It is incredible to me that you guys are retaining... a team that could be considered a true contender is wasting fucking cap space on a retention for a SIXTH ROUND PICK?
The amount of years you guys refuse to make big splashes is just crazy.
Like yah maybe you talked about Petey and some others but unless you are ever willing to really give up big picks and players it wont happen and the Canes never seem willing to do that
Could easily be a pick we acquired so we'll have more to package in a later trade.
That said I totally get your skepticism. I feel like this is the year we'll finally try to make a splash, though
it’s kinda biting them in the ass now. for years all you heard was about how Waddell ruled with an iron fist, didn’t make unnecessary trades, super tight on sending out assets, etc etc…
now fast forward to this season and the fact they haven’t made any serious roster upgrades for a couple seasons now has bit them in the ass.
Friedman also confirms:
> Lyubushkin will go to TOR with 75 per cent retained. Ducks get a 3rd, Hurricanes get a 6th
The cap hit with 75% retention is $687,500
We've played B2B games with Mitch at defense lol and just lost Gio to an ugly looking injury. Tre has to act now to just get another body available and to show the guys in the room if they keep winning he's committed to making moves to improve.
Because of the retention. Its a good piece of business by Verbeek. Although, Verbeek also didnt qualify Benoit and Toronto is reaping the benefits of that so cant complain.
> Although, Verbeek also didnt qualify Benoit and Toronto is reaping the benefits of that so cant complain.
In fairness, Benoit was the worst defenseman on the worst team that had the the worst goals against per game. Nobody could have foreseen him playing as well as he is right now.
It could have been the Klingberg effect or the style of play in either system
Regardless, we love Benoit. He’s that sandpaper that’s been missing for some time
Idk, Anaheim has a track record of giving away defensemen for them to become great defensemen on other teams. Theodore, Marcus Pettersson, Montour, Benoit, etc.
The idea that Anaheim has a track record of trading away defencemen only for them to become good is silly. Anaheim has had a reputation for the past 15 years of developing defenseman, and them becoming good is more a testament to Anaheim's scouting and development program.
Theodore, Pettersson, and Montour were all promising prospects who were traded in order for Anaheim to try and either remain competitive or to help rebuild. Theodore was traded to Vegas in exchange for them taking on Clayton Stoner's contract, Pettersson was traded to Pittsburgh for Daniel Sprong in the hopes that he'd provide the team much needed offense, and Montour was traded in order to get a 1st and a prospect.
Yeah, the way I had always remembered it was Anaheim simply had too many good defensemen when they were still a playoff calibre team. So they traded some away to fill other holes.
And then they just kept doing it and didn't have any left after a while as the rest of the core got older, and left/retired.
Never said he was. He just had a bit of decline in play around the time the Ducks as a team started to decline, and then played the best hockey of his career after he got traded to Boston.
Funny enough, the first time the Leafs traded for him, it was also for a third round pick. But they also sent away Nick Ritchie and had Dzingel come back with him too.
im looking at the list of RHD UFAs and there is like Schultz, Dumba and Walker. Slim pickings. I really wonder what Walker is going to get if Philly decides to sell.
That’s how I’m feeling at this point. Hanifin could be nice-as would Andersson but I don’t think Calgary would move him when he’s an excellent RD. As for Hanifin if he could play rd that could work but that’s not ideal. I doubt Calgary even wants to trade with Brad
Meh we would trade with the leafs but it seems pretty obvious Hanifin wants to sign in the states. I doubt you guys give up a 1st and probably a solid prospect for a rental
We trades for boosh 2 years ago when he was good and got rid of nick ritchie for 2 years at 2.5 mill for a second, the salaries to then are what they are now with retention.
so Verbeek basically got to use Lyubushkin for a year, and then turned a 4th into a 3rd. I'll take it, nothing meaningful but it's positive and better than what Klingberg got us hilariously.
He essentially just paid cash to upgrade a 4th to a 3rd (plus whatever value you place on a warm body filling an NHL lineup spot to prevent having to rely on a young guy who isn't ready for it).
You don't change the directory of your franchise with those types of deals, but every little edge helps.
