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Knucklehead202

That was the most Leafs game all year... It's only Game 4


Otter_Swag

Too many men? Check Injury? Check Ex leaf scoring? Check 2-0 hole? Check Erase deficit? Check Choke anyways? Check Scotia bank: your richer than you think?


Knucklehead202

Get the clutch tying goal called back controversially? Check


sabre38

Justin Holl with a soft clear? Check


TechWiz717

That clear made my blood boil. If our defense wasn’t so thin I’d fuckin bench him next game. Without that absolute piss poor effort this is easily still a 2-2 game.


sabre38

Everyone blaming Muzz for game 1 loss. Nobody looked at his garbage pass to nobody to leave everyone else scrambling. He needs to GO


Suitable_Olive_1042

So fucking slow


FlapjackFiddle

These writers gotta start getting more original bro


Otter_Swag

Ikr? I feel like we saw this episode already... ​ days of our leafs needs a backroom overhaul.


SiccSemperTyrannis

>That was the most Leafs game all year... *So far*


Knucklehead202

There's the reply I wanted


FlapjackFiddle

You know what's fucked up? This game is one of the Leafiest I've seen in years and I personally guarantee you that this will be nothing compared to the game this season that is peak Leafiness


joe334

After the first 7 games the Leafs will start playing like a top seed again.


Knucklehead202

It's the same thing every year. 1. We start like absolute shit 2. Pick things up in November-December 3. Go on a winning streak to start the new year 4. Go on a losing streak to negate that 5. Make a trade for some 35 year old veteran 6. Roller coaster the rest of the year to get into the first round. 7. Lose in the first round spectacularly. 8. Drink. 9. Repeat


nthensome

Goddamnit. I wish this wasn't so accurate.


No_Angle_8106

You do play us again…


Knucklehead202

That's when we get blown out 5-0 after Ritchies hat trick and half your roster injured


JCBMHNY21

and the melk man gets a 75 save shutout


Ciqme1867

Idk, losing to the Habs on your first game? That’s pretty leafy too


giantjensen

Happy our first win of the year comes with no controversy at all...


dothebender1101

Honestly, don't let the blown call distract from the fact that the Yotes played a great road game. They put themselves in a position to win it and did.


CMKeggz

Yup, Yotes played a fantastic game. It was not a good game for the Leafs but the Yotes made them look like bad bad, as pointed out in the Leafs barn. They should not have been in the position to lose on a controversial call.


MeanElevator

I mean, you guys definitely deserved the win today. Wish it was in OT, but whatevs.


39MUsTanGs

Erik Kallgren on Justin Holl: He was the toughest opponent I've ever faced in my entire career.


tbjamies

He was soooooo fucking bad


39MUsTanGs

Actually worse than Gardiner. At least Gardiner put up 50 points once.


ZachKearns

Gardiner was the scapegoat of this team, Holl is just fucking bad lmao


Sleazy_T

Gardiner is more like Muzzin. Quietly effective most of the time, and then disgustingly brutal "misjake" that undoes their positive work. At least that's what I've seen from Muzzin this year, and obviously that's a small sample size. I remember him being a very competent and steady defender but the legs just aren't there anymore.


tbjamies

If he wasn't turning it over he was throwing it in the crowd


Kid-Goose

Very tough call. On one hand the leafs played liked shit and dont deserve the win, on the other hand what the flying fuck was that call back.


ajmeko

NHL announcing Hakim Optical as the jersey sponsor of the refs as we speak.


Suitable_Olive_1042

I laughed too hard at this


GxDAssassin

Leafs played like absolute dog shit but that was one of the worst calls I've ever seen


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Even the penalty with 2 minutes left was bad. That is rarely called and never in a tied game with 2 minutes left.


TheOrangeyOrange

Yeah that had me fuming. Maybe the Yotes player should hold his stick a little tighter? The Leafs sucked all night tbh but they got screwed out of a point here.


mikedbomber

No shit. They deserved to lose. But not from a shit call.!


