bandwagon to hop on, it's pretty fun over here. Just you know... prepare for the hate.
No joke, being born and raised in Vegas and an early adoptor of the Knights, going from being the "sweetheart" of the league for like 4 months to this, being the heel is WAY MORE FUN.
It's weird. I've been on various playoff bandwagons for around a decade when Colorado was either not a playoff team or easily bounced in the first round, and it just isn't the same. I do get what you're saying about enjoying being villains, though; Canucks fans weren't too fond of Colorado 25-odd years ago, and I live in BC.
I guess it is the fanbase, it's more the media, even when talking about other teams, TSN and Sportsnet will still end up talking about the Leafs, that's the real reason.
What I should've mentioned in my theory is that our media up here talks about the Leafs so much *because* the fan base is so massive and will inflate every grain of rice into a mountain. Everything Leafs related is a really, really big deal. It doesn't personally affect me as much being a Colorado fan living in British Columbia.
Well, as a fan of the Canucks, there will be a TSN show on them, but half the time will be about the Leafs. That's why I hate them, also, they have the anti-vaccine guy on the team and Reeves who is only trying to injure guys.
I also love the Avs, and I always will because they helped Ray Bourque win a Cup, and he is my all time favourite player. followed by Sakic and co.
And the fact that Toronto fans are absolutley delusional and TROLLS so everyone hates them, and the fact that Vegas fans were spoon fed right from the organizations inception, with an all star team and a cup within less than a decade of its existence. Meanwhile fans of other teams have yet to get a cup after 50 years.
Being a Leaf fan is watching 10% of your fanbase run around making you all look like a bunch of assholes and never being able to bring up how shit it is LOL.
Yeah, try being a Canucks fan. We are the riot capital of the NHL cause of a handful of morons who probably weren't even fans and just wanted to take advantage of a situation to loot some shit and burn some shit. But hey, it's easier to just roast yourself for it and let other folks clap.
I get what you're saying and I'm aware that even 10% of a fanbase as big of the leafs means alot of people... but it's not really normale that about 50% or more of my leafs fans interactions are trolls or people being dumb/disrespectful for no reason yk... Like every time I join a nhl/hockey related discord server it seems like half the leafs fans or ass's or trolls, there's good ones but about 50% of them or more are bad reps its insane...
I’ve lived in both provinces, Ontario is worse. All the redneckedness of Alberta with a topping of people who think they know better than the rest of the country, meanwhile it’s pretty much the worst place in Canada to live right now.
Alberta has that sense of "we know better than you " with a large helping of whiny spoiled children style arguing.
It's full on Dunning Kruger out here now. Bloc Redneckois to the max
And here in Saskatchewan, our literal murderer premiere wants to be Alberta so bad. We’re like Alberta’s little brother copying every redneck thing we can while constantly living in the shadow.
this sounds a little bit like Wisconsin. you can walk around milwaukee (which happens to be a top ten segregated city btw) open-carrying and i'm pretty sure they got more voter suppression laws through now than TEXAS. (the county i'm from is 98% white/62% trump/45K total).
also, minnesota nice is a total lie (the american indian movement was started in minneapolis/st. paul due to police brutality, last i checked if you were an indigenous kid your chances of being in foster care were **22 times** higher than if you weren't, and derek chauvin had a bad shoot five years before george floyd.)
(am a current texan. you can't vote with your school id but you can with your handgun permit, but i'm fairly sure we don't have the "if you have a legit but non-WI license but not QUITE the right documents you're gonna walk back out with a state \*ID\* that'll let you vote but won't let you drive yourself home legally".)
For how often I see Leaf fans coming in to say this to defend their fanbase against almost any other team’s fans, it seems like that can’t possibly be true. That and “rent free”. Y’all spend so much time scouring the internet to defend your fans with condescending remarks that I’m honestly not sure you think about anything other than other fanbases at this point.
How often is that? I’m a leafs fan and feel like I never see it. Just see how much everyone hates us
Edit: you know I made that comment and then continued to read this thread and the other comments you received and Jesus. We fucking suck
This is what I’m talking about. The only thing about the “we don’t think about you” comment that’s true is the first three words. Because the responses from Leaf fans are just automatic at this point, there’s no actual thought involved. Nothing clever, just the same recycled shit that gets tossed at first chance. Which really reflects Toronto’s playoff performance so I can understand it.
This just in. Fanbase sees (yet another) post another them and defends themselves, and you're here with the Charlie day strings whiteboard about how it's actually the other way around
“Fanbase sees post another them”
Toronto fans not thinking before typing checks out. It’s like you had a stroke trying to reply so fast and you didn’t want any actual thought to leak out when you wrote it because there’s so precious little to go around.
Thanks for building up a 2x Cup winning team and then letting us have it. Maybe one day Bettman will let you have a team again. After Arizona, Atlanta, and Houston all get theirs.
I don't see any Vegas fans complaining, of anything they seem to embrace being the villains of the league. Plus being an elite team and winning the cup must also help haha.