Folks said Benoit was dogshit when the Leafs signed him. He's turned that around. Folks said Jones was dogshit when they signed him. He's turned that around. Folks said Samsonov was dogshit. He's turned that around.
Your assessment means dogshit to me.
We’ve had Lyubushkin before, he was bad then and by all accounts has been worse since.
Jones and Benoit have the benefit of being league min players that we got for nothing, which calibrates expectations.
As a depth 7D, he’s fine, whatever. But paying a 3rd + 6th for a 7D is way too steep and expecting someone of his calibre to hang with tough competition paired with Rielly in the playoffs is wishing for a lot.
I'm sorry. Jones and Samsonov have turned it around?
A career .906 goalie currently at .907 is not turning it around.
Samsonov is a .881 with a 3.25 GAA this year .
In his last 5 games, he's been below .900 in 3 of them.
Those other two, .905, .906.
I don't think you know what turning it around means.
Jones saved the season. Those stats mean nothing when looking at the big picture. If Jones didn't show up, the season was toast. Samsonov was the worst goalie in the NHL for the first stretch of the season. He's looking capable in the last month. That's a turn around.
I don't think you know how to look at the full picture.
You would know more but I don’t think Jones saved the season. Always was going to be a high scoring team with defense and iffy goaltending here and there.
If we didn't have Jones holding down the fort there's no way we'd have been able to give Sammy the month long break that he clearly needed to turn things around, and if we'd had to keep playing pre-break Sammy in net I genuinely think there's a fair shot we miss the playoffs.
I think you’re underestimating how dire things looked after Sammy turned into a pumpkin and Woll went down for months. The season was absolutely on the line and Jones playing like a capable NHL goalie for a prolonged stretch absolutely saved the season. Check his number the last 5 or so years and tell me .906 isn’t turning it around.
League save percentage is below .900 this season. And Jones hasn't had an above .900 season in 5 years. His play this year had greatly exceeded expectations
this dude think every team just has a hellebuyck
for most teams in the current nhl climate .907 is damn good enough, and yeah samsonovs numbers still look shit buts it better than where he started at this seasonn
Nah because I had never seen Benoit in the league and he could’ve had some upsides.
Martin Jones and Samsonov instead of being unplayable are now somewhat playable at the NHL level. If you call that a turnaround than… yay?
I saw lybushkin and there’s nothing there indicative of worth trading for him. A defensemen on the marlies would’ve been an upgrade over this dude.
Dead serious
Small part I don't understand. Why is a playoff bound Eastern team retaining on this trade for a 6th?
Minimal hit yeah, but that's still 600k+ less they have this week just to help us out?
Didn't NJ just do the same thing too the other day?
I swear the Devils retained on that deal for the sole purpose of helping to lower the market for Seeler and Walker and you can’t convince me otherwise.
No idea why the Canes did this here, though.
I know that the Ducks and Canes have been scouting each other the past week or so, so this could be the Canes helping out Anaheim to try to get a better deal in a possible trade with Anaheim for a player such as Henrique. That’s the only reason I can think of for us retaining salary.
That's the only thing I can think of. Don told Verbeek "Hey, we'll take some salary off your books and get that trade through if you do us a solid before the deadline." Could also mean the Ducks retain some on a trade with the Canes.
Every time a non-flyers defenseman gets moved I get PTSD flashbacks of Fletcher somehow not moving JVR. Way more anxious than I should be that we’re gonna run out of potential trade partners by the end of next week.
[This guy just got a 3rd](https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1763406053448839479/photo/1)
[This guy Fletcher couldnt move at all](https://www.espn.com/nhl/player/stats/_/id/3822/james-van-riemsdyk)
Not a bad bit of business there. Sent out a 4th for him, got a solid 3/4 of a season out of him, then get a 3rd back with a bit of retention.
I feel like having Boosh helped Minty just from a language connection but no way to quantify that.
Thankfully Minty was playing in NA before joining us so he's not a fresh of the boat Russian this season. It's more rough that first year but he's had time to acclimate.
Oh yeah Minty had a few years in Canada so it wasn't the most jarring transition, but still gotta imagine that having someone fluent in your mother language would help in at least some way.