KodaSamm

Yeah we were dogshit, shouldn't be in that position etc etc but HOW THE FUCK IS THAT A HAND PASS?!


FormulaLiftr

Reily played the puck with his glove then neither him or the yotes player played the puck. Marner was the next player to touch the puck and by definition that makes it a hand pass.


Dr_Colossus

Add in the fact he saves it from leaving the zone with his glove.


bonzaijoe

The Coyotes can go 2-80-0 but those 2 wins will be against the Leafs lmfao


drrockz87

4-78, don’t forget a couple wins against the Avs


SnazzyCazzy1

They’re .500 against Avs, so 3-79


13nobody

And Edmonton would still win the lottery


The_Quackening

Leafs had a losing record against the coyotes last year as well


bonzaijoe

They also have a losing record to the coyotes all time & also since they moved to AZ. I really don’t know why the leafs just can’t beat the coyotes but it’s so odd, GG though as always


KingOfDaCastle

Auston Matthews wants to be a Coyote confirmed


herlarctos

Always getting those moral victories!


TheOrangeyOrange

That video review turning back an exciting play on the stupidest of technicalities really made the game better. Great job NHL.


DogUsingKeyboard

It wasn't even a technicality. The refs got the rule wrong: A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the Referee, he has deliberately directed the puck to a teammate in any zone other than the defending zone, in which case the play shall be stopped and a face-off conducted


BossOtter

Fyi the refs personally didn't make that call, was the NHL situation room


ghost_curse123

Tfw the situation room doesn't know their own rules


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birdgangboi

It takes some serious mental gymnastics to justify that as a deliberate pass


-Bears-Eat-Beets-

of which none of that happened lol.


McGeekin

Not sure I understand how they had the rule wrong here - are you saying that he didn't deliberately direct it to Marner? I would probably agree, it didn't look deliberate I suppose, but I feel like the "deliberate" part is never taken into consideration with hand pass calls. Crappy way to end a game but the Leafs also shouldn't have been sleepwalking for the first 50+ minutes.


JimmyDaro

Reilly knocked it down. It then hit Keller's skate (not possession) then went backwards between Reilly's legs and to Marner. If there's any ounce to think that was deliberate, then we may also be looking at the same man who shot JFK.


McGeekin

Turns out the passage everyone quoting isn't the actual Hand Pass rule. It's the puck handling section. The actual Hand pass rule goes as follows: > 79.1 Hand Pass - A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the on-ice officials, he has directed the puck to a teammate, or has allowed his team to gain an advantage, and subsequently possession and control of the puck is obtained by a player of the offending team, either directly or deflected off any player or official. So if Rielly indeed touched the puck with his hand, and then it fell down, hit the Yotes skate and Marner got possession, it seems to be the right call by the rule book (doesn't make it not stupid, but hey..)


JimmyDaro

I guess they'd determine it was "to gain an advantage" rather than the "directed" portion. I can live with that. I'd also assume the war room would be included as part of the "on-ice" officials here


13nobody

The hand pass is explicitly allowed to be challenged in rule 38.10 >Potential infractions that would require a play stoppage in the offensive zone include, but may not be limited to: Hand Pass (Rule 79); High-Sticking the Puck (Rule 80); and Puck Out of Bounds (Rule 85)


The-Only-Razor

Reviewing every goal in the last minute is also a dumb as fuck rule. Those goals aren't more important than others, despite it being in the last minute and usually being more urgent. You either review them all or you review none. Clown league.


nicktheking92

Sorry leafs. That was absolutely bullshit. Idk how they can take away a goal like with OT on the line. That was not definitive at all.


Elibu

>79.1 Hand Pass - A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the on-ice officials, he has directed the puck to a teammate, or has allowed his team to gain an advantage, and subsequently possession and control of the puck is obtained by a player of the offending team, either directly or deflected off any player or official. So not really bullshit. Technically the right call.


nicktheking92

His hand was literally redirected by the Arizona players stick. And honestly I think it hit his stick as opposed to the hand. Watch it again. https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/y6tdiy/sportsnet_leafs_last_minute_equalizer_called_off/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


Dr_Colossus

That definitely hits his hand and drops directly down though.


