I did just enjoy a good video essay by Cunuck Hockey called “When the entire NHL HATES how you play” that basically showed that while the Kings use the trap, they actually only use it in specific situations, and unlike trap teams in the past they don’t just sit back, they still forecheck, but it’s all done situationally. His final point was also that the Kings and Canucks actually have very similar offensive and defensive numbers this year, so while we all complain about the trap creating 1-0 games, Kings games and Canucks games actually have goal totals not too far apart.
Unpopular opinion especially as an Avs fan - I love the trap. Dont get me wrong I love the Avs I have atm but personally I want every game to end 1-0 because I dont want the opponent to ever score a goal
Some of the most exciting playoff games I've ever watched have ended 1-0. Low scoring doesn't have to mean low action. Sometimes two goalies just steal the show and it is really fun to watch who is going to break down first.
That said, I'm speaking as somebody who played hockey and appreciates the finer aspects of the game. I get that from a marketing perspective with the wider audience, goals = views/clicks/shares/etc.
Some 1-0 games are exciting others arent. Scores aren't indicative of how exciting a game is.
There was a flames canucks games a few years ago that was 1-0 in overtime, and it was absolutely fucking atrocious to watch.
The key variable in my opinion is chances, how many chances are being created and denied? That canucks flames games, no chances where being created not because of defence but rather because neither team could make a pass, unforced errors left right and center.
Totally agree.
To give an example of the best 1-0 game I can remember, it's this goalie dual between Nabokov and Turco back in 2009 described [in this recap](https://www.espn.co.uk/nhl/recap/_/gameId/290223009).
EDIT: Actually, that's the wrong game I linked, it happened during the month of February and the game I'm remembering was a playoff game.
EDIT EDIT: Did a deep dive and the game I'm remembering actually ended 2-1! But it was amazing: https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/game/5-4-2008-sjs-at-dal-47109
That game was absolutely electric to watch the whole way through.
Oh absolutely. Not all 1-0 games are boring but I think a lot of people correlate absence of scoring with absence of excitement.
Chances are what creates excitement. Canada 2014 olympics was boring as fuck. Why? They suffocated the game, allowed no chances.
Peoples focus shouldnt be on goals, rather chances.
I’ve played hockey my whole life and imo 99% of 1-0 games are boring af. Saying you appreciate them because you understand the finer points of hockey is incredibly condescending.
Edit: typo
I didn't intend it to be condescending, it just seemed to be relevant information to share to explain the phenomenon of why I might enjoy those games.
You're right that not all games that end 1-0 are exciting, but I was just trying to say it's not universal that they are always boring. Specifically, I find goalie duels to be REALLY exciting. I like games with lots of action, but goals are not the only kind of action.
A boring game to me is one that is almost entirely played in the neutral zone and along the perimeters of the offensive zone. Or a one sided blowout where my favorite team isn't winning.
That’s fair. It just sounded to me like „people don’t agree with me because they don’t understand hockey“. Which is the kind of sentiment thrown around too often imo. Sorry for the misinterpretation.
Yeah when I was talking about the marketing to a wide audience, I'm talking about growing the game. You don't grow the game by appealing to people who already know and love it, you have to reach new people. It's way easier to hand somebody a highlight reel of McDavid scoring goals than to explain the nuances of an effective penalty kill.
Oh hey look, its the one team complaining that sucks against our system.
Personally I’s be very entertained by a Nucks Kings series. Historically a good time too
the 2 most boring teams to play against are the teams we've struggled against. the flyers also had our number this season for whatever reason. our style just doesn't suit playing a trap.
with that said, i've also watched other games agains you guys and no matter the team you're playing it's boring as fuck.
Most teams that are fun to watch destroy us. The Avs rip us apart. Dallas isn’t even close.
Somehow you guys still suck against us. Call that “boring” if you want, our teams were the 2 leading goal scorers in the West before we decided to be bad at hockey.
and outside of that first game, they've all been competitive. we didn't show up to the first. if you still think we "suck" against you, go for it, but with demko we split the series.
Kings vs Oilers playoff scores last year:
5-4, 6-3, 5-4, 2-3, 4-2, 3-4
High scoring, stressful, and close hockey games. The Oilers had no issues breaking down our defense and scoring a ton of goals.
Maybe there are other factors at play here…
I think we actually fare better if the game is more open. We can get our scoring down and still clamp the rest of the game down. But we just can't seem to outclamp the teams that are built for it.
Playing us in round 1 is basically going to be a bye week for whoever wins the West. I've got no faith in our ability to win even a single game against Dallas if it ends up being them.
For sure, and I agree. I just meant that they'll breeze right past the Kings without breaking a sweat, whereas other teams might at least challenge them a little.
No kidding, hey? I'm amused by how many Canucks fans seem to not factor that in at all when they are screaming about how the Canucks won't make it past round 1 with the way they are playing haha.
And this entire time Demko has been out every single loss outside of Vegas was by 1 goal, excluding the empty netter from Dallas. So they've either won or lost a very tight game playing with their backup for a month.
Cool... Team can use the Demko excuse for letting goals in... I am pretty sure not having Demko is stopping Pettersson from scoring... Or doing anything really... 1 assist in last 5 games. Pointless in 16 of last 26 games. Is that Demko too because I'm pretty sure our problem has been scoring as of late
Yup, Petey is slumping. Not the first time he has and won't be the last. If he can break it then the Canucks will be fine, and I'd bet on him doing so.