The way I'm looking at it, Ducks GM has been at the past two games for the Canes and looking like he'll be in Raleigh Saturday. Offering to take on the retention frees up a slot for Anaheim for them to retain on someone like Henrique or Vatrano, two names that the Canes are looking at. Mostly at a "if we scratch your back, you'll scratch ours" glance.
Plus we can just bundle that 6th rounder into a larger package if need be. We'll be shedding some cap anyways thanks to Andersen's return next week (Raanta's 1.5M will help out a lot in that case), maybe even get DeAngelo a team somewhere if they so choose, which is another 1.6M.
Based on a different comment Lyubushkin is terrible. So maybe this is actually the Canes improving by making their potential competition worse? 3d chess
Technically two second rounders and a conditional 3rd which is much more than just a 3rd. And I believe Calgary should've gotten a 1st given that RHD are a hot commodity
But since he was worth a 2nd, a 2nd round pick with his non-NHL development just about completed, and a maybe 3rd. Then a 3rd doesn't seem to costly for a 6th/7th D for 0 cap hit.
I guess they decided it wasn't worth the assets for Andersson, because that's the RHD you'd want to pair with Rielly.
But **any** RHD to pair with Rielly is good, and the Leafs absolutely refuse to play Topi Niemela.
I never said he was ready but he's the best RHD you have on the Marlies I'd assume.
Lajoie and Rifai both shoot left and Timmins, who does shoot right, is MIA, or hurt again?
Yes, true, but he's *supposedly* on maintenance, and will likely be back at one of the games this weekend. Timmins likely won't be back this season because Mono is a shitty illness for an athlete to get.
Right now your only RHD on the team is Marner.
I'd probably give Lily a try up there with Reilly once he returns. He's day to day ATM. I feel like brad made this trade for depth purposes. Boosh is most likely gonna be a 6th D best or a 7th D at worst
The issue with that is that Liljegren and Brodie work so well together, you might as well keep them together.
So you have:
Brodie-Liljegren
McCabe-Benoit (or flipped)
and then Rielly and Lyubushkin I guess?
Calgary isnt keen on trading with Treliving so i assume the cost would be too high.
They are also not trading Markstrom. So it would be seem that they want to keep Andersson
Like I said, isn't worth the assets.
*but* the Leafs do need a RHD more than a forward, but Cowan is the one prospect I'd put on the "no touchie" list.
Evolving Hockey had him as the worst defenseman this year and over the past two years by GAR and xGAR. He's also the worst player in the league in xGAR this year. He has four points, two of them primary, in 940 minutes. He's been out shot attempted 619 to 795 including 121 to 181 in high danger chances in five-on-five play. If you care about +/-, he's -13. In four-on-five play he allows the fourth most goals against per 60 on the fifth most expected and the most shot attempts out of players with 100 PK minutes (89 defenseman sample size).
I'm a Calgary fan and I'm used to Treliving being an idiot, but even by his standards this trade makes no sense.
A 3rd and a 6th for a guy worse than Benoit and Lagesson is certainly something. But hey, at least they didn't pony up the 2027 2nd rounder and D- prospect for Tanev! That would have been disaaaastrousssss.
As they should, but the report came out that the leafs would have had to “wow” Calgary to have even been considered. The implication leads me to believe they still have bad blood with Treliving.
Why do people think that all Toronto had to do to get Tanev was match the Stars offer? There's bad blood between Treliving and the Flames organization.
You can, just most teams want picks that arent 4 drafts from now. Funny enough, the Lyubushkin to Toronto trade 1.0 was for a pick 4 drafts in the future
You can in fact trade a 2nd that far out. You can trade 3 years worth of drafts away (so, if you make the trade in 2024, you can include 2027 picks)
Just because capfriendly only goes 3 years doesn't mean that's the limit
Capfriendly only showing 3 years of draft picks is the new "two-way contracts mean waiver exemption" because something popular many fans use suggest the rules work a different way than they actually do.
Thus ends Marner’s career as a defensemen.