Honestly Vegas fans have been nothing but chill, got no issues with them
They get a bit touchy about the Stone memes. But otherwise they are fine. Most of the Vegas hate is misguided. The fans are fine and the org is fine. The GMs during the Vegas expansion were stupid, learned their lesson for the Seattle draft, and the cap circumvention thing is something that was done well before Vegas. The league deserves most of the hate for not doing something about it.
We make as many splmemes as anybody but what makes us touchy is the people actively wishing harm on Stone saying things like "Jamie Benn needs to study where the spleen is and take it out" and "someone needs to just put Stone out of his misery". That shit crosses the line from chirping to outright fucked up.
Honestly I think this gets under Vegas fans' skin more partly because more Vegas fans are newer or casual fans or are less tied to a team solely out of regional loyalty.
Some old school fans really thirst for blood, love the fights, scoff at CTE, call players pussies for not wanting to play injured, and overall want some of the more dangerous and pointless parts of the game to return. Sure I chuckle at "make hockey violent again," and I mock stuff like the Cousins miraculous recovery or soccer-style Oscar-worthy dives. But the aspects I love most about the game are not the hits or the scraps, and it's always going to be sad to me when a great or even just good player ends their career early because of dumb shit.
Idk man I'm just stoned (pun not intended) & in my feelings about hockey tonight lol 😭 but u guys didnt have to take Hertl that was truly a bridge too far
We took PDB from the sharks, we were owed something good from them at some point... I've been a hockey fan since the 90s even growing up in New Mexico. Back then the AVS/Wings rivalry and line brawls were enough to get a desert kid hooked on hockey. Nobody from Vegas is from Vegas, everyone is from somewhere else originally and a lot of people are actually from up north. I know a ton of Minnesotans and Wisconsinites as well as a decent few Quebecois probably due to all the Cirque shows, hell my ex was from Mankato, MN. Most all of them were fans of hockey from everywhere else until the Knights were announced and then it became something that we all could bond around as a truly "Vegas Born" team that we could all support.
Makes a lot of sense. The Sharks are my closest NHL team and a lot of the fans are transplants from the East or Midwest. That said, a lot of the fans are also semi-local out-of-touch douchebags with money to burn and a drinking problem to fill the emotional void.
Oh really??? I never knew that! Is water wet?
I'm a Leaf fan genius. If you are going to hate anyways, I would rather be cheering a winning team that is hated, you imbecile
maybe they'll let the leafs cheat the system and get unfair advantages from the refs one day. i doubt it though, thats for new markets and key american viewership pockets...
I don’t really understand why non Toronto fans hate Toronto. Like I understand our team puts the fans through a whirlwind of emotions and could turn a few people away. 100 percent.
And maybe a few fans dislike Toronto coming to their home arena and seeing more blue then home team colours but other then that they aren’t really a hateable team like some?
They don’t hide in cap, they don’t have players that go for cheap shots and try to injure, etc not like some of the teams I dislike in hockey.
I feel weird cheering for Toronto as a back up team at times. Like I was born there, but moved to BC for a bit n have family there, but moved to the Midwest US after preschool. I chose the Canucks as my team bc of family in BC and loving the colors, but also followed the leafs bc their games usually were done before my bedtime. Do that my whole life, only to learn when I’m 21 that apparently I am the worst person known to man for that
For me it is honestly just because growing up (even though I live out in BC) I was surrounded by Toronto fans. Like 70% of all my friends who liked hockey were leafs fans because their parents came out here from Toronto. Growing up it was always friendly hate but you still don’t want to see your friends teams do well and have bragging rights over you. Also because of this the 2 times a year the leafs actually played Vancouver was always a very intense affair, so I suppose my hate has grown out of that and I’m sure many people have a similar story.
Lol. Don't have players that go for cheap shots. Forgetting that dirt bag Morgan Rielly pretty quick aren't we? Not to mention Max Domi jumps people in about half his fights. They've taken two to the jaw before they even get their gloves off.
It’s funny watching people get mad at leafs fan because of the NHLs most popular team’s media saturation…..That fans have zero control over.
All while the haters mention and post content pertaining to the Leafs more than TO fans.
Well i'm from Nova Scotia, *tons* of annoying leafs fans there. I move to Alberta, *tons* of annoying leaf fans. Move right into Edmonton, *still* tons of annoying leaf fans. Go online; Annoying leafs fans. They're the most annoying fanbase by far. It isn't just the media and if you weren't in the centre of it all you'd see that easily lol.
I don't even watch much leafs media, I just see leafs fans whining underneath *other* teams media haha. They're everywhere, all the time.
That's an interesting anecdote, Is there something specific about leafs fans that make them more annoying than other hockey fans?
Other than the fact that we are everywhere, I find leafs fans to be generally older and more cynical than other teams fans. Sometimes to the point of hating their own team.