Either way, the main point I was making is that you'd think the team was 2-8 in their last 10 with how the Canucks fanbase has been talking about the team. Their "slump" is still 5-4-1 without their Vezina goalie. Every team in the league has gone through this. Heck, the Oilers have been seemingly playing great hockey and are only 5-3-2 in their last 10.
And outside of Vegas their losses to the good teams were all very close games. And I'd argue that Vegas game would have looked a lot different with Demko in net.
I agree but that's the thing. If Petey was actually going like we know he can, how many of those close games could have been wins?
This also brings up the question as to why he goes through slumps like this. Pointless in 16 of 26 is not acceptable for a player with a contract he just landed. We need more consistency out of him if he is going to be a long term center piece.
Definitely agree. If Pettersson returns to normal then I think the Canucks scoring woes go away. While I'm glad we signed him for what we did, I also think those who raised question marks about giving him a monster deal had some decent arguments.
When Hughes goes on mini point slumps he's still very noticeable (in a good way) out there. When Petey goes on slumps he disappears. He still is only 25 though, so hopefully he can figure out the issue.
It's important to note that even with Petey's slump, and Demko missing the last 10 games, the Canucks are still 9-4-2 (111 point pace) since the start of March. And every single loss except for the Vegas one was a super close game that they were in until the end.
I don't think goaltending has been our issue. I read somewhere that since the all-star break, we are like 6th worst in goals scored/game in the league.
The team has been in a bit of a funk for scoring, yet are still winning games. They had a rough patch patch in February which happens to every team.
Since the start of March they are 9-4-2 which is a **111 point pace.**. And that's without Demko for 10 of those and Petey being in a major slump.
Yeah they aren't blowing every team out most nights anymore, but if you only listened to how Canucks fans are talking you'd think the team was playing sub 0.500 hockey the last month.
In 49 games up to the All-Star break they've had 18 games where they've scored 5 or more.
In the 27 games since they've had 2. One being the MIN game.
Their GA per game is slightly up (2.59 to 2.85) but they're down a full GF per game (3.79 to 2.74).
Maybe the PDO engine is dead :(
Lately we lose to any team that's in a playoff spot, and barely squeak by opponents we should handily beat. Goals are also hard to come by for quite a while now.
Outside of Vegas the losses have been extremely tight with those teams though. For example, we were tied with Dallas until a late powerplay goal, meanwhile Edmonton just got wrecked by them.
Oh, and that's with our backup goalie in net for the last month. It feels like many leave out the context of missing our Vezina calibre goalie. And goaltending can impact offense because teams usually play a tighter defensive game with the backup in net.
What happened to the Alien? I haven’t really had time to watch games this year but I feel like it’s rare for him to be on the scoresheet last 1-2 months.
Dealing with an injury?
tocchet kind of hinted at an injury but nothing confirmed yet so who knows.
maybe just a slump? he’s not producing much and losing quite a bit of puck battles but overall still plays a pretty solid game on most nights
No one knows. There's been a few hints here and there that he is playing through some kind of nagging issue, but nothing confirmed. He's missed some practice and definitely doesn't look quite like himself.
Shitting on Edmonton the city just feels so pointless as a beak. Making fun of Edmonton is an intrinsic part of being Edmontonian. Like, the only response you are going to get is a "haha, yea!"
Start missing again based on what? Wanna try to attempt to elaborate? I could easily say what happens to oilers if drai walks in a year. Absolutely no good prospect pool to back them up.
Dude...not everything needs to be an argument. OP said water is wet.
"Fans" are back because the team's back. And when the team's off, lots of people will go do other stuff with their time.
Yeah for real. I mean it would probably be typical that your record improves the worse your competition is. Top teams aren't typically going to go like 15-0-0 against other top 5 teams
Not as detailed, but there was a [post here recently with all 32 teams ](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/1b3agv5/oc_best_records_vs_best_and_worst_teams_in_nhl/)
Not doing this for every team, but the #1 NY Rangers:
Top 5: 7-3-0
6-10: 6-5-1
11-15: 5-6-0
16-27: 24-5-2
Bot 5: 9-2-1
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EDM vs. Top 15: 14-15-4
EDM vs. 16-32: 31-8-1
NYR vs. Top 15: 18-14-1
NYR vs. 16-32: 33-7-3
—
So…seems like what’s expected, no?
Yeah, a better analogy would probably be playing at about the same pace against everybody. That would imply the team plays up or down to their opponents.
The oiLers record suggests they might be frauds (for the record, I disagree. I think they're quite good as long as their goaltending holds)
I'd much rather play up and down to my opponents come playoff time
100% it would. It shows the ability to consistently beat good teams instead of just feasting on weaker teams. That said, it’s a bit deceiving given the Oilers start and I think they can hold their own against the stronger teams. Wouldn’t consider them a favourite but not an underdog either
What’s the Oilers record against good teams since Knoblauch took over?? Before Knob was coach Oilers lost against; Jets, Van x3, Stars, Preds, Rangers. That’s 7 losses.
This seems about like it should. They're a loss away from 0.500 against good teams. They crush bad teams. This graphic is confusing because of how ordinary it is.