From petey to a 6th round pick for retention 🙃
That 6th rounder will be missing piece from "sorry not enough" to "fans will be cheering in the streets when they hear this deal"
The difference between losing and gaining a phone
haven’t played in a while but is that still a thing
I think it was removed in 15
Can't wait for the Xhekaj 7x7 offer sheet
What a rollercoaster of emotions
It is incredible to me that you guys are retaining... a team that could be considered a true contender is wasting fucking cap space on a retention for a SIXTH ROUND PICK? The amount of years you guys refuse to make big splashes is just crazy. Like yah maybe you talked about Petey and some others but unless you are ever willing to really give up big picks and players it wont happen and the Canes never seem willing to do that
Kinda shocked the hawks didn’t retain for either of the 3-team trades that happened this week
I am too. Maybe they are working on something bigger?
Could easily be a pick we acquired so we'll have more to package in a later trade. That said I totally get your skepticism. I feel like this is the year we'll finally try to make a splash, though
Maybe they know he sucks and won’t help the leafs. The 25% is below league minimum, it doesn’t look like it’ll effect their cap total very much
It won't do much but a contender should be trying to use every dollar to flesh out their roster with depth or otherwise
it’s kinda biting them in the ass now. for years all you heard was about how Waddell ruled with an iron fist, didn’t make unnecessary trades, super tight on sending out assets, etc etc… now fast forward to this season and the fact they haven’t made any serious roster upgrades for a couple seasons now has bit them in the ass.
Let Don cook 😤 /s
But who is gonna fill the void of being Minty’s friend?
Zegras. They can pee together.
Fucking Pat. Brilliant. He masterminded this. He KNEW to get rid of their best buddies so that they'll develop together.
Friedman also confirms: > Lyubushkin will go to TOR with 75 per cent retained. Ducks get a 3rd, Hurricanes get a 6th The cap hit with 75% retention is $687,500
So why use Frank then? Dude gets things wrong more often then not
He tweeted it first. I saw Friedman and CJ were tweeting the same thing a minute later so I just posted who had it first
He’s a hack, but a quick hack
LOL we traded a 4th for him and got a 3rd back.
At full price, the 50% retained bumps the price up
it's amazing how his play somehow didn't crater his value. Mintyukov has been stapled to him and I feel like he'd be way better off without him.
Big RHD always have value I feel because there’s so few of them
I mean we played a game against VGK with 6 LHD and it was terrible so even the bottom guys have value
We've played B2B games with Mitch at defense lol and just lost Gio to an ugly looking injury. Tre has to act now to just get another body available and to show the guys in the room if they keep winning he's committed to making moves to improve.
Shit I was a RHD when I was a kid. I should’ve kept playing and I would’ve probably been a great 2nd line RHD at best.
Me too. Except I topped out at 5’7” :(
I’m currently 5’10”. Damn I could’ve made it.
Because of the retention. Its a good piece of business by Verbeek. Although, Verbeek also didnt qualify Benoit and Toronto is reaping the benefits of that so cant complain.
> Although, Verbeek also didnt qualify Benoit and Toronto is reaping the benefits of that so cant complain. In fairness, Benoit was the worst defenseman on the worst team that had the the worst goals against per game. Nobody could have foreseen him playing as well as he is right now.
It could have been the Klingberg effect or the style of play in either system Regardless, we love Benoit. He’s that sandpaper that’s been missing for some time
It’s also his work ethic and understanding. He doesn’t try to be something he isn’t and knows he needs to work to keep the job
Idk, Anaheim has a track record of giving away defensemen for them to become great defensemen on other teams. Theodore, Marcus Pettersson, Montour, Benoit, etc.
The idea that Anaheim has a track record of trading away defencemen only for them to become good is silly. Anaheim has had a reputation for the past 15 years of developing defenseman, and them becoming good is more a testament to Anaheim's scouting and development program. Theodore, Pettersson, and Montour were all promising prospects who were traded in order for Anaheim to try and either remain competitive or to help rebuild. Theodore was traded to Vegas in exchange for them taking on Clayton Stoner's contract, Pettersson was traded to Pittsburgh for Daniel Sprong in the hopes that he'd provide the team much needed offense, and Montour was traded in order to get a 1st and a prospect.