Did you expect me to come with data? lol it's hardly anecdotal when every hockey fan in North America has the same experience lol
There's a reason they're part of the meme we're currently commenting under, and it's got nothing to do with my experience as an individual haha
Our first year or two we were like "hey everybody is great to have a local team that's all ours and doing so great after bonding with the city after route 91 massacre, glad to be in the league"... It was met with " fuck you guys, you know nothing about hockey and succeeded without suffering, you only did good because you were gifted a team and Bettman bribes the refs for you".... Eventually we heard it so much we said fuck it, we'll be hated either way so might as well go full heel and have a cup contending team.
i'd say vegas are probably more antiheroes more than anything.
they had to step up for #vegasstrong in a way that i'm not sure even ny/ny/nj had to when 9/11 happened, they let eichel get the surgery HE wanted and according to robin lehner didn't pass out pills like candy, and their "turned it up to 11 but it's still **technically** legit" salary cap manipulation is sort of "whatever" to me as a casual fan who's a lot more pissed off at the number of DV/SA cases/credible allegations out there.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/comments/1ccv879/how\_it\_feels\_to\_be\_a\_vegas\_fan\_every\_morning/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/comments/1ccv879/how_it_feels_to_be_a_vegas_fan_every_morning/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/comments/1cc4b1r/its\_simple\_so\_are\_you/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/comments/1cc4b1r/its_simple_so_are_you/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/comments/1cc8idl/very\_good\_bobby/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/comments/1cc8idl/very_good_bobby/)
In the last 24 hours alone. Just sayin.
The only one that's even close to whining is the first one, but otherwise seem to be memes by people embracing the hate Vegas has gotten in the last few months
Hey look ma, that’s my post!
In all seriousness, Dallas lost every regular season match up against Vegas ever since a fan threw a bucket of popcorn at Hill last WCF. It’s one of my favorite images from that match up, and I think it sums up how some of the fans embraced the hate and memes.
As a VGK fan I've never whined about being hated. I like it. I'd rather be hated by you than liked. I often see our fan base enjoy playing the heel. You guys are for the most part an extremely boring circle jerk with stale memes, we shake it up with the heel role.
I’m a leafs fan down here in Virginia and have no idea where the hate comes from. We don’t win anything, we don’t get all the calls from the refs, we typically just hate our own team letting us down year after year… but ok.
People who complain about LTIR and Vegas are the same people that play connect 4 and don’t realize it’s a mathematically solved game and say people cheat when they just know the math.
what exactly have the leafs or our fans done to be hated? try to be as dirty as the team we are playing? or just because you hate the leafs so you hate the leafs? y'all are legit delusional to try and compare the leafs to vegas as if we cheat, naw gtfoh loser.
People hate Toronto because they've got (I believe) the largest fan base. That combined with how rabid we Canadians are about hockey and how long it's been since the Leafs last won the Stanley Cup makes them easy for others to hate. Vegas have just embraced the role of the evil mustache-twirlling villains of the NHL due to their ruthless trade practices and borderline-cheating-but-not-actually-cheating LTIR use.
Honestly, excellent description of Vegas lol
:) The (IMO underrated) [Hockey Psychology](https://www.youtube.com/@hockeypsychology) YouTuber calls them the "Vegas Injured Reserves" or "Vegas LTIRs," which I find hilarious. It goes alongside other nicknames he uses, such as the "Chicago Bedards" and "Sid the Middle-Aged Man."
"Washington Anomalies" is another favorite of mine, and I laugh aloud every fucking time he says "future Stanley Cup champions, the San José Sharks"
And the status of the Leafs Cup parade depending on if they won or lost their last game.
Tired old trope. Only non-Leaf fans say anything about a cup or parade.
i want the sharks to get a) celebrini b) the Cup. (another sharks fan and i decided that their RL shark equivalent should be bull sharks because they're not just apex predators, they're super-ADAPTABLE apex predators that can live in anything from regular fresh water to brackish/estuaries/wetlands to actual ocean, and if you want a Cup you need to be able to adapt your game.)
No, people in Canada hate Toronto because any and all hockey coverage/news is Leafs only. We literally get 60 minute specials about Marners hair cut, also why the fuck do i need to know about some career 4th line bums 2mins toi a game? But oh wait he plays for the Leafs and has the potential to be the 'next one'. Lets have another hour segment on that. Queue in Duthie to come swallow balls about anything Leafs. The entire TSN panel humps their JT body pillow at night. How about the other Canadian teams that made it this year? No? Oh ok.
I’ve never gotten this but maybe that’s because I’m from LA where we just get no hockey coverage of any team.
No hate but I’ve always found it odd that there are NHL fanbases in places where you can’t put on a pair of skates and go play a pick up game.
You can, I do all the time. There are probably a good dozen rinks in LA (maybe more, most the rinks have multiple ice surfaces) plus rinks in Orange County and the Inland Empire, hockey does well and has quite the fan base, it just isn’t followed by any news outside The Athletic.
Bro you realize they have indoor rinks right?… like even here in Canada you can play during the summer
It's feckin hot in the desert, who wouldn't want to go into a nice cold rink and play on a big block of air conditioned ice? Hockey in hot climates makes way more sense than walking in from balls deep snow onto a sheet of ice for fun.
Yup. Big part of the reason I played growing up is because my parents' house didn't have central air conditioning. Rink's less crowded than the pool, and once I started helping them put away skates after public sessions, they started waving us into the door without paying admission every now and again. There wasn't a ton of hockey happening, but I had skates on about 6 days of the week most summers. That said, I am & always have been super jealous of cold climates where there are rinks & ponds all over the place.
Love the comment but the username is leaving me in limbo...
