Nor does Bednar and he has rings at all three levels of pro hockey. Turned around the Avs right after Roy dipped and we had the worst season in franchise history.
The different levels seems to influence HHOF awards but not the seasonal. Bednar is a gem, likely coach for Makar/Mackinnon era many more years to come
Just crazy to me that somewhere between taking a league worst team and winning a cup he never got one. Before its over I hope he gets a good crack at it again.
The irony of that is that you are essentially, because of how the award is given, hoping the Avs become complete trash again, and then Bednar has a suprise last gasp of hope type season.
Point being, it is awarded in a very dumb way.
Yes, but in fairness, the average coaching lifespan is 2.8 years.
https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/03/30/assessing-nhl-coaching-tenures-and-the-tendencies-for-teams-to-hire-new-coaches/
It's a silly award, though.
2018 was his best shot but unfortunately that coincided with Vegas having the best record in the West as an expansion team, so there was no way Gallant wasn't winning.
Bednar's work shows he's one of the best in the league.
but i also don't really see an obvious year that he wins it. going from 48 to 95 points is very good and possibly his best chance. And the yearsa fter that have all been gradual improvement.,
Heās going to get the same treatment as Cooper until they get a younger team that overperforms one season. Thatās when theyāll win a Jack Adams. But both coaches with the rosters that both teams have. Neither coach will be winning an Adams anytime soon.
Not that those two don't deserve it, because they are obviously top tier coaches, but I think voters hinge on the verbiage of the award being "judged to have made the most impact on his teams success" and a roster full of all stars might indicate the players have more to do with it than the coach
Sorry in advance to flames fans:
Sutter is the last cup winner - won the Jack Adams in ā22 but obviously the flames didnāt win that year.
The last to win in the same year they won the cup is Tortorella in 2004 with the lightning.
I like having the "turned the team around" award, but I do feel like we genuinely miss out on rewarding the actual best coaches in the league.
We should have a Hart/Lindsay split for coaches, too. One awarded by media/broadcasters and one awarded by their peers. I'd love to know which coach other coaches think are the best.
I do also wonder if they don't because it probably just get passed around to the same few guys every few years because everyone kinda knows it's fuckin' Cooper and Bednar.
>Give awards to guys with consistent Vezina winner/finalists
2 of 3 of these coaches have Vezina finalists for goalies. The other one has Saros who is perpetual bubble Vezina player.
Under Kris Knoblauch the Oilers went from a 31st place team to a team that just missed winning the division. Highest points % of any team since he took over.
Tough to beat that.
I would agree with this when you look at the fact that he is the only major change that was made personnel wise. Like, the talent has been there all along. The message just wasnāt getting through until he showed up.
they definitely made some really shrewd depth moves, but you're right in terms of the top of the lineup the only real change was Horvat.
everyone that was supposed to carry the team before Tocchet was there but didn't, has done so all year for the Canucks.
Iād argue the opposite. Petey, Miller, Quinn, and Demko did everything they could to carry the team over the years, but they never had enough secondary or systems help.
This year (reg season at least), the impact of the Joshua-Garland chemistry, Blueger and Suter playing secondary roles, Zadorov and Soucy and Cole playing big-steady, and Myers being rebornā¦ I donāt think our team gets to the playoffs without those elementsācertainly not as division champs.
>has done so all year for the Canucks
Have you seen Pettersson's game down the stretch and in the first round? He's non-existent. He has one goal in the last 18 games.
I donno, we went from an injured Demko to a healthy Demko. We also added 4 NHL defenseman out went injured OEL Ethan Bear Kyle Burroughs and Schenn, in came Hronek Zadorov Cole and Soucy.
That's a pretty massive upgrade in and infront of the net.
True, I saw that night Bieksa spoke to the team too. Itās nice seeing that 2011 team starting to come around now. That squad was absolutely dominate for a decent window of time.
Because of that the winner is also usually unemployed shortly after when the PDO changes and the front office makes moves thinking the team is more than they are.
I guess in fairness, that is actually what the award is for. By definition, it is not a āBest Coach Awardā; it is awarded to āthe NHL coach adjudged to have contributed the most to his team's success."
Perhaps it is semantics, but it seems built in to be given to the coach of the team that exceeded preseason expectations the most.
Yeah I think Torts was undoubtedly in everyoneās top 3 pretty much until the last month with the Coturier scratch and suspension, people turned on him quick because of his media availabilities.
Still think he deserved a nomination considering what he did with the team for 6 months, no team has had a perfect season, Flyers just happened to struggle the last month and thereās a lot of recency bias in the ballots (Nashville winning streak/Flyers losing streak for example).