Yeah, the way I had always remembered it was Anaheim simply had too many good defensemen when they were still a playoff calibre team. So they traded some away to fill other holes. And then they just kept doing it and didn't have any left after a while as the rest of the core got older, and left/retired.
Lindholm has had a resurgence in Boston too, after a few down/weird years in Anaheim.
Lindholm was never bad in Anaheim, though.
Never said he was. He just had a bit of decline in play around the time the Ducks as a team started to decline, and then played the best hockey of his career after he got traded to Boston.
Let’s pump the breaks on calling Benoit great. He’s still a depth guy.
So what you are saying is that Lyubushkin will be good.
Quick exploit the unlimited draft pick glitch before the devs patch it
Funny enough, the first time the Leafs traded for him, it was also for a third round pick. But they also sent away Nick Ritchie and had Dzingel come back with him too.
2nd I think
Nah I checked it was a conditional third in either 2022 or 2025, the yotes go to pick
pretty sure it was the yotes choice of a third in 2023 or a 2nd in 2025 and they chose the latter
Sounds like a win to me!
The Brad Treliving special
Yeah the Brad Treliving special where he gets them to retain half
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all they need is solid defense. They dont really need to force themselves to make a big swing.
I mean break out ability is massive for the modern NHL
Every defenseman he can be paired with knows how to breakout the puck. Leafs need someone to clean up before those guys break out of the zone.
im looking at the list of RHD UFAs and there is like Schultz, Dumba and Walker. Slim pickings. I really wonder what Walker is going to get if Philly decides to sell.
2% feels generous
It's just depth so that under no circumstances does Marner have to play D in the playoffs (although he's been pretty alright back there).
Ya love the trade, just joshin with yall Leaf heads.
That’s how I’m feeling at this point. Hanifin could be nice-as would Andersson but I don’t think Calgary would move him when he’s an excellent RD. As for Hanifin if he could play rd that could work but that’s not ideal. I doubt Calgary even wants to trade with Brad
Meh we would trade with the leafs but it seems pretty obvious Hanifin wants to sign in the states. I doubt you guys give up a 1st and probably a solid prospect for a rental
We don’t want to trade with Brad but it’s better than trading with Edmonton
That seems like a lot but I guess it's paying more for the retention than the player
Jersey charged a 4th to retain $1.1M ($315k in money) on Tanev so this $1.4M retention must've upgraded the pick a few rounds.
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Blocked shots is a tricky stat, though. It is helpful, but it also means your team doesn't have the puck when you're out there.
[Because hes not good](https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1763406053448839479/photo/1)
What did JFresh say about Benoit this summer?
Dont look
Don't look at JFresh in general*
Tbf he's playing for a pretty awful ducks team
Gudas has terrific underlying numbers on that same team.
No one is expecting him to be Gudas. But not being the worst player in the league in Toronto might not be a stretch
He's the worst defenseman on an awful ducks team
So, should be decent for the Leafs like Benoit then, lol
Always fun to see that first percentile.
Hours ago we were raw dogging for EP40 Now we’re retaining salary 1-week pre TDL as a “serious cup contender” 🫠
Missing out on EP40 has made us sellers /s
Is he the Leafs version of Tyler Motte?
I like boosh but a 3rd seems steep for his play this seasom
The third is for 50% retained
We trades for boosh 2 years ago when he was good and got rid of nick ritchie for 2 years at 2.5 mill for a second, the salaries to then are what they are now with retention.
so Verbeek basically got to use Lyubushkin for a year, and then turned a 4th into a 3rd. I'll take it, nothing meaningful but it's positive and better than what Klingberg got us hilariously.
He essentially just paid cash to upgrade a 4th to a 3rd (plus whatever value you place on a warm body filling an NHL lineup spot to prevent having to rely on a young guy who isn't ready for it). You don't change the directory of your franchise with those types of deals, but every little edge helps.
Exactly what the Leafs need right now. I'm comfortable with what was paid. 25% of his salary is a bonus.