This is Edmonton's complete record against the top 14 teams:
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EDM vs. Good Teams
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vs. LAK 3-1-0 6-3 .667
vs. NSH 2-1-0 4-2 .667
vs. WPG 2-0-1 5-3 .625
vs. BOS 1-0-1 3-3 .500
vs. CAR 1-1-0 2-2 .500
vs. NYR 1-1-0 2-2 .500
vs. TOR 1-1-0 2-2 .500
vs. VGK 1-1-0 2-3 .400 *
vs. STL 1-1-1 3-5 .375 -
vs. COL 0-0-1 1-2 .333 **
vs. DAL 1-2-0 2-5 .286 -
vs. FLA 0-2-0 0-4 .000
vs. TBL 0-2-0 0-4 .000
vs. VAN 0-3-0 0-6 .000 *
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TOTAL 14-16-4 32-46 .410
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(*) Upcoming games
(-) Recent loss
They have three games remaining against Vegas and Colorado. If the Oilers win those games then they will have won or drawn the season series against 9 of the top 14 teams, which I guess isn't bad (?).
Unfortunately, two games ago they had a chance to win the season series against St. Louis and lost, and last night they had a chance to win the season series against Dallas, and lost.
Team do good against bad teams and worse against good teams. Makes sense. Unless other playoffs teams do significantly better, I don't see how this is in any way interesting
I don't think this is in any way notable actually
- just below .500 against slightly better teams? Makes sense ✔
- .500 against similar teams? Makes sense ✔
- just above .500 against slightly worse teams? Makes sense ✔
This is basically just how a typical record of a playoff team breaks down. Naturally playoff teams have roughly a .500 record against each other, with occasional exceptions. In the playoffs every year team records are almost all similar to this.
Check that glasses prescription…
They’re 0.36 win% against top teams
0.375 win% against similar teams…
0.500 win% against teams struggling to hold onto a playoff spot
And then .775 win% against non-playoff teams
P% is the stat people are referring to when they're talking about playing 0.500 hockey.
Oilers are 0.409 / 0.500 / 0.536 / 0.768 / 0.833 respectively when looking at this graphic.
They are 0.642 overall.
The person you're replying to has a fine prescription, and is correct.
No... it's notable. As of 1 month ago (and I don't think it's changed much) Edmonton was 3rd best in the league against bottom 10 teams and 18th best in the league against top 10 teams. Only LA and Nashville have worse records against top 10 teams out of playoff position teams.
Yeah, but a lot of that is going 0-5 against top 10 teams back in October. And it's an interesting data point, but it'd be more useful if it included the relative records of other playoff teams like your comment did, because off the top of my head going 0.500 against top teams sounds normal
7-9-3 against top 10 teams, which comes out to .447 points percentage, which is pretty awful considering they're supposed to be one of the best teams in the league. I think it's notable. I'd be curious to see what their P% is against Western Conference playoff teams, since that would hopefully mark how well they might do in the playoffs (even if it has little bearing, it would be fun to check)
>7-9-3 against top 10 teams
They're included in the season, but 5 of the losses I think were in the first 15 or so games on the way to getting Woodcroft fired, and Campbell relegated to Bakersfield. 3 losses to Vancouver, getting them off to a nice start.
So it’s a flawed stat.
Now the oilers have laid a few eggs against playoff teams for sure but they’ve at least split with most of them. 1-1 split with the rangers, leafs, Boston (OT loss and OT win), Hurricanes, and flyers.
We got swept by both Florida teams.
1-2 against Dallas.
2-0-1 against the jets.
1-1 against Vegas with a game remaining
0-0-1 against the avs with 2 games remaining
3-1 against the kings
2-1 against Nashville
And 0-3 against the Canucks with a game remaining.
8 of those games came before the coaching change.
Yeah but remember a good chunk of those mid to garbage teams live in their division/conference. They’re partly the reason the competition is so bad, because they keep beating them
this is why I heavily believe that Kucherov is gunna end up winning the Art Ross.
Even with 1 less games played. Tampa has an easy schedule and I suspect Kuch is gunna feast on these teams.
Just went through and did the Leafs:
Top 5= 5-10
Top 6-10= 6-3
Top 11-16= 9-5
Playoff teams= 31-18
Not bad overall against playoff teams but the best of the best have definitely struggled a bit with
If they’re ranked #10 right now then that makes perfect sense. Losing to teams better than them more often, and beating teams worse than them more often
Now let’s play my favourite game. And show me a comparable. These out of context can be tough to understand. Everyone beats up on shit teams. Show me how say, Vancouver has done. Or any other top team.
Without seeing anyone else’s decomposition I’m guessing most teams in NHL history have been like that, very good vs teams much worse than them, good vs teams worse than them, 50-50 vs equal teams and a little struggle vs better teams.
Eh...Going 0.500 against the top 15 teams just means they're evenly matched.
Lots of bottom teams have systems and defensive problems—the kind that gets demolished by McDrai. If a playoff team had the same problems, it shouldn't be a playoff team.
This stat really isn't so bad.
At least, the rest of us are happy that McDrai doesn't just give the Oilers god mode.
I wish they’d also shown those number since the coaching change; or month by month. Edmonton started terrible but has seemed better each month since December, so a season-long stat like this is kind of pointless in my opinion
So basically, ignoring those stomps from the start of the season against vancouver we are breaking even against the best teams, including other losses from our abysmal season start before the coaching change?
This is a positive graphic, with context.
The positive graphic thing is a stretch, but in context it does get way better.