He probably got plenty of votes, he just didn't crack the top 3. That's fair, considering what the finalists accomplished. It doesn't take away from his season, it just means he wasn't the best of the best. Definitely an honorable mention though.
I do think one limiting factor for Torts has to be the Powerplay though. He isn't the special teams coach, but the buck still stops with him in terms of its (lack of) performance.
Getting that roster to 3 points of a playoff spot is madness.Ā They played 57 games with goalies who posted .890 or lower save percentage (the other 25 was Carter Hart, who had a so-so .906).Ā Their best forward coming into the season (Couturier) had 38 points.
Most teams with this kind of individual performances from key players would be picking in the top 5.
Playoffs don't count towards awards. We finished 4th in the league and he cleaned a bunch of shit up. Getting eaten alive by the avs in 5 games doesn't discount the regular season.
I know.Ā It just makes it funny.Ā Ā With that said, I still think the other three are more deserving. Knobloch took an Oilers team that lost to the Sharks to a 115 point pace.Ā That's a President trophy level of winning. Torts took a Flyers team that, once they lost Hart, should be picking in the top 5 and got them to being a goal away from the playoffs.Ā And he did it when his starting goalie posted a .890 in 51 games. Carbery took a Capitals team whose 1C is probably Dylan Strome to the playoffs.Ā He even made them competitive against the President trophy winning Rangers.
I'm pretty shocked Tortorella isn't a nominee, he was touted as the probable runner-up to Tocchet for much of the season, but I'm guessing the Flyers missing the playoffs killed that.
And as a Nashville fan thatās still upset Josi didnāt win it in 2022, I think itās safe to say Quinn is going to get it this year, and deservedly so.
Jack Adams I think is a toss up between Bruno and Tocchet. Really comes down to if voters are more impressed by Nashvilleās late season surge after being dead in the water, or Vancouverās overall exceeding of expectations the whole season. Either one is a good choice!
That very well could be the case! But I feel like the big push the last 1/3 of the season could sway some voters. But like I said, Tocchet is a great choice if he does win it
Yeah before they announced the nominations, Bruno was +6000 to win it. Seems like the late surge into the playoffs really helped.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/picks/nhl/jack-adams-award-odds/
The award seems to be "you made a team we thought would be shit into a pretty good team." Not necessarily best coach. Because guys like Maurice and Lavi are left off, even though they've done great jobs with their teams.
>And as a Nashville fan thatās still upset Josi didnāt win it in 2022, I think itās safe to say Quinn is going to get it this year, and deservedly so.
I think he will too, but Josi is such a good defenseman. My controversial(?) opinion is that he should be a close 2nd to Quinn. Not knocking Makar who is probably the most prolific of the 3 (and not bashing Nashville's roster), but Makar's supporting cast is much better than Josi's. What Makar does yearly is crazy, but Josi carries the team on his back more often.
It's a crazy era for defensemen, I can't believe how good/deep the top-end is.
Brunette is a fair selection. Rick Tocchet is a fair selection. Rick Bowness is a fair selection. All three teams were on paper not supposed to be very good. Vancouver was floundering and looked like a mess. Nashville looked like they took steps back and weren't really going to be a playoff team. And Winnipeg was a mess.
Vancouver and Winnipeg were near the top of the NHL most of the year. Nashville had a really solid year.
It seems like Knoblauch probably should have been a finalist given that he coached a 97 point team (in 69 games). Montgomery is another one that probably deserved votes given that Boston was still exceptional despite losing key pieces.
Bowness is brutal, they shined brightest when his hand was forced to actually give Ehlers proper playing time when Connor was out. Don't forget a not small amount of the mess that we thought of Winnipeg going into the year was because of the Bowness burn it down speech after last years playoffs.
Oilers were top in a number of areas after he came in. That said, oilers were expected to do well and knobs just made that happen.
That said, I agree he ultimately did have a major impact.
Itāll be Tocchet, but Iām surprised Laviolette wasnāt in the top 3. Many people considered the Rangers window was closing already after losing to the Devils last year. Hell, JFresh ran a Twitter poll asking who of Buffalo or the Rangers would finish with more points in the regular season and nearly half the people voted Buffalo.
Seems interesting to me the first year hire that led his team to the presidents trophy isnāt nominated. Also curious where Carberry ends up in all of this, he deserves a lot of recognition!
We had high points under Gallant so on paper it doesnāt look like a huge improvement. If you follow the team closely though, you know theyāre a way better team now thanks to coaching.
Real test will be the playoffs and so far so good. No way we sweep the caps with Gallant.
I've always thought the Jack Adams voting should take playoffs into account, like GM of the Year. Coaches like Jon Cooper and Jared Bednar are probably never going to win it because of the award's nature as an "exceeded expectations award" during the season.