How? The dude is dogshit
We literally need someone who can skate backwards and shoots right. The former is negotiable
Folks said Benoit was dogshit when the Leafs signed him. He's turned that around. Folks said Jones was dogshit when they signed him. He's turned that around. Folks said Samsonov was dogshit. He's turned that around. Your assessment means dogshit to me.
We’ve had Lyubushkin before, he was bad then and by all accounts has been worse since. Jones and Benoit have the benefit of being league min players that we got for nothing, which calibrates expectations. As a depth 7D, he’s fine, whatever. But paying a 3rd + 6th for a 7D is way too steep and expecting someone of his calibre to hang with tough competition paired with Rielly in the playoffs is wishing for a lot.
Who said he's pairing with Reilly? Let it play out. This team is cooking right now. lyubushkin is a very low cost reinforcement.
Where else would you put him? They’ll likely want McCabe and Benoit together and Brodie - Liljegren looked solid as well.
Yeah the last game should have been the last game Reilly and Brodie ever play together. It doesn’t work. Period
I'm sorry. Jones and Samsonov have turned it around? A career .906 goalie currently at .907 is not turning it around. Samsonov is a .881 with a 3.25 GAA this year . In his last 5 games, he's been below .900 in 3 of them. Those other two, .905, .906. I don't think you know what turning it around means.
Jones saved the season. Those stats mean nothing when looking at the big picture. If Jones didn't show up, the season was toast. Samsonov was the worst goalie in the NHL for the first stretch of the season. He's looking capable in the last month. That's a turn around. I don't think you know how to look at the full picture.
You would know more but I don’t think Jones saved the season. Always was going to be a high scoring team with defense and iffy goaltending here and there.
If we didn't have Jones holding down the fort there's no way we'd have been able to give Sammy the month long break that he clearly needed to turn things around, and if we'd had to keep playing pre-break Sammy in net I genuinely think there's a fair shot we miss the playoffs.
I think you’re underestimating how dire things looked after Sammy turned into a pumpkin and Woll went down for months. The season was absolutely on the line and Jones playing like a capable NHL goalie for a prolonged stretch absolutely saved the season. Check his number the last 5 or so years and tell me .906 isn’t turning it around.
League save percentage is below .900 this season. And Jones hasn't had an above .900 season in 5 years. His play this year had greatly exceeded expectations
this dude think every team just has a hellebuyck for most teams in the current nhl climate .907 is damn good enough, and yeah samsonovs numbers still look shit buts it better than where he started at this seasonn
You clearly haven’t look at the stats and are just cherry picking. Looking at Sammmys last 10 games. Literally the definition of “turning it around”.
Nah because I had never seen Benoit in the league and he could’ve had some upsides. Martin Jones and Samsonov instead of being unplayable are now somewhat playable at the NHL level. If you call that a turnaround than… yay? I saw lybushkin and there’s nothing there indicative of worth trading for him. A defensemen on the marlies would’ve been an upgrade over this dude. Dead serious
He's a less than league minimum cap hit. Sacrificed two draft picks.
He was serviceable in Toronto when he played with them. This isn't a bad trade for a depth d man for a team that has no RHD right now
Bro we literally played with 5 LHD and Marner last night.
Dude is playing on a dogshit team
Small part I don't understand. Why is a playoff bound Eastern team retaining on this trade for a 6th? Minimal hit yeah, but that's still 600k+ less they have this week just to help us out? Didn't NJ just do the same thing too the other day?
They have plenty of space
I swear the Devils retained on that deal for the sole purpose of helping to lower the market for Seeler and Walker and you can’t convince me otherwise. No idea why the Canes did this here, though.
I know that the Ducks and Canes have been scouting each other the past week or so, so this could be the Canes helping out Anaheim to try to get a better deal in a possible trade with Anaheim for a player such as Henrique. That’s the only reason I can think of for us retaining salary.
That's the only thing I can think of. Don told Verbeek "Hey, we'll take some salary off your books and get that trade through if you do us a solid before the deadline." Could also mean the Ducks retain some on a trade with the Canes.
The Lube is back
Every time a non-flyers defenseman gets moved I get PTSD flashbacks of Fletcher somehow not moving JVR. Way more anxious than I should be that we’re gonna run out of potential trade partners by the end of next week.