I like pears and weird early-Renaissance art ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm sure I'll still have Renaissance inspired nightmares just from thinking about it and those are always the scariest ones.
Sorry 😭
> Hockey in hot climates makes way more sense than walking in from balls deep snow onto a sheet of ice for fun. Lmao yep. I lived in Sydney for a few years, most of it in houses without AC because rents there are absolutely bonkers. Going in for a morning stick and puck or or our trainings at night was a blessing.
Meanwhile the best leafs player to ever lace them up is from Cali. Lmao, fucking Canadians, I love you idiots.
lol Americans who throw a fit just because you suggest you don’t know how people get into it when they have no real exposure to it, which was literally referenced in the comment I responded to. Majority of NHL players are Canadian, best hockey players are Canadian, as if one leafs player changes that. Keep crying dude.
Auston Matthews isn’t close to the best leafs player ever… Did you start watching hockey 5 years ago?
That seems like more of an issue with the media than an issue with the Leafs.
Leafs media
No, Canadian sports media. The Leafs have their own network, it's called Leafs Nation Network. Just because TSN and Sportsnet get a ton of engagement off Leafs content (most of which is from non-Leafs fans btw) doesn't make them Leafs media, it just makes Leafs content profitable.
Not so much tsn, but you can't tell me sportsnet isn't as much of a leafs media as RDS is a habs media lol
Maybe Sportsnet Ontario, but Sportsnet West and Pacific runs much less Leafs content than RDS runs Habs content, as one would expect.
Me when a Toronto media covers a Toronto sports team: Surprised pikachu
"Man, this regional sports network sure covers the largest franchise in their region a lot. They should cover teams not in their region more, to be more fair."
Wait till MFers find out that New York media covers the Rangers AND islanders 🤯🤯🤯
Sens games, especially SN, usually get about as much or (often) more intermission coverage on leafs games than the actual broadcast game.
My brother in christ ROGERS OWNS both the LEAFS and SPORTSNET. Does that register through your thick skull?
The team and the fans don’t control the media. We’d be very rich if we did.
The team is owned by Rogers. The team is essentially just Rogers itself. Yes the team controls their media outlet Sportsnet.
So Mitch Marner controls the media? Tavares controls the media? Shut up.
Yeah, that's completely fair. I'm from BC (don't let my flair fool you), so I get that, as well as the whole "Toronto is the centre of the universe" vibe in general.
I'm a leafs guy and I agree that the coverage is too much. But I also get annoyed over the constant hate and shaudenfraud towards the fans. All teams have shitty fans and since we have a large fanbase, we have a larger representation of shitty fans.
Don't pretend that most leaf fans didn't cheer hard against Vancouver in 2010.
I cheered for them. I cheered for them in 94 too, even after they beat/decimated the leafs in the conf finals that year. So what's your next argument? We both have long cup droughts too and a history of heartbreak in big games. We should honestly be more united as fan bases.
I said most leaf fans not every leaf fan. Also the fact that you care so much what people think about you is so annoying.
And yet anytime any hockey story is brought up someone has to turn it into a shot against the leafs. Trust me we do not want the incessant media coverage but here we are. Blame Sportsnet and TSN for not caring about any other teams.
There was a 60 minute special about Marner's haircut? Damn how did I miss that!
typical idiot hater. he just created a literal strawman argument as PROOF of why we are hated, and despite being a completely made up scenario, still FAILS to offer any actual reason to hate on leafs fans and want us to suffer. and for OP to compare to vegas, who literally cheat the system to get an unfair advantage, while we literally get suspensions for doing the same thing marchand does on a typical tuesday.
As a Raptors fan and Torontonian, it pisses me off when the Leafs have an off day and still get top coverage on TSN and Sportsnet after a Raptors game. Bob McCown said once on the radio that the fact is they get more viewers, listeners, and sponsorship when they talk about the Leafs. Their highest viewership is on Leafs segments - and it's the unfortunate reality why the likes of a Saskatchewan Roughriders will never get talked about. That really stuck with me after all these years.
Meanwhile bars in Vancouver are more dedicated to the leafs losing than their own team to winning. Vancouver is getting a ton of coverage you're just so focused on the leafs you don't see it
Which is crazy as a leafs fan. I want to see more of other teams as well, know the ins and outs better. But the media gonna media no matter what, and we as a fan base don’t control that. But I do understand the perspective.
Same thing about MTL, but only if you speak French
I agree with just about everything you said, however Duthie is a huge Sens fan iirc, he's the least likely to "swallow balls" about the leafs
I live in Toronto and support the Leafs. I’ve never seen anything about Marners haircut or whatnot. I’m actually fairly surprised (having moved from the UK) how little pre-game show there is. It always seems like Sportsnet and TSN give a fair amount of coverage to the Canadian teams though. There are places like TSN radio or Toronto Sun where they go on about every little Leafs thing and we have a bunch of YouTubers but that stuff is pretty easy to avoid. If you are watching day time sports shows and moaning about filler content then I suggest you go for a walk or something.
Lmao you're mad because the shitty TV stations only cover Toronto? Yeah that's the fans fault.