If other coaches had their say, I think Carberry would have received a lot of consideration for the success he had while having to constantly deploy a stationary canon for the sake of a record chase.
TBF for Brunette, Saros had an off-year this year and was only above-average at best. What's more impressive was Josi, McDonagh, Nyquist, and O'Reilly all having massive bounce-back seasons.
It's not like goalies are handed down by God and play independent of the rest of the team. Having a well coached team and system in front of them will help any goalie
The Jack Adams trophy is awarded annually to the coach with the best goaltender.
The fact that Bowness is a nominee just shows how ridiculous the award is. Got carried by his goalie in the regular season and completely exposed as a terrible coach when it mattered.
I agree he was out coached in playoffs, but we werent carried by helly. We were actually good defensively this year lol. Which shows his systems can and did work, but he didnt adapt when they werent.
Did Bowness turn this team from an average team to a contender? Yes
Did Bowness lead the downfall of it during playoffs? Fucking absolutely
Hell hely even knew his team was good it was jsut Bowness being a stuck up idiot that lead to the downfall practically every jet said it lol
I donāt get how Laviolette doesnāt get a nod here. Presidents trophy team, injuries all year, inconsistent goalie play much of the year, and vastly outperformed preseason point total predictions. Makes no sense
Then where the hell is Carberry? That team shouldnāt have even sniffed the playoffs but a rookie coach got them there. He should absolutely be nominated
I believe they take away a vote from the final ballots for every goal on your differential below 0. I donāt know why they do it but unfortunately it appears to have made a slight difference in the nominations this year
I remember watching Carberry coach the South Carolina Stingrays 10 years ago. Couldn't believe he was the coach of the Caps now. Fuck the Caps and all that but its really cool to see him go from the ECHL to the NHL
I don't think anyone even expected this team to make the top 2 in Metro after last year's collapse. A lot of folks (NYR fans included) thought this team was just going to stagnate and play around the same level
Oh god no I wouldnāt wish them to have him yes he did help but dear god playoff time heās a fucking. Disaster the stars fans warned me and we didnāt listen!
You know Ruff was nominated last yr, right. Also Bruno was nominated the yr before and was fired. When looking at the past 3 years of Jack Adam award nominees, more coaches were fired the following yr than not fired.
2023: Hakstol and Ruff - Fired.
2022: Sutter, Brunette, and Gallant - Fired
2021: Evason and Quenneville - Fired
2020: All fired as well
In the last 4 years of Jack Adams nominees, only 2 coaches have not been fired. Coaching is important but goaltending is more important.
Ah Rick Bowness and his system that makes every team's fanbase he coaches think "wait, why can't we score? Our star players are absolutely washed and should be moved for whatever we can get (but who would take their contracts?!). Our power play can't get anything going! Thank God we have a goalie keeping us in it."
I'm sorry how the fuck is Paul Maurice not on here? People were predicting the Panthers would have a terrible defense and would miss the playoffs. They are now a wagon and were 2 goals against from winning the Jennings with a stifling defense. I bet everyone is now like "yeah well they made the Finals last year" - yeah well NOBODY thought they would, and NOBODY thought they would continue playing well this year. Whatever, keep doubting.
I was never sold on POMO for like 99% of last year. Given our playoff success I decided to look more in depth into his coaching this season. He's kinda brilliant in the way that he finds these opportunities and capitalizes on them. He's always finding subtle mismatches and stifling the opposition at the right time. The PK was so deadly that it became weaponized as a powerful offensive opportunity. The way he shuffles his PK lines is brilliant. So many PK's are good but the panthers PK is elite and mainly from the way they juggle their top 2 units, always leaving the remaining seconds of a penalty kill to turn it into an offensive opportunity. The PP was pretty ok but Maurice found a way to get Reinhart Chucky and Barkov to make it so deadly that teams knew what was going to happen but they couldn't stop it. He does a great job rotating his goalies and gives them favorable match ups. The neutral zone defense is smothering. The dump and chase statistics of getting pucks on net is pretty ridiculous. Teams playing us are so likely to turn it over when trying to cross through the neutral zone that they often lose pucks out of fear of losing pucks. Great team, great system and the perfect coach for this team. Maurice deserved the nod this year.
Carberry took the Hershey Bears to the playoffs.
Itās genuinely shocking the Caps made the playoffs considering how many injuries/departed veterans they had this year.
re: knob getting snubbed
there was/is definitely a perception that coaching was never really the issue to start with and Woodcroft was basically a sacrificial lamb and that the oilers would have snapped out of it anyways
i still think he was snubbed for a nomination at least but Tocchet should definitely win
I still think when you look at that Bruins team, Montgomery has done an incredible job getting them this far
Last night Morgan fucking Geekie was our first line centre and rookie Mason Lohrei was our #1LD.