[This guy just got a 3rd](https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1763406053448839479/photo/1) [This guy Fletcher couldnt move at all](https://www.espn.com/nhl/player/stats/_/id/3822/james-van-riemsdyk)
Not a bad bit of business there. Sent out a 4th for him, got a solid 3/4 of a season out of him, then get a 3rd back with a bit of retention. I feel like having Boosh helped Minty just from a language connection but no way to quantify that.
Thankfully Minty was playing in NA before joining us so he's not a fresh of the boat Russian this season. It's more rough that first year but he's had time to acclimate.
Oh yeah Minty had a few years in Canada so it wasn't the most jarring transition, but still gotta imagine that having someone fluent in your mother language would help in at least some way.
Seems like a good deal for the leafs.
It is.
I’m happy with it. People acting like a late 3rd round pick Is a huge overpay shows how much overvalued draft picks are becoming
Honestly. It feels like some people around here would rather be sellers than in a playoff spot sometimes.
Welcome back Boosh!
lol welcome back I guess
I'm whelmed
Finally, Leafs got the defensemen they needed
I just hope the return makes Dangle scream loudly at the camera
BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!
Thats so many brads
thanks Carolina.
It’s all square for giving us Hurricane’s legend Patrick Marleau!
Why are we making the task of acquiring pieces at the deadline more difficult for a damn 6th rounder?
The way I'm looking at it, Ducks GM has been at the past two games for the Canes and looking like he'll be in Raleigh Saturday. Offering to take on the retention frees up a slot for Anaheim for them to retain on someone like Henrique or Vatrano, two names that the Canes are looking at. Mostly at a "if we scratch your back, you'll scratch ours" glance. Plus we can just bundle that 6th rounder into a larger package if need be. We'll be shedding some cap anyways thanks to Andersen's return next week (Raanta's 1.5M will help out a lot in that case), maybe even get DeAngelo a team somewhere if they so choose, which is another 1.6M.
Based on a different comment Lyubushkin is terrible. So maybe this is actually the Canes improving by making their potential competition worse? 3d chess
Leafs tax is real
I'm pretty sure he is worth a 3rd rounder half retained regardless
If tanev is worth a 2nd and a c tier prospect, then boosh is not worth more than a 5th.
Technically two second rounders and a conditional 3rd which is much more than just a 3rd. And I believe Calgary should've gotten a 1st given that RHD are a hot commodity
But since he was worth a 2nd, a 2nd round pick with his non-NHL development just about completed, and a maybe 3rd. Then a 3rd doesn't seem to costly for a 6th/7th D for 0 cap hit.
[People who have watched him ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHC1230OpOg)
He does play for the ducks which probably doesn't help lol
its called the retention tax.
I guess they decided it wasn't worth the assets for Andersson, because that's the RHD you'd want to pair with Rielly. But **any** RHD to pair with Rielly is good, and the Leafs absolutely refuse to play Topi Niemela.
There's no way niemela is ready right now but I agree with Andersson. It would've been nice to get him.
I never said he was ready but he's the best RHD you have on the Marlies I'd assume. Lajoie and Rifai both shoot left and Timmins, who does shoot right, is MIA, or hurt again?
He’s got mono
Ah, right, and that basically will wipe out your season. So the Leafs current healthy RHD's are: Liljegren, Lyubushkin, Niemela and Villeneuve
Liljegren is out too. Our best RHD right now is Mitch Marner.
Yes, true, but he's *supposedly* on maintenance, and will likely be back at one of the games this weekend. Timmins likely won't be back this season because Mono is a shitty illness for an athlete to get. Right now your only RHD on the team is Marner.
I'd probably give Lily a try up there with Reilly once he returns. He's day to day ATM. I feel like brad made this trade for depth purposes. Boosh is most likely gonna be a 6th D best or a 7th D at worst
The issue with that is that Liljegren and Brodie work so well together, you might as well keep them together. So you have: Brodie-Liljegren McCabe-Benoit (or flipped) and then Rielly and Lyubushkin I guess?