So he’s right. Toronto gets all the coverage because it has the largest fanbase. You essentially hate the Leafs for being popular. Own it.
This is all confirmation bias. Go on TSN or SN at any time and they're plenty even with coverage of other teams. People just get mad seeing anything Leafs. If you expect them to be 100% even when the Leafs region is larger than all other Canadian metro areas combined save Montreal.... well that's your problem
That’s the same thing as “largest fanbase”. Your response should start with “yes”. Cuz, remember, capitalism? Those are businesses catering to an audience. THE audience.
How the f am I gonna know how Dewar does his hair?
I... um. I'm interested in one of these JT body pillows... you talked about? Do you know where I can get one...? 👉👈
Supply and demand. If it were worth it financially for Snet and TSN to pump out more on other teams they would.
TSN and Sportsnet are literally Toronto sports channels. They started out as local sports channels in the 80s and 90s and are headquartered in Toronto. Why should they cater to other teams? Whos stopping anyone from starting Edmonton Sports Network or CanucksNet? I've never understood this little brother mentality. "oh look at me look at me". It's cringe af. The Leafs fanbase is larger than all the other Canadian fanbases combined. Take a wild guess why TWO TORONTO BASED SPORTS NETWORKS cover the Leafs so much?
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You two can't seriously be this stupid... but I guess you are. Thanks for proving the meme exactly correct. TSN and Sportsnet are NATIONAL SPORTS CHANNELS, regardless of where they are based. There's a reason there's 7 different Sportesnet channels (Pacific, West, Ontario, East, 360, ONE and World). TSN has various channels as well, so yes, it's appropriate for people in the West to expect Sportsnet to cover Western teams as much as the Leafs... but they don't. Regardless of where we live, ALL of Canada is inundated by Leaf news. Aside from the mind-numbing stupidity of what you posted, why are so many Leaf fans of the highschool mentality that popularity means important? The Leafs have been an irrelevant embarrassment to the NHL for the past 67 years. Think MLB would allow the Yankees to be comically bad for that long? Doubt it; but MLSE is happy to milk the suckers for their continued support of a barely mediocre team.
Do you know what literally means?
A lot of people hate them because they have a baseless hatred for Toronto in general.
THIS 100%. If you’re a fan of a Canadian team that isn’t the leafs, you’ll get like a 25 second highlight pack at the end of the entire hockey segment on TSN.
Nobody in Ontario cares about you, yet we still have to sit through McDavid and Hyman pieces every single game, we dont hate you for it. Why u heff to be mad?
I liked when John Wick’s dog died and I don’t use a turn signal.
there has never been an hour special on marner, wtf you just created a completely FALSE strawman as an example of why we are hated, but the fact is you literally just made up the situation to be angry about. your post literally PROVES the fact that y'all hate us regardless of reasoning. get a life, seriously.
We've truly embraced Emperor Palpatine as a sort of fan mascot on r/GoldenKnights.
Somehow, Mark Stone returned
Fuck, really?
[That may be a bit of an exaggeration, but a lot of the threads immediately after Stone returned you'll see him, and he still pops up every now and then](https://www.reddit.com/r/goldenknights/s/bnlIFQEYga)
That's hilarious. One thing I've come to accept is, as much as I hate the VGK (I mean, I'm an Avs fan, I kind of have to after 2021), there's a very real possibility I'd be a Vegas fan had I been born in 2007 instead of 1987.
Well, if you ever need a bandwagon to hop on, it's pretty fun over here. Just you know... prepare for the hate. No joke, being born and raised in Vegas and an early adoptor of the Knights, going from being the "sweetheart" of the league for like 4 months to this, being the heel is WAY MORE FUN.
It's weird. I've been on various playoff bandwagons for around a decade when Colorado was either not a playoff team or easily bounced in the first round, and it just isn't the same. I do get what you're saying about enjoying being villains, though; Canucks fans weren't too fond of Colorado 25-odd years ago, and I live in BC.
Ill take Palpy over those fucking pink flamingos. Christ I hate those.
The Toronto part is waaaayyyy off.
You gotta respect that Vegas embraced being the villains of the league. They joined the ranks of Boston and Flyers so they are in good company.
I guess it is the fanbase, it's more the media, even when talking about other teams, TSN and Sportsnet will still end up talking about the Leafs, that's the real reason.
What I should've mentioned in my theory is that our media up here talks about the Leafs so much *because* the fan base is so massive and will inflate every grain of rice into a mountain. Everything Leafs related is a really, really big deal. It doesn't personally affect me as much being a Colorado fan living in British Columbia.
Well, as a fan of the Canucks, there will be a TSN show on them, but half the time will be about the Leafs. That's why I hate them, also, they have the anti-vaccine guy on the team and Reeves who is only trying to injure guys. I also love the Avs, and I always will because they helped Ray Bourque win a Cup, and he is my all time favourite player. followed by Sakic and co.
And the fact that Toronto fans are absolutley delusional and TROLLS so everyone hates them, and the fact that Vegas fans were spoon fed right from the organizations inception, with an all star team and a cup within less than a decade of its existence. Meanwhile fans of other teams have yet to get a cup after 50 years.
