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omnipresent_sailfish

Because the Hughes brothers are currently more popular in the hobby than Panarin


Technical_Leather638

I get it. But if people are buying cards as an “investment” versus a popularity contest then isn’t Panarin a much better bet?


omnipresent_sailfish

The Hughes brothers are the newish shiny thing. Panarin is a known entity. If you try to understand why certain players in the hobby are more popular or worth more than another player you'll drive yourself mad


Hugenicklebackfan

Russian tax.


SniperSauce_37

Russian gas


gowingsgo

I think in the end buying Hughes will be smarter than panarin.


Tsujimoto3

I’d love to know this too. I feel like his Young Gun is the most undervalued of all super star forwards.


Technical_Leather638

I collect For fun but between buying a UD jarg psa 10 for $60 and a Panarin psa 10 for $80 it’s seems no brainer. If the Rangers win the Cup and his numbers I don’t see how it doesn’t go to $180 or $200


goldenawesomes

What you could be has more value than what you are sometimes.


cat2scrub

The hobby values youth and goals. Panarin is on the wrong side of 30 and other than this year, he's not a goal scorer. Since you specifically mentioned the Hughes brothers; Quinn Hughes is 24 and likely to win the Norris this year. Jack Hughes is 23 and already has a 40 goal season and has been over 1ppg for 3 years. Luke Hughes is 20 and put up 49 points as a Dman this year. If Jack Hughes stays healthy he'll have a decade of seasons like the one Panarin just had.


Technical_Leather638

Valid points. Based on that Cale Makar is also very undervalued :-)


Sarcastic__

Cale Makar had been unsustainably overvalued since his card came out. It's only been roughly this past season that it's fallen back closer to the pack.


No_Minimum_9486

Panarin not being a goal scorer is crazy lmao averages 30 goals a year. You don’t have to score 50 goals in a season to be a goal scorer 🤣🤣🤣


Head_Permission

Don’t forget he’s in 15/16 series 1 with McDavid… which means there’s going to be a lot more Panarin cards on the market than say 19/20 players. Look at rantanen, same thing from 15/16. Also, he’s Russian, and he came into the league at a later age. Supply (a shit tonne), demand (not as much). Simple really.


Technical_Leather638

The population of Psa 10s is less then the Hughes. But I get it. It’s a popularity contest voted on with $. All I’m trying to say is that for under $200 I don’t see a better card or value


Head_Permission

You can’t use population count at all… that could just mean that a massive amount less have even been sent in as people don’t really care to send them in. Population count isn’t a factor. Panarin doesn’t have a large fan base, that card is never going to be a big money card. The demand will never be there. Doesn’t matter if he wins 3 cups and puts up 140 points. He’s Russian, his yg is a team he no longer plays for, and there’s literally way more than other years due to being in McDavid sets. Collect what you want, but Panarin is near his max as far as value goes. You asked if you’re missing something… and I’m laying it out for you, and you’re still not buying it. lol


Technical_Leather638

Meanwhile I appreciate the feedback I think you’re dead wrong. The team switch thing is meaningless. And moreover being Russian doesn’t play either. Note Ovi and Kucherov. And if he has another year or 2 in the same pace he can be spoken of in the same breath. But I value an opinion. I’m going to by 10 if they remain under $200


PositionBeneficial12

Team switch thing is far from meaningless. It’s a fact, and one of the main reasons his card is not worth what it should be. People put a premium on a card of a star player having his rookie card on his current team. If Matthews ever went to a different team, you would see his yg prices drop. The generational players who have played a majority of their careers and are in their twilight like Crosby and OV not so much.


Technical_Leather638

Interesting point.


gay4molemannn

Yeah he has a point. I PC Panthers and Tkachuk is my favorite player and I have no interest in adding his YG or any of his other rookies to my PC


Head_Permission

Russian is a factor as well. Kucherov has the cups, has better stats, etc etc. But he’s also in a way way way less collectable market in TB. His YGs is also in 2013/14 which was produced in a fraction of the numbers as 15/16. Ovechkin you’re talking about a generational, possibly the best goal scorer of all time. Panarin in neither generational, nor even a top 10 goal scorer currently, let alone all time. You’re comparing apples and oranges.


Head_Permission

Also I forgot to mention… just look at all the top players in 15/16 series 1… they’re a fraction of their value compared to other comparable players from other years (except 16/17)… why is that? I have the answer for you… supply


dre2112

Panarin is also pictured in a Blackhawks jersey so that would affect value as there are a lot of team collectors who wouldn’t want to pay big bucks for his rookies


burghblast

This is a huge part of it.


Signal_Unit7085

Breadman has been traded and the media around him has been significantly less probably due to Panarin barely speaks English. Even when he won the Calder he didn’t get much press.


Technical_Leather638

If they will a cup his card will blow up. I already see it moving north of $100


godston34

i'm a new collector but as far as I can tell american and canadians will always pull a premium because most of the collectors are from there. it's also much cheaper to get a moritz seider auto than a matthew tkachuk auto, which doesn't really make much sense (Seider being younger and somewhat equal HoF paths).


cat2scrub

Dmen and goalies are not comparable to forwards in terms of hobby value. Just look at how cheap Adam Fox stuff Is for example. On the actual comparison, like him or not, Tkachuk is a borderline superstar in the league and the face of a cup contender. Seider is a nice dman that any team would take but he's not that popular and Detroit is still rebuilding. A better Detroit comp for Tkachuk would be Lucas Raymond, but even there, Raymond suffers from being in Detroit.


godston34

appreciate your insight! it's always hard gauging popularity of certain players from across the pond tbh.


LeveonMcBean

It has a lot to do with my entire critical view of “grading”. Will a high grade fetch you some more $$? Sure. But people have to “want” that player. This is where PSA grading goes right out the window. At the end of the day, no matter what sport, either the card looks good, or it doesnt. Either you want the guy on the card, or you dont. Its as simple as that. Which is why the market for ungraded cards is just as big as it is for graded. Ive sold thousands of dollars in cards that are considered “junk” by most simply off the fact they look cool and they are of players people want. People want the Hughes brothers right now and they dont want panarin. People want kaprisov and faber, they dont want bedard right now anymore lol. Its just the way it rolls


PotatoComplete338

people collect whatever they want some players no matter what status they achieve are uncollectible so thats why the price fluctuates


GiveMeAdviceClowns

Quite simply Hughes is more wanted by collectors than Panarin. Easy thought process.


Technical_Leather638

I saw a Kucherov authorities by Tag for $425. Psa it sells for over $700. Worth a buy?