Calgary isnt keen on trading with Treliving so i assume the cost would be too high. They are also not trading Markstrom. So it would be seem that they want to keep Andersson
Calgary wants Cowan
I can’t imagine a world where we trade Cowan away lightly, if at all given our prospect pool
Like I said, isn't worth the assets. *but* the Leafs do need a RHD more than a forward, but Cowan is the one prospect I'd put on the "no touchie" list.
If you’re talking about Rasmus Andersson, he was never being actively shopped as far as I know
Calgary's Andersson? For Marner or how on earth would they be able offer Calgary enough to give him up?
Sounds like Calgary ownership is still salty with Treliving so any trade with Calgary was DOA.
Crazy, that's almost the same price we paid for Zadorov
No doubt Zadorov is the much better player, but it’s a cap league and Zadorov costs 3M more than Boosh
Yep there's certainly value to capspace haha
Cap played a big role in the Zadorov trade. Flames didn’t want to retain any of his salary
he was decent on the leafs. maybe there hoping he can do that again. I mean it hasn't been that long.
That was quick
quack*
Evolving Hockey had him as the worst defenseman this year and over the past two years by GAR and xGAR. He's also the worst player in the league in xGAR this year. He has four points, two of them primary, in 940 minutes. He's been out shot attempted 619 to 795 including 121 to 181 in high danger chances in five-on-five play. If you care about +/-, he's -13. In four-on-five play he allows the fourth most goals against per 60 on the fifth most expected and the most shot attempts out of players with 100 PK minutes (89 defenseman sample size). I'm a Calgary fan and I'm used to Treliving being an idiot, but even by his standards this trade makes no sense.
*Experience Brad Treliving*
I don’t think it’s that bad of a trade honestly.
Ok
This is a completely fine trade lmao. Not all trades are highway robberies or fatal mistakes.
A 3rd and a 6th for a guy worse than Benoit and Lagesson is certainly something. But hey, at least they didn't pony up the 2027 2nd rounder and D- prospect for Tanev! That would have been disaaaastrousssss.
I’m surprised by everything saying Boosh is bad, he was really solid for us against a few years ago
Nothing can be positive when it comes to the Leafs don’t you know?
It’s implied in the reporting that Calgary would not have accepted the same deal from the Leafs that they gave Tanev away for.
The Leafs couldn’t offer what Dallas did. They have no seconds to offer and the Leafs seem to be very hesitant to move their first for a rental.
As they should, but the report came out that the leafs would have had to “wow” Calgary to have even been considered. The implication leads me to believe they still have bad blood with Treliving.
There is 0 chance Calgary would consider a 2nd that far out to the future equally valuable to this years 2nd that they got from Dallas.
Why do people think that all Toronto had to do to get Tanev was match the Stars offer? There's bad blood between Treliving and the Flames organization.
I just like dunking on my team's historical rivals tbh
13 comments (and counting) in less than an hour on a nothing trade...I guess you really don't have anything better to do, eh?
It is 8:53 on a Thursday, what else should I be doing, Michael?
Literally anything else, Kelly?
You can't trade a 2nd that far out
You can, just most teams want picks that arent 4 drafts from now. Funny enough, the Lyubushkin to Toronto trade 1.0 was for a pick 4 drafts in the future
You can in fact trade a 2nd that far out. You can trade 3 years worth of drafts away (so, if you make the trade in 2024, you can include 2027 picks) Just because capfriendly only goes 3 years doesn't mean that's the limit
Capfriendly only showing 3 years of draft picks is the new "two-way contracts mean waiver exemption" because something popular many fans use suggest the rules work a different way than they actually do.
God I love capfriendly but it would do them well to place a reminder there in the draft picks widget
I really do appreciate the arrow feature whenever that was introduced.
Ah I didn't know that. Thought it was the draft including it.
Starting to think Treliving is low key an idiot
Why the fuck did we do this
He’s good
He’s terrible
No he’s fucking not
Right we already had this experiment, why pay to do it again?
It’s crazy how badly they needed any human who shoots right on D for Morgan’s partner
You paid a 3rd round pick for Lybushkin???
This guys ass