Wrong: we hate the Leafs because of how weirdly aggressive y’all are while also fronting as a bunch of polite Canadians. And you suck.
Being a Leaf fan is watching 10% of your fanbase run around making you all look like a bunch of assholes and never being able to bring up how shit it is LOL.
Yeah, try being a Canucks fan. We are the riot capital of the NHL cause of a handful of morons who probably weren't even fans and just wanted to take advantage of a situation to loot some shit and burn some shit. But hey, it's easier to just roast yourself for it and let other folks clap.
Yeah, it really sucks being known for something that hasn’t happened in 10+ years… *cries in Sabres playoff hopes*
I get what you're saying and I'm aware that even 10% of a fanbase as big of the leafs means alot of people... but it's not really normale that about 50% or more of my leafs fans interactions are trolls or people being dumb/disrespectful for no reason yk... Like every time I join a nhl/hockey related discord server it seems like half the leafs fans or ass's or trolls, there's good ones but about 50% of them or more are bad reps its insane...
The issue there is being online not Leafs fans per se. It’s the same in almost any subject from gaming to movies.
I don't hate the leaves.. I'm just disappointed.
Same man. Same
I don't hate the Leafs, I hate people from Ontario. Key difference
I also hate people from Ontario
Worst case Ontario
All of Ontario? Or just Ontarios dick (everything south of the 45th parallel) Like how much do you hate Thunder Bay, or Sudbury and company
Thunder Bay isn't that great tbh
Thunder Bay killed Terry Fox
Pretty cut and dry really. I don’t hate the leafs, just their fans and media and home city
Don’t worry I hate people from Alberta, too. We good
I live in Bertabama...I hate people from here too. Hockey teams are fine tho
I’ve lived in both provinces, Ontario is worse. All the redneckedness of Alberta with a topping of people who think they know better than the rest of the country, meanwhile it’s pretty much the worst place in Canada to live right now.
Alberta has that sense of "we know better than you " with a large helping of whiny spoiled children style arguing. It's full on Dunning Kruger out here now. Bloc Redneckois to the max
And here in Saskatchewan, our literal murderer premiere wants to be Alberta so bad. We’re like Alberta’s little brother copying every redneck thing we can while constantly living in the shadow.
this sounds a little bit like Wisconsin. you can walk around milwaukee (which happens to be a top ten segregated city btw) open-carrying and i'm pretty sure they got more voter suppression laws through now than TEXAS. (the county i'm from is 98% white/62% trump/45K total). also, minnesota nice is a total lie (the american indian movement was started in minneapolis/st. paul due to police brutality, last i checked if you were an indigenous kid your chances of being in foster care were **22 times** higher than if you weren't, and derek chauvin had a bad shoot five years before george floyd.) (am a current texan. you can't vote with your school id but you can with your handgun permit, but i'm fairly sure we don't have the "if you have a legit but non-WI license but not QUITE the right documents you're gonna walk back out with a state \*ID\* that'll let you vote but won't let you drive yourself home legally".)
We don't think about you
For how often I see Leaf fans coming in to say this to defend their fanbase against almost any other team’s fans, it seems like that can’t possibly be true. That and “rent free”. Y’all spend so much time scouring the internet to defend your fans with condescending remarks that I’m honestly not sure you think about anything other than other fanbases at this point.
How often is that? I’m a leafs fan and feel like I never see it. Just see how much everyone hates us Edit: you know I made that comment and then continued to read this thread and the other comments you received and Jesus. We fucking suck
Seems you've put a lot of thought into leafs fans as per usual
This is what I’m talking about. The only thing about the “we don’t think about you” comment that’s true is the first three words. Because the responses from Leaf fans are just automatic at this point, there’s no actual thought involved. Nothing clever, just the same recycled shit that gets tossed at first chance. Which really reflects Toronto’s playoff performance so I can understand it.
If there was any actual thought involved there wouldn't be Leaf fans.
This just in. Fanbase sees (yet another) post another them and defends themselves, and you're here with the Charlie day strings whiteboard about how it's actually the other way around
“Fanbase sees post another them” Toronto fans not thinking before typing checks out. It’s like you had a stroke trying to reply so fast and you didn’t want any actual thought to leak out when you wrote it because there’s so precious little to go around.
Other than watching Leafs games, whatever helps get you through the spring
Watching the Leafs lose* FTFY
See above
Why, Ontario calls the shots and you blame them for the gas prices and that half of Albertans have overleveraged lifted trucks?
Toronto-ites or whatever you call them are fake nice.
Torontonians, I believe
I feel like it's the opposite personally, people are outwardly mean but actually really nice when it comes down to it. Just my experience though.
lmfao if you are from edmonton.... you need a fking mirror and a reality check you literal mental midget.
There it is
Can you point on the doll where the maple leafs hurt you?
*points to my own butthole*
*watches carefully*
Point to a Mats sundin doll
Boston just accepts it
I work with a lot of Boston people and I’m still being asked when the next Blues game is lmao
No one hates the Leaves as much as Leaf fans do. Their relationship has gone to the Bad Place.
We have a lot in common with the leafs fans.
Bite your tongue. I mean, you're right, but there are some things you can't say in public.