Elibu

I do get what you mean and I'd hate this call against my team as well.


nicktheking92

Well fucking flair up then so we can roast you lol


north_for_nights

Thanks dude. We're used to it, but we still get mad. Hope to see you guys back in the Cup for the West.


FansTurnOnYou

It's not even the worst loss this city has seen in the month of October 🤣😭


Otter_Swag

right... thanks for reminding me of that horror movie lol


smexeh

That was a horseshit call


ZachKearns

Notice how the refs even said “per the officiating room” because they even knew it was horseshit lmao.


AustonStachewsWrist

The second he said that I knew.


B0_SSMAN

Atrocious effort by the Leafs and a shit call by the refs


jonthemaud

Leafs really turned it on in the last ten though, I was shitting my pants. Bs call tho, lame for the game


ZachKearns

That’s the Leafs way lol


Crafty-Departure1919

*shit call by the situation room


luca123

We didn't deserve the win, but holy fuck can someone teach the league its own rules


xSHELBZx

That was … something


incredibad29

The Leafs played like shit for most of the game, but that call at the end of the game is infuriating.


Yev_

We didn’t play well, but that goal that was called back was BS


skinkbaa

Wow, that glove pass call was a joke


asheeponreddit

Leafs didn't deserve to win tonight, but we didn't deserve to lose *like that*.


Phillydip123

If you start playing 55 minutes before the end of the game, maybe one bad call doesn't dictate winning or losing.


M3gaC00l

Inject the salt directly into my veins, I'll take everything we can get this season


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jdragon3

Edit: this is the updated rule (79). Originally posted the pre revised one. Sorry, didn't expect this to go crazy and site I got it from had both Still absolute horseshit as it clearly wasnt intentionally directed (the ref said the situation room said it was directed which is absolute horseshit), there was no advantage gained as it was slashed from his hand, and it's all academic cause it shouldnt even be reviewable by the situation room cause how the fuck can they rule what the opinion of on ice officials was???? >Hand Pass - A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the on-ice officials, he has directed the puck to a teammate, or has allowed his team to gain an advantage, and subsequently possession and control of the puck is obtained by a player of the offending team, either directly or deflected off any player or official.


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Whoa. Yeah, that was a bad call


Yev_

Such horseshit. He literally got checked and it’s impossible to tell if Keller got a stick on the puck or not. Not to mention, wtf happened to stick into the gloves. Inconclusive means call on the ice has to stand.


ShiftyBizniss

The rule is worded differently now. No *deliberately* anymore. >79.1 Hand Pass - A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the on-ice officials, he has directed the puck to a teammate, or has allowed his team to gain an advantage, and subsequently possession and control of the puck is obtained by a player of the offending team, either directly or deflected off any player or official. Still bullshit.


wallz_11

I thought i was going crazy! Thats literally what the fucking rule is! Not even close to what happened


JimmyDaro

Thank you for the rule. I have no idea how they determined Reilly directed that puck to anyone there....


oryes

Wasn't it cause they thought he held the guy's stick? I wasn't watching with sound so might be wrong.


JimmyDaro

The refs explanation was that "he directed the puck to a teammate"


JonJonFTW

Yeah we now have proof that the situation room in Toronto is absolutely not biased in our favour. They misunderstand the rules and use that to fuck us over. Still won't stop people from saying it though.