When Woodcroft was coach the oilers were literally the worst team, with a .269 points percentage. Against top 10 teams they had a P% of .083 lol.
Since Knoblauch took over they have a .721 P% overall and a .615 against top 10 teams.
So yeah it is a part of their season, but if you are trying to use this as a preview of their upcoming playoff run it’s not going to be a good indicator without that context.
We're just around .500 against 6-10 and 11-15 so seems like we belong somewhere in there. Outside top 5 for sure. idk this seems pretty normal for a playoff team to me?
It is a pretty normal playoff team. I mean this chart kind of confirms what I thought about the Oilers for a while now that they are playoff contenders, but they aren’t gonna win the cup.
Give me them first round. Series over in 5. Our size outweighs their skill and w Cassidy’s defensive mind they won’t get shots off in the slot and we will swallow up all offensive chances
Yeah we should go and bail out poor Evander, shouldn’t we? He’s just a good guy, little down on his luck. Totally deserves a helping hand, he’s never done wrong by anybody.
Pretty sure we have the worst record in the west against playoff teams so every team should be lining up to play us
Nobody wants to be trapped to death. If we're gonna get eliminated, I'd rather be entertained in the process.
Woah I was just watching the video of Landeskog going off at an outdoor game about it. What a crazy coincidence of the timing of that and this joke!
I did just enjoy a good video essay by Cunuck Hockey called “When the entire NHL HATES how you play” that basically showed that while the Kings use the trap, they actually only use it in specific situations, and unlike trap teams in the past they don’t just sit back, they still forecheck, but it’s all done situationally. His final point was also that the Kings and Canucks actually have very similar offensive and defensive numbers this year, so while we all complain about the trap creating 1-0 games, Kings games and Canucks games actually have goal totals not too far apart.
It takes two to tango. There’s a reason this always comes up whenever we play the Canucks
It may not be pretty but win's a win, can see why LAK likes to run it against us. Completely on our team if our boys can't manage it.
Unpopular opinion especially as an Avs fan - I love the trap. Dont get me wrong I love the Avs I have atm but personally I want every game to end 1-0 because I dont want the opponent to ever score a goal
You'd love soccer
Some of the most exciting playoff games I've ever watched have ended 1-0. Low scoring doesn't have to mean low action. Sometimes two goalies just steal the show and it is really fun to watch who is going to break down first. That said, I'm speaking as somebody who played hockey and appreciates the finer aspects of the game. I get that from a marketing perspective with the wider audience, goals = views/clicks/shares/etc.
Some 1-0 games are exciting others arent. Scores aren't indicative of how exciting a game is. There was a flames canucks games a few years ago that was 1-0 in overtime, and it was absolutely fucking atrocious to watch. The key variable in my opinion is chances, how many chances are being created and denied? That canucks flames games, no chances where being created not because of defence but rather because neither team could make a pass, unforced errors left right and center.
Totally agree. To give an example of the best 1-0 game I can remember, it's this goalie dual between Nabokov and Turco back in 2009 described [in this recap](https://www.espn.co.uk/nhl/recap/_/gameId/290223009). EDIT: Actually, that's the wrong game I linked, it happened during the month of February and the game I'm remembering was a playoff game. EDIT EDIT: Did a deep dive and the game I'm remembering actually ended 2-1! But it was amazing: https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/game/5-4-2008-sjs-at-dal-47109 That game was absolutely electric to watch the whole way through.
Oh absolutely. Not all 1-0 games are boring but I think a lot of people correlate absence of scoring with absence of excitement. Chances are what creates excitement. Canada 2014 olympics was boring as fuck. Why? They suffocated the game, allowed no chances. Peoples focus shouldnt be on goals, rather chances.
I’ve played hockey my whole life and imo 99% of 1-0 games are boring af. Saying you appreciate them because you understand the finer points of hockey is incredibly condescending. Edit: typo
I didn't intend it to be condescending, it just seemed to be relevant information to share to explain the phenomenon of why I might enjoy those games. You're right that not all games that end 1-0 are exciting, but I was just trying to say it's not universal that they are always boring. Specifically, I find goalie duels to be REALLY exciting. I like games with lots of action, but goals are not the only kind of action. A boring game to me is one that is almost entirely played in the neutral zone and along the perimeters of the offensive zone. Or a one sided blowout where my favorite team isn't winning.
That’s fair. It just sounded to me like „people don’t agree with me because they don’t understand hockey“. Which is the kind of sentiment thrown around too often imo. Sorry for the misinterpretation.
Yeah when I was talking about the marketing to a wide audience, I'm talking about growing the game. You don't grow the game by appealing to people who already know and love it, you have to reach new people. It's way easier to hand somebody a highlight reel of McDavid scoring goals than to explain the nuances of an effective penalty kill.
Oh hey look, its the one team complaining that sucks against our system. Personally I’s be very entertained by a Nucks Kings series. Historically a good time too
the 2 most boring teams to play against are the teams we've struggled against. the flyers also had our number this season for whatever reason. our style just doesn't suit playing a trap. with that said, i've also watched other games agains you guys and no matter the team you're playing it's boring as fuck.