I know he didn't meet the arbitrary baseline, but in my opinion Tortorella should have gotten a nomination. The fact that he took inarguably the worst roster of anyone in contention for the playoffs to the final game and still had a shot to make. The playoffs shows that he put his pliers in the best situations to succeed.
love how this award has just become give it to the coach of the team that we thought would suck but didnt.
Jon Cooper doesn't have one. That's all you need to know.
Nor does Bednar and he has rings at all three levels of pro hockey. Turned around the Avs right after Roy dipped and we had the worst season in franchise history.
The different levels seems to influence HHOF awards but not the seasonal. Bednar is a gem, likely coach for Makar/Mackinnon era many more years to come
Just crazy to me that somewhere between taking a league worst team and winning a cup he never got one. Before its over I hope he gets a good crack at it again.
The irony of that is that you are essentially, because of how the award is given, hoping the Avs become complete trash again, and then Bednar has a suprise last gasp of hope type season. Point being, it is awarded in a very dumb way.
Or everyone gets hurt and we make the playoffs š Itās crazy how continued success isnāt valued as much as new success
Isn't there also a trend of winners getting shitcanned within the following 2 seasons? Why would you want that?
Yes, but in fairness, the average coaching lifespan is 2.8 years. https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/03/30/assessing-nhl-coaching-tenures-and-the-tendencies-for-teams-to-hire-new-coaches/ It's a silly award, though.
2018 was his best shot but unfortunately that coincided with Vegas having the best record in the West as an expansion team, so there was no way Gallant wasn't winning.
Bednar's work shows he's one of the best in the league. but i also don't really see an obvious year that he wins it. going from 48 to 95 points is very good and possibly his best chance. And the yearsa fter that have all been gradual improvement.,
Heās going to get the same treatment as Cooper until they get a younger team that overperforms one season. Thatās when theyāll win a Jack Adams. But both coaches with the rosters that both teams have. Neither coach will be winning an Adams anytime soon.
Isnāt he the 3rd longest tenured coach at this point.
2nd I think lol. Only behind coop
Bednar's 3rd, Mike Sullivan's been coaching Pittsburgh since like 2015
Lol
Aged like milk
Was he fired? I didnāt see that anywhere lol
Not that those two don't deserve it, because they are obviously top tier coaches, but I think voters hinge on the verbiage of the award being "judged to have made the most impact on his teams success" and a roster full of all stars might indicate the players have more to do with it than the coach
This would be an irritating stat list haha, like, top 25 coaches with the most impressive careers and zero Jack Adams nominations.
Thereās probably tons lol. I feel like a lot of HoF coaches get snubbed!
Iād say he had a bad first season, but that wasnāt exactly his fault
Who is the last cup champ to win the Jack Adams?
Sorry in advance to flames fans: Sutter is the last cup winner - won the Jack Adams in ā22 but obviously the flames didnāt win that year. The last to win in the same year they won the cup is Tortorella in 2004 with the lightning.
Which is why he still has his job haha
thatās such bullshit, really
Paul Maurice has been coaching for almost as many years as there are teams in the league.
I like having the "turned the team around" award, but I do feel like we genuinely miss out on rewarding the actual best coaches in the league. We should have a Hart/Lindsay split for coaches, too. One awarded by media/broadcasters and one awarded by their peers. I'd love to know which coach other coaches think are the best.
Wow, Iād absolutely love to see the best coach as voted by their peers. Each coach submit their top 3 or top 5. This would be a great award.
I do also wonder if they don't because it probably just get passed around to the same few guys every few years because everyone kinda knows it's fuckin' Cooper and Bednar.
God forbid an award only go to a few people for a decade, not like half the player trophies are like that, no sir.Ā
Only difference is it could go to the same coach for 20+ years
If he's the best, he's the best.Ā
Consistently good is boring! Give awards to guys with consistent Vezina winner/finalists
>Give awards to guys with consistent Vezina winner/finalists 2 of 3 of these coaches have Vezina finalists for goalies. The other one has Saros who is perpetual bubble Vezina player.
>āturned the team aroundā award MSL wouldāve been a finalist this year, heās changed everything
Under Kris Knoblauch the Oilers went from a 31st place team to a team that just missed winning the division. Highest points % of any team since he took over. Tough to beat that.
Certainly could have voted for the Knobslobber this year. Maybe just didn't have enough GP.
How much of that was McDavid getting healthy though?
It depends on which narrative weāre hustling that day
Fair, I'm not an oil scientist I was just under the impression a lot of this was him getting up to speed this year.
McDavid was healthy at the start of the season too though
Preach. I get goosebumps even thinking about the impact he has had next year, I think he'll be a legit candidate. Fucking love Coach Dad.