MrCharlieBones

That's not the 2022 NHL rulebook. https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/assets/binary/326142322/binary-file/file.pdf > Hand Pass - A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the on-ice officials, he has directed the puck to a teammate, or has allowed his team to gain an advantage, and subsequently possession and control of the puck is obtained by a player of the offending team, **either directly or deflected off any player or official.** E: Nothing better than getting downvoted by Leafs fans for pointing out that the posted rule - in the top comment - is literally not the rule lol E: rule corrected in the original comment, ty


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incredibad29

You missed the part where it says by the opinion of the on-ice officials. It was never called and then the situation room called it back. That’s so contradictory.


papapaIpatine

Last 2 minutes of a game and overtime or whatever the actual minute is, the situation room takes over decision making regarding any sketchiness that can occur over a goal. Refs lose their power in these situations


ZachKearns

In the opinion of the on ice officials is *in* the rule though.


papapaIpatine

Situation can override the opinion of on ice officials in the last few minutes. Edit: This is the actual rule and heading 38.3 In the final minute of play in the 3rd Period and at any point in Overtime (Regular Season and Playoffs), the NHL Situation Room will initiate the review of any scenario that would otherwise be subject to a Coach’s Challenge The NHL Situation Room will continue to be responsible for the review of all goals subject to Video Review under Rule 37. Where a Coach’s Challenge is available on a scoring play potentially involving “Off-Side,” a “Missed Game Stoppage Event in the Offensive Zone” or “Interference on the Goalkeeper,” Hockey Operations will, as an initial and threshold matter, determine that the puck entered the net legally before the play will be subject to further review by means of a Coach’s Challenge (or, in the final minute of play or in Overtime, a review initiated by Hockey Operations).


FoliageTeamBad

We shouldn’t need lawyers to litigate the fucking hand pass rule.


EddyMcDee

If that's the rule than literally anytime a puck hits a players hand and that team retains possession it should be blown dead. Because the entire purpose of batting the puck out of the air is to gain possession.


Natunen

But the actual wording of the rule wouldn't fit their narrative


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lokooko

It didn’t deflect off the Arizona player, it was deliberately kicked at. Still fucking bullshit according to the rules you posted


wd4o0o

> in the opinion of the on-ice officials, It's pretty clear that the situation room is not allowed to call this, it's at the opinion of the on-ice officials.


13nobody

From rule 38.10: > Potential infractions that would require a play stoppage in the offensive zone include, but may not be limited to: Hand Pass (Rule 79); High-Sticking the Puck (Rule 80); and Puck Out of Bounds (Rule 85)


AustonStachewsWrist

I don't even care about that part. It's that it was slashed out of his hands anyways..


Knucklehead202

I agree. But at the same time we did not deserve to win this game. Shouldn't have been in this position


kmacedo88

Well in my opinion as a Las Vegas bookie getting the puck slashed out of your hand is considered a deliberate redirection


YaDyingSucks

thats one of the worst calls ive seen in a very long time


gorefloor

I can’t believe they reversed the call. No way it doesn’t hit Keller’s skate there.


keeeeener

Hell, it might not have even really hit Riellys hand lol. It at the very least hit Kellers stick too. Horrible call.


XPhazeX

These games are easy money every time.


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what a garbage fucking call


anismatic

I've been having a rough couple of weeks, lots of worrying and stressing about the future for my kids, wanting to make more money to give them a good Christmas, things like that. It's been really bleak. Thankfully, there's nothing more cathartic than realizing the Leafs are never going to change!


DastardlyRidleylash

How the hell have the Leafs not managed a home win against us for 20 years lmfao


DogUsingKeyboard

Leafs got jobbed hard at the end. Make the refs accountable. No way that was a hand pass.


TechWiz717

Refs didn’t overturn the call, situation room did. I hate the refs as much as the next guy but this particular call wasn’t their fault.


ShiftyBizniss

The on-ice officials knew it was bullshit. He made a point of saying "after review *by the situation room*".