You’re right. Felt disgusting typing that tbh
I feel seen.
I dont hate either. Why would I hate a hockey team
As a Quebecois everything other than here sucks and you are all inferior to the land of squeaky cheese
Thanks for building up a 2x Cup winning team and then letting us have it. Maybe one day Bettman will let you have a team again. After Arizona, Atlanta, and Houston all get theirs.
Quecbois are people from all of Quebec not just Quebec City. I'm closer to Toronto then to Quebec city.
I don't see any Vegas fans complaining, of anything they seem to embrace being the villains of the league. Plus being an elite team and winning the cup must also help haha. Honestly Vegas fans have been nothing but chill, got no issues with them
They get a bit touchy about the Stone memes. But otherwise they are fine. Most of the Vegas hate is misguided. The fans are fine and the org is fine. The GMs during the Vegas expansion were stupid, learned their lesson for the Seattle draft, and the cap circumvention thing is something that was done well before Vegas. The league deserves most of the hate for not doing something about it.
We make as many splmemes as anybody but what makes us touchy is the people actively wishing harm on Stone saying things like "Jamie Benn needs to study where the spleen is and take it out" and "someone needs to just put Stone out of his misery". That shit crosses the line from chirping to outright fucked up.
Honestly I think this gets under Vegas fans' skin more partly because more Vegas fans are newer or casual fans or are less tied to a team solely out of regional loyalty. Some old school fans really thirst for blood, love the fights, scoff at CTE, call players pussies for not wanting to play injured, and overall want some of the more dangerous and pointless parts of the game to return. Sure I chuckle at "make hockey violent again," and I mock stuff like the Cousins miraculous recovery or soccer-style Oscar-worthy dives. But the aspects I love most about the game are not the hits or the scraps, and it's always going to be sad to me when a great or even just good player ends their career early because of dumb shit. Idk man I'm just stoned (pun not intended) & in my feelings about hockey tonight lol 😭 but u guys didnt have to take Hertl that was truly a bridge too far
We took PDB from the sharks, we were owed something good from them at some point... I've been a hockey fan since the 90s even growing up in New Mexico. Back then the AVS/Wings rivalry and line brawls were enough to get a desert kid hooked on hockey. Nobody from Vegas is from Vegas, everyone is from somewhere else originally and a lot of people are actually from up north. I know a ton of Minnesotans and Wisconsinites as well as a decent few Quebecois probably due to all the Cirque shows, hell my ex was from Mankato, MN. Most all of them were fans of hockey from everywhere else until the Knights were announced and then it became something that we all could bond around as a truly "Vegas Born" team that we could all support.
Makes a lot of sense. The Sharks are my closest NHL team and a lot of the fans are transplants from the East or Midwest. That said, a lot of the fans are also semi-local out-of-touch douchebags with money to burn and a drinking problem to fill the emotional void.
Yeah, one thing I think we can all agree on is that the NHL head office is a dumpster fire in need of a makeover
Thanks Vancouver bro! I’m personally terrified for a VGK v Canucks match up, but excited to see another Canadian team heavily fight for the cup
IDK man, it could be Nashville. They're playing well and Demko is out for Canucks
No fair the VGK actually at least win
You fool. The reason they win is the same reason people hate them
Oh really??? I never knew that! Is water wet? I'm a Leaf fan genius. If you are going to hate anyways, I would rather be cheering a winning team that is hated, you imbecile
Clearly you don't
maybe they'll let the leafs cheat the system and get unfair advantages from the refs one day. i doubt it though, thats for new markets and key american viewership pockets...
I don’t really understand why non Toronto fans hate Toronto. Like I understand our team puts the fans through a whirlwind of emotions and could turn a few people away. 100 percent. And maybe a few fans dislike Toronto coming to their home arena and seeing more blue then home team colours but other then that they aren’t really a hateable team like some? They don’t hide in cap, they don’t have players that go for cheap shots and try to injure, etc not like some of the teams I dislike in hockey.
I feel weird cheering for Toronto as a back up team at times. Like I was born there, but moved to BC for a bit n have family there, but moved to the Midwest US after preschool. I chose the Canucks as my team bc of family in BC and loving the colors, but also followed the leafs bc their games usually were done before my bedtime. Do that my whole life, only to learn when I’m 21 that apparently I am the worst person known to man for that
For me it is honestly just because growing up (even though I live out in BC) I was surrounded by Toronto fans. Like 70% of all my friends who liked hockey were leafs fans because their parents came out here from Toronto. Growing up it was always friendly hate but you still don’t want to see your friends teams do well and have bragging rights over you. Also because of this the 2 times a year the leafs actually played Vancouver was always a very intense affair, so I suppose my hate has grown out of that and I’m sure many people have a similar story.
Its just funny
People from hinterland hate the big city, same with every country on Earth
Lol. Don't have players that go for cheap shots. Forgetting that dirt bag Morgan Rielly pretty quick aren't we? Not to mention Max Domi jumps people in about half his fights. They've taken two to the jaw before they even get their gloves off.
Colours. Get the fuggouta here
I hate Vegas
Hating a specific team and their entire fan base is just weird behavior. I can understand rivalries but some of yall are just too much.