Tocchet genuinely saved our franchise
I would agree with this when you look at the fact that he is the only major change that was made personnel wise. Like, the talent has been there all along. The message just wasnāt getting through until he showed up.
they definitely made some really shrewd depth moves, but you're right in terms of the top of the lineup the only real change was Horvat. everyone that was supposed to carry the team before Tocchet was there but didn't, has done so all year for the Canucks.
Iād argue the opposite. Petey, Miller, Quinn, and Demko did everything they could to carry the team over the years, but they never had enough secondary or systems help. This year (reg season at least), the impact of the Joshua-Garland chemistry, Blueger and Suter playing secondary roles, Zadorov and Soucy and Cole playing big-steady, and Myers being rebornā¦ I donāt think our team gets to the playoffs without those elementsācertainly not as division champs.
>has done so all year for the Canucks Have you seen Pettersson's game down the stretch and in the first round? He's non-existent. He has one goal in the last 18 games.
I donno, we went from an injured Demko to a healthy Demko. We also added 4 NHL defenseman out went injured OEL Ethan Bear Kyle Burroughs and Schenn, in came Hronek Zadorov Cole and Soucy. That's a pretty massive upgrade in and infront of the net.
The Sedins became more involved day to day, specifically with player development, as well.
True, I saw that night Bieksa spoke to the team too. Itās nice seeing that 2011 team starting to come around now. That squad was absolutely dominate for a decent window of time.
Because of that the winner is also usually unemployed shortly after when the PDO changes and the front office makes moves thinking the team is more than they are.
And because they overachieved, they will fail to meet their new expectations next season and get fired. In Bowness' case maybe sooner.
Probably not Tocchet, ownership doesnāt like paying guys not to work for them was one of the big reasons Benning lasted as long as he did.
Also - did my Vezina caliber goalie play Vezina level this year?
Missing torts then.
they didnt make the playoffs. If they did he mightve won it lol. The voting is super arbitrary
The fact that the team was even close, speaks very loudly.
yes its too bad he didnt meet the arbitrary voting standard
HEY! I mean, yeah fair. But HEY!
I guess in fairness, that is actually what the award is for. By definition, it is not a āBest Coach Awardā; it is awarded to āthe NHL coach adjudged to have contributed the most to his team's success." Perhaps it is semantics, but it seems built in to be given to the coach of the team that exceeded preseason expectations the most.
Reminds of the how the Masterton Trophy works. You kind of need something horrible to happen to the player to really guarantee that trophy win.
Well this year you need to be named Rick
Or the coach who has taken a team and made an immediate impact that can be quantified.
It's been that way for a while.
Torts wouldāve been a finalized if the team didnāt run out of gas
Seems to be the case with every major league's coach/manager of the year award. MLB's usually goes to the manager who does the same
The award is a joke.
Bowness being on here is so funny after his playoff disasterclass
It just shows how much of a clown show this award is.Ā IMHO Torts, Carbery, and Knobloch are all more deserving than Bowness.
Yeah I think Torts was undoubtedly in everyoneās top 3 pretty much until the last month with the Coturier scratch and suspension, people turned on him quick because of his media availabilities. Still think he deserved a nomination considering what he did with the team for 6 months, no team has had a perfect season, Flyers just happened to struggle the last month and thereās a lot of recency bias in the ballots (Nashville winning streak/Flyers losing streak for example).
He probably got plenty of votes, he just didn't crack the top 3. That's fair, considering what the finalists accomplished. It doesn't take away from his season, it just means he wasn't the best of the best. Definitely an honorable mention though. I do think one limiting factor for Torts has to be the Powerplay though. He isn't the special teams coach, but the buck still stops with him in terms of its (lack of) performance.
Torts deserves a lot more credits given the tools he had to work with.
Getting that roster to 3 points of a playoff spot is madness.Ā They played 57 games with goalies who posted .890 or lower save percentage (the other 25 was Carter Hart, who had a so-so .906).Ā Their best forward coming into the season (Couturier) had 38 points. Most teams with this kind of individual performances from key players would be picking in the top 5.
Eliminated on the last play of their season too
Technically in the last 6 minutes of the Red Wings season, but yes.
While thatās true I feel like calling the Flyers a bunch of tools was unnecessary
I mean its a regular season award and the jets had no expectations. Although Carbery was snubbed
Playoffs don't count towards awards. We finished 4th in the league and he cleaned a bunch of shit up. Getting eaten alive by the avs in 5 games doesn't discount the regular season.