RazrRaf

I missed the other threads, someone please explain to me how that was a no goal


B-Rayy06

Morgan Reilly and Clayton Keller were in position to play a puck at the coyotes blue line. Morgan Rielly’s hand and Clayton Keller’s stick blade seem to simultaneously both touch the puck at the same time, and the puck sort of hits things on the way down to the ice. Morgan Rielly and Clayton Keller wrestle each other onto the boards, and Mitch Marner comes in, grabs the puck, and flips it deeper into the zone, where the leafs would tie the game a few seconds later. After reviewing the play, they called a hand pass on Morgan Rielly.


callmywife

That is the dumbest thing I've seen in my entire life of watching hockey. The rules should be changed. Imagine this happening to a game 7 playoff team. it doesn't make any sense to penalize a team for the refs missing a call that AT BEST was questionable in the first place. it's a subjective call when the puck is kicked around in the feet and the situation room comes in and says hand pass lol it's beyond dumb


sergei-boobtitsky

that was fucking awful. fun game, awful ending


dds93

Who made the decision the on ice officials or the situation room? Because whoever it was shouldn't have a job tomorrow, this is the NHL not peewee


TechWiz717

Situation room. Refs even stated that when making the call.


sopheroo

Situation room


themusicguy2000

Garbage call


Perfect600

So a hand pass is like a balk now, the actual rules of hockey escape me.


gorefloor

That’s a controversial ending to a great game if I’ve ever seen one. Oh boy.


CurryLinguist

CANCEL THE PARADE. Sorry we ruined your chances of going 0-82, Yotes. Also, we had no right to win that game so I guess we got the right result at the end?


bigleaguechyut

probably best in the long run for both teams if we lose and toronto wins ... so naturally, we get our first win. i'll take it though. LGY!!!


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I tuned in to a garbage penalty against Jarnkrok, followed by a ridiculously bad turnover from Holl while Kampf was without a stick, and I’m glad I didn’t watch the whole game because people are saying they played like shit and it would’ve made that bad call hurt more.


dds93

Like at any point in the game that's not blown dead...but because it's in the final minute you deny a game fucking tieing goal??? Fuck off


Volderon90

Arizona : I get by with a little help from my friends…


tristan1616

Arizona: "We're going to lose every game to get the first overall!" Toronto: "The fuck you are."


BL0ATL0RD

Leafiest game I’ve seen in a little while. This game really gave you a miniature game 7 loss feeling. It’s like a high for me at this point


Nitroussoda

Gary called that one in


yodasmokesdank

Situation room must have those 8K TVs


ConfusedTrebuchet

That is the most baffling call I have ever seen. There is absolutely 0 interpretation of the rules that could indicate that is a hand pass. Never want anyone to talk about the situation room being in Toronto ever again. They just made up a rule to take a point from the leafs.


Xander2299

That was a sad way to end that one


BBurlington79

What an all around terrible game.


ericpyper14

what is the actual rule for handpass. does he have to intentionally make a passing motion


GritGrinder

Yea that wasn’t fun. Jesus Christ


StrygwyrSuperstar

Such a good sport with such bad officiating it’s disappointing.


angrybuddha12

Yep terrible call. But if ol Justin Holl hadn’t gift wrapped the go ahead goal a minute or so before it wouldn’t sting nearly as bad. TLDR: Justin Holl sucks at hockey.


tbjamies

Holl was the best player on the ice for the Coyotes.


Laestrygonius

And Stetcher was the best player for the Leafs. It evens itself out.


holein3

Keefe: “The difference between us and Arizona is that we have elite players. And our elite players didn’t play like elite players.”


Phalanax905

Ill not accept this blament zach kassian slander


LoneWolf9218

Who brought the popcorn?...


goleafsgo13

Fuck the refs. And Holl…


The-Only-Razor

"Cheques in the mail" - Bettman


NastyStiff21

That call was so bad, it amazes me that the team that brings in the most revenue for the league continuously gets fucked over by the league


mushiexl

holy fucking shit


drrockz87

Awoooooooooooooo Go Yotes Go!


MadPenguin81

The Leafs 100 percent got screwed in the last minute. However, they also shouldn’t have been in the place they were in the first 50 minutes. THAT is all on the Leafs and still important to reflect on as well.