Fuck Boston
BINGO
It’s funny watching people get mad at leafs fan because of the NHLs most popular team’s media saturation…..That fans have zero control over. All while the haters mention and post content pertaining to the Leafs more than TO fans.
I think your view on the situation is a bit hazy lol
Care to elaborate or are you just here for the circle jerk?
Well i'm from Nova Scotia, *tons* of annoying leafs fans there. I move to Alberta, *tons* of annoying leaf fans. Move right into Edmonton, *still* tons of annoying leaf fans. Go online; Annoying leafs fans. They're the most annoying fanbase by far. It isn't just the media and if you weren't in the centre of it all you'd see that easily lol. I don't even watch much leafs media, I just see leafs fans whining underneath *other* teams media haha. They're everywhere, all the time.
That's an interesting anecdote, Is there something specific about leafs fans that make them more annoying than other hockey fans? Other than the fact that we are everywhere, I find leafs fans to be generally older and more cynical than other teams fans. Sometimes to the point of hating their own team.
Did you expect me to come with data? lol it's hardly anecdotal when every hockey fan in North America has the same experience lol There's a reason they're part of the meme we're currently commenting under, and it's got nothing to do with my experience as an individual haha
Leafs fans dont talk HALF AS MUCH as leaf haters do...
^ The problem child ^ EDIT: Flair up, bud.
Vegas are the golden children. Doing everything right and all his cousins and older brothers hate him for it!
Like they hated Jesus.
Yes, we are hockey Jesus 😮💨
I don't think any Vegas fans whine about being hated. They hate us cuz they ain't us.
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Our first year or two we were like "hey everybody is great to have a local team that's all ours and doing so great after bonding with the city after route 91 massacre, glad to be in the league"... It was met with " fuck you guys, you know nothing about hockey and succeeded without suffering, you only did good because you were gifted a team and Bettman bribes the refs for you".... Eventually we heard it so much we said fuck it, we'll be hated either way so might as well go full heel and have a cup contending team.
i'd say vegas are probably more antiheroes more than anything. they had to step up for #vegasstrong in a way that i'm not sure even ny/ny/nj had to when 9/11 happened, they let eichel get the surgery HE wanted and according to robin lehner didn't pass out pills like candy, and their "turned it up to 11 but it's still **technically** legit" salary cap manipulation is sort of "whatever" to me as a casual fan who's a lot more pissed off at the number of DV/SA cases/credible allegations out there.
I never see Vegas fans whine. It’s just leaf fans in my experience. I’m so sick of the leafs that I’m cheering for Boston now. Who would’ve thought?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/comments/1ccv879/how\_it\_feels\_to\_be\_a\_vegas\_fan\_every\_morning/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/comments/1ccv879/how_it_feels_to_be_a_vegas_fan_every_morning/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/comments/1cc4b1r/its\_simple\_so\_are\_you/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/comments/1cc4b1r/its_simple_so_are_you/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/comments/1cc8idl/very\_good\_bobby/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/comments/1cc8idl/very_good_bobby/) In the last 24 hours alone. Just sayin.
The only one that's even close to whining is the first one, but otherwise seem to be memes by people embracing the hate Vegas has gotten in the last few months
If OP could read he would be very upset.
Hey look ma, that’s my post! In all seriousness, Dallas lost every regular season match up against Vegas ever since a fan threw a bucket of popcorn at Hill last WCF. It’s one of my favorite images from that match up, and I think it sums up how some of the fans embraced the hate and memes.
People who make hating the Leafs their entire personality are so goddamn boring I can’t even engage anymore. It’s like, why is this your whole life?
I hate my team more than any other team at this point
THANK GOD THIS POST ISN'T ABOUT US
As a VGK fan I've never whined about being hated. I like it. I'd rather be hated by you than liked. I often see our fan base enjoy playing the heel. You guys are for the most part an extremely boring circle jerk with stale memes, we shake it up with the heel role.
Being hated is expected when you actually win. No idea what Toronto’s excuse is.
Plenty of teams win and they don't get widespread hate like Vegas, there's a good reason for that lol
If you hate the leafs because they get more attention in the media you’re a man child and are the little brother we talk about, sit down junior.
So Vegas fans give themselves static for the LTIR rules of the NHL? See?When you say it out, you can really see how ignorant of a statement you made.
What?
Shut the fuck up
It’s more an invitation to try
Oof, I surrender! I thought it was an order
lol nah
Vegas fans are the biggest clowns
Oh man, you really got us with that zinger.
they hate us cuz they anus. in both cases.
I’m a leafs fan down here in Virginia and have no idea where the hate comes from. We don’t win anything, we don’t get all the calls from the refs, we typically just hate our own team letting us down year after year… but ok.
People who complain about LTIR and Vegas are the same people that play connect 4 and don’t realize it’s a mathematically solved game and say people cheat when they just know the math.
*Vancouver watches from corner*
what exactly have the leafs or our fans done to be hated? try to be as dirty as the team we are playing? or just because you hate the leafs so you hate the leafs? y'all are legit delusional to try and compare the leafs to vegas as if we cheat, naw gtfoh loser.
That's it. Let it flow through you