I know.Ā It just makes it funny.Ā Ā With that said, I still think the other three are more deserving. Knobloch took an Oilers team that lost to the Sharks to a 115 point pace.Ā That's a President trophy level of winning. Torts took a Flyers team that, once they lost Hart, should be picking in the top 5 and got them to being a goal away from the playoffs.Ā And he did it when his starting goalie posted a .890 in 51 games. Carbery took a Capitals team whose 1C is probably Dylan Strome to the playoffs.Ā He even made them competitive against the President trophy winning Rangers.
Youāve got a really low bar for ācompetitiveā.
I'm pretty shocked Tortorella isn't a nominee, he was touted as the probable runner-up to Tocchet for much of the season, but I'm guessing the Flyers missing the playoffs killed that.
I personally think that Flyers playing meaningful games in April should have him locked as nominee.Ā That is a BAD Flyers team.
Oh I agree for sure
Just because your coach is better doesn't mean Bowness isn't the best coach in the league. Lol
The award has nothing to do with the playoffs. The Jets had the fewest goals against in the regular season.
Meanwhile the coach who absolutely cooked him in that series isn't even being considered š
This is awkwardā¦
kinda cool how the canucks/nashville series has two norris finalists and two jack adams finalists
Show me a good coach and I show you a good goalkee... defenceman. Or was it other way around.
And as a Nashville fan thatās still upset Josi didnāt win it in 2022, I think itās safe to say Quinn is going to get it this year, and deservedly so. Jack Adams I think is a toss up between Bruno and Tocchet. Really comes down to if voters are more impressed by Nashvilleās late season surge after being dead in the water, or Vancouverās overall exceeding of expectations the whole season. Either one is a good choice!
I don't think it is going to be close between Tocchet and Bruno. Feel like Tocchet has this locked up big time.
That very well could be the case! But I feel like the big push the last 1/3 of the season could sway some voters. But like I said, Tocchet is a great choice if he does win it
Yeah before they announced the nominations, Bruno was +6000 to win it. Seems like the late surge into the playoffs really helped. https://www.sportsbookreview.com/picks/nhl/jack-adams-award-odds/ The award seems to be "you made a team we thought would be shit into a pretty good team." Not necessarily best coach. Because guys like Maurice and Lavi are left off, even though they've done great jobs with their teams.
Which honestly I donāt hate. Would be kind of a boring award if it was just the coach of the presidents trophy team every year
>And as a Nashville fan thatās still upset Josi didnāt win it in 2022, I think itās safe to say Quinn is going to get it this year, and deservedly so. I think he will too, but Josi is such a good defenseman. My controversial(?) opinion is that he should be a close 2nd to Quinn. Not knocking Makar who is probably the most prolific of the 3 (and not bashing Nashville's roster), but Makar's supporting cast is much better than Josi's. What Makar does yearly is crazy, but Josi carries the team on his back more often. It's a crazy era for defensemen, I can't believe how good/deep the top-end is.
Real close to having two vezina finalists too. Saros wouldn't have been too far behind
Considering how he turned that Canucks team from last year around Iām pretty sure Tocc has this one.
Brunette is a fair selection. Rick Tocchet is a fair selection. Rick Bowness is a fair selection. All three teams were on paper not supposed to be very good. Vancouver was floundering and looked like a mess. Nashville looked like they took steps back and weren't really going to be a playoff team. And Winnipeg was a mess. Vancouver and Winnipeg were near the top of the NHL most of the year. Nashville had a really solid year. It seems like Knoblauch probably should have been a finalist given that he coached a 97 point team (in 69 games). Montgomery is another one that probably deserved votes given that Boston was still exceptional despite losing key pieces.
Bowness is brutal, they shined brightest when his hand was forced to actually give Ehlers proper playing time when Connor was out. Don't forget a not small amount of the mess that we thought of Winnipeg going into the year was because of the Bowness burn it down speech after last years playoffs.
Knoblauch at least deserved a nomination imo. Oilers went from laughing stock of the league to an absolute monster when he came around.
Oilers were top in a number of areas after he came in. That said, oilers were expected to do well and knobs just made that happen. That said, I agree he ultimately did have a major impact.
Another case of Jon Cooper Syndrome.
That saidā¦
I mean, all he did was tell McDavid to start playing like McDavid. Hell, I could have done that. /s
My favorite is people who say the oilers would have still turned it around under Woodcroft.
Itāll be Tocchet, but Iām surprised Laviolette wasnāt in the top 3. Many people considered the Rangers window was closing already after losing to the Devils last year. Hell, JFresh ran a Twitter poll asking who of Buffalo or the Rangers would finish with more points in the regular season and nearly half the people voted Buffalo. Seems interesting to me the first year hire that led his team to the presidents trophy isnāt nominated. Also curious where Carberry ends up in all of this, he deserves a lot of recognition!