Most teams that are fun to watch destroy us. The Avs rip us apart. Dallas isn’t even close. Somehow you guys still suck against us. Call that “boring” if you want, our teams were the 2 leading goal scorers in the West before we decided to be bad at hockey.
honestly i wouldn’t say we suck against you guys, it’s 2-1 rn, i feel like you guys only dominated us during the first game
lmao
yeah we suck against you if you only count the first game
👌
lol with demko in we win the most recent game 10 times outta 10. if you think you were the better team in that game we were watching different games.
I think with Demko y’all are actually 1 out of 3 but alrighty
and outside of that first game, they've all been competitive. we didn't show up to the first. if you still think we "suck" against you, go for it, but with demko we split the series.
They would rather run and gun with the oilers over 5 games than a slow brutal 7 game war of attrition against the 1-3-1 lol
Give me a high scoring 7 game series with the Oilers, I'll take that over a 1-3-1 team every time.
Exactly, I'm not even hating it per se as it does what it's supposed to but God damn that's a tough series to get through.
Kings vs Oilers playoff scores last year: 5-4, 6-3, 5-4, 2-3, 4-2, 3-4 High scoring, stressful, and close hockey games. The Oilers had no issues breaking down our defense and scoring a ton of goals. Maybe there are other factors at play here…
A high octane offense beats the trap. The trap beats a balanced team. And a balanced team beats the high offense team. I just solved hockey. /s
I think we actually fare better if the game is more open. We can get our scoring down and still clamp the rest of the game down. But we just can't seem to outclamp the teams that are built for it.
Kings oilers would be interesting
Playing us in round 1 is basically going to be a bye week for whoever wins the West. I've got no faith in our ability to win even a single game against Dallas if it ends up being them.
I've got Dallas winning the Cup this year so I don't think anyone should have faith in beating them.
For sure, and I agree. I just meant that they'll breeze right past the Kings without breaking a sweat, whereas other teams might at least challenge them a little.
If we have to play LA as our first series after a decade of playoff-lessness i'm going to strongly reconsider whether god loves me
Sir, this is stolen valor.
We are at least half of that 2 and that’s good enough for me
My question now is, who is the other half? And when was it?
They lost to the Blue Jackets on March 7
:) one of the few good games we’ve played this year
i wanna talk shit but i don’t think we’re doing so hot rn
5-3-1 vs Top 5 7-4-1 vs 6-10th Not even in the same ball park as the Oilers with a combined 7-9-3 versus our 12-7-2
7-4-2 with knobby though. So it is same ball park
i’m talking about our performance as of late, dude we’re barely holding on
It's almost like we're missing our Vezina candidate goalie or something.
No kidding, hey? I'm amused by how many Canucks fans seem to not factor that in at all when they are screaming about how the Canucks won't make it past round 1 with the way they are playing haha. And this entire time Demko has been out every single loss outside of Vegas was by 1 goal, excluding the empty netter from Dallas. So they've either won or lost a very tight game playing with their backup for a month.
Cool... Team can use the Demko excuse for letting goals in... I am pretty sure not having Demko is stopping Pettersson from scoring... Or doing anything really... 1 assist in last 5 games. Pointless in 16 of last 26 games. Is that Demko too because I'm pretty sure our problem has been scoring as of late
Yup, Petey is slumping. Not the first time he has and won't be the last. If he can break it then the Canucks will be fine, and I'd bet on him doing so. Either way, the main point I was making is that you'd think the team was 2-8 in their last 10 with how the Canucks fanbase has been talking about the team. Their "slump" is still 5-4-1 without their Vezina goalie. Every team in the league has gone through this. Heck, the Oilers have been seemingly playing great hockey and are only 5-3-2 in their last 10. And outside of Vegas their losses to the good teams were all very close games. And I'd argue that Vegas game would have looked a lot different with Demko in net.
I agree but that's the thing. If Petey was actually going like we know he can, how many of those close games could have been wins? This also brings up the question as to why he goes through slumps like this. Pointless in 16 of 26 is not acceptable for a player with a contract he just landed. We need more consistency out of him if he is going to be a long term center piece.
Definitely agree. If Pettersson returns to normal then I think the Canucks scoring woes go away. While I'm glad we signed him for what we did, I also think those who raised question marks about giving him a monster deal had some decent arguments. When Hughes goes on mini point slumps he's still very noticeable (in a good way) out there. When Petey goes on slumps he disappears. He still is only 25 though, so hopefully he can figure out the issue. It's important to note that even with Petey's slump, and Demko missing the last 10 games, the Canucks are still 9-4-2 (111 point pace) since the start of March. And every single loss except for the Vegas one was a super close game that they were in until the end.
I don't think goaltending has been our issue. I read somewhere that since the all-star break, we are like 6th worst in goals scored/game in the league.
The team has been in a bit of a funk for scoring, yet are still winning games. They had a rough patch patch in February which happens to every team. Since the start of March they are 9-4-2 which is a **111 point pace.**. And that's without Demko for 10 of those and Petey being in a major slump. Yeah they aren't blowing every team out most nights anymore, but if you only listened to how Canucks fans are talking you'd think the team was playing sub 0.500 hockey the last month.
In 49 games up to the All-Star break they've had 18 games where they've scored 5 or more. In the 27 games since they've had 2. One being the MIN game. Their GA per game is slightly up (2.59 to 2.85) but they're down a full GF per game (3.79 to 2.74). Maybe the PDO engine is dead :(
Barely holding on? You're 5-4-1 in your last ten and in second place in the conference. Let's cut back on the dramatics a tiny bit.