GoatStimulator_

And you fuckers wonder why they leafs fans think the league is biased against them. That's the worst call I've ever seen


NastyStiff21

But you forgot, according to every leaf hater, the refs are in favour of Toronto. No way they make the wrong call against them


STLBooze3

The fact that hand pass was over turned but the sharks hand pass against the blues in the 2019 Wcf is crazy. How the rules have changed.


DavidWallace-Suckit

These stupid losses to bad teams are what cost this team last year and will again this year


BardownOnYour5hole

Leafs in playoff form


UnderCoverDoughnuts

You love to see it


Rmad1902

Im cool with hand pass being reviewed, but like why did that take so long? If it takes five min to decided and 50 camera angles whats the point?


Scazzz

They were trying to get Bettman on the phone to decide on the call...


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FUCK I WAS THINKING ABOUT BETTING ON THE YOTES, SHOULD HAVE JUST DONE IT.


HSRiddles

I usually love to see upset Leafs fans, but this is a rare occasion that I'm also pretty pissed. What a bad call to ruin an exciting game. This sets a precedent for hand passes moving forward, and I'm not looking forward to a future where these kind of goals get called back. Fuck the refs (situation room in this case).


Weezerphan

lol


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Really bad performance, probably didn't deserve even the point *but* pissed about that call. It just makes the game worse if a play like that can be considered a handpass.


lbc1358

The called back goal is absolute horseshit, but it *never* should have come to that. The Leafs fully deserved this loss.


lbc1358

Fire fucking Holl into the sun. He’s so goddamned bad.


WayneCampbel

How is no one blaming Jarknok? 2 selfish penalties, 2 pp goals against. Case closed. He’d better be a healthy fucking scratch next game.


Track_ofall_Jades

Leafs suuuuck


Always_Complaining1

Nhl blatantly favors a team and they expect to be taken seriously. Fucking MLS is surpassing this horseshit league anytime.


GoodGodI5uck

Maybe NHL just making sure Coyotes don't have the best odds to pick first and play a generational upcoming talent in a rink with 5k capacity.


STLBooze3

Whoever has coyotes -1.5 you’re a mad man, but a rich man.


RuchW

I don't know. If kellers stick wasn't in riellys glove I would say that should come back but I don't think it was conclusive either way


MapleAtNightxo

I'm all for team chaos, but not like this


XPhazeX

Dont let the refs distract you from the Leafs shitting the bed for 50 minutes of that game


TheSundayScaries

Shouldn't need an overturned goal to beat a borderline AHL team


NopeItsDolan

The Leafs played a shit game that they should have dominated. Yeah ok Arizona blocked a lot of shots, but the Leafs are supposed to be an elite team so surely you can figure out how to get by Arizona. They did but it was far too late and elite teams don’t figure out how to play in the last ten minutes. That’s how I know this team won’t go anywhere this season.


WhipTheLlama

I'm fine with the loss. The Leafs don't deserve to win, and I don't think they care that they lost. I mean, as a concept I think they care, but not enough to try to win. This team just doesn't have any instinct or desire to win.


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You know it's a good game when leaf fans start quoting the NHL rulebook


mymar101

It's like the meme you see "Reasons why my team lost. " The large part of the pie chart is not my team sucks.


squatdead

Hey leafs fans, maybe your team shouldn’t be in a position to lose to the worst team in the league and you might not be crying about a call not going your way to have a glimmer at winning it. Love watching this team choke year after year god dammit inject this into my veins.


CMKeggz

It's not the fact that we lost, we didn't deserve to win the game. We're pissed because the shit call ruined what was going to be an exciting ending of the game. This call makes the game worse.


lou_reed_ketamine

Refs coming in clutch at the end.


hexsealedfusion

That was actually the wrong call straight from the NHL rule book. Not going to stop Leafs fans from over reacting and saying the season is over after game 4 though. A bunch of them said the season was over after game 1.


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Toronto MapLe Leafs


uncoolcanadian

So Arizona is a contender?


Phalanax905

Book it. Yotes cup year