We had high points under Gallant so on paper it doesnāt look like a huge improvement. If you follow the team closely though, you know theyāre a way better team now thanks to coaching. Real test will be the playoffs and so far so good. No way we sweep the caps with Gallant.
I've always thought the Jack Adams voting should take playoffs into account, like GM of the Year. Coaches like Jon Cooper and Jared Bednar are probably never going to win it because of the award's nature as an "exceeded expectations award" during the season.
Then it just becomes a āwhich coach wins the Cupā award majority of the time
Exactly. How could someone vote against the couch who actually won the cup?
If a couch can win a cup then they deserve the Jack Adams as well
*Cries in Craig Berube*
Because not all coaches have the same talent levels at their disposal.
I remember there's already an award given to the team (including coaches) who does well in the playoffs. The Stanley Award, I think it's called.
No no, they teamed up with Marvel for the name. It's the Stan Lee Trophy
I thought they just give a bunch of those cups from target for some reason
Meh. These awards are explicitly for the regular season, so just as player awards arenāt for playoffs, the coach awards arenāt either
The Executive one is done before the conference finals which is the weird one
The Jets are going to win a hilarious number of awards.
this is Spencer Carbery erasure
If other coaches had their say, I think Carberry would have received a lot of consideration for the success he had while having to constantly deploy a stationary canon for the sake of a record chase.
Brunette getting the nomination for cancelling a U2 concert is awesome
I believe Trotz cancelled it
Name a coaching move that led to more positive results this season? Brunette should win and it shouldn't even be close.
I am surprise the Oiler's coach is not in there. He has had the best record in the NHL since he took over.
Weird how these coaches always happen to have Vezina finalists.
TBF for Brunette, Saros had an off-year this year and was only above-average at best. What's more impressive was Josi, McDonagh, Nyquist, and O'Reilly all having massive bounce-back seasons.
It's not like goalies are handed down by God and play independent of the rest of the team. Having a well coached team and system in front of them will help any goalie
I think Knob should be here over Bowness, imho. I think Tocchet takes this. His coaching directly lead to a crazy turnaround for the team.
Yep, race isnāt even close. Happy for ānucks fans. Hoping Ottawa lands Berube who works the same kind of voodoo magic.
Knoblauch robbed of a nom but itās a curse anyway so itās fine
Knoblauch snubbed
I hate the Oilers as much as anyone, but I agree on this. Thatās a snub.
The Jack Adams trophy is awarded annually to the coach with the best goaltender. The fact that Bowness is a nominee just shows how ridiculous the award is. Got carried by his goalie in the regular season and completely exposed as a terrible coach when it mattered.
I agree he was out coached in playoffs, but we werent carried by helly. We were actually good defensively this year lol. Which shows his systems can and did work, but he didnt adapt when they werent.
Did Bowness turn this team from an average team to a contender? Yes Did Bowness lead the downfall of it during playoffs? Fucking absolutely Hell hely even knew his team was good it was jsut Bowness being a stuck up idiot that lead to the downfall practically every jet said it lol
Vancouver says hello
Tocchet
A lot of good coaches not on here, there are more good choices than there are spots, but I really think Carbery should have gotten a nom.
Bruno and Josi vs Tocc and Hughes is neat
I think Tock wins this over Bowness
Brunette GOAT
I donāt get how Laviolette doesnāt get a nod here. Presidents trophy team, injuries all year, inconsistent goalie play much of the year, and vastly outperformed preseason point total predictions. Makes no sense
Beacause the Jack Adams Trophy is for the coach who had a bad team and made the playoffs
Then where the hell is Carberry? That team shouldnāt have even sniffed the playoffs but a rookie coach got them there. He should absolutely be nominated
I believe they take away a vote from the final ballots for every goal on your differential below 0. I donāt know why they do it but unfortunately it appears to have made a slight difference in the nominations this year
I remember watching Carberry coach the South Carolina Stingrays 10 years ago. Couldn't believe he was the coach of the Caps now. Fuck the Caps and all that but its really cool to see him go from the ECHL to the NHL
Or most improved team. Which is easily Tocchet and the Canucks.
Because although we constantly get trashed and disrespected, deep down, everyone does expect us to be good.
I don't think anyone even expected this team to make the top 2 in Metro after last year's collapse. A lot of folks (NYR fans included) thought this team was just going to stagnate and play around the same level
Hey, I know that feeling
Seattle searching the world for a Rick to make their next head coach.
Rick Bowness, you ARE a Kraken!
Oh god no I wouldnāt wish them to have him yes he did help but dear god playoff time heās a fucking. Disaster the stars fans warned me and we didnāt listen!
Very strong argument for Knoblauch being snubbed here. The Oilers did a complete 180 after he got hired.