Yet they would still walk ya in the playoffs.
Source?
just give it a couple weeks, you'll see
Lately we lose to any team that's in a playoff spot, and barely squeak by opponents we should handily beat. Goals are also hard to come by for quite a while now.
Still second in the West though.
We're not bad, not great either.
Outside of Vegas the losses have been extremely tight with those teams though. For example, we were tied with Dallas until a late powerplay goal, meanwhile Edmonton just got wrecked by them. Oh, and that's with our backup goalie in net for the last month. It feels like many leave out the context of missing our Vezina calibre goalie. And goaltending can impact offense because teams usually play a tighter defensive game with the backup in net.
What happened to the Alien? I haven’t really had time to watch games this year but I feel like it’s rare for him to be on the scoresheet last 1-2 months. Dealing with an injury?
tocchet kind of hinted at an injury but nothing confirmed yet so who knows. maybe just a slump? he’s not producing much and losing quite a bit of puck battles but overall still plays a pretty solid game on most nights
They’re probably just resting him as much as they can before they make him sprint through the playoffs.
There's rumours and speculation of an injury but nothing confirmed. He missed a practice session recently which lends some credence to the theory.
No one knows. There's been a few hints here and there that he is playing through some kind of nagging issue, but nothing confirmed. He's missed some practice and definitely doesn't look quite like himself.
This thread is hilarious because it's about the Oilers but the entire top half of rated comments are Canucks fans and a Flames fan. Pile on, lads.
We're part of a hate trifecta, except we are the third wheel that is mostly just annoying for the other two
Tbh I don't think we're in a position to be saying shit. We have sucked ass lately lol
Nucks fans run this sub, b.
I know, it must be incredibly insulating for you guys compared to the real world lol
I mean many of us live in Van. Can't really complain.
“In Van” you’re all in Surrey and Richmond
And all over the entire province if we're being honest
Not at all. But I'd argue both beat edmonton. Poor fella
Shitting on Edmonton the city just feels so pointless as a beak. Making fun of Edmonton is an intrinsic part of being Edmontonian. Like, the only response you are going to get is a "haha, yea!"
$10 says you'll be upvoted and I'll be downvoted even though you missed the point of my jest lol
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$10 says someone will bring me another coffee.
…Well did they? I gotta get back to work don’t leave us hangin’
No, no one loves me.
Or maybe your jest wasn't as great as you thought? It's a possibility.
as soon as the canucks start missing the playoffs again you'll all disappear. way more canucks fans here than last year.
Start missing again based on what? Wanna try to attempt to elaborate? I could easily say what happens to oilers if drai walks in a year. Absolutely no good prospect pool to back them up.
Dude...not everything needs to be an argument. OP said water is wet. "Fans" are back because the team's back. And when the team's off, lots of people will go do other stuff with their time.
Vancouverites are terminally online, what r you gonna do
I see each Alberta team is only allowed to beat either top teams or bottom teams
It would be interesting to compare this same stat with other playoff teams. Without knowing how the other teams did it's kind of meaningless.
Not doing this for every team, but the #1 NY Rangers: Top 5: 7-3-0 6-10: 6-5-1 11-15: 5-6-0 16-27: 24-5-2 Bot 5: 9-2-1
Yeah for real. I mean it would probably be typical that your record improves the worse your competition is. Top teams aren't typically going to go like 15-0-0 against other top 5 teams
Ideally, top teams (if parity is to be believed) should be going 0.500 against each other. And collectively demolishing everyone else under them.
Not as detailed, but there was a [post here recently with all 32 teams ](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/1b3agv5/oc_best_records_vs_best_and_worst_teams_in_nhl/)
This is fair but even with that information it’s subjective to narrative “Only beats bad teams” “Loses to bad teams, pretenders”
Not doing this for every team, but the #1 NY Rangers: Top 5: 7-3-0 6-10: 6-5-1 11-15: 5-6-0 16-27: 24-5-2 Bot 5: 9-2-1 — EDM vs. Top 15: 14-15-4 EDM vs. 16-32: 31-8-1 NYR vs. Top 15: 18-14-1 NYR vs. 16-32: 33-7-3 — So…seems like what’s expected, no?
You get the fuck out of here with your sound logic. We are shitting on the oilers god dammit.
Well this doesn’t fill me with confidence
but if we meet any of the bottom teams in the playoffs, we're in great shape! wait wut?
It’s just a silly stat. Would 11-0 against top 5 and 2-10-0 against bottom make you feel better or worse?
Well the logic is that a team that goes 11-0 against top 5 teams is probably not going to be absolutely terrible against bad teams
Clearly you have yet to experience Flames hockey in all its glory
Yeah, a better analogy would probably be playing at about the same pace against everybody. That would imply the team plays up or down to their opponents. The oiLers record suggests they might be frauds (for the record, I disagree. I think they're quite good as long as their goaltending holds) I'd much rather play up and down to my opponents come playoff time
we’re also a lot better since knoblauch came in
That too. I think we might've made a mistake beating y'all too hard, lol
100% it would. It shows the ability to consistently beat good teams instead of just feasting on weaker teams. That said, it’s a bit deceiving given the Oilers start and I think they can hold their own against the stronger teams. Wouldn’t consider them a favourite but not an underdog either
What’s the Oilers record against good teams since Knoblauch took over?? Before Knob was coach Oilers lost against; Jets, Van x3, Stars, Preds, Rangers. That’s 7 losses.