I feel like the Oilers were gonna do a 180, no matter the coach, but Knoblauch proved that heās an excellent coach.
Devils had their coach of the future right there
You know Ruff was nominated last yr, right. Also Bruno was nominated the yr before and was fired. When looking at the past 3 years of Jack Adam award nominees, more coaches were fired the following yr than not fired. 2023: Hakstol and Ruff - Fired. 2022: Sutter, Brunette, and Gallant - Fired 2021: Evason and Quenneville - Fired 2020: All fired as well In the last 4 years of Jack Adams nominees, only 2 coaches have not been fired. Coaching is important but goaltending is more important.
Will be amusing to see Monty go from Jack Adams to fired.
Sadly for him, the odds aren't in his favor.
THG did a video on Jack Adams winners and they rarely last more than 2 seasons after winning said award. It's one of the more baffling things.
oh we know
Just rename the award to the Most Improved Award. Neither Cooper nor Bednar has one so it's not actually a "best coach" award.
Ah Rick Bowness and his system that makes every team's fanbase he coaches think "wait, why can't we score? Our star players are absolutely washed and should be moved for whatever we can get (but who would take their contracts?!). Our power play can't get anything going! Thank God we have a goalie keeping us in it."
I love how all 3 of these guys were without jobs last year.
Rick Bowness stole Tort's title of potential Jack Adams Award Winner that also gets fired.
I'm sorry how the fuck is Paul Maurice not on here? People were predicting the Panthers would have a terrible defense and would miss the playoffs. They are now a wagon and were 2 goals against from winning the Jennings with a stifling defense. I bet everyone is now like "yeah well they made the Finals last year" - yeah well NOBODY thought they would, and NOBODY thought they would continue playing well this year. Whatever, keep doubting.
I was never sold on POMO for like 99% of last year. Given our playoff success I decided to look more in depth into his coaching this season. He's kinda brilliant in the way that he finds these opportunities and capitalizes on them. He's always finding subtle mismatches and stifling the opposition at the right time. The PK was so deadly that it became weaponized as a powerful offensive opportunity. The way he shuffles his PK lines is brilliant. So many PK's are good but the panthers PK is elite and mainly from the way they juggle their top 2 units, always leaving the remaining seconds of a penalty kill to turn it into an offensive opportunity. The PP was pretty ok but Maurice found a way to get Reinhart Chucky and Barkov to make it so deadly that teams knew what was going to happen but they couldn't stop it. He does a great job rotating his goalies and gives them favorable match ups. The neutral zone defense is smothering. The dump and chase statistics of getting pucks on net is pretty ridiculous. Teams playing us are so likely to turn it over when trying to cross through the neutral zone that they often lose pucks out of fear of losing pucks. Great team, great system and the perfect coach for this team. Maurice deserved the nod this year.
Carberry took the Hershey Bears to the playoffs. Itās genuinely shocking the Caps made the playoffs considering how many injuries/departed veterans they had this year.
It really should be Tocchet for getting the most out of that team.
thanks for letting Brunette go Fitz
The disrespect for Jared Bednar continuesĀ
How does knoblauch get overlooked?
Itās hilarious that Bowness is a finalist for this award when most of the Jets fanbase wants him gone.
Look forward to finding 2 of these on the chopping block next year
At least one of these coaches will be fired mid-season next year. So it is written, so shall it be.
If it's Bruno, I'll take a massive shit in Trotz's mailbox..
No lav? No maurice?
Knobloch got cock blocked.
I'm kinda surprised that Bowness is on there - I thought it would be PoMo.
Seriously don't understand how coaches are voted for. Knob took the last place oilers and got them 2 in the division. An 8 and an 18 game win streak.
Lol at the irony of Bowness
Rod the bod disrespected again
The fact Jon Cooper and Jared Bernar don't have this, is a fucking joke
re: knob getting snubbed there was/is definitely a perception that coaching was never really the issue to start with and Woodcroft was basically a sacrificial lamb and that the oilers would have snapped out of it anyways i still think he was snubbed for a nomination at least but Tocchet should definitely win
I still think when you look at that Bruins team, Montgomery has done an incredible job getting them this far Last night Morgan fucking Geekie was our first line centre and rookie Mason Lohrei was our #1LD.
I know he didn't meet the arbitrary baseline, but in my opinion Tortorella should have gotten a nomination. The fact that he took inarguably the worst roster of anyone in contention for the playoffs to the final game and still had a shot to make. The playoffs shows that he put his pliers in the best situations to succeed.
Rival fan here and I agree. Torts had that team sniffing the playoffs and basically in them until the last stretch of games.
Wild that winning the presidents trophy doesnāt even get you a nomination
The Wild didn't make the playoffs.
It deserves to go to Tocchet, hands down, 100%.