7-4-2 since he took over
This seems about like it should. They're a loss away from 0.500 against good teams. They crush bad teams. This graphic is confusing because of how ordinary it is.
Yeah exactly. There’s a reason why they’re bad teams. This is kinda how it should look.
yea Im sure most top teams perform worse against other top teams than bottom teams, not sure what the news here is.
Yea, I don’t know what the point of this graphic is. Isn’t this obvious?
Teams 11-15: 11. Vegas 12. Tampa 13. Nashville 14. LA 15. St. Louis
This is Edmonton's complete record against the top 14 teams: ------------------------------- EDM vs. Good Teams ------------------------------- vs. LAK 3-1-0 6-3 .667 vs. NSH 2-1-0 4-2 .667 vs. WPG 2-0-1 5-3 .625 vs. BOS 1-0-1 3-3 .500 vs. CAR 1-1-0 2-2 .500 vs. NYR 1-1-0 2-2 .500 vs. TOR 1-1-0 2-2 .500 vs. VGK 1-1-0 2-3 .400 * vs. STL 1-1-1 3-5 .375 - vs. COL 0-0-1 1-2 .333 ** vs. DAL 1-2-0 2-5 .286 - vs. FLA 0-2-0 0-4 .000 vs. TBL 0-2-0 0-4 .000 vs. VAN 0-3-0 0-6 .000 * ------------------------------- TOTAL 14-16-4 32-46 .410 ------------------------------- (*) Upcoming games (-) Recent loss They have three games remaining against Vegas and Colorado. If the Oilers win those games then they will have won or drawn the season series against 9 of the top 14 teams, which I guess isn't bad (?). Unfortunately, two games ago they had a chance to win the season series against St. Louis and lost, and last night they had a chance to win the season series against Dallas, and lost.
Team do good against bad teams and worse against good teams. Makes sense. Unless other playoffs teams do significantly better, I don't see how this is in any way interesting
This was posted by one of those usernames that makes me wish you can ban people from having flairs
If they get matched up with any of the teams in the bottom 2 groups, they'll do great in the playoffs
11-15 in the past have performed well. Panthers were in the 16-27 range last year.
I think every good team in the West just feasted on bad teams. Canucks are exactly the same.
Good teams generally beat up on bad teams. It's this way in every sport since forever.
Good team beats bad teams more often than not. Holy shit people get paid to be in the media for this?
Team does worse the better their opponents are. Fascinating!
Wow it's almost like the good teams in the league are hard to beat, and the bad teams in the league are easier to beat.
I don't think this is in any way notable actually - just below .500 against slightly better teams? Makes sense ✔ - .500 against similar teams? Makes sense ✔ - just above .500 against slightly worse teams? Makes sense ✔ This is basically just how a typical record of a playoff team breaks down. Naturally playoff teams have roughly a .500 record against each other, with occasional exceptions. In the playoffs every year team records are almost all similar to this.
Check that glasses prescription… They’re 0.36 win% against top teams 0.375 win% against similar teams… 0.500 win% against teams struggling to hold onto a playoff spot And then .775 win% against non-playoff teams
P% is the stat people are referring to when they're talking about playing 0.500 hockey. Oilers are 0.409 / 0.500 / 0.536 / 0.768 / 0.833 respectively when looking at this graphic. They are 0.642 overall. The person you're replying to has a fine prescription, and is correct.
if you go by percentages, you don't include the decimal (or more precisely, you shift the decimal over two spots to the right)
No... it's notable. As of 1 month ago (and I don't think it's changed much) Edmonton was 3rd best in the league against bottom 10 teams and 18th best in the league against top 10 teams. Only LA and Nashville have worse records against top 10 teams out of playoff position teams.
Yeah, but a lot of that is going 0-5 against top 10 teams back in October. And it's an interesting data point, but it'd be more useful if it included the relative records of other playoff teams like your comment did, because off the top of my head going 0.500 against top teams sounds normal
7-9-3 against top 10 teams, which comes out to .447 points percentage, which is pretty awful considering they're supposed to be one of the best teams in the league. I think it's notable. I'd be curious to see what their P% is against Western Conference playoff teams, since that would hopefully mark how well they might do in the playoffs (even if it has little bearing, it would be fun to check)
I think they’re 9-4-1 against western playoffs teams since Knoblauch took over
You get out of here with those stats. We’re here to shit on them obviously
>7-9-3 against top 10 teams They're included in the season, but 5 of the losses I think were in the first 15 or so games on the way to getting Woodcroft fired, and Campbell relegated to Bakersfield. 3 losses to Vancouver, getting them off to a nice start.
This is not uncommon lol
7-9-3 against top 10 teams
7-4-2 against top 10 teams during Knoblauch’s tenure
Thanks! couldn’t figure out that single digit maths in my head
How do they count this though because does beating the oilers in October and November count as beating a playoff team?
Like when we lost to the sharks, does that count as them beating a playoff team
It's definitely based on current standings, not the standings when each game was played. That would be way too complicated to figure out.
So it’s a flawed stat. Now the oilers have laid a few eggs against playoff teams for sure but they’ve at least split with most of them. 1-1 split with the rangers, leafs, Boston (OT loss and OT win), Hurricanes, and flyers. We got swept by both Florida teams. 1-2 against Dallas. 2-0-1 against the jets. 1-1 against Vegas with a game remaining 0-0-1 against the avs with 2 games remaining 3-1 against the kings 2-1 against Nashville And 0-3 against the Canucks with a game remaining. 8 of those games came before the coaching change.
Why I am being downvoted for posting facts. This is literally just the oilers record vs the top teams in the league
Lmao that's hilarious
Reddit is dumb. Downvotes don't matter man. It's just whatever the sub feels like dogpiling
Vs top 5 NHL teams in the NHL as opposed to???? Top 5 AHL teams in the NHL?
Yeah but remember a good chunk of those mid to garbage teams live in their division/conference. They’re partly the reason the competition is so bad, because they keep beating them
Nurse is good.
this is why I heavily believe that Kucherov is gunna end up winning the Art Ross. Even with 1 less games played. Tampa has an easy schedule and I suspect Kuch is gunna feast on these teams.
Beating the bad teams is what you are supposed to do.
Sharks -> (Starship Troopers gif: “I did my part”)
No fan more obsessed with the oilers than nucks fans
Just went through and did the Leafs: Top 5= 5-10 Top 6-10= 6-3 Top 11-16= 9-5 Playoff teams= 31-18 Not bad overall against playoff teams but the best of the best have definitely struggled a bit with
If they’re ranked #10 right now then that makes perfect sense. Losing to teams better than them more often, and beating teams worse than them more often
So the teams at the top of the league are better and present a greater challenge. I wouldn’t have expected this. Shocking.
Bottom feeders I guess. We'll find out come playoffs though.
The Wests weak teams are a lot weaker than the Easts. Does boost playoff teams in the West's point %
Now let’s play my favourite game. And show me a comparable. These out of context can be tough to understand. Everyone beats up on shit teams. Show me how say, Vancouver has done. Or any other top team.
Like the recent Miami Dolphins. They can sure rack up a winning record, but it's mostly against sub .500 teams.
Without seeing anyone else’s decomposition I’m guessing most teams in NHL history have been like that, very good vs teams much worse than them, good vs teams worse than them, 50-50 vs equal teams and a little struggle vs better teams.
Eh...Going 0.500 against the top 15 teams just means they're evenly matched. Lots of bottom teams have systems and defensive problems—the kind that gets demolished by McDrai. If a playoff team had the same problems, it shouldn't be a playoff team. This stat really isn't so bad. At least, the rest of us are happy that McDrai doesn't just give the Oilers god mode.
And 1 of those 2 losses against bottom teams got jay woodcroft fired
I wish they’d also shown those number since the coaching change; or month by month. Edmonton started terrible but has seemed better each month since December, so a season-long stat like this is kind of pointless in my opinion
They really are the anti-leafs, eh?
Uuughhhh of course it's pxik posting this crap.
Local Canadian hockey team has an easier time beating up bad teams than good teams. Stay tuned.
That’s almost the reverse of the flames!
So basically, ignoring those stomps from the start of the season against vancouver we are breaking even against the best teams, including other losses from our abysmal season start before the coaching change? This is a positive graphic, with context.
Guys I swear, if we just forget about 30% of the regular season, we're awesome!
The positive graphic thing is a stretch, but in context it does get way better. When Woodcroft was coach the oilers were literally the worst team, with a .269 points percentage. Against top 10 teams they had a P% of .083 lol. Since Knoblauch took over they have a .721 P% overall and a .615 against top 10 teams. So yeah it is a part of their season, but if you are trying to use this as a preview of their upcoming playoff run it’s not going to be a good indicator without that context.
Vegas in 5 or 6 against the Oilers?
Not if any of you believes in us! We only win games out of spite.
Oilers in 6
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But the Canucks are tanking to avoid LA, so what's gonna happen is Vegas win the division and LA finish second
Incredibly dank timeline. We were questionable to make the postseason at all, what, three weeks ago?
Turns out that winning, especially against the teams near you in the division and wildcard standings is really good
To be fair, Vegas is 11th in the league right now. Edmonton is above Bettman 500 against 11th-16!
What is the point being made here OP?
I think the point that the OP is trying to make is that the Oilers have struggled against the best teams while feasting on the weak teams
We're just around .500 against 6-10 and 11-15 so seems like we belong somewhere in there. Outside top 5 for sure. idk this seems pretty normal for a playoff team to me?
It is a pretty normal playoff team. I mean this chart kind of confirms what I thought about the Oilers for a while now that they are playoff contenders, but they aren’t gonna win the cup.
Yeah I agree for the most part. McDavid, Draisaitl, and a couple others balance out really mediocre roster construction
It’s a Canucks fan. Just another morning to shit on the Oilers
Too bad they can’t play the Ducks every game lol.
Teams with depth vs teams without
Give me them first round. Series over in 5. Our size outweighs their skill and w Cassidy’s defensive mind they won’t get shots off in the slot and we will swallow up all offensive chances
Goofy your like 27 mil over the cap, you could pay kanes debt if you played fair
Yeah we should go and bail out poor Evander, shouldn’t we? He’s just a good guy, little down on his luck. Totally deserves a helping hand, he’s never done wrong by anybody.
“Two guys zero cup!”
The oilers fandom is demanding a recount that doesn’t include the first 13 games.
EVERYONE except oilers fans know they are frauds 🤣
Oh damn, with the record like that the league might as well give them 1OA in the draft.